Guild Wars 2

Today for the first time I read the WvW forums. What do I find? People asking to nerf other time zones so no one can play when they are asleep.

I’m part of one of Australia largest guilds, and we will play on our prime time just like how everyone else can play on their own time zones. It is our own time zone, what do you expect us to do? Set our clocks to 3AM in the morning so we play on your own time zone?

This not something that can be fixed by making our game experience less than you, your highness want us to suffer because we live in a different part of the world.

Want to fix this? Set your own alarm clock to 3AM, because we won’t do such idiotic thing. We have a life after all.

It’s funny how people forget that the world is round and that when it is dark where they are it is light out in other places.

you people need to display your guilds in your sig :/

but yea, I knew the QQ was coming: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/32383-oceanic-home-world/page__st__30#entry1366888

and what they would ask for before they even knew there was other continents in the world!

Yeah, I am just too embarrassed to reply to those people anymore. And let’s face it… they are all from my country. I apologize for their self centeredness and inability to understand that we are not the center of the universe. (Well, I am… but I digress) :P

They call it night capping.

I call it Prime Time.

We have to deal with higher ping than most players and now we must be nerfed in WvW. Excellent, what a wonderful idea, why not just block us from playing GW2 all together?

Thagyr.4136:

They call it night capping.

I call it Prime Time.

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Thagyr.4136:

They call it night capping.

I call it Prime Time.

I call it “play time” since, I may be from NA, though I don’t work a 9am-5pm job.
So I play mostly from what “they” consider “night”…go figure.

Another solution would be for Arenanet to allow Oceanic guilds to transfer to servers with night capping troubles without losing their guild unlocks.
Just look at it from this perspective: people will be upset when servers with a night population cap unopposed while they are asleep, then at work or school, they return 16 hours later to find every thing on the map fully upgraded by the team with a night group, with siege positioned outside of their spawn. We can take it back, but it is pointless to invest even more gold in defense and upgrades when you know that the opposition will take SM and the entire map unopposed. It is just a waste of gold and time, especially when you look at the fact that when you take everything back you have to spend gold or badges on siege and repairs just to try to restore parity. This isn’t even taking into account that you have to farm the gold and material to participate strongly in WvW. The system is flawed and if you look at it with a critical eye you can see that the scoring system does not take this into account in the slightest. In the current state the WvW competition boils down to whoever does not have responsibilities outside of the game, or lucky enough to have an off peak population wins regardless of skill, coordination, or effort, and that is ridiculous. No one wants to screw over the guys on the off peak or regional guilds but it is pretty aggravating for many people out there.

This is my response to all those people out there complaining about “night capping” (our oceanic primetime)

“So what makes you think that NA timezone is so superior and deserving it should have the only access to wvwvw and not the rest of the world?
Do you think Oceanic/asian players haven’t been asking for our own dedicated server since pre-release?
Well we have… and we didn’t get it, so basically we HAVE to play on NA servers and we don’t get a choice.
So therefore, NA people need to deal with it as you don’t get a choice either.
It is how it is…

Ravenwolf.2175:

This is my response to all those people out there complaining about “night capping” (our oceanic primetime)

“So what makes you think that NA timezone is so superior and deserving it should have the only access to wvwvw and not the rest of the world?
Do you think Oceanic/asian players haven’t been asking for our own dedicated server since pre-release?
Well we have… and we didn’t get it, so basically we HAVE to play on NA servers and we don’t get a choice.
So therefore, NA people need to deal with it as you don’t get a choice either.
It is how it is…

um some of us night time players are from NA time zones -_- and isnt there a EU server currently complaining about a canadian guild roaming their server at their night time?

Wolfus.4531:

Ravenwolf.2175:

This is my response to all those people out there complaining about “night capping” (our oceanic primetime)

“So what makes you think that NA timezone is so superior and deserving it should have the only access to wvwvw and not the rest of the world?
Do you think Oceanic/asian players haven’t been asking for our own dedicated server since pre-release?
Well we have… and we didn’t get it, so basically we HAVE to play on NA servers and we don’t get a choice.
So therefore, NA people need to deal with it as you don’t get a choice either.
It is how it is…

um some of us night time players are from NA time zones -_- and isnt there a EU server currently complaining about a canadian guild roaming their server at their night time?

