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If I’m at home I do not waste time in forums.

I’d like to note I didn’t not “start” this rumor of people transferring off of SF, I just brought it (while noting several times that it was ONLY a rumor and my thread is back up if you’d like to see it). It was a discussion in our /team chat the other night in Eternal Battleground. People were wondering were SoR’s population surge came from, a few individuals were saying 3 guilds transferred off of DH (but couldn’t give names) and so did some from SF. Please read the thread thoroughly before you bring up that I was starting the rumor, I was just asking about it. That way, by my asking, I can stop the rumor from spreading further on DH when I see it in /team chat.

There is no SoR population surge. Same people here every day. So the root of the problem here is your false wondering.

If someone was going to transfer why would they transfer to a mid tier is beyond me. This is rumour and nothing more. You will probably see more people from SoR as the next few weeks progress and more people hit 80. I know of a lot of players that just didnt want to do WvW without being 80 first despite my attempts to encourage them to join in the fun.

Ever since SoR’s hard work grinding for a lead vs DH nightcaps our current server seems to be consistently participating because we are winning. People like to play when they are winning. It’s ok though SoR will be moving out of this tier to a more challenging matchup at the end of this week and it should even the skill level back out.

Maybe You can identify yourselves here Sanctum Rallers?

The main thing I’ve noticed, is on all 3 sides of the match is 99% don’t know how to defend, repair, and upgrade. I’ve been where SoR had a keep, got attacked, had 2 gates and 2 walls down. Repelled the attackers, and everyone ran on, to attack the other keep DH had. Without repairing.

When all 3 servers do that, then of course you leave yourselves open to be attacked by 5 people, and lose even a keep.

Morning time (NA morning) SoR and DH have people. But neither upgrade towers/keeps and it’s like a clock of people taking and recapping places which were taken. Over night there are some nice fights, but it’s the same thing.

My 4 man team got to DH’s Bay keep lord room, before 8 defenders even came to kill us. (As we had the lord down and were capping.) Now had the keep been upgraded at all, it wouldn’t have been nearly as simple, as place 1 ram, resupply, and place a catapult to take a wall down.

Though the sportsmanship, and some fights are very nice. So far, I am enjoying the server change my guild and I did, and getting to know new enemies/friends.

Then again, we came from SBI, so things seem at a much slower pace then what I am used to.

This, by the way is what happens when you guys decide to give up just because you’re losing against Sanctum of Rall.

When we got our kitten together, we became a steamroller. Darkhaven and Sorrow’s Furnace became a new road for us to pave over.

And then we painted it blue.

Paradoxical the necromancer on SoR here. Great job tonight everyone. I’m honestly surprised how many people we had on graveyard shift.

Ah great, the boasting again >.>

Can we have gracious winners? I don’t recall a single SF player bragging about winning. Anyhow, great match but it’s no longer competitive. What do you all think the next set of matches will be?

well playing against a server who only play wvw at night it’s not competitive anymore (yeah! you sanctum of rall) u dont barely have ppl when everyone is on en wvw

you just farm at nights … no competitive spirit there

Isredel.4302:

This, by the way is what happens when you guys decide to give up just because you’re losing against Sanctum of Rall.

When we got our kitten together, we became a steamroller. Darkhaven and Sorrow’s Furnace became a new road for us to pave over.

And then we painted it blue.

Actually, the main reason (at least on DH) that people are no longer going in is the rampant talk of SoR players flying, logging while downed, using the teleport bug, etc…

Screenshots courtesy of another player from SF none the less. Both servers know what’s happening…

No point Soj, every time someone claims SoR people hacked into a tower, everyone runs around shouting it was a Mesmer that waited inside. Tbh, that’s ridiculous, anyone being honest with themselves knows it just doesn’t happen that often, and it’s not like Dh players don’t look around keeps/towers after we take them. We may not be the best at sweeping towers/keeps/whatever, but we’re not completely blind, and it happens with insane frequency. These two facts together, I feel, show that the most likely explanation is that sometimes (not always) entrance is gained through less then legal means.

Anyhow, it’s just a few bad apples. Though Sojou’s point is correct, a lot of Darkhaven players (right or wrong) feel that SoR has cheated their way into many of our holdings, which has demoralized us hugely.

Arius.7031:

No point Soj, every time someone claims SoR people hacked into a tower, everyone runs around shouting it was a Mesmer that waited inside. Tbh, that’s ridiculous, anyone being honest with themselves knows it just doesn’t happen that often.

And why can’t it? Maybe the tunnel-visioned, “Follow the leader” type players/sheep at Darkhaven are just really bad at scanning their newly-taken keeps for Mesmers.

Billy Mcfloy.4830:

Ever since SoR’s hard work grinding for a lead vs DH nightcaps our current server seems to be consistently participating because we are winning. People like to play when they are winning. It’s ok though SoR will be moving out of this tier to a more challenging matchup at the end of this week and it should even the skill level back out.

Might not move out of the tier. It depends on how the other servers do, you might just end up moving one rank, which would just swap your place with SF and result in the same matchup again.

