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I don’t think any of the servers we’re talkin about have the control over their pugs to make anyone tank, haha. I feel like the thread’s more of a fun thought exercise. Like this:

Is it better for us to have Devon Carter get stomped by silver league or to stomp through empty bronze league borderlands or will it turn out he just logs in at prime time in Eternal Battleground and assumes that everything is fine anyway?

bob.8632:

Remember, having just “some NA” while having decent oceanic/EU wins lower tier matches. Because some lower tiers have low pop at NA, but none have any oceanic coverage to speak of. Not sure what you guys lost in that department.

I may be wrong but I do not think you will drop to bronze, because many of the servers in bronze had already prepared for lower-silvers to attempt a “tanking”. The bronze league is already imbalanced enough from the top-bottom in comparison, the last thing we need is more of it. Hopefully after the leagues stuff you population lines out and you guys end up at the tier/level you should really be.

For the sake of the future of my server I hope that you’re wrong, but I know it’s entirely probable. Really whether we get there or not depends on the RNG the next 2 weeks moreso than anyone tanking anything, which is kittenty, but that’s life.

Heh, watch him manually select his opponents for the next two weeks, so that NSP doesn’t move (that much)…

Bronze league is the most balanced of all leagues by far.

two weeks ago we faced the bottom 2 servers in the league with this score
237 098
221 261
183 993

this week we are facing the top 2 servers in the league with this score
127 052
154 705
129 104

Unless a large group of players stack a bronze server there will be no major blowouts. That doesn’t mean we won’t know who’s going to win most matches within the first 24 hours.

Solstice.1097:

Bronze league is the most balanced of all leagues by far.

two weeks ago we faced the bottom 2 servers in the league with this score
237 098
221 261
183 993

this week we are facing the top 2 servers in the league with this score
127 052
154 705
129 104

Unless a large group of players stack a bronze server there will be no major blowouts. That doesn’t mean we won’t know who’s going to win most matches within the first 24 hours.

Sure, though GoM vs. NSP was 150k vs. 270k it still isn’t as bad as what they have in the higher tiers but matches down here are getting really weird though. Even durin prime time, outside of EB it’s more like a ghost town.

Our borderland is 100% paper 100% of the time. Only reason Sorrow’s Furnace isn’t gettin more points is ‘cause after they flip it they don’t stay and guard it so we still end up holding it most of the time. GoM borderland is just PvD even during GoM prime time.

styx.7294:

Solstice.1097:

Bronze league is the most balanced of all leagues by far.

two weeks ago we faced the bottom 2 servers in the league with this score
237 098
221 261
183 993

this week we are facing the top 2 servers in the league with this score
127 052
154 705
129 104

Unless a large group of players stack a bronze server there will be no major blowouts. That doesn’t mean we won’t know who’s going to win most matches within the first 24 hours.

Sure, though GoM vs. NSP was 150k vs. 270k it still isn’t as bad as what they have in the higher tiers but matches down here are getting really weird though. Even durin prime time, outside of EB it’s more like a ghost town.

Our borderland is 100% paper 100% of the time. Only reason Sorrow’s Furnace isn’t gettin more points is ‘cause after they flip it they don’t stay and guard it so we still end up holding it most of the time. GoM borderland is just PvD even during GoM prime time.

yea well you guys lost #s and that sort of things happens until you reach your “bottom” but it’s only temporary. AR and DR did the same thing they dropped to last place then started picking things back up.

Still, there is no server rank 16 or lower that has less than 100k points right now, and none that have 200k points either.

In the top 15, 6 servers have less than 100k points and 4 servers have more than 200k.

styx.7294:

Only reason Sorrow’s Furnace isn’t gettin more points is ‘cause after they flip it they don’t stay and guard it so we still end up holding it most of the time.

^

bob.8632:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

bob.8632:

You might be surprised how many numbers you would “magically” have should you fall into the bronze league….BTW what guilds did you lose? [CNB] was a fairly large guild, but a couple of the others I saw claiming to want to leave were not that big numbers wise(coming from someone who faced them in WvW).

You’d have a field day with the bags is what would happen. We are mostly a PvE server now, so when we get fairweathers I sincerely doubt they’d hinder organized enemy pushes much if at all. Do you get more than 5 people in server comms during prime? Congrats, you’re more organized than us on the average day.

