Guild Wars 2

Wamgor.9347:

The ques are getting worse and its the new norm for Piken, because more and more idiots are moving to a full WvW server because we have a medium server population GG anet… your changes are killing off the WvW community on the roleplay server… the one that doesnt Zerg… which you supposedly wanted more players/servers to play like instead of just run around like a blob.

This is pure gold.
I love this man.

Last night evening:
I signed up on border .. about 10 minutes queue (before primetime)
played for like 45 minutes crash..
In queue for about 30 minutes
played for like 30 minutes crash
in queue for about 1.5 hours crash!!!
went to bed

I started to Queue up at 18:00 GMT and it was almost 19:45 by the time the bl popped, others from my guild where queued in and around the same time as me and still in the Queue up to 20:00-21:00.

So from about 18:00-20:00 out of a total of 15 guild members in Queue we had 2-3 able to raid up until that point.

Wamgor.9347:

. lol Each guild raid on average has 5+ players stuck in the que… and thats alot of guild raids… and last night TUP didnt even raid cuz ques was so bad, and Boon wasnt out in force (they had 5) that is a 2 big core guilds.

Add DT to the list

last night qued at 6:30, 1.5 hours later I reque for 15 then again again again. POP 9:30 screw that.

Wamgor.9347:

Centrix can you please stop giving people outside piken the wrong idea of ques in primetime on our server… 20 mins only… lol Each guild raid on average has 5+ players stuck in the que… and thats alot of guild raids… and last night TUP didnt even raid cuz ques was so bad, and Boon wasnt out in force (they had 5) that is a 2 big core guilds… thats another 50 players on top of the ques last night… you realise how long it would take for them to get into a zone?

You were probally in piken bl, or just lucky… because last night piken bl was full / had que but got totally destroyed losing t3 upgrades to both enemies… so I can understand randoms maybe logging after getting their kitten beat. But on outer borderlands when they are full of guild raids, no one is going to log early, only random crashes.

The ques are getting worse and its the new norm for Piken, because more and more idiots are moving to a full WvW server because we have a medium server population GG anet… your changes are killing off the WvW community on the roleplay server… the one that doesnt Zerg… which you supposedly wanted more players/servers to play like instead of just run around like a blob.

I’m just behing honest and saying what my experiences are. I know that when the bl’s are full it’s hard to get a whole guild in and that it’ll take a while. If it takes 1 person 10-30 min to get in, then yeah a whole guild…?

But that’s not what I’m talking about, I’m talking about the fact that people here say they are in a queue for 3 hours, which is just insane and unnecessary. How is it that one person has to wait 3 hours when the other gets in within 20 minutes? When the person that gets in after 20 min probably started queueing AFTER the 3 hours guy. That’s not my fault, and not the fault of the players trying to get in.

I’m just telling people that they can reduce their queuetime from 3 hours to 10-30 mins, because it IS possible. People disconnect from the game more often than you think (for whatever reason). Yesterday I started queueing at 7:25pm CET, requeued after 15 min and got in at 7:46.

And btw, it was on Jade Sea bl and the other days on Riverside. It’s only during the day when there are no queues that I go to Piken bl and sometimes EB.

3 hours queue, come on.

Ensity.2164:

Ok after this i saw in whole forum get me out of my clothes!Why a few ppl are so egoists and seem like noob?Before post here asked other ppl about queue…

How is me telling people how to cut their queue time egoistic? Can you give me your reasoning?

Centrix,

the truth is ques are screwed there is no accurate order to it. yes you can reque and get lucky, but I requed for 2 hours last night and finally got in. as more peple realise that requeing is a possibility to bump your place it doesn’t deal with the fact there is still 2 hours worth of people queing it just constantly rearranges that que.

@Centrix: Seriusly, you’re starting to kitten people off. Here and on the Piken forum as well. We all know about the bugs that affect the queue system, but it’s obvious the queue situation is getting worse and worse, especially (what a coincidence!) on the night we’re doing pretty good, when queues, bugged or not, are insanely long.
The fact is you’re totally missing the point. Read the the title of the topic please.

You’re cool cause you can wait 20-30 minutes to get in wvw, ok, good for you. But have you seen all the guildies that are stucked in spvp lobby waiting in queue? Not ZERGLINGS but GUILDIES. It’s obvious in a guild one man can make the difference. Do you seriously think that the guilds will go on like this? Slowly people will get bored of this, guilds will stop to go wvw if they can’t go and have fun together. And without guilds running what zerglings will do? They’ll start to whine like always happens, making people kitten of even more.