Honestly, DH doesn’t sweep or at least doesn’t know enough hiding spots. I can frequently hide in half the buildings in the the borderlands and not get caught.

Unless you actively see people flying or speedhacking, its not fair to assume hacking is taking place.

Isredel.4302:

Arius.7031:

No point Soj, every time someone claims SoR people hacked into a tower, everyone runs around shouting it was a Mesmer that waited inside. Tbh, that’s ridiculous, anyone being honest with themselves knows it just doesn’t happen that often.

And why can’t it? Maybe the tunnel-visioned, “Follow the leader” type players/sheep at Darkhaven are just really bad at scanning their newly-taken keeps for Mesmers.

I can’t speak from experience as to if SoR has hackers, but if it was a hacker, I don’t blame the whole server. But it is still unfair and unreasonable to expect people to scan for “hackers”.

Also Mesmers who wait inside after a keep was flipped for example is completely legit, but as it stands Mesmers can also use portals to exploit and bypass gates from the outside which could make them just as wrong as a hacker.

@Isredel
I didn’t say it couldn’t be simply Mesmer portaling, I said that it’s more likely that at least some of them have gained access illegally, due to the insane amount of times this has happened. It has happened to us a lot, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to say you guys have a Mesmer on hand and in the tower/keep that often. It could be another way, but what’s the more reasonable conclusion? That your server is perfect, stashes Mesmers in tons of towers/keeps, and that we just happen to never ever find your guys (even though I’ve personally found multiple people)?

@Foresight
Many Darkhaven players have shouted (simultaneously) that they’ve witnessed all sorts of cheating, from hacking to exploiting entry into our towers. It’s not uncommon for you to be in WvW, and suddenly see multiple people shout things like “Did you guys see that? They cheated to get in!” all at the same time. More than that, SF members have separately claimed to have seen the exact same thing on more than one occasion. It’s not just Dh that thinks this.

I’m not saying that it’s impossible SoR is entirely innocent of any form of cheating. I’m saying it’s unreasonable to suggest that is is.

Dinks.2478:

Isredel.4302:

Arius.7031:

No point Soj, every time someone claims SoR people hacked into a tower, everyone runs around shouting it was a Mesmer that waited inside. Tbh, that’s ridiculous, anyone being honest with themselves knows it just doesn’t happen that often.

And why can’t it? Maybe the tunnel-visioned, “Follow the leader” type players/sheep at Darkhaven are just really bad at scanning their newly-taken keeps for Mesmers.

I can’t speak from experience as to if SoR has hackers, but if it was a hacker, I don’t blame the whole server. But it is still unfair and unreasonable to expect people to scan for “hackers”.

Also Mesmers who wait inside after a keep was flipped for example is completely legit, but as it stands Mesmers can also use portals to exploit and bypass gates from the outside which could make them just as wrong as a hacker.

Except it doesn’t count as an exploit in any way shape or form. Not only that, but you can counter the strategy by sweeping for Mesmers after taking a keep. SoR may have a few hackers, but we’re actually very good sports about them and do what we can to report them on our side. When we get them, they are quickly noticed and reported.

Arius.7031:

@Isredel
I didn’t say it couldn’t be simply Mesmer portaling, I said that it’s more likely that at least some of them have gained access illegally, due to the insane amount of times this has happened. It has happened to us a lot, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to say you guys have a Mesmer on hand and in the tower/keep that often. It could be another way, but what’s the more reasonable conclusion? That your server is perfect, stashes Mesmers in tons of towers/keeps, and that we just happen to never ever find your guys (even though I’ve personally found multiple people)?

@Foresight
Many Darkhaven players have shouted (simultaneously) that they’ve witnessed all sorts of cheating, from hacking to exploiting entry into our towers. It’s not uncommon for you to be in WvW, and suddenly see multiple people shout things like “Did you guys see that? They cheated to get in!” all at the same time. More than that, SF members have separately claimed to have seen the exact same thing on more than one occasion. It’s not just Dh that thinks this.

I’m not saying that it’s impossible SoR is entirely innocent of any form of cheating. I’m saying it’s unreasonable to suggest that is is.

To be fair, there are many players who are unaware or don’t understand the use of portals. To them, seeing a bunch of invaders in their towers must be puzzling. On the otherhand, I’m not saying SoR is completely devoid of hackers. I, myself, saw a click-teleporting character last week. However, the actions of a few individuals whom the server has no control of should not tarnish the server’s reputation. There are hackers on all servers, but they do not represent the entirety of their servers.

@Foresight

Can you describe the ‘click-teleporting’ to me? I’m always curious about all this so called hacking that is going on. I WvW a LOT, and have yet to encounter anyone who was obviously hacking. That said, I tend to avoid the zerg when I can, so perhaps that is the difference.

Regarding the click hacking, the reason I ask is because I play a S/P thief, and also have various shadowstep/return utilities. Someone who doesn’t know the thief class and/or that particular spec could mistake it for hacking. Just curious…

aarias.4016:

@Foresight

Can you describe the ‘click-teleporting’ to me? I’m always curious about all this so called hacking that is going on. I WvW a LOT, and have yet to encounter anyone who was obviously hacking. That said, I tend to avoid the zerg when I can, so perhaps that is the difference.