That is fine, my post is more in response to people complaining in some other threads about how other time zones should be blocked from wvwvw. This irritates me because us oceanics don’t get our own timezone server to play on, we either have to go on NA or EU, which doesn’t suit our primetime either way…. but some other threads are saying we shouldn’t be allowed to play in wvwvw at all … so i’m not having a go at NA night time players, just more of a response to people saying that only certain timezones should get to play.

You really shouldn’t take it as an attack on people playing on server from the opposite side of the globe. If people have voiced specifically that people from a timezone one too many hours away shouldn’t be allowed to play, then they’re being silly.

What you should ask yourself is this: What should have the most impact on the outcome of WvW?

At the moment you have peak-time and offpeak-time players. This is based upon the servers time to, not to be confused with the offpeak-time players that very well may be in a timezone where they have just got home from work. No. This is the server time and if for example the server is based in the EU then the peak time will be based in and round the early afternoon – late evening of GMT/CET.

Peak time is when the vast majority of players are online. This is when all four borderlands are 100% capped and there are queues for each. This is when very little is achieved in WvW, that so many being online has supply camps swapping hands so frequently that it’s pointless to keep track, that keeps and towers seldom change hands and when they do they don’t for very long. This is where most of that server’s playerbase battle away for hours, to maybe get a 1k points difference if they’re lucky.

Then comes off peak time. Now the borderlands aren’t population capped, infact a few of the borderlands for a couple of servers will be flat out empty. However one server will have to have more online than the others, what may amount to just a couple of dozen extra players now creates a dominance that will most likely see them full cap all 4 borderlands in a couple of hours and maintain that cap for several hours more… now a awful lot is achieved and a 40k~ point difference is established.

The majority of the playerbase wake up, get home from work into that hopeless back and forth with little being achieved again, only now there is a 40k point difference that is completely and utterly impossible to close.

So do you think that is right? noting that to say no, doesn’t mean you aren’t welcome if you live too far away from the server. Merely everyone involved is victim of bad game design resulting in bad representation when it comes to the main factors that effect the outcome of WvW. You should be more annoyed at Anet for them putting you in the situation where naive players are blaming you for the mistakes Anet have made in the design.

The problem isn’t that forts can be taken at night, the problem is that taking a fort without having to fight gives you the same number of points in the tally.

Xonal.5426:

You really shouldn’t take it as an attack on people playing on server from the opposite side of the globe. If people have voiced specifically that people from a timezone one too many hours away shouldn’t be allowed to play, then they’re being silly.

What you should ask yourself is this: What should have the most impact on the outcome of WvW?

At the moment you have peak-time and offpeak-time players. This is based upon the servers time to, not to be confused with the offpeak-time players that very well may be in a timezone where they have just got home from work. No. This is the server time and if for example the server is based in the EU then the peak time will be based in and round the early afternoon – late evening of GMT/CET.

Peak time is when the vast majority of players are online. This is when all four borderlands are 100% capped and there are queues for each. This is when very little is achieved in WvW, that so many being online has supply camps swapping hands so frequently that it’s pointless to keep track, that keeps and towers seldom change hands and when they do they don’t for very long. This is where most of that server’s playerbase battle away for hours, to maybe get a 1k points difference if they’re lucky.

Then comes off peak time. Now the borderlands aren’t population capped, infact a few of the borderlands for a couple of servers will be flat out empty. However one server will have to have more online than the others, what may amount to just a couple of dozen extra players now creates a dominance that will most likely see them full cap all 4 borderlands in a couple of hours and maintain that cap for several hours more… now a awful lot is achieved and a 40k~ point difference is established.

The majority of the playerbase wake up, get home from work into that hopeless back and forth with little being achieved again, only now there is a 40k point difference that is completely and utterly impossible to close.

So do you think that is right? noting that to say no, doesn’t mean you aren’t welcome if you live too far away from the server. Merely everyone involved is victim of bad game design resulting in bad representation when it comes to the main factors that effect the outcome of WvW. You should be more annoyed at Anet for them putting you in the situation where naive players are blaming you for the mistakes Anet have made in the design.

