Guild Wars 2

Nobody wants to come out and play on it so if you are red it’s going to be a long losing week.

I don’t know who voted for this but it was a really bad idea.

My server have DBL as our home BL and we still get queued while we have no one on alpine.

Carry on…

This was a majority vote to have and keep BOTH maps still in play. I prefer DBL and don’t like Alpine as much, I still played on it thou.
So who voted for it? A majority of the GW2 WvW population.

Look everyone who gets red wins because no one will go there play that pvdoor map, maby the pvdoor servers can manage but just look at all tiers and see who has the home bl uncontested.
Rip GW2 im going to Legion until you fix this and you better do it asap, people are leaving…

majority who wanted DBL are probably still playing EBG lol.

Oh man, let it go. There was a vote, people went for both maps (probably in recognition that it gave everybody the opportunity to play the maps they like).

If nothing else, at least Anet can collect data on map popularity to compare with how people voted. Think of it like an old school taste test for wvw.

PyrateSilly.4710:

This was a majority vote to have and keep BOTH maps still in play. I prefer DBL and don’t like Alpine as much, I still played on it thou.
So who voted for it? A majority of the GW2 WvW population.

And not just a simple majority but over 75%.

Well i can tell you population on wvw will drop more than 75% after 2 weeks, i know things

I know a lot of people and none of them voted for DBL
75% voted for DBL but i dont know anyone who voted for it.
Illuminati Anet confirmed?

Why so many people are leaving already, didnt 75% voted for DBL?
At least we got Legion until they fix this

I voted for it and have played on it regularly since lastw eek.

As did I. In fact dbl was queued the other day .
and quite active

I voted yes.
When the Blobs are blobbing, I go DBL!
It’s a great map for havoc and roaming.

Choppy.4183:

Oh man, let it go. There was a vote, people went for both maps (probably in recognition that it gave everybody the opportunity to play the maps they like).

If nothing else, at least Anet can collect data on map popularity to compare with how people voted. Think of it like an old school taste test for wvw.

Yeah, we have 2 maps… I don’t know why people keep bickering about DBL… “But muh home BL”. Oh go take your enemies one in ABL if you don’t like DBL. Camps/Towers/Keeps worth the same in any map.

1. Just because none of the people that you know didn’t vote for it, does not mean that the majority of voter actually did not vote for it.

2. The reason why you feel like people are leaving the game might be because those of your friends that play it are actually taking a break for Legion in the first place.

There are a lot more people playing the game than most of us realize. Their opinions are incredibly diverse.

People who voted was all about removing DBL completely or leave there with alpine.

and majority vote for leaving DBL there with alpine which DOESNT MEAN THAT THEY WANT TO PLAY ON DBL.

Lot of people saying/thinks that majority want dbl back which isnt true.

we chose DBL to come back with alpine so everyone can be happy.

I still dont see people on DBL at least on my server and DBL needs rework to make people actually play on that map.

Poll was about removing DBL completely vs leave there with alpine

and majority of people chose bring back DBL with ALPINE which does not mean majority want to play on DBL.

majority of people still prefer to play on alpine and EBG

that 75% vote was to make everyone happy so we can play both maps.

but it would’ve been different story if it was a poll about remove alpine vs remove dbl.

PyrateSilly.4710:

This was a majority vote to have and keep BOTH maps still in play. I prefer DBL and don’t like Alpine as much, I still played on it thou.
So who voted for it? A majority of the GW2 WvW population.

It is strange how this votes were the majority of the wvw population vote for it, yet the players i play with everyday in wvw did not vote for it, hate it and don’t want to be on it.

All those voters should be piling up on the dbl map and lead the way since it is obvious most of the veteran players don’t like it, but yet this don’t seem to happen.
I see those that come for dailies or play for a few hours a week join the map, crying in spawn that there are no com, and then demands for a com to tag up whilst the rest of us that are doing what we always do in wvw are not that bothered about it, and then tell us that the game is dying and leave.
I mean here they have the best opportunity the game can give, a map not liked by veterans so they can tag up when ever and just make it theirs, but again this is not happening. And it did not happen when DBL was up the last time. Why is that? They voted for it.

If I go flip stuff on Desert Borderlands detached from the zerg, SBI seeks me out and harasses me.