Regarding the click hacking, the reason I ask is because I play a S/P thief, and also have various shadowstep/return utilities. Someone who doesn’t know the thief class and/or that particular spec could mistake it for hacking. Just curious…

The click-teleporting is where users are able to instantly teleport to any location they can click on. It looks a bit like lag to people who aren’t aware. Depending on whoever is using it, it could be very obvious (jumping across the map), or discrete (small leaps every few seconds)

It was quite obvious. I am a mesmer. The hacker was a mesmer. The hacker was holding an orb. So I obviously could tell that it wasn’t any mesmer skills, coupled with the fact that you are limited to orb skills while holding the orb means that class skills were out of question.

And I’ve played other classes and can recognize the difference between hacking and skills.

Isredel.4302:

Dinks.2478:

Isredel.4302:

Arius.7031:

No point Soj, every time someone claims SoR people hacked into a tower, everyone runs around shouting it was a Mesmer that waited inside. Tbh, that’s ridiculous, anyone being honest with themselves knows it just doesn’t happen that often.

And why can’t it? Maybe the tunnel-visioned, “Follow the leader” type players/sheep at Darkhaven are just really bad at scanning their newly-taken keeps for Mesmers.

I can’t speak from experience as to if SoR has hackers, but if it was a hacker, I don’t blame the whole server. But it is still unfair and unreasonable to expect people to scan for “hackers”.

Also Mesmers who wait inside after a keep was flipped for example is completely legit, but as it stands Mesmers can also use portals to exploit and bypass gates from the outside which could make them just as wrong as a hacker.

Except it doesn’t count as an exploit in any way shape or form. Not only that, but you can counter the strategy by sweeping for Mesmers after taking a keep. SoR may have a few hackers, but we’re actually very good sports about them and do what we can to report them on our side. When we get them, they are quickly noticed and reported.

Keep ignoring everything I say until it sounds good to you. There are currently classes that can use buggy skills to bypass the gate even if they’ve never been inside. THIS IS AN EXPLOIT. If a mesmer does it, then they put a portal down and let everybody in, they are cheating.

Foresight.2056:

aarias.4016:

@Foresight

Can you describe the ‘click-teleporting’ to me? I’m always curious about all this so called hacking that is going on. I WvW a LOT, and have yet to encounter anyone who was obviously hacking. That said, I tend to avoid the zerg when I can, so perhaps that is the difference.

Regarding the click hacking, the reason I ask is because I play a S/P thief, and also have various shadowstep/return utilities. Someone who doesn’t know the thief class and/or that particular spec could mistake it for hacking. Just curious…

The click-teleporting is where users are able to instantly teleport to any location they can click on. It looks a bit like lag to people who aren’t aware. Depending on whoever is using it, it could be very obvious (jumping across the map), or discrete (small leaps every few seconds)

It was quite obvious. I am a mesmer. The hacker was a mesmer. The hacker was holding an orb. So I obviously could tell that it wasn’t any mesmer skills, coupled with the fact that you are limited to orb skills while holding the orb means that class skills were out of question.

And I’ve played other classes and can recognize the difference between hacking and skills.

Fair enough. I didn’t mean to sound condescending, I just know that my own character has a wealth of shadow steps and shadow returns, combined with a ‘teleport’ ability on my shortbow. I’m sure that inexperienced PvP (WvW) players would look at the play style of some thieves and conclude that something fishy was going on.

When hacking is known to occur in a game, people tend to jump to conclusions and think they see it everywhere.

Elthurien.8356:

No, it’s not. But you keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

Having gamed with a lot of SoR in previous games, including gaisocks, I know to expect SoR to be very organized, they were last week too. The numbers increase however has occurred, regardless of what pile of sand you wish to put your head in. Lots of new guilds running groups, couple guilds I recognize from being on SF last week, and suddenly now we are seeing crud behaviour from SoR that was unseen in three previous match-ups. I like to think that’s the transfer crowd.

Whatever lets you sleep at night I guess, gaisocks always did have estimation issues when it came to rvr

Niim.9260:

Elthurien.8356:

No, it’s not. But you keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

Having gamed with a lot of SoR in previous games, including gaisocks, I know to expect SoR to be very organized, they were last week too. The numbers increase however has occurred, regardless of what pile of sand you wish to put your head in. Lots of new guilds running groups, couple guilds I recognize from being on SF last week, and suddenly now we are seeing crud behaviour from SoR that was unseen in three previous match-ups. I like to think that’s the transfer crowd.

Whatever lets you sleep at night I guess, gaisocks always did have estimation issues when it came to rvr

Just a tip, its Gaiscíoch

Dinks.2478:

Isredel.4302:

Dinks.2478:

Isredel.4302:

Arius.7031:

No point Soj, every time someone claims SoR people hacked into a tower, everyone runs around shouting it was a Mesmer that waited inside. Tbh, that’s ridiculous, anyone being honest with themselves knows it just doesn’t happen that often.

And why can’t it? Maybe the tunnel-visioned, “Follow the leader” type players/sheep at Darkhaven are just really bad at scanning their newly-taken keeps for Mesmers.

