Guild Wars 2

So if a small group party worked very hard to take a keep/tower, why punish them for not having the manpower to conduct a full sweep for hidden mesmers?

That to me is sad; my sympathy to them.

I believe no matter what size group or party you are, you deserve the right to be greatly rewarded for your great efforts and time.

Not to be beaten by a punishable cheap unfair alternative method.

Theftwind.8976:

The wife was on her Mesmer, me on my Guardian one day when the enemy took our NE tower. They did not sweep. Since we were short on manpower she ported me in and we took the tower as a duo. A little while later they again capped that tower and again they did not sweep so the two of us took it back again. The THIRD time after they failed to sweep we were laughing so hard we forgot about the RI on the tower Lord and failed in the attempt.

i find that very sad.

Burnfall.9573:

So if a small group party worked very hard to take a keep/tower, why punish them for not having the manpower to conduct a full sweep for hidden mesmers?

That to me is sad,

I believe no matter what size group and party you are, you deserve to be greatly awarded for your great efforts.

Not to be Punished by a a cheap unfair alternative method.

So as in my post above, we were the small group, the capping force about 15 to 20 strong. They HAD enough people to sweep but were too smug and arrogant to do so. A simple sweep of that tower would have taken one person, one minute to run. Why reward them for incompetence? If you have the manpower to take a tower or keep you have the manpower to sweep.

Yesterday, at that very same NE tower, we had just capped it and I decided to sweep for mesmers. I found one just on the ledge under the Lord’s room. She knocked me over the edge the first time and the second time I came around she had set a portal up and jumped out of the tower. Well I happened to be on my mesmer and fully understood what she was attempting so I waited there until she ported back up and then knocked her over the edge onto the swords of my waiting teammates.

Scratch one mesmer, tower secured, time taken maybe a couple of minutes.

Theftwind.8976:

Burnfall.9573:

So if a small group party worked very hard to take a keep/tower, why punish them for not having the manpower to conduct a full sweep for hidden mesmers?

That to me is sad,

I believe no matter what size group and party you are, you deserve to be greatly awarded for your great efforts.

Not to be Punished by a a cheap unfair alternative method.

So as in my post above, we were the small group, the capping force about 15 to 20 strong. They HAD enough people to sweep but were too smug and arrogant to do so. A simple sweep of that tower would have taken one person, one minute to run. Why reward them for incompetence? If you have the manpower to take a tower or keep you have the manpower to sweep.

i do agree with you but what i don’t agree with, any circumstances can happen right after a keep is taken. Of course it’s not an excuse to not to conduct a full sweep but how about if that fails, who’s fault is it than?

Is it their fault that a mesmer or mesmers can remain undetected for 15minutes to 4hours+?

Is it there fault if those same mesmers can extend their undetected durations with the help of a thief’s strealth?

is it their fault for leaving a dead mesmer/s body for minutes.. hours; only to return to see their keep taken from them?

Seriously,

where does the line draw where players are trying their best to sweep for mesmers and where mesmers are just hard to detect?

Burnfall.9573:

Theftwind.8976:

Burnfall.9573:

So if a small group party worked very hard to take a keep/tower, why punish them for not having the manpower to conduct a full sweep for hidden mesmers?

That to me is sad,

I believe no matter what size group and party you are, you deserve to be greatly awarded for your great efforts.

Not to be Punished by a a cheap unfair alternative method.

So as in my post above, we were the small group, the capping force about 15 to 20 strong. They HAD enough people to sweep but were too smug and arrogant to do so. A simple sweep of that tower would have taken one person, one minute to run. Why reward them for incompetence? If you have the manpower to take a tower or keep you have the manpower to sweep.

i do agree with you but what i don’t agree, any circumstances can happen right after a keep is taken. Of course it’s not an excuse to not to conduct a full sweep but how about if that fails, who’s fault is it than?

Is it their fault that a mesmer or mesmers can remain undetected for 15minutes to 4hours+?

Mesmers cannot perma stealth like a thief. It is just not possible even if you spec for it. As well the stealth mechanics for a mesmer have “tells” that are easy to spot, like that line of the ground for veil. Decoy grants 3 seconds of stealth with a 40 second CD, Veil gives 3 seconds with a 90 second CD, mass invis 6 and 90. There is no way they can remain undetected, it is just not possible even if the mesmer is specced for it as long as you know what to look for. Even if the mesmer chains Decoy, Veil and mass invis and times it perfectly it only adds up to 12 seconds of stealth, well below the 40 second CD of Decoy.

If a thief is with the mesmer you still have to look for the “tells”. The puff of smoke or the little house icon.