It’s a busy map. If CD were on DBL it would be even busier.

My server was DBL last week, and we stomped the other 2 servers and we are DBL again this week and are currently stomping the other 2 servers, I find that the other servers tend to not want to go to DBL to try and cap, as in the time it takes a zerg to cross the DBL cap, the DBL server can go to the ABL and cap both bay and hills in the same time.

MidoriMarch.8067:

but it would’ve been different story if it was a poll about remove alpine vs remove dbl.

You were saying…?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

I know a lot of people and none voted for DBL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

hello i have a handcrafted guide to help you cope with desert borderlands

fwiw desert borderlands is plenty active, red team has been holding steady

The way people actually voted does not necessarily match they way they say they voted…

Jeknar.6184:

MidoriMarch.8067:

but it would’ve been different story if it was a poll about remove alpine vs remove dbl.

You were saying…?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

If I remember this poll only went this direction due to the Reddit post from a Dev saying if the DBL died they would likely not work on another map.

And why would they? So you people just tell them to dump their work like you want them to do with DBL?

I voted to keep it merely because a lot of people were parroting what the elitist wvw people were saying. Those elitist and their pitchforking buddies were so certain that if a poll was made about scrapping DBL it would be a slamdunk in their favor. Well I guess they don’t represent as many as they thought.

I believe many voters thought the maps would be rotated in and out. Alpine is a superior map but it does get old after years. This partial map decision seems a bit odd.

Straegen.2938:

I believe many voters thought the maps would be rotated in and out. Alpine is a superior map but it does get old after years. This partial map decision seems a bit odd.

The partial map decision was to allow everyone to play in the map they want. If they want ABL, they have 2. If they want DBL, they have 1. But DBL haters refuse to accept that DBL will be part of the game and keep crying out loud for it’s existance.

PyrateSilly.4710:

This was a majority vote to have and keep BOTH maps still in play. I prefer DBL and don’t like Alpine as much, I still played on it thou.
So who voted for it? A majority of the GW2 WvW population.

Not really, the vote was open to everyone whether they play WvW or not, whether they play WvW 2 hours a week or 40 hours, and really by the time we had the votes it was something of a self selecting sample, a lot of players that disliked the DBL stopped playing back when they were stuck with DBL, so a lot of the players who kicked up a fuss about it 10 months ago didn’t vote because they stopped playing or barely play, hence a self selecting sample.

You also had rather suspect influences on the vote such as a dev stating on Reddit that they would be unlikely to work on a new map if DBL died.

zinkz.7045:

Not really, the vote was open to everyone whether they play WvW or not, whether they play WvW 2 hours a week or 40 hours, and really by the time we had the votes it was something of a self selecting sample, a lot of players that disliked the DBL stopped playing back when they were stuck with DBL, so a lot of the players who kicked up a fuss about it 10 months ago didn’t vote because they stopped playing or barely play, hence a self selecting sample.

If they stopped playing they have no say in how the game should go on.

I stand corrected. However, in a more cynical sense, it still never really was an option :p

Nightcore.7839:

People seem to have forgotten that removing DBL was never an option.

You were saying…?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

Jeknar.6184:

zinkz.7045:

Not really, the vote was open to everyone whether they play WvW or not, whether they play WvW 2 hours a week or 40 hours, and really by the time we had the votes it was something of a self selecting sample, a lot of players that disliked the DBL stopped playing back when they were stuck with DBL, so a lot of the players who kicked up a fuss about it 10 months ago didn’t vote because they stopped playing or barely play, hence a self selecting sample.

If they stopped playing they have no say in how the game should go on.

The point being what the “WvW community” thinks now on the DBL and what they thought 10 months are two different things, because they are not the same community.

Furthermore it also looks pretty moronic when people defend it on that basis, when we are talking about a game mode that absolutely hemorrhaged players after HoT to the point you’ve had what are effectively server merges, and still the game (at least on EU) is far less active (comparing gold league), especially outside primeitime, even after those merges, so people standing there with their pants down saying ‘look this is what the community wanted’, just come across as ridiculous given the state WvW has deteriorated to.

zinkz.7045:

Furthermore it also looks pretty moronic when people defend it on that basis, we are talking a game mode that absolutely hemorrhaged players after HoT to the point you’ve had what are effectively server merges, and still the game (at least on EU) is far less active (comparing gold league), especially outside primeitime, even after those merges, so people standing their with their pants down saying ’look this is what the community wanted", just come across as ridiculous given the state WvW deteriorated to.