I can’t speak from experience as to if SoR has hackers, but if it was a hacker, I don’t blame the whole server. But it is still unfair and unreasonable to expect people to scan for “hackers”.

Also Mesmers who wait inside after a keep was flipped for example is completely legit, but as it stands Mesmers can also use portals to exploit and bypass gates from the outside which could make them just as wrong as a hacker.

Except it doesn’t count as an exploit in any way shape or form. Not only that, but you can counter the strategy by sweeping for Mesmers after taking a keep. SoR may have a few hackers, but we’re actually very good sports about them and do what we can to report them on our side. When we get them, they are quickly noticed and reported.

Keep ignoring everything I say until it sounds good to you. There are currently classes that can use buggy skills to bypass the gate even if they’ve never been inside. THIS IS AN EXPLOIT. If a mesmer does it, then they put a portal down and let everybody in, they are cheating.

Mmm’no it isn’t. You can say that it is until you’re blue in the face but doesn’t matter because hiding a mesmer in a keep to pop a portal down is a valid strategy for quickly recapping keeps from sheep players who don’t bother to look around for any stragglers.

So far, I have yet to even hear a whisper of a single person being warned, let alone banned for using the portal this way.

I notice a trend that whichever server currently has the points lead draws the ire of everyone else: hacks, nightcapping, zergs, population imbalance etc.

This is the same SoR that was in 2nd and 3rd place last match, and 2nd most of this current one. The WvW queues aren’t any longer than they were last week. Good luck to everyone through Friday reset.

Spartyr.6795:

I notice a trend that whichever server currently has the points lead draws the ire of everyone else: hacks, nightcapping, zergs, population imbalance etc.

This is the same SoR that was in 2nd and 3rd place last match, and 2nd most of this current one. The WvW queues aren’t any longer than they were last week. Good luck to everyone through Friday reset.

It has nothing to do with you guys winning. It was a great match up last week. It has everything to do with the numerous reports of people flying over tower walls, teleporting in, etc… It’s also incredibly odd that the MOMENT these things started to happen it went from being another close WvW matchup to what was posted above, 100% map coverage. People quit going in, not because we were losing, but because it’s pointless to try and defend anything when people are flying over capping your towers, or when people are teleporting around.

It’s not your whole server obviously, but it only takes 5 or so people like that to completely ruin the fun for everyone (except the people on the winning side apparently).

Good fight tonight from everyone. We painted the mists blue for a while there and it looks like we ruffled some duck feathers. Can someone post an updated map in a couple of hours? I’d love to see what happens in the next few hours while I’m sleeping. Just as I logged off it looked like some Red and Green were starting to creep back.

Foresight.2056:

Arius.7031:

@Isredel
I didn’t say it couldn’t be simply Mesmer portaling, I said that it’s more likely that at least some of them have gained access illegally, due to the insane amount of times this has happened. It has happened to us a lot, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to say you guys have a Mesmer on hand and in the tower/keep that often. It could be another way, but what’s the more reasonable conclusion? That your server is perfect, stashes Mesmers in tons of towers/keeps, and that we just happen to never ever find your guys (even though I’ve personally found multiple people)?

@Foresight
Many Darkhaven players have shouted (simultaneously) that they’ve witnessed all sorts of cheating, from hacking to exploiting entry into our towers. It’s not uncommon for you to be in WvW, and suddenly see multiple people shout things like “Did you guys see that? They cheated to get in!” all at the same time. More than that, SF members have separately claimed to have seen the exact same thing on more than one occasion. It’s not just Dh that thinks this.

I’m not saying that it’s impossible SoR is entirely innocent of any form of cheating. I’m saying it’s unreasonable to suggest that is is.

To be fair, there are many players who are unaware or don’t understand the use of portals. To them, seeing a bunch of invaders in their towers must be puzzling. On the otherhand, I’m not saying SoR is completely devoid of hackers. I, myself, saw a click-teleporting character last week. However, the actions of a few individuals whom the server has no control of should not tarnish the server’s reputation. There are hackers on all servers, but they do not represent the entirety of their servers.

I agree totally. In my original post (the one above the on you responded to I think), I was very clear to state that it’s just a few bad apples. A person was giving his thoughts on why Dh had become so inactive in WvW, that reason (he suggested) was due to people thinking SoR had hacked. I would agree to an extent, many Dh players think that’s true, regardless of if it is true or not. We get multiple accusations, each usually witnessed by multiple people, every single day, of people claiming that SoR had cheated, many times from our most experienced and recognized commanders.

A huge problem here that I’ve noticed, that personally bugs me, is that Dh members tend to respond to accusations with apologies or saying it doesn’t represent our server, whereas SoR members tend to respond with excuses or denials. I actually had an SoR player, claim that SoR has never cheated under any circumstance. That’s the problem here, many of them refuse to even apologize if it’s true, whereas Darkhaven players do that constantly.

Spartyr.6795:

I notice a trend that whichever server currently has the points lead draws the ire of everyone else: hacks, nightcapping, zergs, population imbalance etc.

