Guild Wars 2

I welcome our new transfers, in particular, MERC and ND. Those of us that play EU and NA EST and have been since launch are glad to see our coverage hole finally filled. Blackgate has seen tier 1 twice now and been pushed out with out crumbling. Only server so far that can claim that. And now back to finding some good fights!

Resonance.4216:

Heck I was on SoS from the Beta till I saw where it was going. Home will be a server where the players feel that they’re having fun.

Problem is….. you only have fun only when your server is winning and losing for like 2-3 weeks is already not fun? the prospect that your server will drop down to t2 and you’ll be be stuck for playing in t2 is not fun? why do you play www again?

Oh well, i guess someday in the future IF Blackgate is doing poorly and still getting stomped by JQ then you will feel not having fun and start looking for new “home” again, rinse and repeat until you bored and quit the game.

Isaac.6041:

Transferring is not the smartest move in my opinion.

You’re paying ArenaNet to transfer all your characters to another server. And by the way that service used to free.

You could have simply bought another account and created new characters on your new home world. It’s about the same cost.

So you can stay in your old world and experience the new world at the same time.

Server transferred aren’t meant to be free. It was free bcoz guesting wasn’t implemented at that point of time. Server transfer has been planned to be a paid service from day 1.

Jeknar.6184:

I stopped reading at that point…

It’s a shame you stopped reading at that point, especially when I had said right after it ‘Let me explain’. Had you kept reading you would know I don’t blame ArenaNet, if anything, I blame us, the WvW community.

Beldar.6234:

1. OP thinks that paid server transfers will ruin WvW. The logic is pretty much fail in that category.
2. Albeit in a very polite way, he/she is raging about apparently still being on the SoS Titanic as it continues it’s slow slide into the icy waters of the WvW community.

Your post is quite misinforming.

1) I never said ruin. I stated there was a precedence, and a bad one at that.
2) No I’m not on SoS and it’s a shame you don’t have more respect for your former allies.

Im from SOS and im glad we’re finally dropping out of T1, the atmosphere is toxic and a lot of guilds come here with sole purpose of winning instead of having fun. When you have to stop roaming to help cap a tower or keep, you know it’s bad for the game.

Omne.4603:

I’m not from Kaineng, but I think that people should transfer there. Kainengs the best do it up.

/cheer Thanks for the plug! I’ve always said that NSP and Os were class acts.

/salute

I’m pretty much done with asking people to sit on a treb for an hour pressing 2 or worse, getting into siege dead locked treb wars with 4 swirling winds eles on both sides, extending this chore ad infinitum.

If thats what it takes to win, its not worth it. Theres no faster way to hemorrhage players than to expect them to do stuff like this every day and gain no benefit from it. You don’t improve as a player, there is no test of intellect or ability. There is no significant material reward for doing it. It is for all intents and purposes, utterly pointless.

Attrition is the worst thing about this game by a long way. I really don’t care about spying or cheating or whatever. Its the mentality that dictates when you get into a competitive deadlock, the principle objective is to destroy your opponent’s will to continue playing the game. Traditionally it has been by recruiting until you can replenish losses to attrition war faster than your opponents can. It is fundamentally anti competitive in my humble opinion, since the most creative and skilled players are not made in that kind of environment.

Those players grow in an environment that encourages friendly rivalry, sparring on a level playing field and learning from failure because failure is a necessary step in the learning process. You must fail over and over again so you that when you succeed, you understand why and what it means.

What I don’t understand is the mentality of people who transfer out of a toxic attrition war with apparently the sole intention of helping another server get straight back into it (except hopefully with more numbers so attrition wears you down slower than your opponents). Its a never ending cycle. With players now openly offering to pay for transfer fees and recruitment threads beginning to plague the forums again with blind self promotion, its like the people involved in perpetuating this sorry PR game don’t know how to play any other way.

Jeknar.6184:

So, no, i’m not welcoming the SoS players…

I wouldn’t welcome them either, they’re just going to make you completely dominate T1 or they’re gonna get mad they still can’t win and leave and go somewhere else. They’ve already shown their true colors when the chips are down.

Pride in a metal/plastic server box is silly, lol.