There’s something really moronic that’s also going on here; a lot of people are speaking for people who are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.

If DBL returning were such an issue, they would speak about it, they would’ve voted on the polls. Emails were sent out detailing them.

But no, people are really happy to just make assertions and then, when contradicted by direct polling data, claim that the people polled “are not the real wvw population”.

Sarrs.4831:

There’s something really moronic that’s also going on here; a lot of people are speaking for people who are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.

If DBL returning were such an issue, they would speak about it, they would’ve voted on the polls. Emails were sent out detailing them.

But no, people are really happy to just make assertions and then, when contradicted by direct polling data, claim that the people polled “are not the real wvw population”.

Maybe read the whole conversation then you’ll have a clue.

If players stopped playing the game after HoT and the DBL, then they weren’t here to vote 7 months later, hence the poll is a self selecting sample, then when you add troll votes from PvE players, the effect of threats there would be no more maps if DBL got voted out, etc, well.

No but you are right, WvW since HoT has been a massive success and exactly what WvW players wanted, which is why the population collapsed to the point you’ve had what are effectively server merges. /sarcasm

zinkz.7045:

Maybe read the whole conversation then you’ll have a clue.

I have been paying attention to this conversation since this set of WvW beta features began.

zinkz.7045:

If players stopped playing the game after HoT and the DBL, then they weren’t here to vote 7 months later, hence the poll is a self selecting sample, then when you add troll votes from PvE players, the effect of threats there would be no more maps if DBL got voted out, etc, well.

That is an excellent theory.

Do you have any evidence to indicate that what you suggest happened actually happened?

zinkz.7045:

No but you are right, WvW since HoT has been a massive success and exactly what WvW players wanted, which is why the population collapsed to the point you’ve had what are effectively server merges. /sarcasm

Sloppy strawman. Out out out.

Do you have any evidence to indicate that what you suggest happened actually happened?

Do you have any evidence to show that the polls included only WvW player votes, included no troll votes, included every WvW player that played on HoT release and that the statement by a dev on Reddit that more maps would be unlikely if the DBL got voted out, had no effect on the votes?

Sloppy strawman. Out out out.

Not really, just the reality of the situation, WvW since HoT has not been a success, now I am sure that is not all down to the DBL, there are many factors, point is claiming some hopelessly flawed poll is representative of what the “WvW community” wanted in this game is laughable when so much of the WvW community has left the game in that time before the poll was made.

There is a reason WvW is down to server merges and probably the least healthy state it has ever been in, and isn’t because they provided what the community wanted.

MidoriMarch.8067:

and majority vote for leaving DBL there with alpine which DOESNT MEAN THAT THEY WANT TO PLAY ON DBL.

we chose DBL to come back with alpine so everyone can be happy.

this and also because of devs saying they would ditch further wvw development otherwise

Neftex.7594:

MidoriMarch.8067:

and majority vote for leaving DBL there with alpine which DOESNT MEAN THAT THEY WANT TO PLAY ON DBL.

we chose DBL to come back with alpine so everyone can be happy.

this and also because of devs saying they would ditch further wvw development otherwise

This. This right here.

PyrateSilly.4710:

This was a majority vote to have and keep BOTH maps still in play. I prefer DBL and don’t like Alpine as much, I still played on it thou.
So who voted for it? A majority of the GW2 WvW population.

Who voted for DBL?
All the pvers, pvers who only play wvw on friday night, with the only hope for profitable karma train.

But i’m sure, you are very much aware what i am talking about.

should get rid of those 2 empty alpine maps that nobody plays on. past reset had queues on EBG and the DBL.. its clear that players are tired of those old boring maps.. should re-run the poll to delete alpine maps for ever

Jeknar.6184:

Nightcore.7839:

People seem to have forgotten that removing DBL was never an option.

You were saying…?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

I missed that poll kitten!

Avit.3165:

PyrateSilly.4710:

This was a majority vote to have and keep BOTH maps still in play. I prefer DBL and don’t like Alpine as much, I still played on it thou.
So who voted for it? A majority of the GW2 WvW population.