As I mentioned earlier if a mesmer is dead /emote by the body. Either /sit or/sleep. If your inactivity timer pops up and they have yet to recall screenshot and report that mesmer for using an exploit to extend their timeout timer.

Mesmers are not hard to detect. Know their hiding places and sweep.

Oh golly, new meta for WvW!

Yes this should totally be removed, wvw in its current state is very competitive.

Oh wait, you mean instead of taking your mass blob and skill lag to kill the gate, You just port right in. Quicker and easier for everyone, defenders wont waste time trying to fight a massive zerg and you guys get karma and wxp quicker.

We all know wxp means higher world rank.
Higher world rank must mean MAD SKILLED PLAYER.
Right?

Something to add..

Like for today, our server held Stonemist hostage for 3 hours by just porting.

By the time the other server were able to conduct a full sweep, we had nearly 30+ allies ready and waiting for them.

Beforehand, we didn’t have to do anything..just chain port mesmers after another from inside the keep, until it was 13 of us; we even ported dead players from the exterior as well.

I really felt bad for the other server because i can see they’re pain, frustrations and sadness in their face. They were running wild, and confused, by the flow of our players porting in.

No broken walls, no broken gates, no hacks, no bots, no effort, no hard work, just port away.

After almost 4 hours of unjust, unfair torment play, our commanders decided to give them a break, so i was glad.

(within few minutes, we were back again and took stonemist ), as i was told.

that’s all i have to say.

I don’t recall a single tower or keep capture in months where we didn’t say “Sweep for mesmers”. There may have been times where it was stated to not bother, we only wanted to break the keep, not hold it, but sweeping is just so… basic. WvW 101 stuff really.

Sogradde.8016:

Tongku.5326:

Nabrok.9023:

It’s not like there’s not an easy counter. Sweep and sentry and you should be fine.

Bay watergate among others …..

Do YOU want to be the one babysitting a dead mesmer corpse that stays there for many hours, as high as 6 hours straight ? Sweeps don’t exactly help with that.

You cant even go out of LOS of it, do you really wanna stay there entire time and spend half your weekend playtime doing nothing but that ?

Dead people time out after 10 minutes max. Your point is invalid.

As I understood it, you take on and off your gear and it resets that timer.

Reverence.6915:

Burnfall.9573:

Reverence.6915:

Wait, your server doesn’t sweep for mesmers?

Huh…

why should we, we have our own in hiding

So you’re saying you just flip structures between servers like a karma train? No defense at all?

Welcome to WvW, flip castle and towers all the time and every one wins.
And yes WvW is just a huge karma train.

VOLKON.1290:

I don’t recall a single tower or keep capture in months where we didn’t say “Sweep for mesmers”. There may have been times where it was stated to not bother, we only wanted to break the keep, not hold it, but sweeping is just so… basic. WvW 101 stuff really.

Basically lame.

I am so tired of hearing “Sweep for mesmers”. I have a gut wrenching reaction every time we take a tower or keep. It is really unpleasant.

dude you called this “cheating” and got put in your place so now you’re making up stories about it being overly abused to try to get attention to the topic?

why have you still not stated what server you are on. I’d like to see someone confirm what you’re saying because I flat out do not believe a word you’re saying.

Johje Holan.4607:

Basically lame.

I am so tired of hearing “Sweep for mesmers”. I have a gut wrenching reaction every time we take a tower or keep. It is really unpleasant.

Sweeping for mesmers is incredibly easy. The most annoying place is SM because of those ledges, but even Hills only takes a couple of minutes to perfectly sweep and Bay, due to the water is even faster. And if you fail at sweeping a tower, you are terrible and deserve to lose it.

What annoys me is that few players know how to do it, so if you don’t want to lose the keep/tower, you have sweep everything :/.

RedStar.4218:

Johje Holan.4607:

Basically lame.

I am so tired of hearing “Sweep for mesmers”. I have a gut wrenching reaction every time we take a tower or keep. It is really unpleasant.

Sweeping for mesmers is incredibly easy. The most annoying place is SM because of those ledges, but even Hills only takes a couple of minutes to perfectly sweep and Bay, due to the water is even faster. And if you fail at sweeping a tower, you are terrible and deserve to lose it.

What annoys me is that few players know how to do it, so if you don’t want to lose the keep/tower, you have sweep everything :/.

I never said it was hard. I said it was lame and unpleasant and turns my stomach. Its also stupid, annoying, boring, tedious, nausiating, etc… and it makes my ears hurt when I hear “Sweep for mesmers” in TS and my eyes burn when I read “Sweep for mesmers” in chat.