Actually imo the issue has nothing to do with the design, its a persistant war like any other. however player perception is that your server gains some outstanding reward for moving up and down the rank latter when it doesnt. The point is to have fun and if you restrict night time play for any reason you are screwing with another players enjoyment of the game.

So how do you explain NA servers which have a completely Full Queue until about 6am Eastern time, and then it normally only drops in borderlands.

So would 10am-6am the following day be considered “prime time” by your standards of queue’s ebing full.

Wolfus.4531:

Actually imo the issue has nothing to do with the design, its a persistant war like any other. however player perception is that your server gains some outstanding reward for moving up and down the rank latter when it doesnt. The point is to have fun and if you restrict night time play for any reason you are screwing with another players enjoyment of the game.

That is a very hypocritical stand point on this.

You’re saying that peak time players (majority) should just play for the fun of it and ignore the points and who wins / loses and just play for the sake of playing.

Then in the same turn saying off peak players should be protected and that a keep cap of a few dozen players against a handful in the middle of the night should be worth every bit as much as a keep cap when it’s 100vs100 in peak time.

It doesn’t fly. One rule for all. A scaling of point income based upon population levels in the borderlands would create a proportionate representation of the player’s activity on a server. There is no restriction at play here, merely an acknowledgement in the core mechanics of the game that a handful at off peak hours shouldn’t decide the outcome for the hundreds during the peak hours.

As remember that is what is happening here, the small amount of players that make up the off peak are 100% deciding the out come. The peak time players fight over the scraps. You think that doesn’t screw with their enjoyment to know that they may as well not be bothering? or should they just shut up and pretend to have fun?

Mishi.7058:

So how do you explain NA servers which have a completely Full Queue until about 6am Eastern time, and then it normally only drops in borderlands.

So would 10am-6am the following day be considered “prime time” by your standards of queue’s ebing full.

You would have to iterate that issue more clearly as I’m an EU player. But my solution (which I think would have to be only part of an overall solution) would be scaling the point income based upon player population levels in the borderlands, so that a system of proportional representation is implemented. Then it doesn’t matter what times your server is/isn’t busy, it merely matters how many are active.

The issue is people think that “their” time is the set time for everyone, and once they go to bed, no one should be able to play. (One thread had a guy asking to have WvW changed to 12hr matches and 12hrs offline. each day.)

I honestly find it all rude, for people to think that they are the only ones who are online during a specific time.

Also someone mentioned “prime time” being when all server’s Queue’s are full.
3 servers I know have full queue’s from 10am (EST) until 6am(est) the following day.
By the logic the person had, that’d mean 3 servers have a prime time which is 20 hours long.

Mishi.7058:

The issue is people think that “their” time is the set time for everyone, and once they go to bed, no one should be able to play. (One thread had a guy asking to have WvW changed to 12hr matches and 12hrs offline. each day.)

I honestly find it all rude, for people to think that they are the only ones who are online during a specific time.

Also someone mentioned “prime time” being when all server’s Queue’s are full.
3 servers I know have full queue’s from 10am (EST) until 6am(est) the following day.
By the logic the person had, that’d mean 3 servers have a prime time which is 20 hours long.

I agree with you Mishi, I guess the problem is that 80% of those who complaining probably aren’t mature enough to realize how rude they are being =/

Yes I see the ‘my time is peak time’ thing often. I also see the ‘they shouldn’t be allowed to play at all’. It’s all tiresome. I also think that your anger at their rudeness should be turned on Anet. It’s Anet’s bad game design which has spurred their naivety onto having a go at you.

This was meant to be a new MMO with fresh new ideas to turn the current MMO mindset on it’s head. Yet when it came to WvW they implemented the same tired old system that didn’t work in L2/DaoC/WAR.

That Anet have failed to create a workable solution has probably signed the death warrant of WvW. Like L2/DaoC/WAR it will be resigned to a handful of hardcore people that for whatever reason can’t get enough of that game whilst the majority either directly or indirectly aware of the specific flaws, sensing them all the same will move on to find something else to do, for quite a few I imagine would entail a different game. It’s a shame, but I already feel that icy grip of ’I’ll try it again in 6 months’ falling over the game.