This is the same SoR that was in 2nd and 3rd place last match, and 2nd most of this current one. The WvW queues aren’t any longer than they were last week. Good luck to everyone through Friday reset.

I do agree with you to an extent, but it’s not the case in this specific match up. There were people shouting in map chat that this was happening when Dh was quite a ways ahead of SoR.

We ninja’d your garrison while you assaulted Dreaming Bay tonight. Right under your nose. I’m expecting accusations of hacking because of how quickly we took it. Luckily I recorded the whole thing.

Good night all. When life keeps giving you lemons.. make lemonade.

As the guild leader of an active WvW Darkhaven guild I can tell you the reason PD wasn’t in the fight yesterday was because my two kids had baseball games last night and I didn’t get home until late.

Simply put, we don’t care about the score. We don’t care about the hackers or exploiters. We’ll be out there tonight and we’ll give you hell while we are there. SoR has played a great round and they deserve credit. If DH players are giving up because of the score, they have no heart.

Elthurien.8356:

We ninja’d your garrison while you assaulted Dreaming Bay tonight. Right under your nose. I’m expecting accusations of hacking because of how quickly we took it. Luckily I recorded the whole thing.

Good night all. When life keeps giving you lemons.. make lemonade.

Heh, you’re talking to Darkhaven members! We’re night cappers, we know what it’s like to take a place quick, trust me :P. Anyhow, good night, sleep well.

DH player here, member of ZZZZ.

Couple things worth pointing out. First, there are hackers on Darkhaven. Four times now I have seen enemy keeps fall before we breached their inner gates/walls. In two of those cases we were already going to take the keeps(IE I was at an inner gate with rams and people and few defenders around). I was close enough to see three green dots capping each keep lord before we could get in. I tried to get in fast enough to spot names or guilds, but they were gone before I could get close. No one has taken credit for hacking the keeps, and no seems to know who it is.

I want to know so I can report them to high heaven and get them off my server. I don’t care about losing, but cheating? I care about that. So to any DH players out there, help me find the scum giving our server a bad name. Two keeps fell to the hackers last night, my guild ZZZZ was in zone with several groups when it happened, and we just decided to leave to another borderlands, rather than defend hacked keeps and perhaps become associated with those cheaters. Not fun.

Second, all the cheating and hacking is annoying, but let us not delude ourselves. The standings and score would still be largely similar regardless of cheating. SoR has pulled out all the stops and is outmanning and out organizing DH at almost all hours. Last night during primetime hours 6-11pm PST, there was zero queue time for any DH wvw map. In many of the borderlands we had the outnumbered buff for almost the entire night. DH wvw has collapsed since our strong showing sunday. To a large extent because our primary commander known to some as “The Half Naked Norn” recieved an IP ban due to language. Rumors fly about SoR and SF reporting him and getting him banned, but I have no idea about the validity of that. But the fact remains that our most active and successful leader is out of the fight for now. To make it worse he is a driving force in DH’s biggest and only real wvw alliance, and that alliance now seems fairly intent on just sitting out the rest of the match-up(with a few exceptions, looking at you commanders W and Y).

And it isn’t just that, we had three DH guilds recently abandoned the server because our daytime wvw presence was lacking. Pah quitters.

Oh well, at least it all makes for good drama.

Last night I had a lot of fun. SoF had a bit of an epiphany (or at least the main active leaders at that time) about dealing with trebs firing on SM from the DH keep. Acting out that strategy with a small group of players was a lot of fun and really showed me what organized play can be like.

<- Plainview, btw.

The sudden surge of participating players in Rall did affect the outcome of this match-up. But also the decline in participation of DH players sealed the fate of this week’s match. Not only that, our server had guilds transfer and from a full server, we just get a high population status.

Almost the entire night yesterday (prime time NA) we had the outmanned buff. So server transfers are also killing whats killing WvWvW for us.

First off, thank you all for participating, no matter the server, as it has been an extremely enjoyable and insightful experience for me and many others. I have been in the battle actively ever since we first clashed two weeks ago, and it is very heartening to see that our organisation and teamwork has improved tremendously over the course of the battle. I am greatly encouraged by our improvements since last week, and am looking forward to our next matchup.

Regarding the issue with hackers and exploits, let me reiterate this statement: we do NOT condone such actions. If anyone is caught hacking, we WILL report them, regardless of who they are. I find it a great shame that people are discouraged from playing WvW because of reported hacking. Even when our server witnessed hacking first hand, we were incensed, but continued fighting. Personally, the battle is lost only when you give up.

Once again, thank you SF, DH and SoR for the great match, and I hope that the matches coming round the bend will have even more in store for all of us!

Excellent work this week Sanctum of Rall, we have really stepped up our game as individual players as far as communication, upgrading, repairing, placing siege, and just really being aware and dedicated competent players. Now that we have reached our potential after learning from the first weeks since release maybe we will move into a more challenging matchup. Keep up the good work.

Caliburn.1845:

DH player here, member of ZZZZ.

