Sabotage Discussion Thread

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Posted by: eyestrain.3056

eyestrain.3056

nevermind i’m a big gay baby and i’ve moved on
peace


Note- I’ve been informed that posting specific player information in this thread would be forbidden. But I think this is worth discussing and I would be glad to hear other people’s experiences with this issue.

Although season one has ended, there are still many instances of players cheating by means of sabotage: suiciding golems, wasting keep and camp supply being the most crippling. Fingers have been pointed about who these people belong to, but I feel it is more productive to place the blame on the individuals who are directly causing the problems.


this was the original text post, please disregard and do not post specific player’s information.
I encourage all people on all servers to post evidence here of people who have clearly made new accounts specifically to troll in wvw. Screencaps are best. I hope together we can bring these saboteurs to the attention of anet.

Everyone is working hard in wvw to do their part and it is very sad to see our efforts being interrupted by these individuals who only want to see things fall apart.

Note: Griefing/bad attitude is not what i’m looking to report here. Unless you can prove with screenshots or multiple witnesses that a player is actively working against their server by stealing/destroying golems or wasting siege (half-building blueprints then letting them expire in a keep, building unusable/useless seige, upgrading against the directions of commanders, etc), please think twice about reporting them. If you friend a suspicious person you can also look at their achievement points. A score lower than 200 means a newer account, and is more suspect than someone with more to lose from a ban.

And as a final note, these griefers/trolls may be working to help someone, but it’s likely their greatest pleasure in the task is the attention they get (negative or positive). Please discuss them in whisper/party/guild and avoid map chat. Avoid stroking their egos and they may eventually get bored with their foul play.

Thank you, good luck and have fun.
- Menan Brighteye, Yggdrell [Yak’s Bend]

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Posted by: ArkAngel.7940

ArkAngel.7940

Inb4 mod deletes thread.

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Posted by: Jayne.9251

Jayne.9251

It’s against forum terms of service to do this. Your only recourse is to file a support ticket under “violations” .. because any thread like this will be deleted.

L’enfer, c’est les autres

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Posted by: eyestrain.3056

eyestrain.3056

I submitted a formal violations report, but combing through the code of conduct I saw there are no rules protecting wvw specifically. #22 forbids the manipulation/fixing of spvp matches and while I recognize the game modes are very different, the fact that there’s no rule preventing the kind of sabotage and trolling that are ruining the fun of wvw seems like a serious issue to me. That a few determined jerks can seriously cripple our ability to properly play the game should require attention.
Anet has stated they’re not looking for fair matchups, but when the opposition is on our own server we have no way to fight back.

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Posted by: Jayne.9251

Jayne.9251

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/rules

There used to be another stickies to the top of this forum that says you cannot posts screens etc alleging hacks or exploits, but instead send email to exploits@arena.net.

L’enfer, c’est les autres

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Posted by: eyestrain.3056

eyestrain.3056

If the exploit is just buying a new account and doing normal stuff like piloting a golem, does it fall under the same rules? I imagine that rule is in place to prevent knowledge of how to break/abuse the game from spreading, but this isn’t a flaw in the game’s internal mechanics so much as it is a lack of protection for wvw players. What I think is really missing is a way to report and prevent this kind of behavior. There are ways to get rid of gold sellers, spammers, scammers, etc. Why not sabotage?
Yes, we can contact anet and file reports through this site, but for one thing it’s time consuming and difficult, so many report only in game, and after weeks of one saboteur being reported by hundreds of players they are still openly and shamelessly continuing the same bad behavior.

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Posted by: Meecat.2510

Meecat.2510

I believe anet has a good reason to stop people from posting specific player information. Just because the majority of people may believe something doesn’t make it true.

There’s been instances of pitchforking on big sites like reddit which in the end turned out badly because it was all a misunderstanding or something, but in the process ruined someone’s life.

If you believe something is happening then submit it to anet. Posting specific player information on the forums is really not the appropriate avenue to turn to.

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Posted by: eyestrain.3056

eyestrain.3056

I have redacted my goal of collecting player information, I understand how this could be abused and by no means want to start a witch hunt. In the case of my server we have undeniable proof that a self-admitted spy/saboteur has been griefing us for weeks, and I made this thread with that in mind.
I am simply frustrated with the lack of results of contacting/reporting to anet, and frustrated that there is nothing else that can be done. If other players had some experience with this situation (i’ve heard it’s old hat on tier one servers) I’d be glad to hear about it if only because not discussing it is upsetting and crowding map chat in wvw is not the place.

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Posted by: Bass.1697

Bass.1697

I have redacted my goal of collecting player information, I understand how this could be abused and by no means want to start a witch hunt. In the case of my server we have undeniable proof that a self-admitted spy/saboteur has been griefing us for weeks, and I made this thread with that in mind.
I am simply frustrated with the lack of results of contacting/reporting to anet, and frustrated that there is nothing else that can be done. If other players had some experience with this situation (i’ve heard it’s old hat on tier one servers) I’d be glad to hear about it if only because not discussing it is upsetting and crowding map chat in wvw is not the place.

Actually we have proof he was on during league round 6 and now this week. He was suspiciously absent during league week 7.
Today he also proved he was in comms with people on a certain server. A certain guild which we determined him to be in due to him forgetting to remove his tag at one point was contacted about him and shortly thereafter he joked about us partying up said guild members to talk about him.

Yak’s Bend

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Posted by: eyestrain.3056

eyestrain.3056

I was in map at that time and read that conversation. It’s that sort of totally overt flaunting that makes me wonder why such obvious misery hunters can’t be easily brought to an appropriate penalty.

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