Wow, so complicated on something we already have. We have wvw were no pve should be up, and we have EotM were all the pve players which have lots of pve mixed with some open pvp and all those tomes of knowledge farmers do also have a spot here without messing up wvw as they do now.
Yeah, “so complicated” because what he had and have is a completely messy WvW if you haven’t noticed…
EotM is a pvp map with a mixed group of players just like WvW. There is no more “PvE” in EotM than WvW, and if you think so, then please run down the list of them instead of just commenting.
There are a plethora of ways PvP can be done in mmos, anets current design is by far not the holy grail in competitive gaming. Nor has PvP here received even 1/10th of the development that PvE has.
It’s obvious you didn’t bother to read the suggestion.
I really don’t care what you think you know about what i read and did not read. It is rather silly that you are trying to tell me something you have no knowledge about.
I gave a very valid answer to the topic and consider wvw is my first game mode were i play for hours every day and have for over 4 years i would say i have some knowledge about it and there for wrote down what i though about it.
It might be that you don’t like it what i wrote, and that is ok, i can live with that, but my answer is still very valid just as anyone elses is
Wow, so complicated on something we already have. We have wvw were no pve should be up, and we have EotM were all the pve players which have lots of pve mixed with some open pvp and all those tomes of knowledge farmers do also have a spot here without messing up wvw as they do now.
Yeah, “so complicated” because what he had and have is a completely messy WvW if you haven’t noticed…
EotM is a pvp map with a mixed group of players just like WvW. There is no more “PvE” in EotM than WvW, and if you think so, then please run down the list of them instead of just commenting.
There are a plethora of ways PvP can be done in mmos, anets current design is by far not the holy grail in competitive gaming. Nor has PvP here received even 1/10th of the development that PvE has.
It’s obvious you didn’t bother to read the suggestion.
I really don’t care what you think you know about what i read and did not read. It is rather silly that you are trying to tell me something you have no knowledge about.
I gave a very valid answer to the topic and consider wvw is my first game mode were i play for hours every day and have for over 4 years i would say i have some knowledge about it and there for wrote down what i though about it.
It might be that you don’t like it what i wrote, and that is ok, i can live with that, but my answer is still very valid just as anyone elses is
You didn’t provide any valid answers to this topic at all. You are saying “what’s the problem? We have pvp in wvw and pve in EotM so it’s all good”…
If you are that experienced then you should know wvw has massive issues. WvW did ok for a year and a half. The other year and a half has been a mess. Your lack of looking at the game modes objectively shows too, and I’m hard pressed to see where you even read the suggestion at all judging by the shallowness of your response.
Again, all you are saying is “Wvw is good. Eotm is pve. The system is fine”… None of what you said was accurate at all. There is no more “PvE” in EotM than there is WvW so that’s incorrect as well.
You seem to be missing all the emergency dev interventions to salvage WvW. They have a huge mess on their hands that won’t be fixed long term.
Also, what are you going to do when huge chunks of the pvp population start bailing to other rvr games in the works? Are you going to say it’s all good when you have mostly dead servers across the board?
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Wow, so complicated on something we already have. We have wvw were no pve should be up, and we have EotM were all the pve players which have lots of pve mixed with some open pvp and all those tomes of knowledge farmers do also have a spot here without messing up wvw as they do now.
Yeah, “so complicated” because what he had and have is a completely messy WvW if you haven’t noticed…
EotM is a pvp map with a mixed group of players just like WvW. There is no more “PvE” in EotM than WvW, and if you think so, then please run down the list of them instead of just commenting.
There are a plethora of ways PvP can be done in mmos, anets current design is by far not the holy grail in competitive gaming. Nor has PvP here received even 1/10th of the development that PvE has.
It’s obvious you didn’t bother to read the suggestion.
I really don’t care what you think you know about what i read and did not read. It is rather silly that you are trying to tell me something you have no knowledge about.