It’s ironic that the OP would talk about how everyone who wants to work towards balance is self centered when what he wants is to continue a broken system that only benefits him and the few in his time zone.

As so many Oceanic players are fond to use this phrase i’ll try it in your direction: There’s more to the world than Australia and New Zeland.

Kratuln.9608:

It’s ironic that the OP would talk about how everyone who wants to work towards balance is self centered when what he wants is to continue a broken system that only benefits him and the few in his time zone.

As so many Oceanic players are fond to use this phrase i’ll try it in your direction: There’s more to the world than Australia and New Zeland.

What? So shutting down WvW at our prime time or nerf our points at our prime time is a balanced solution?

lol, truly selfish.

There are things the community can fix on their own without the need of crying and selfishly ask for (I, ME, MYSELF ONLY). Your guild can always start an alliance with Asian guilds and work on creating a global community in your server. This is what we did in Stormbluff we created a community from all around the world before even the game came out.

Many Alliances did the same because it was obvious you needed a global presence in the server to make WvW a true 24/7 war.

I’m an American, and frankly I love Aussie guilds (I used to be in an Aussie Rift guild when I had weird hours)
Please do not think this minority is representative of us normal American players.

We rise in the darkest of nights, and take what belongs to us (sometimes).

Kratuln.9608:

It’s ironic that the OP would talk about how everyone who wants to work towards balance is self centered when what he wants is to continue a broken system that only benefits him and the few in his time zone.

As so many Oceanic players are fond to use this phrase i’ll try it in your direction: There’s more to the world than Australia and New Zeland.

In even one single post has anyone said " block NA from playing wvwvw so that us oceanics don’t get smashed when we are sleeping"… o.0… Your point.. is pointless…. We are defending ourselves from the blame NA are putting on us for our very existence in another location… How DARE we exist outside of NA!?!?!

There is more to the world than North America.

GettCouped.7846:

I’m an American, and frankly I love Aussie guilds (I used to be in an Aussie Rift guild when I had weird hours)
Please do not think this minority is representative of us normal American players.

Im a canadian living in australia. i dont hate NA =D I just am as aware as you are that there are the minority of people who are tied up in their own egos… . hugs

Its a good case study in the difference in mindset between a “top tier” competitive player and a “lower tier” player.

The top tier players looked at the ruleset – 24×7 battles, and said “we will be weak in off peak hours, what can WE do about that?” then went and recruited a bunch of off peak guilds.
The lower tier players are looking at the results of their games and saying “we are weak in off peak hours, what can ANET do about that?”

Ultimately though the ranking system will fix most of the imbalance issues. It isn’t doing that right now because a) there hasn’t been enough time, and b) guilds keep server hopping. Kneejerk fixes based on reactions from players unhappy about losing a match or two are not required.

@amon
I totally agree with you about time zones. I’d hate to play and be nurfed because your in bed sleeping. Makes no sence at all.
I’m sure ArenaNet is looking into this, but the fix/answer will not come fast.

Scrap W3 in its current form, make into giant spvp, join eternal battlegrounds map with 150 cap with a 24 hour timer, No more queues, no more crying over population disparity during off peak (to some) hours. Wanna zerg it up? Join a high population map? hate zergs want to find small mans? join a lesser populated server. Its not a static persistent world anyway so what does it matter? You would still earn your karma or badges or w/e it is that you earn and boom. win. Also would be easier to coordinate actual guild wars which would be good for the game imo.

Hexd.4796:

The problem isn’t that forts can be taken at night, the problem is that taking a fort without having to fight gives you the same number of points in the tally.

I run an Australian guild in an Australian alliance, and I do understand and think this point out of everything is very valid.
That said, until Anet gives us a list of players active based on times of the day, its a useless argument.
I can vouch for IoJ that we in the AUS prime time sit in ques to get into the borderlands and don’t get me started in getting into EB. So on my server at least, its not a group of 15-20 people taking everything.
Infact this week against SoS and ET, there has been epic fights in borderlands and EB for our entire prime time.