We lost CnB and Rx to SoS, they are organized 10-15 raiding guilds and mostly all we had in that department. We also lost 4 or so more smaller guilds to various gold league servers. Not big, no, but it adds up, you know that down in these lower tiers. We’re right now inundated with a bunch of randoms that haven’t learned how to work together yet; we need the bronze league to sort that out. I think the biggest consequence of leagues is that it pits low tier servers against each other in another, uglier way. No one wants to die and burn out at the bottom of their league. Except Maguuma, who is immortal.

Remember, having just “some NA” while having decent oceanic/EU wins lower tier matches. Because some lower tiers have low pop at NA, but none have any oceanic coverage to speak of. Not sure what you guys lost in that department.

I may be wrong but I do not think you will drop to bronze, because many of the servers in bronze had already prepared for lower-silvers to attempt a “tanking”. The bronze league is already imbalanced enough from the top-bottom in comparison, the last thing we need is more of it. Hopefully after the leagues stuff you population lines out and you guys end up at the tier/level you should really be.

And you are wrong.

back on track.

NSP is not facing people lower in ranking then they did last week.. and NSP is doing nothing in points.

Either a bunch jumped ship like what happened with kaineng… or they are tanking to stay out of the silver league now.

Ostra.3927:

back on track.

NSP is not facing people lower in ranking then they did last week.. and NSP is doing nothing in points.

Either a bunch jumped ship like what happened with kaineng… or they are tanking to stay out of the silver league now.

or maybe theyre just par for the course.

Ostra.3927:

back on track.

NSP is not facing people lower in ranking then they did last week.. and NSP is doing nothing in points.

Either a bunch jumped ship like what happened with kaineng… or they are tanking to stay out of the silver league now.

I don’t think Northern Shiverpeaks is tanking on purpose and I am not aware of any changes in their population. Their population was just never in the ranks of Yak’s Bend (which Gate of Madness lost to back when Gate of Madness had a fair bit more than Shiverpeaks) and Ehmry Bay.

They’ve got a dedicated and good crew but it’s been the same crew for a while. I think Northern Shiverpeaks’ rating is pretty accurate and mostly it’s servers around it having population swings.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

I do find it hilarious Devon announced he would play on NSP as if it would be some hard fought battle during two league play then shortly after announces that there will be 3 leagues and NSP would be atop the third league. I would love it if they ended up in the bottom of silver league just so he could see the state of WvW for probably half the servers with these random match ups and soon to be league play.

FC we might have had our forum war last match up but for the good of everyone tank the match for the good of all.

I concur, instead of joining the top of the tier, go get the shovel-to-the-face experience that 80% of the WvW players are about to get: Join Devonas Reach or Anvil Rock – I guarantee that WvW would be a better place afterwards. Consider it a lessons learned exercise

Only 23 rating points separate Kaineng and NSP. Considering, over the weekend, 3 more guilds have decided to transfer off Kaineng should continue to drop. It will be interesting to see how NSP plays over the next 10 days.

bob.8632:

So tired of the “Kaineng” dropping talk…Stop trying to tank to get in the bronze league…

ORLLY? you lost guilds?
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/45/105

2 weeks ago you rolled SF by nearly 150k, and SF would be near the top “tier” of the bronze league.

Even with your “guild losses” the matches would still be greatly in your favor. There will be more players playing when league starts for you than currently is whilst getting steamrolled by SBI. That is just the nature of the fairweather.

NSP you need to make sure you stay in the first slot of the bronze league, while many believe Kain/YB are outnumbered greatly by SBI, we do not believe you would be even remotely compatible with the bronze league population wise

The week we rolled SF was the week where we still had our wvw guilds. It’s funny how people think a server can stage ‘tanking’.

7 weeks of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. I think I just got wood.

Tank HARDER Kain, We only got one more match before the league starts. You’re only off by about 25pt from moving nsp up, make it happen

oh its going to happen. Last night kaineng had a memser inside garrison after it was taken.

Our main zerg of 25+ came to do an easy reclaim. We got to watergate… mesmer ready…. everyone HIT THE GATE! mesmer port down…. everyone HIT THE GATE! 5 of us teleported in… the rest… HIT THE GATE!

Seriously?? Yeah Kaineng is gonna push NSP into silver… no problem..