Jeknar.6184:

Churchill.8714:

People join your server and you trash talk them?

Yes, Blackgate is already enough of a bandwagon… Now we get a lot more of bandwagoners from the biggest of the old Bandwagons, ruining even more the old blackgate… I miss the days when we had no big guilds and the community was all around medium-small sized guilds helping each other.

So, no, i’m not welcoming the SoS players…

That is ridiculous considering that all the guilds that transferred are the same ones that brought SoS to tier 1. Don’t welcome us, but don’t brag when Blackgate hits t1 and an even match up with JQ begins

Bedstain.6735:

That is ridiculous considering that all the guilds that transferred are the same ones that brought SoS to tier 1. Don’t welcome us, but don’t brag when Blackgate hits t1 and an even match up with JQ begins

I think this is important – much like the T8 threads that we continually see, T1 is in sorta the same boat. JQ needs a server that can compete with it (preferably two, but that may be asking too much). Right now, BG is the best bet for that imo, and it’s only possible through transfers. As strong as BG was before, I’m not sure how well they would stack up against JQ’s coverage – now, they have a much more well-rounded team to field.

Additionally, we see numerous threads that refer to stale matchups as well. Waiting for ANet to change up the rating system likely won’t result in any meaningful change – while transfers will shake things up, exactly as most of those threads are trying to do.

Transfers have their place.

SoPP.7034:

If you have recently transferred, then be happy where you are. Place pressure on those that make the changes if you are unhappy sometime in the future. But don’t transfer, in the long run, the WvW community does not benefit, those that don’t care about WvW do.

Respect

reality is that no one person has the right to tell others how to play a game. they play the way they need to, to have fun.

i am sorry that people are apparently hurt now that guilds chose what they felt was the best for THEIR members. if the server doesn’t make members of guilds happy.. the guild has to work towards that end.

no one on sos complained when the NA guilds arrived to plug the time gap. transfers were ok then. matter of fact.. they were actively recruiting. how were people suppose to get there…. but by transfers. seems quite hypocritical now that people chose a different path, to say that transfers are bad.

my guild was on the battlefield every day …no matter what. thats we do. we are a WvWvW focused guild and we were told thats the type of server we were transferring to.

i can assure you we have not changed, but the server has. it was never about scores, it was about the fight. sos can say what they like, but a server that can advocate that its ok to drop tiers because the fight is too hard, certainly cant blame others for leaving. we like a difficult fight, but we are not going to give up and we want to be with people who feel the same way.

we appreciate our friends greatly who have fought along side of us and those who continue to do so.

I think the person that called it “coverage wars” was right. Everyone wants to think its their tactics that win, but for most servers it really comes down to having enough players 24/7.

Personally I would prefer an even match up so that you knew you won because you played better that day or that week, but Wv3 isn’t designed to be fair. How many guilds will choose to do the new guild missions and spend less time in Wv3? That can have a huge impact, its just the way of it.

Bedstain.6735:

Jeknar.6184:

Churchill.8714:

People join your server and you trash talk them?

Yes, Blackgate is already enough of a bandwagon… Now we get a lot more of bandwagoners from the biggest of the old Bandwagons, ruining even more the old blackgate… I miss the days when we had no big guilds and the community was all around medium-small sized guilds helping each other.

So, no, i’m not welcoming the SoS players…

That is ridiculous considering that all the guilds that transferred are the same ones that brought SoS to tier 1. Don’t welcome us, but don’t brag when Blackgate hits t1 and an even match up with JQ begins

Blackgate reached T1 TWICE without your help… But I don’t care anymore… I’ve already a new home to have fun with it… Happy T1 for you.

zaniix.9074:

I think the person that called it “coverage wars” was right. Everyone wants to think its their tactics that win, but for most servers it really comes down to having enough players 24/7.

Personally I would prefer an even match up so that you knew you won because you played better that day or that week, but Wv3 isn’t designed to be fair. How many guilds will choose to do the new guild missions and spend less time in Wv3? That can have a huge impact, its just the way of it.

I doubt that many guilds will do that… Most guilds that do serious Wv3 doesn’t give a kitten about PvE stuff. They have their own PvE’er team to do that while they fight on Wv3.