Couple things worth pointing out. First, there are hackers on Darkhaven. Four times now I have seen enemy keeps fall before we breached their inner gates/walls. In two of those cases we were already going to take the keeps(IE I was at an inner gate with rams and people and few defenders around). I was close enough to see three green dots capping each keep lord before we could get in. I tried to get in fast enough to spot names or guilds, but they were gone before I could get close. No one has taken credit for hacking the keeps, and no seems to know who it is.

I want to know so I can report them to high heaven and get them off my server. I don’t care about losing, but cheating? I care about that. So to any DH players out there, help me find the scum giving our server a bad name. Two keeps fell to the hackers last night, my guild ZZZZ was in zone with several groups when it happened, and we just decided to leave to another borderlands, rather than defend hacked keeps and perhaps become associated with those cheaters. Not fun.

Second, all the cheating and hacking is annoying, but let us not delude ourselves. The standings and score would still be largely similar regardless of cheating. SoR has pulled out all the stops and is outmanning and out organizing DH at almost all hours. Last night during primetime hours 6-11pm PST, there was zero queue time for any DH wvw map. In many of the borderlands we had the outnumbered buff for almost the entire night. DH wvw has collapsed since our strong showing sunday. To a large extent because our primary commander known to some as “The Half Naked Norn” recieved an IP ban due to language. Rumors fly about SoR and SF reporting him and getting him banned, but I have no idea about the validity of that. But the fact remains that our most active and successful leader is out of the fight for now. To make it worse he is a driving force in DH’s biggest and only real wvw alliance, and that alliance now seems fairly intent on just sitting out the rest of the match-up(with a few exceptions, looking at you commanders W and Y).

And it isn’t just that, we had three DH guilds recently abandoned the server because our daytime wvw presence was lacking. Pah quitters.

Oh well, at least it all makes for good drama.

Well its good to see someone owning up to the fact that there are hackers on their server for the good of the game. Im sure every server is going through this issue and ill be actively working on finding these guys on any server and sending reports of finding the exploit to Anet can drop the hammer accordingly.

But in regards to ZZZZ your a good bunch of players and ive actually can tell you guys apart by build now and i gotta say HC has had some great times duking it out you you in open field and in sieges, and its always a close fight, with us both taking wins and losses.

Also there is a scepter and dagger ele that I keep somehow finding 1v1 out in the fields at the most random points and its always to the wire, so props to him and if you know who that is tell him the Charr warrior from HC in all Vigil armor is coming for that kitten :P

The was some insane SF necro at Danelon Passage wed night who held off our little attack team almost single handed. At least we held onto Quentin Lake against a SF horde.

While I’ve enjoyed the last 2 match ups with SF and DH, if we get you guys again after the reset, I’m going to be really unhappy.

I must say that whatever SoR is doing this week, unfortunately is it ruining my experience in WvWvW (a personal problem, you guys are just doing what the game is intended for, and that is to capture everything you can), But it sucks that I cannot log on and even hope to take/hold anything due to the massive amounts of SoR running around.

I don’t see how their numbers could be so bolstered without receiving a bit of transfers, they never seemed have had this many people out before, but what do I know, I am just some guy.

So saying that you don’t have transfers seems fishy to me, but its ok to deny that fact, I still give you guys props for winning. but don’t lie about how you guys are winning, Darkhaven’s WvWvW numbers have seriously declined and SoR have increased. I played last week, I saw who all was out there, I remember how even it was and how un-even it is now.

So I am not saying SoR cheats, I am not saying that they are only winning because they zerg, I mean, they are pretty organized I will give them that, but the server transfers are, at least in my opinion, is what is ruining..literally…everything wvwvw related across all servers in guildwars2.

Its not SoR fault that Darkhaven doesn’t want to pvp. It’s not SoR fault that people transfer to their server (or perhaps it is, guild leaders talking to other guild leaders getting them to transfer there). But the overarching issue is the fact that transfers are still free and can be done every day. It isn’t anyone’s fault but Arenanet. They could fix the issue that would help lead to a more balanced WvWvW, at least a stable balanced WvWvW, because as we have seen this week, there are bandwagon jumpers, and when you pair servers based on population, then allow everyone transfer basically whenever they want, the whole point of pairing servers based on population/points kinda goes out the window.

Either way, good job SoR, you have killed the enjoyment of WvWvW this week for me (but hey thats my personal thing, you guys are just doing your job and winning), so such is life. If we are paired with you guys as well as sarrow’s furnace next week, I am not sure what I will do, play it by ear but if I cannot enjoy WvWvW due to “whatever” is happening (lack of my server organiziation/players, enemy realms or my own realm exploiting/hacking/cheating, or just massive server transfering of people leading to a lack of people on my side playing and overwhelming numbers on the opposition’s side) then there is no point to play the game when all I am doing is getting spawn camped. I like my friends I have made on darkhaven and don’t want to server transfer, but it is definitely frustrating, lol, which sucks because I play a game to have fun, and frustration isn’t fun! (maybe I just need to take a break from wvwvw and not care)

But again…good job SoR, whatever you are doing (being super organized, convincing people to transfer to your server, convincing your pve-ers to join pvp, cheating, hacking, exploiting, dancing, eating donuts, whatever.) good work. I know what it is like to dominate in the way you guys are, but I also found it boring that there was no competition and to own everything, “almost” as boring as not being able to capture anything :P. I say almost because when you are winning, being bored is OK, but when losing, and so badly..well..just insult to injury :P

Good luck next week if we all are lucky enough to be paired with different servers! (well Darkhaven and Sarrows Furance might be happy to have a new pairing, SoR might be happy to pound us into the dirt again :P)

Isredel.4302:

Dinks.2478:

Isredel.4302:

Dinks.2478:

Isredel.4302:

Arius.7031:

No point Soj, every time someone claims SoR people hacked into a tower, everyone runs around shouting it was a Mesmer that waited inside. Tbh, that’s ridiculous, anyone being honest with themselves knows it just doesn’t happen that often.