I do not see why anyone would want to go for rank 15 in silver league. The rating gap from rank 14-15 is big enough that you will lose every match-up against rank 14 in silver league. Any of the servers high than that will be worst.

thats the point Ulion. We want Devon Carver (Dev for WvW who said he will be playing on NSP and thinks servers that are outmanned should just try harder) to see what the population imbalances truly are like.

If NSP is at the top of bronze… he will claim its all fine as they win that match… in theory MAYBE we can get some changes done if he is force to for 7 weeks deal with every match a complete steamroll.

Ulion.5476:

I do not see why anyone would want to go for rank 15 in silver league. The rating gap from rank 14-15 is big enough that you will lose every match-up against rank 14 in silver league. Any of the servers high than that will be worst.

Only reason I want to is my guild and I love to get in big open field fights. The better the challenge the more fun we have. 30-40 Os vs 50-60 (insertguildhere) forces us to push our own skills to the limit.

Lots of people wanna “punish” Devon, and I get that…But this will be at the expense of NSP, 7 weeks of getting zerged by silver-leaguers will likely do more damage to that server than to Mr. Carver.

At the end Devon might learn something from it, but that server could be in bad shape, and Devon won’t be there anymore but the NSP player base will have to deal with the repercussions.

In the end it likely will come down to next week’s match-up…It was a great thing to realign the leagues, it was an equally terrible idea to not “lock-in” the matches at that announcement; instead giving servers/people 3 weeks to transfer/tank/etc to manipulate whatever legitimacy this “league” nonsense was going to have in the first place.

Seriously you spend all these months with randomized matchups gathering data, and in 1-months time it will literally be 50% garbage because the players are moving server to server and manipulating it all…..

Plains of Ashes.5941:

I concur, instead of joining the top of the tier, go get the shovel-to-the-face experience that 80% of the WvW players are about to get: Join Devonas Reach or Anvil Rock – I guarantee that WvW would be a better place afterwards. Consider it a lessons learned exercise

assuming Devon truly plays on NSP, he’s experienced plenty of shovel-to-the-face as you call it.

we’ve had tons of throwaway matches where we can’t compete. DR/AR don’t have it any worse than we’ve had it.

We all know it’s a F2P game and obviously they want to create situations where a lot of people pay gems to transfer.

I don’t see why we’re surprised 1/2 the time. Although in most cases there are ways they could sell transfers while balancing population instead of the opposite.

In the last week and a half of opening http://northernshiverpeaks.org/ we’ve had quite the influx of people from the original 12. Both good and negative feedback, a twitter bump from ANet and a pretty good amount of teamspeak organization, but we need more. The site is dedicating itself to the community, to provide tools that the big boys use and a focus on organization in and outside of the game. Help us realize the goal of getting NSP back on track, getting more people to work together, fostering the smaller guilds and get people playing with the guilds they want to play with. Everyone on NSP is welcome, we feature regular newsletter updates, drawings for participating members and a hopefully fun community NSP can be proud of. It’s time for a change. I’m not a big WvW guy, but i’d love to see the players of NSP reach their WvW goals!

Now you’re going the opposite way Kaineng. You need to lose more points, not less…

We may well see silver on my server, trying to imagine what it would be like for my old server (NSP) to face my current server (Maguuma) I cant say other than for the roamers it would be anything but miserable for NSP… Maguuma, Fort Aspenwood or SBI would be an utter and complete blowout against NSP, Devon would ragequit within 10 minutes.

skullmount.1758:

Now you’re going the opposite way Kaineng. You need to lose more points, not less…

We have a couple guilds on kaineng in the NA/oceanic timeslot that said they are transferring off kaineng, but they are still pushing PPT, so our points are higher than they should be.

Kaineng should probably take one for the GW2 WvW community and let Mr. Arrowcarter lead NSP to glory in the silver league. He will the Moses that parted the Sea, except that the NSP zerg will part away from him when meeting enemy zerg to let them steamroll him. This will be the best practical experience for a WvW dev to experience and not dismiss the forum feedback as the minority.

Draygo.9473:

bob.8632:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

bob.8632:

You might be surprised how many numbers you would “magically” have should you fall into the bronze league….BTW what guilds did you lose? [CNB] was a fairly large guild, but a couple of the others I saw claiming to want to leave were not that big numbers wise(coming from someone who faced them in WvW).