I cant hate on transferring anymore.

Especially if you have to pay to do it now.

Mind your own business and let them transfer. Something big and personal to the guild must have went down to cause an entire guild to pay their way out to integrate with another community.

Who would choose to remain in a guild that says “Hey guys, things are getting rough, so we want you to all pay $20 to transfer to the FotM server of our choice so we can group insta-gib outnumbered noob squads without a challenge.”

Because that is what it boiled down to pretty much.

SoS would be competitive in Tier 2 if all those guilds hadn’t fled. A few weeks of getting owned by the JQ uberhorde again and those guilds will be abandoning BG, too. I’m looking forward to experiencing balanced WvW wherever we finally settle, rather than the no strategy culling zergs of Tier 1.

Revenge goes both ways in servers.

JQ wants to stack up and then tell the world they own when they are composed of guilds from many server? Then they want to act like they own the place when fighting SoS due to their stacked nature…

SoS was extremely smart.
Rather than actually let themselves fall they decided to teach JQ a lesson by actually taking their alliance and going to the next up and coming Tier 2 server.

Now JQ doesn’t have the lead anymore…and they are feeling it as well as the old SoS.

This is a proof that anet can make Paid Transfers a reality but it will not stop the most dedicated of the dedicated from playing in the highest tier that they believe that they deserve. Once the top guilds drop from their high horse into Tier 2 they have to say they no longer are the best.

That will not happen, better to run to Tier 1 and continue the good fight.

Oh watch it..

When JQ, SoR or BG fall down from Tier 2, I can see all the mass transfers going to the Tier 2 servers to have their day in Tier 1.

Stack Wars 2 is a fun game….or should we call it Queue Wars 2?
Its Stackgate vs Stack Quarry I feel bad for SoR for being in the middle and for SoS losing so much on it ;(

Cuchullain.3104:

Who would choose to remain in a guild that says “Hey guys, things are getting rough, so we want you to all pay $20 to transfer to the FotM server of our choice so we can group insta-gib outnumbered noob squads without a challenge.”

Because that is what it boiled down to pretty much.

SoS would be competitive in Tier 2 if all those guilds hadn’t fled. A few weeks of getting owned by the JQ uberhorde again and those guilds will be abandoning BG, too. I’m looking forward to experiencing balanced WvW wherever we finally settle, rather than the no strategy culling zergs of Tier 1.

You don’t really need to spend 20 bucks since you can pay that in gold too… I’ve brought my transfer with ingame currency (gold). And I’m sure the hardcore guys can make it easy, since i know some that have 2-3 toons with commander tags without ever leaving WvW (either that or they spend a lot of dollars on the game).

Star.2037:

i am sorry that people are apparently hurt now that guilds chose what they felt was the best for THEIR members.

No ones hurt, at least not me. But you did nail the point of my post exactly by stating that it was a case of each for their own.

Star.2037:

if the server doesn’t make members of guilds happy.. the guild has to work towards that end.

Again highlighting things perfectly, why not consider all this prior to GEM transfers?

Star.2037:

i can assure you we have not changed, but the server has.

This was never disputed.

Star.2037:

it was never about scores, it was about the fight. sos can say what they like

The score doesn’t matter at all? How did the fight change? At what point did SoS become ‘them over there’ and no long ‘we and us’, when they gave up the fight? At what point was that? Do you feel that you are being subjective?

I find your statements fascinating and you managed to highlight many of my points perfectly.

Star.2037:

i am sorry that people are apparently hurt now that guilds chose what they felt was the best for THEIR members. if the server doesn’t make members of guilds happy.. the guild has to work towards that end.

This is the core issue with transferring. I don’t blame guilds for doing what they think is best for the group, but it’s my observation that virtually every guild that has left SoS has made a hasty decision after no more than one night of consideration. Some spent no more than two bloody hours discussing it. Some let groupthink skew their decision making process. Many have, or still have yet to transfer to servers that will be in the same predicament SoS was in no more than a month or two, and those that are still playing will probably repeat the same process of poor decision making.

ET and HoD will be glad to receive SoS among the ranks…