I do agree that if we can take keeps with no resistance, that should not be worth as much as if you require 100 people to take a keep because its defended by likewise people and it takes you 3hours to take the keep, Versus 15mins of only NPCs. That said, its not the case (at least for our matchup) We can’t take keeps in 15mins, there are defenders, it takes us organization, siege equipment, multiple strike forces, just like it does US Prime time.

if anything its the TZ after the Oceanic

I understand the australians but right now WvW is a joke and deffinatly not fun, there need to be restrictions for WvW based on the numbers the lowest server has, you aussies/asians should therefore get your own servers.

Amon.8214:

Kratuln.9608:

It’s ironic that the OP would talk about how everyone who wants to work towards balance is self centered when what he wants is to continue a broken system that only benefits him and the few in his time zone.

As so many Oceanic players are fond to use this phrase i’ll try it in your direction: There’s more to the world than Australia and New Zeland.

What? So shutting down WvW at our prime time or nerf our points at our prime time is a balanced solution?

lol, truly selfish.

There are things the community can fix on their own without the need of crying and selfishly ask for (I, ME, MYSELF ONLY). Your guild can always start an alliance with Asian guilds and work on creating a global community in your server. This is what we did in Stormbluff we created a community from all around the world before even the game came out.

Many Alliances did the same because it was obvious you needed a global presence in the server to make WvW a true 24/7 war.

Face the facts buddy, the server’s prime time is that of the majority of players. The majority of players aren’t Oceanic. You want 1/15th(And that’s being generous!) of the entire population of GW2 to be put ahead of the 14/15th’s? I don’t think so. You’re being extremely selfish.

Of course you want to keep the status quo. Right now, U.S primetime is completely meaningless and the entire game is decided by Australians logging in during their primetime.
Most of us U.S players are just asking for U.S primetime and Aussie primetime to be equal in terms of point contribution to the final score since all-capping the map is mysteriously (sarcasm) so much easier during the aussie primetime…

Who is really being selfish here?

Roland Falantyr.3290:

Of course you want to keep the status quo. Right now, U.S primetime is completely meaningless and the entire game is decided by Australians logging in during their primetime.
Most of us U.S players are just asking for U.S primetime and Aussie primetime to be equal in terms of point contribution to the final score since all-capping the map is mysteriously (sarcasm) so much easier during the aussie primetime…

Who is really being selfish here?

Facts… Until Anet supply you raw numbers its hearsay.
Aussy prime time here, we have ques to get into EB and Borderlands, have intense fights to take objectives (man repeating myself.. anyone looked at the TZ after Oceanic. The big gap between Oceanic and EU…)

kylia.4813:

Roland Falantyr.3290:

Of course you want to keep the status quo. Right now, U.S primetime is completely meaningless and the entire game is decided by Australians logging in during their primetime.
Most of us U.S players are just asking for U.S primetime and Aussie primetime to be equal in terms of point contribution to the final score since all-capping the map is mysteriously (sarcasm) so much easier during the aussie primetime…

Who is really being selfish here?

Facts… Until Anet supply you raw numbers its hearsay.
Aussy prime time here, we have ques to get into EB and Borderlands, have intense fights to take objectives (man repeating myself.. anyone looked at the TZ after Oceanic. The big gap between Oceanic and EU…)

Its called common sense. Funny how the fights are even all day and then MAGICALLY the whole map is capped during Aussie prime time. The whole map DOES NOT get capped during “intense fights”.

This only happens when
A.) A server gives up completely or B.) There is a huge numbers disadvantage.

If what you are saying is true, then why do even fights disintegrate into all-cap scenarios during aussie primetime in these matchups? Riddle me that.

Seriously… The maps are not capped during Aussy primetime… There is a timezone after ours..

We have full servers as well… I can provide video evidence of the large scale fights and wait times we have during our prime time… of course staying up last night waaay past my wife approved bed time showed me the issue your all raving about… But its not us Aussies…

I just wish these people would accept that it’s okay to be fighting a losing battle. There are some nights where i wish i could be playing with my Australian and Singaporean buddies on the top servers but I like my server despite the lack of oceanic players. I like being the underdog (Aussie Battler) with no Queue as soon as I get home from
work and plenty of people to kill. My server isnt in the top ten so I doubt I would even have the priviledge of fighting you guys anytime soon. But again, the issue is people cant take losing against high pop offpeak servers. I dont mind so much.