It’s a chain event. A bad one.
So please, stop with this false Good-Samaritan mode. Piken has a big problem, and a lot of egoistic people are underestimating it too much, thinking only “Ow i had a short queue, the others are just being stupid QQ.”

Centrix, the reconnect and try again fix does work sometimes, but we had a member stuck in queues for 3 hours last night, tried multiple reconnects, restarting router etc etc, and it was still 3 hours before he got in. At this stage its just down to ANets buggy queue system that needs a quick hot fix before server communities start to break down.

And yes, you nubs, transfers affect WvW the most, and thus the transfer costs should be based on WvW populations, or queue times. Arena Net has access to that data, and so can implement it. At the end of the day, server communities aren’t built through doing PvE dungeons, they’re built through the interractions of the server in WvW, the commanders and players working together, and getting something out of it. At the minute, these communities are fracturing because of how stupidly the transfer cost has been implemented, leading to big queue times because players want to transfer to winning servers, or wrongly labelled servers.

Piken Square is not a medium population server, it probably has the most active primetime of ANY EU server. Queues are in excess of 3 hours for some now, which is basically all of EU primetime. Anyone trying to transfer here to WvW will be sorely disappointed, as YOU WILL NOT GET IN THE MAP.

Centrix.4065:

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But that’s not what I’m talking about, I’m talking about the fact that people here say they are in a queue for 3 hours, which is just insane and unnecessary. How is it that one person has to wait 3 hours when the other gets in within 20 minutes? When the person that gets in after 20 min probably started queueing AFTER the 3 hours guy. That’s not my fault, and not the fault of the players trying to get in.

Hmmm

1. The queues appear buggy. They are not FIFO (First in First Out). It appears to be random as to who enters the border and has no bearing as to when they entered the queue.
2. If you queue up for all 4 maps then the average time that you spend in the queue is substantially less than if you only queue up for 1 specific border. Obviously this impacts the guilds that are raiding a particular border.

Centrix.4065:

I’m just telling people that they can reduce their queuetime from 3 hours to 10-30 mins, because it IS possible. People disconnect from the game more often than you think (for whatever reason). Yesterday I started queueing at 7:25pm CET, requeued after 15 min and got in at 7:46.snip…

In your example above, you neglect to state what map(s) you were queueing for. Can you clarify as to whether it was for a specific map, or for multiple maps?

You can qeueu for only one map at the same time. It is not possible to qeueu for more then one map.

Hey !

Is this the thread where PS guilds troll other PS guilds so that non PS players are trolled into believing that the sever is full and they should not transfer over?

Snowstorm.3897:

Piken Square is not a medium population server, it probably has the most active primetime of ANY EU server. Queues are in excess of 3 hours for some now, which is basically all of EU primetime. Anyone trying to transfer here to WvW will be sorely disappointed, as YOU WILL NOT GET IN THE MAP.

It all comes down to this. Piken Square has T1 population but lacks the skill because guilds can’t get their raids in, and only bandagoners make up the numbers. There’s no way this kind of server can go anywhere at the moment.

I’m calling it now, in a few weeks the core guild alliance will move to a T6-7 server and bandwagoners are left with a new Blacktide.

Someone should make a video of an evening playing WvW on Piken
It would become the most booring video ever.
Standing in the Lobby for hours.. Also it will be prove for the none believers.

What you will be then if you jump from one realm to another? :-) As i don’t think you will go on Vabbi…

One more thing, plz just stop with all that “%”% about bandagoners… WvW focused guilds are not the problem of Piken as random players are. Core guilds you speak about are no better then some wvw guilds that come on Piken in last few weeks (SiN, Red Guard, Nugos, Green Fire)… When any of guilds mentioned above are on the map with organized raid you can be sure that not a single “core” guild will do better job then those guilds.

Now, why they come here? Well, thats also not your problem as you don’t own Piken Square and there was a free transfer for all players. They didn’t join Desolation, SFR, VS, Elona but they come on middle tier server so… Most of those guild come down to Piken from higher tier servers…

Vukanigia.5496:

What you will be then if you jump from one realm to another? :-) As i don’t think you will go on Vabbi…

One more thing, plz just stop with all that “%”% about bandagoners… WvW focused guilds are not the problem of Piken as random players are. Core guilds you speak about are no better then some wvw guilds that come on Piken in last few weeks (SiN, Red Guard, Nugos, Green Fire)… When any of guilds mentioned above are on the map with organized raid you can be sure that not a single “core” guild will do better job then those guilds.