And why can’t it? Maybe the tunnel-visioned, “Follow the leader” type players/sheep at Darkhaven are just really bad at scanning their newly-taken keeps for Mesmers.

I can’t speak from experience as to if SoR has hackers, but if it was a hacker, I don’t blame the whole server. But it is still unfair and unreasonable to expect people to scan for “hackers”.

Also Mesmers who wait inside after a keep was flipped for example is completely legit, but as it stands Mesmers can also use portals to exploit and bypass gates from the outside which could make them just as wrong as a hacker.

Except it doesn’t count as an exploit in any way shape or form. Not only that, but you can counter the strategy by sweeping for Mesmers after taking a keep. SoR may have a few hackers, but we’re actually very good sports about them and do what we can to report them on our side. When we get them, they are quickly noticed and reported.

Keep ignoring everything I say until it sounds good to you. There are currently classes that can use buggy skills to bypass the gate even if they’ve never been inside. THIS IS AN EXPLOIT. If a mesmer does it, then they put a portal down and let everybody in, they are cheating.

Mmm’no it isn’t. You can say that it is until you’re blue in the face but doesn’t matter because hiding a mesmer in a keep to pop a portal down is a valid strategy for quickly recapping keeps from sheep players who don’t bother to look around for any stragglers.

So far, I have yet to even hear a whisper of a single person being warned, let alone banned for using the portal this way.

And you keep ignoring me, Because I’m not arguing about mesmers hiding in the keep. I’m arguing about them exploiting their way into the keep using their portals and then portaling people in.

My Opinion on our WvWvW seems to be different from most of my fellow server players. I don’t blame DarkHaven or Sanctum of Rall for anything. Why right should I have to be mad at them for having more players? Honestly I have really enjoyed PvPing against you guys. I think I prefer fighting against a zerg than just rolling over the server. Who cares if we lost? Maybe it means its time to get organized. I feel bad for Sanctum of Rall who has to “Enjoy” WvW by just running around and taking empty castles and keeps. That doesn’t sound like any fun and will soon become routine. For now though we should focus less on insulting our matchups and more and making ourselves better. The main difference between me and a player like slartiblartfast you ask? I dont Hot join WvW. I understand that Hot join gameplay isnt ideal atm so i dont do it. Every time i join WvWvW I have at least 30 ITM players backing me up. Organized Gameplay is so much more fun anyways. Maybe instead of Sorrows Furnace having 1000 5 player guilds, it should start making bigger guilds. Im not trying to tell people how to play, but I’m pretty sure the multiple guild function has a use of some sort.

Lastly I would like to congradualate SoR on its win, i dont see us catching up now. I would also like to make a point to those bragging about winning, “FIRST TIME BRO? BAD”. But to those gracious winners, Well fought, Well deserved, Was fun, Especially against GSCH who we somehow kept matching in the same borderlands night after night.

Slartibartfast.2170:

I must say that whatever SoR is doing this week, unfortunately is it ruining my experience in WvWvW (a personal problem, you guys are just doing what the game is intended for, and that is to capture everything you can), But it sucks that I cannot log on and even hope to take/hold anything due to the massive amounts of SoR running around.

I don’t see how their numbers could be so bolstered without receiving a bit of transfers, they never seemed have had this many people out before, but what do I know, I am just some guy.

So saying that you don’t have transfers seems fishy to me, but its ok to deny that fact, I still give you guys props for winning. but don’t lie about how you guys are winning, Darkhaven’s WvWvW numbers have seriously declined and SoR have increased. I played last week, I saw who all was out there, I remember how even it was and how un-even it is now.

So I am not saying SoR cheats, I am not saying that they are only winning because they zerg, I mean, they are pretty organized I will give them that, but the server transfers are, at least in my opinion, is what is ruining..literally…everything wvwvw related across all servers in guildwars2.

Its not SoR fault that Darkhaven doesn’t want to pvp. It’s not SoR fault that people transfer to their server (or perhaps it is, guild leaders talking to other guild leaders getting them to transfer there). But the overarching issue is the fact that transfers are still free and can be done every day. It isn’t anyone’s fault but Arenanet. They could fix the issue that would help lead to a more balanced WvWvW, at least a stable balanced WvWvW, because as we have seen this week, there are bandwagon jumpers, and when you pair servers based on population, then allow everyone transfer basically whenever they want, the whole point of pairing servers based on population/points kinda goes out the window.