I did suggest in another thread that if your server has completely wipe another off the map, then it might be in the best interest of all three parties if you let them take a
little bit back just to keep the battle flowing. It will probably be taken as a cry for charity but honestly, it’s not fun holding everything and having nothig to fight either as i’ve been on both sides of that situation. If the dominating server has enough players to wipe a map, they have enough to crush anyone that they decide to toy with in this regard. either way, I hope they don’t put any hardfixes in to limit our prime time. The best solution would be to offer incentives for non-allied Oceanic guilds to fill out the other servers (like keeping guild progress). I would love to have more Oceanics (not just aussie) players on Sanctum of Rall but thats upto you guys, I’m not going to beg or recruit. All I can do is say theres room for you here if your looking for a challenge.

And like the above poster mentioned, a lot of the “nightcapping” happens after us Aussies go to bed. I’ve stayed up till 1am some weeknights to and wome up the next day to see everything gone.m 1am my time is 8am PDT

kylia.4813:

Seriously… The maps are not capped during Aussy primetime… There is a timezone after ours..

We have full servers as well… I can provide video evidence of the large scale fights and wait times we have during our prime time… of course staying up last night waaay past my wife approved bed time showed me the issue your all raving about… But its not us Aussies…

It doesn’t matter who it is. Americans, Aussies, EUs, Asians. Who cares? The scoring system is terrible and the matches are being completely decided by one side being able to all-cap the maps with no resistance. Anyone who is ok with that can’t call anyone else selfish.

Roland Falantyr.3290:

kylia.4813:

Seriously… The maps are not capped during Aussy primetime… There is a timezone after ours..

We have full servers as well… I can provide video evidence of the large scale fights and wait times we have during our prime time… of course staying up last night waaay past my wife approved bed time showed me the issue your all raving about… But its not us Aussies…

It doesn’t matter who it is. Americans, Aussies, EUs, Asians. Who cares? The scoring system is terrible and the matches are being completely decided by one side being able to all-cap the maps with no resistance. Anyone who is ok with that can’t call anyone else selfish.

Sure it matters, when you label and issue to a specific set of players.
I totally agree that there is an issue here with WvW, the issue might be that servers arn’t thinking global, the issue might be the unfairness of a keep with no defense netting the same reward as a keep that took a 3hour siege to take, but the issue is not the Oceanic players.

The quicker we stop blaming each other, and do something about it the better…

Roland Falantyr.3290:

Of course you want to keep the status quo. Right now, U.S primetime is completely meaningless and the entire game is decided by Australians logging in during their primetime.
Most of us U.S players are just asking for U.S primetime and Aussie primetime to be equal in terms of point contribution to the final score since all-capping the map is mysteriously (sarcasm) so much easier during the aussie primetime…

Who is really being selfish here?

Anet Intended this game to be a 24/7 Global event. A global community is required to work together in order to progress. If you don’t have a global community on your server, you will then face others that are in the same position. Build your community. And don’t ignore Asians either. Time to accept the facts.

So if your server is not global.. you will face other not global servers.. and the fun times will return.

Well you created a thread with a pretty inflammatory title. If you want to change the tone of the discourse here I would start by changing the title of your thread and taking the time to educate yourself on the heart of what the non-trolls on the U.S side are complaining about. To be honest, most of the talk about “nerfing time zones” came about because ANET deleted a 500 reply thread (started by me) where both sides were compromising and talking about possibilities to fix the scoring so that matches arent essentially over within a day or two of off-peak all-capping…

Firefly.4165:

Roland Falantyr.3290:

Of course you want to keep the status quo. Right now, U.S primetime is completely meaningless and the entire game is decided by Australians logging in during their primetime.
Most of us U.S players are just asking for U.S primetime and Aussie primetime to be equal in terms of point contribution to the final score since all-capping the map is mysteriously (sarcasm) so much easier during the aussie primetime…

Who is really being selfish here?

Anet Intended this game to be a 24/7 Global event. A global community is required to work together in order to progress. If you don’t have a global community on your server, you will then face others that are in the same position. Build your community. And don’t ignore Asians either. Time to accept the facts.