Who voted for DBL?
All the pvers, pvers who only play wvw on friday night, with the only hope for profitable karma train.

But i’m sure, you are very much aware what i am talking about.

I voted for DBL. I was a serious critic of it when it first came out, but after the changes, which I got to experience because I kept playing the game, I liked it.

I play WvW pretty much every day and have for years. Of all the days I play, Friday is the day I least want to play because I hate reset.

DBL. T3. SBI.

Photobucket doesn’t want to play right now.

Friday 11:20 PM EDT Queue DBL: 7, ABLs: 0 (was on EB at time of check)
Sat 12:51 AM EDT Queue: EB: 1. DBL: 16, ABLs: 0
Sat 10:02 PM EDT Queue: EB: 19, DBL: 3, ABLs: 0
Sun 12:15 AM EDT Queue: EB: 6, DBL: 5, ABLs: 0

Also SBI/CD had some awesome fights in SBI’s Air/Fire keeps last night with what seemed like full map queues on both sides. The Air keep shined with fights in the various passage ways and walls. Really showed how awesome fights can be inside the inner and outer walls. +10 to CD was great times.

Fought mostly in DBL over weekend, found activity the full time by all three sides. Found fights of all sizes, solo, group, warband and full map zergs. Curious to hear numbers from other tiers.

Avit.3165:

Who voted for DBL?
All the pvers, pvers who only play wvw on friday night, with the only hope for profitable karma train.

But i’m sure, you are very much aware what i am talking about.

So people that play Friday night are K-Trainers to you? Even though its the night that draws the most players. And if there are more players, there should be less empty strucutures and less K-Training yes? More players should mean more people that run into each other, which usually triggers fights, yes? Your concepts conflict.

Now if you want to say it draws more PvXers ok, but part of that x is that they WvW when there are the most fights to be had. So wouldn’t the people that play when there are less players on more likely match your description since they would have more empty strucutures to K-Train? Sorry but calling out people that play Friday reset night is silly when that’s when we have the most people to fight. And I think most people that enjoy WvW like the fights. Just a thought regardless of if you like ABL/DBL or EBG.

I’m enjoying having DBL in the mix. I was never really accustomed to the map before, and I’m getting more used to the paths and routes to take. It’s been quite an enjoyable experience.

Even learning about siege placement kinda feels new and undiscovered. In comms people openly admit they don’t know the optimal placements yet, but will try to lay some to defend a keep. Kinda gives me the feelings way back when people were learning about the alpines (way long ago) ….

Also, getting to know the routes and paths, exploring the doughnut and bridges crevices, etc is pretty interesting. Also remembering to ‘look up’ to check for enemies. I don’t know how many times a ranger was sitting on a peak just pew pew’ing but it’s all a learning curve for me. And i’m enjoying it, even if I’m dirt napping here and there.

I support game development… multi maps is more engaging, and offers more to the overall populations. Players can play what they choose, means overall there will be more activity. It’s good for the health of a game in general. If you shoot down any development time invested, you get even less in the future. personally I like the map, (so far so much as I’ve covered of it).

WvW is so broken at this point it doesn’t really matter. I’m not a fan of DBL, the verticality and all the extra dumped in make it a pain. The people I talked to who voted for it said their main reasons were, there was a carrot dangled for more BL’s to come, and they were hoping for a pretty hefty redesign of DBL. The latter didn’t really happen and the former most likely won’t happen in this life time. Many of those I have talked to said if they could do it again they wouldn’t have voted yes.

But it is what it is, it’s in, it’s a great PvE map that doesn’t cater very well to WvW. Here’s hoping they are working on more maps to add, they shouldn’t take as long to design if you leave out all the extra uneeded fluff.

Actually, there is no such thing as 75% voted for DBL. The vote actually is to keep DBL or throw it away permanently and it is not even 75%.. Also, no one ever voted DBL to be part of the rotation, we were never given that choice. DBL is literally forced into the rotation without our consent. Our only option is to keep or not keep DBL but anet devs go beyond that and interpreted it as we want to keep it means we want it to be in rotation. Then, we are forced to vote for the type of rotation without voting for wanting it to be part o the rotation. There is also no other vote regarding what kind of things people dislike about DBL. The popularity will is engineered, nothing is real, wvw continue to bleed.