Either way, good job SoR, you have killed the enjoyment of WvWvW this week for me (but hey thats my personal thing, you guys are just doing your job and winning), so such is life. If we are paired with you guys as well as sarrow’s furnace next week, I am not sure what I will do, play it by ear but if I cannot enjoy WvWvW due to “whatever” is happening (lack of my server organiziation/players, enemy realms or my own realm exploiting/hacking/cheating, or just massive server transfering of people leading to a lack of people on my side playing and overwhelming numbers on the opposition’s side) then there is no point to play the game when all I am doing is getting spawn camped. I like my friends I have made on darkhaven and don’t want to server transfer, but it is definitely frustrating, lol, which sucks because I play a game to have fun, and frustration isn’t fun! (maybe I just need to take a break from wvwvw and not care)

But again…good job SoR, whatever you are doing (being super organized, convincing people to transfer to your server, convincing your pve-ers to join pvp, cheating, hacking, exploiting, dancing, eating donuts, whatever.) good work.

Its the effect of winning, Players who normally don’t look twice at WvW will suddenly decide to play. Same with the opposite. Losing teams generally have a lower morale and won’t even show up to the fight.

Slartibartfast.2170:

I must say that whatever SoR is doing this week, unfortunately is it ruining my experience in WvWvW (a personal problem, you guys are just doing what the game is intended for, and that is to capture everything you can), But it sucks that I cannot log on and even hope to take/hold anything due to the massive amounts of SoR running around.

I don’t see how their numbers could be so bolstered without receiving a bit of transfers, they never seemed have had this many people out before, but what do I know, I am just some guy.

So saying that you don’t have transfers seems fishy to me, but its ok to deny that fact, I still give you guys props for winning. but don’t lie about how you guys are winning, Darkhaven’s WvWvW numbers have seriously declined and SoR have increased. I played last week, I saw who all was out there, I remember how even it was and how un-even it is now.

The reason it seems like SoR is zerging is because of the little numbers SF and DH have, making it seem like the force you are facing is that much bigger. You said DH numbers have declined and that’s all it is right there. Not that they have declined AND our numbers have went up. If that were true our force would be giant.. but it’s usually 20 people and at prime times when 2 servers ARE actually on at the same time it’s about the same amount of players. It’s because your side is currently demoralized and SoR is on top which keeps the PVErs interested and participating too.

When DH lost the lead it wasn’t sudden, it was neck and neck and as they slowly went into second less and less people started playing. If SoR wasn’t in the lead i’m sure less of the PVErs or carebears would not be consistently participating but that’s the way it is. The way I see it is SoR has already won this week and DH/SF have quit now we are just riding out the week.

As for transfers I doubt anyone would want to randomly transfer to this mid ranking match up, if anything they would go to the more popular higher ranking ones. Trust me i would also much like to see a more even match next week. Winning to the point where the enemy no longer wants to play is not much fun for us competitive players either.

Billy Mcfloy.4830:

The reason it seems like SoR is zerging is because of the little numbers SF and DH have, making it seem like the force you are facing is that much bigger. You said DH numbers have declined and that’s all it is right there. Not that they have declined AND our numbers have went up. If that were true our force would be giant.. but it’s usually 20 people and at prime times when 2 servers ARE actually on at the same time it’s about the same amount of players. It’s because your side is currently demoralized and SoR is on top which keeps the PVErs interested and participating too.

When DH lost the lead it wasn’t sudden, it was neck and neck and as they slowly went into second less and less people started playing. If SoR wasn’t in the lead i’m sure less of the PVErs or carebears would not be consistently participating but that’s the way it is. The way I see it is SoR has already won this week and DH/SF have quit now we are just riding out the week.

As for transfers I doubt anyone would want to randomly transfer to this mid ranking match up, if anything they would go to the more popular higher ranking ones. Trust me i would also much like to see a more even match next week. Winning to the point where the enemy no longer wants to play is not much fun for us competitive players either.

You make some very good points, I didn’t think about our lack of numbers making your numbers look bigger, very good point. Just so much speculation and rumors about people xfering to your guys server, its hard to dismiss or not think about it.

And I definitely agree, when one side is winning, more people come play, especially the non-pvp type of people. I have heard it from my own guild, from people on my own server when I ask in PvE for more people to join. (The thing I hear is, “Oh we are winning, well heck I want to come out then!”)

And you are right, it was neck and neck, then once the slide happened, it turned into a landslide that we couldn’t stop. Now it seems to be like pulling teeth to get people to turn out, and when they do, and when we get rolled by SoR, they leave immedietly.

I know not many people will randomly xfer to mid population servers, but if guilds talked to other guilds from other servers and got them to transfer.. then thats one thing, and also, if people do randomly transfer to SoR, it is probably coming from Darkhaven/Sarrows Furnace, lol, but that happens to any server when the one server is dominating.

But yea..very good points, helped to put it in perspective. Cheers.

Ptk.2736:

Maybe You can identify yourselves here Sanctum Rallers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2XbXeu36ac

Nice, Here you might Identify yourself aswell

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/DH-vs-SF-vs-SoR-Video-Clip-Series

2 Video for u