You’d have a field day with the bags is what would happen. We are mostly a PvE server now, so when we get fairweathers I sincerely doubt they’d hinder organized enemy pushes much if at all. Do you get more than 5 people in server comms during prime? Congrats, you’re more organized than us on the average day.

We lost CnB and Rx to SoS, they are organized 10-15 raiding guilds and mostly all we had in that department. We also lost 4 or so more smaller guilds to various gold league servers. Not big, no, but it adds up, you know that down in these lower tiers. We’re right now inundated with a bunch of randoms that haven’t learned how to work together yet; we need the bronze league to sort that out. I think the biggest consequence of leagues is that it pits low tier servers against each other in another, uglier way. No one wants to die and burn out at the bottom of their league. Except Maguuma, who is immortal.

Remember, having just “some NA” while having decent oceanic/EU wins lower tier matches. Because some lower tiers have low pop at NA, but none have any oceanic coverage to speak of. Not sure what you guys lost in that department.

I may be wrong but I do not think you will drop to bronze, because many of the servers in bronze had already prepared for lower-silvers to attempt a “tanking”. The bronze league is already imbalanced enough from the top-bottom in comparison, the last thing we need is more of it. Hopefully after the leagues stuff you population lines out and you guys end up at the tier/level you should really be.

And you are wrong.

Kaineng has caused more issues with matchups, tiers, etc than any other server in this game’s short history due to your systematic rise and falls. (Afterall wasn’t it Kain that created that T8 nightmare that left SF/ET/FC stuck there for so long?) So with that in mind, I can only hope that you guys get a ROFL-stomp match next week that blocks your fall, and you are forced to live with “what you get” instead of constantly being able to manipulate the system (on purpose or not).

King Amadaeus.8619:

Lots of people wanna “punish” Devon, and I get that…But this will be at the expense of NSP, 7 weeks of getting zerged by silver-leaguers will likely do more damage to that server than to Mr. Carver.

At the end Devon might learn something from it, but that server could be in bad shape, and Devon won’t be there anymore but the NSP player base will have to deal with the repercussions.

In the end it likely will come down to next week’s match-up…It was a great thing to realign the leagues, it was an equally terrible idea to not “lock-in” the matches at that announcement; instead giving servers/people 3 weeks to transfer/tank/etc to manipulate whatever legitimacy this “league” nonsense was going to have in the first place.

Seriously you spend all these months with randomized matchups gathering data, and in 1-months time it will literally be 50% garbage because the players are moving server to server and manipulating it all…..

You cant do damage to NSP.. We have been beaten and battered time and again, nothing ever changes, people don’t transfer in or out here for the most part. The people on this server are dedicated and like the tough fights. Most don’t even care if we win or lose just if we have fun fights… In fact I hear much more complaining when we get an easy match because it is boring.. The truth is, steamrolling Bronze is what could actually damage the server.

dank.3680:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Lots of people wanna “punish” Devon, and I get that…But this will be at the expense of NSP, 7 weeks of getting zerged by silver-leaguers will likely do more damage to that server than to Mr. Carver.

At the end Devon might learn something from it, but that server could be in bad shape, and Devon won’t be there anymore but the NSP player base will have to deal with the repercussions.

In the end it likely will come down to next week’s match-up…It was a great thing to realign the leagues, it was an equally terrible idea to not “lock-in” the matches at that announcement; instead giving servers/people 3 weeks to transfer/tank/etc to manipulate whatever legitimacy this “league” nonsense was going to have in the first place.

Seriously you spend all these months with randomized matchups gathering data, and in 1-months time it will literally be 50% garbage because the players are moving server to server and manipulating it all…..

You cant do damage to NSP.. We have been beaten and battered time and again, nothing ever changes, people don’t transfer in or out here for the most part. The people on this server are dedicated and like the tough fights. Most don’t even care if we win or lose just if we have fun fights… In fact I hear much more complaining when we get an easy match because it is boring.. The truth is, steamrolling Bronze is what could actually damage the server.

We shall see.

NSP getting stuck in Silver for 8 weeks would be a disaster imo. I would disagree with Dank on the notion that NSP WvW population can’t be damaged further. It has lost a good number of its WvW playerbase over time and from what I’ve seen we have not come anywhere close to replacing those lost. It’s one thing to endure through a week or two, perhaps even three, of bad matches but to know you will be facing 8 weeks of being utterly outmanned is too much.