Now, why they come here? Well, thats also not your problem as you don’t own Piken Square and there was a free transfer for all players. They didn’t join Desolation, SFR, VS, Elona but they come on middle tier server so… Most of those guild come down to Piken from higher tier servers…

It’s not those guilds that most are complaining about, Red Guard started on Piken, sIN/Nugos/Green Fire/SFRJ were talked to and invited by some. And for the most part you only overlap a little with our primetime, people are complaining about the GMT prime time guilds that are all coming over to a server that has repeatedly said that it has no room for any more prime time guilds.

For them to ignore these messages, and obviously ignore all the messages from other servers asking for new guilds, smacks of nothing more than bandwagoning.

Vukanigia.5496:

What you will be then if you jump from one realm to another? :-) As i don’t think you will go on Vabbi…

One more thing, plz just stop with all that “%”% about bandagoners… WvW focused guilds are not the problem of Piken as random players are. Core guilds you speak about are no better then some wvw guilds that come on Piken in last few weeks (SiN, Red Guard, Nugos, Green Fire)… When any of guilds mentioned above are on the map with organized raid you can be sure that not a single “core” guild will do better job then those guilds.

Now, why they come here? Well, thats also not your problem as you don’t own Piken Square and there was a free transfer for all players. They didn’t join Desolation, SFR, VS, Elona but they come on middle tier server so… Most of those guild come down to Piken from higher tier servers…

Hello there Vulk!I see your point but you have to understand the frustration most of the “core guilds” ,as you say, are undergoing from this long que.

These guilds have put effort and time the last months to elevate Piken through the Tiers and now that the server has reached the top10 in europe the surge of new blood (which is not necessarily a bad thing) seems to be dwindling this effort.Piken was very strong even before the new guilds that you mentioned joined our little server.

I think we all agreed that we would welcome all the new guilds that were willing to cooperate in WvW with the rest of the “core guilds”. You decided to join our server.No need for hostilities.As you say we cannot control who comes and who goes.Personaly i think you and your guild are doing a fine job in BL.

As for the ques all we can do is wait and see if they are truly broken or Piken is now an ultra-full populated server.Until then,coordination and understanding are our allies.But yes!…it is clear that Piken cannot take more new blood in WvW.

Seems to me that you did try to cheat and invite all big bandwagon guilds.

Junkpile.7439:

Seems to me that you did try to cheat and invite all big bandwagon guilds.

SFR troll. Don’t feed.

Surely the guilds on PS would have known what was going to happen as they went up in the rankings. Just look at what happened to other international servers. You guy’s aren’t the only ones unable to get everyone into wvw. Guilds constanly in T1-T2 have had this problem for months. It didn’t help being the only medium populated international server left before the reset though.

ANet reduced player amount per map with last patch to fake less culling. (2d ago we had RG+Tpst on the map, almost no randoms; had ppl running all over the map trying to find the missing 40-50 guys that make the zone queue for 15+mins)
Also the queue system is more broken then ever.

Snowstorm.3897:

Junkpile.7439:

Seems to me that you did try to cheat and invite all big bandwagon guilds.

SFR troll. Don’t feed.

That one dude said that they talked with GF and NUG and now you whine that you got too many bandwagon guilds. You really thought that you can invite big guilds and then every guild would get full guild zerg in without queue?

Junkpile.7439:

Snowstorm.3897:

Junkpile.7439:

Seems to me that you did try to cheat and invite all big bandwagon guilds.

SFR troll. Don’t feed.

That one dude said that they talked with GF and NUG and now you whine that you got too many bandwagon guilds. You really thought that you can invite big guilds and then every guild would get full guild zerg in without queue?

By inviting those guilds they created the next Blacktide (as in superstacked server) and now they are surprised/annoyed bandwagoners flock this server.

ankdarkwolf.1487:

@Centrix: Seriusly, you’re starting to kitten people off. Here and on the Piken forum as well. We all know about the bugs that affect the queue system, but it’s obvious the queue situation is getting worse and worse, especially (what a coincidence!) on the night we’re doing pretty good, when queues, bugged or not, are insanely long.
The fact is you’re totally missing the point. Read the the title of the topic please.

You’re cool cause you can wait 20-30 minutes to get in wvw, ok, good for you. But have you seen all the guildies that are stucked in spvp lobby waiting in queue? Not ZERGLINGS but GUILDIES. It’s obvious in a guild one man can make the difference. Do you seriously think that the guilds will go on like this? Slowly people will get bored of this, guilds will stop to go wvw if they can’t go and have fun together. And without guilds running what zerglings will do? They’ll start to whine like always happens, making people kitten of even more.