So if your server is not global.. you will face other not global servers.. and the fun times will return.

This is untrue unless 24/7 servers happen to occur in groups of 3s. Think about it for a sec before spouting the same old party line rhetoric…
Also, happening to have Oceanic guilds on your server is not working together. Its winning due to sheer coincidence and 99% of players in this game did no pre-game strategizing. Are they SUPPOSED to be screwed now?

Roland Falantyr.3290:

This is untrue unless 24/7 servers happen to occur in groups of 3s. Think about it for a sec before spouting the same old party line rhetoric…
Also, happening to have Oceanic guilds on your server is not working together. Its winning due to sheer coincidence and 99% of players in this game did no pre-game strategizing. Are they SUPPOSED to be screwed now?

Totally incorrect. The top 3-4 US servers all pre-formed alliances with off peak guilds. Other servers are now trying to do the same in order to catch up.

It is no coincidence that the organised alliances are doing well.

TLDR of this thread:
Some, NA players lose during their bed times, and cry for ANet to do something about it.
Other NA players, who respect all, knew WvW would be 24/7 and they worked and coordinated to get some oceanic players on their servers.

Roland Falantyr.3290:

Firefly.4165:

Roland Falantyr.3290:

Of course you want to keep the status quo. Right now, U.S primetime is completely meaningless and the entire game is decided by Australians logging in during their primetime.
Most of us U.S players are just asking for U.S primetime and Aussie primetime to be equal in terms of point contribution to the final score since all-capping the map is mysteriously (sarcasm) so much easier during the aussie primetime…

Who is really being selfish here?

Anet Intended this game to be a 24/7 Global event. A global community is required to work together in order to progress. If you don’t have a global community on your server, you will then face others that are in the same position. Build your community. And don’t ignore Asians either. Time to accept the facts.

So if your server is not global.. you will face other not global servers.. and the fun times will return.

This is untrue unless 24/7 servers happen to occur in groups of 3s. Think about it for a sec before spouting the same old party line rhetoric…
Also, happening to have Oceanic guilds on your server is not working together. Its winning due to sheer coincidence and 99% of players in this game did no pre-game strategizing. Are they SUPPOSED to be screwed now?

I rather face the facts and the boundary conditions that are logical. People choose to be where they are. It’s not a coincidence that the oceanics DECIDED to be on an unoffical oceanic server. All this takes planning and organizing. Lots of it. Clearly something you would realize with research. They put in the effort, and then co ordinated with other guilds. That is why the top ranked servers are where they are. Time to smell the roses.

I could scarcely believe my eyes when I saw how much QQ was in this forum. I feel pity for whomever has to moderate it and read this dribble day after day.

Nerfing other time zones is just the beginning of some of the garbage I’ve read in here.

seems at the moment there is no easy solution. pointing fingers and raging, as good as it makes many of us feel sometimes (myself included lol), does not appear to be solving anything… as much as we may like it to xD

the entirety of the major issues being debated having to do with WvW on these
forums, all of it… from glitches and exploits to alleged shady political maneuvering by influential player groups to mechanics that seem to some to be odd or out of place… and yes, differences in time zones affecting the scoring system… all of these things boil down to balance issues. a lack of balance in WvW.

no one wants to feel like they are fighting an uphill or losing battle due to things beyond their best efforts.

it’s not those who play during a time when the majority of the servers would not be, they want to play and do their best like everyone else, and are catching grief for it. it’s not their fault, they just want to play guild wars. that is their uphill battle.

it’s not those who play primarily during the times when the server WvW populations are at peak. they, too, want to do their best like everyone else, and a score or territory deficit due to things those players have no control over gives the feeling that they did not play well/that it would take more than they have to give to stay on even footing territorially. that is their uphill battle.

i love guild wars. both of them. my sincere wish in these situations is that these things come to be reconciled. AN means to be a company based on building communities, and has done a marvelous job of it with guild wars 2 in many aspects. it’s a shame in the case of WvW that there is so much division….

I see both sides of the debate here, what is really interesting is the lack of response from the Devs and what feedback or solution they can give to resolve this issue.