I agree with you on the notion that most just want a good fight on NSP but those won’t be found that often in Silver League. I’d argue our population isn’t that great even for bronze league but it isn’t anywhere close to being in the same realm as what Silver League servers have. Our numbers will simply be too few not to mention the terrible coverage gaps we will have. We’ve been screwed over by Kaening before during their march up from T8 and I certainly don’t want to see them get away with it again as they try their best to tank these last few matches. I love NSP, WvW is all I do and I do it everyday, no way I’m going to waste 8 weeks playing in Silver though….not with our numbers.

Blackjack.2083:

We’ve been screwed over by Kaening before during their march up from T8 and I certainly don’t want to see them get away with it again as they try their best to tank these last few matches.

you realize you are wanting revenge on people that bandwagoned off back in april for rolling you over back in, like, january by hoping we stay in silver league after losing enough people over the last month to only be adequate for upper-mid bronze league at best? you realize this right? that tanking is not a purposeful thing that is happening on kaineng?

I’m not sure how not wanting to see keening drop below us is “wanting revenge”.

Ok, you don’t want us to “screw you again” by being in bronze. We aren’t screwing anyone again, unless you think merely by existing as we are as a server we are screwing you. I don’t blame you for not wanting to be bottom silver. We are resettling where we should be. You guys rather definitively beat GoM at the beginning of September. We are struggling to catch up to them. Given that something drastic didn’t happen between then and now on your end like it did ours, you should be ranked higher than us.

dank.3680:

You cant do damage to NSP.. We have been beaten and battered time and again, nothing ever changes, people don’t transfer in or out here for the most part. The people on this server are dedicated and like the tough fights.

Loath as I am to agree with dank, he’s more or less correct.. we haven’t had guild size movement on/off since Meow left like.. 8 months ago?

sadly, that doesn’t include drops in activity from players still on the server… which has dropped over the last month after getting roflstomped by SBI and CD (and a fair amount of general burnout and seasonal shifts in game time).

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

Given that something drastic didn’t happen between then and now on your end like it did ours, you should be ranked higher than us.

Our own current rank score is immensely inflated from recent matches against servers 7+ ranks above us.. we “gained” score even when losing matches by gaps of over 250k points.

Everyone is making the assumption that Devon Carver actually plays this game. Until he or his team makes a logical fix to ANYTHING in WvW it won’t matter what server he claims to be on as he doesn’t play anyway.

That being said, I wouldn’t mind another round with NSP, their small man play is excellent and as a server they always bring good fights.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Our own current rank score is immensely inflated from recent matches against servers 7+ ranks above us.. we “gained” score even when losing matches by gaps of over 250k points.

No no, I mean in terms of coverage, numbers, whatever. I’m saying as you beat GoM 6 weeks ago and assuming neither NSP nor GoM’s numbers haven’t fluctuated since then, you should be above us or win against us, as we are only catching up to them now.

Let’s hope we (NSP) get to fight Kaineng next week. If we’re gonna get bumped up to Silver league, it’d be nice to at least have the pleasure of being the ones who push Kaineng down to Bronze.

By the way, has anyone even seen Devon online recently? Or does he not play when we’re in a bad matchup?

Lord Kuru.3685:

Let’s hope we (NSP) get to fight Kaineng next week. If we’re gonna get bumped up to Silver league, it’d be nice to at least have the pleasure of being the ones who push Kaineng down to Bronze.

This, I can get behind. NSP still roam-y?

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

I’m saying as you beat GoM 6 weeks ago and assuming neither NSP nor GoM’s numbers haven’t fluctuated since then, you should be above us or win against us, as we are only catching up to them now.

I really don’t understand why you’d be using GoM as the yardstick to compare our servers… we both outrank them by a lot and we both trounced them thoroughly the last time either of us fought them.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

I’m saying as you beat GoM 6 weeks ago and assuming neither NSP nor GoM’s numbers haven’t fluctuated since then, you should be above us or win against us, as we are only catching up to them now.