It’s a chain event. A bad one.
So please, stop with this false Good-Samaritan mode. Piken has a big problem, and a lot of egoistic people are underestimating it too much, thinking only “Ow i had a short queue, the others are just being stupid QQ.”

You’re really misunderstanding what I’m saying if that’s what you think. You should read what I’m saying before making asinine conclusions and statements. You don’t need to tell me how people underestimate the queueing problem ,not just on Piken, because I know, and I just posted that (you’re trying to convince me of something I already agree on…). But complaining THIS much about it won’t solve the problem. Other servers have had this issue as well and they worked it out with their guilds. But some of you guys don’t seem to try to do that, instead, you are just complaining about guilds that recently joined the server. Instead of asking “why” ask the more important question: “How are we going to work this out”. You have to do what you can while you wait and hope for ANet to make a better system, but “doing nothing” isn’t “doing what you can”.

I am posting about the way to reduce queueing time (and will continue to do so) because there are still people out there that don’t know about it and I am genuinely trying to make it a little easier for them. But hey, if you’re not the kind of person that would help a random player that’s fine by me, but stop calling others out on it when they are trying to help, especially if you don’t know them at all. It only makes you look like an inconsiderate jack***.

I hope you see clearer now where I’m coming from. If not, whatever, but I’m not going to stop helping people just because others don’t like it.

Feel the love

Hejjin.1697:

Hmmm

1. The queues appear buggy. They are not FIFO (First in First Out). It appears to be random as to who enters the border and has no bearing as to when they entered the queue.
2. If you queue up for all 4 maps then the average time that you spend in the queue is substantially less than if you only queue up for 1 specific border. Obviously this impacts the guilds that are raiding a particular border.

In your example above, you neglect to state what map(s) you were queueing for. Can you clarify as to whether it was for a specific map, or for multiple maps?

1. Yep, that’s why you should requeue after 15 minutes. It was a while ago when I read this, but iirc the bug keeps you at the “end” of the queue (I know, FIRO, but you get the point) and by requeueing you basically reset your queue

2. ArenaNet posted once explaining that you only queue for 1 map at a time. So if you queue for Border A now and 5 minutes later for Border B, you leave the queue for Border A.

It was Jade Sea borderlands and I only tried to get into that one.

Our guild of 125 is moving to Piken tomorrow night. We got about 4 commanders in our guild so that will help you guys.

Lysico.4906:

Our guild of 125 is moving to Piken tomorrow night. We got about 4 commanders in our guild so that will help you guys.

Help to increase the duration of the queues unless you are non EU prime time…

Centrix.4065:

snip…

2. ArenaNet posted once explaining that you only queue for 1 map at a time. So if you queue for Border A now and 5 minutes later for Border B, you leave the queue for Border A.

It was Jade Sea borderlands and I only tried to get into that one.

Fair enough, I will have to test it as I thought I had experienced differently, but as I am old hippy, lets just say my memory isn’t what it used to be ;-).

Hmm

16:33 GMT and already queues for 3 of the 4 maps…

Hejjin.1697:

Centrix.4065:

snip…

2. ArenaNet posted once explaining that you only queue for 1 map at a time. So if you queue for Border A now and 5 minutes later for Border B, you leave the queue for Border A.

It was Jade Sea borderlands and I only tried to get into that one.

Fair enough, I will have to test it as I thought I had experienced differently, but as I am old hippy, lets just say my memory isn’t what it used to be ;-).

Found it here:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/mike-ferguson-on-the-current-state-of-the-world-vs-world/

Lysico.4906:

Our guild of 125 is moving to Piken tomorrow night. We got about 4 commanders in our guild so that will help you guys.

Buy 5th and complete fractals . 125 more newbies or less it’s not a difference now

It’s very hard to be an Idol of the mass

Dear Piken Square,

Why did you have to start beating Riverside? We were ready for you, ready to take you back, ready to try again… yet you left us once more :‘(. The thought of you coming back to us sent our stomachs into flutters and made us weep with joy, yet you leave our hearts broken.
It’s okay, we understand it’s these new friends of yours. We’ll be waiting for you should you decide to come back down the ladder our way, and then maybe we can continue the way it was meant too.

Love,
Gandara

Well 1 hour 30 min que now, Piken is really hurting when the Best of the Best (me) isnt in WvW. Seriously tho this is annoying.

does the server is Still full ?

Nope, not that I’ve seen lately. Piken Square has queues on Friday nights and sometimes over the weekend, but even then they tend to be relatively short. Otherwise, queues are mostly an indicator that we’re up against a mega-blob server that is currently rampaging through one of the maps. :-P

Ok, thank you for this information ;-)