I really don’t understand why you’d be using GoM as the yardstick to compare our servers… we both outrank them by a lot and we both trounced them thoroughly the last time either of us fought them.

lol you’re right. i am getting hod and gom mixed up. i have my entire gw2 existence. i’m at work and distracted do excuse my dumb. but you did also beat hod back in august by a lot so my original idea is still that because we aren’t beating them this week by any useful margin and you guys did, that nsp would beat kn.

NSP doesn’t seem to be throwing the match, at least.

They’ve actually got a pretty significant number presence, especially in the evening. Hell, NSP has curb stomped YB several times that I’ve seen when YB was running their large zergs.

Anyway, if NSP stays in the bronze league, I can imagine it will suck really, really hard for the rest of the people there. NSP actually has the numbers to compete in silver league, and they will most likely receive a massive influx or transfers Oct 17th if it looks like they’re going to be at the top of the bronze bracket.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Let’s hope we (NSP) get to fight Kaineng next week. If we’re gonna get bumped up to Silver league, it’d be nice to at least have the pleasure of being the ones who push Kaineng down to Bronze.

By the way, has anyone even seen Devon online recently? Or does he not play when we’re in a bad matchup?

do we know his ign / toons? i never saw him myself but the only tell i wouldve had is the anet tag ive never ever seen in 1500+ hours of wvw

It’s funny how Kaineng has like 425ppt and has all the keeps +sm castle under their control. yet they cry because “they have lost so many people”. Also interesting is that at the start of this match up they were hardly able to complete… so i’d assume kaineng either magically pulled players out of the ground or maybe some guilds deliberately didn’t play as much in order to make them lose some points. BOOOO

Anyway if we’re going to go silver league there will be zero reasons for me to play. NSP has already shown to drastically decrease in activity when playing against way bigger servers like CD for example. As a european and staff ele i might just as well be a mob to the bigger servers. Quite frankly i don’t really fancy being a walking lootbag and i think a lot of PUG’s don’t fancy it either.

Ah well, we’ll see how it turns out.

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

I’m saying as you beat GoM 6 weeks ago and assuming neither NSP nor GoM’s numbers haven’t fluctuated since then, you should be above us or win against us, as we are only catching up to them now.

I really don’t understand why you’d be using GoM as the yardstick to compare our servers… we both outrank them by a lot and we both trounced them thoroughly the last time either of us fought them.

lol you’re right. i am getting hod and gom mixed up

We are a lot better looking than Henge of Denravi.

Lina.9640:

NSP doesn’t seem to be throwing the match, at least.

They’ve actually got a pretty significant number presence, especially in the evening. Hell, NSP has curb stomped YB several times that I’ve seen when YB was running their large zergs.

Anyway, if NSP stays in the bronze league, I can imagine it will suck really, really hard for the rest of the people there. NSP actually has the numbers to compete in silver league, and they will most likely receive a massive influx or transfers Oct 17th if it looks like they’re going to be at the top of the bronze bracket.

I don’t know of a single player that intends to transfer to NSP I don’t expect a single guild to tranfer in either. More likely a few individuals will transfer out so that they don’t get roflstomped. Only the hardcore WvW dedicated will remain once the season ends.

Lina.9640:

NSP doesn’t seem to be throwing the match, at least.

They’ve actually got a pretty significant number presence, especially in the evening. Hell, NSP has curb stomped YB several times that I’ve seen when YB was running their large zergs.

Anyway, if NSP stays in the bronze league, I can imagine it will suck really, really hard for the rest of the people there. NSP actually has the numbers to compete in silver league, and they will most likely receive a massive influx or transfers Oct 17th if it looks like they’re going to be at the top of the bronze bracket.

Our primetime crew is good sized, but our nightcrew is really really small. It’s lost a LOT of people recently because we’ve been fighting servers 6 ranks above us in 4 of the last 5 weeks.

Looks like we’re gonna be in Silver league — so the pretty much the only way to have fun outside of primetime for the next 7 weeks is roaming and “violating the game mode.”

Apologies in advance, to NSP for if Kaineng tanks like a rock and they get bumped into Silver league next week.

(Perhaps we can transfer en masse to NSP, after a certain someone gets rolled over for 7 weeks in a row, and understands just how unbalanced Silver/Bronze league can be.)

(We <3 you NSP, we really do. I know personally if it were my server and not yours, I’d be doing my best to rally my server into 15th place as well.)