I gave a very valid answer to the topic and consider wvw is my first game mode were i play for hours every day and have for over 4 years i would say i have some knowledge about it and there for wrote down what i though about it.
It might be that you don’t like it what i wrote, and that is ok, i can live with that, but my answer is still very valid just as anyone elses isYou didn’t provide any valid answers to this topic at all. You are saying “what’s the problem? We have pvp in wvw and pve in EotM so it’s all good”…
If you are that experienced then you should know wvw has massive issues. WvW did ok for a year and a half. The other year and a half has been a mess. Your lack of looking at the game modes objectively shows too, and I’m hard pressed to see where you even read the suggestion at all judging by the shallowness of your response.
Again, all you are saying is “Wvw is good. Eotm is pve. The system is fine”… None of what you said was accurate at all. There is no more “PvE” in EotM than there is WvW so that’s incorrect as well.
You seem to be missing all the emergency dev interventions to salvage WvW. They have a huge mess on their hands that won’t be fixed long term.
Also, what are you going to do when huge chunks of the pvp population start bailing to other rvr games in the works? Are you going to say it’s all good when you have mostly dead servers across the board?
And you are writing yet another reply were you are telling me what i know and don’t know and not only that you also add things i have never even said and you even have the stomach to say it as if it is the truth. shakes my head
So let me make this perfectly clear for you.
1. I am very aware of what issues WvW have. I also am aware of the work going on around wvw and have for a few months now. Unlike you i move on and i don’t stay behind in past, complaining about it, even though both you and i know that the devs are now working towards solving issues that we have adressed.
It might be that you don’t like their ideas, that is fine, i don’t like all of them either, how ever, most of the imporvements done so far are going in the right direction. It is not perfect, and i expect them to keep on working on it the way they started a while back to get back to pair with what we, the wvw players, wants wvw to be.
Also you describe wvw as empty. I don’t have a empty wvw. The wvw in EU and the top 10 servers are very intense. We have many servers that are so full that they are not even linked and.
The linked servers have got a lot of happy players that want to move to our server when it opens up again because they enjoy the wvw we can provide, so everall the linking is a good thing, but i also understand that it is not for all people and that is ok. We can’t please all, and why a-net asks for 75% now, before they are making choices.
My wvw are also back to guild raiding on the alpine borderlands with que on all the borders just like before. I know this because i am one of the guilds that are back to raiding after a long time were we waited for WvW to change. We did hours of wvw still, but we did not raid. Now we do.
Does it mean it is perfect and all is great? No there are still issues that have been adressed and that will be worked on, and i also expect to keep a open comunication with devs.
Now with this said, i still disagree with the topic starter. I don’t like the idea and i don’t see that it will give any impact on our wvw that i want to have or want to be a part of. Especially since it is already there in EotM.
I prefer for the devs to work on night cap and other important things that i feel is what will make wvw more interesting.
Now with this i am ending my part of the discussion, and what ever your answer is i will refer you back to this message.
Have a really great evening
After reading through the entire thread I think I clicked "+1" on every or almost every post Sich wrote. Agree with him in just about everything he has said in this thread.
On the general idea of this thread, I like it quite a bit, and think it would be very interesting. But I too worry that it will simply be so much work that ANet will not consider it (or instead consider it for an Exp-pack or a new game entirely).
Do really love the ideas of having "grades" of maps to go to, that support each others, and functions as gateways to other maps:
Full PvP: EBG, ABL, EOTM, etc. No PVE at all, for the pure PVP entusiasts.
Hybrid PvPvE: the middle maps that work more like Open World PvP maps.
Safe Home PvE: Sort of like a server homeland, with citadels, and some pve events and enemies, to learn about Wvw objectives, claiming, upgrading, defending etc. While being a good way for players that doesn’t like PvP to get a taste.
These would really open up the game for more people (yes, also some trolls and gankers obviously), but I’d love to see it. Pity I probably won’t
PS: Swagger what you’re describing is the Alliance system (for servers etc), not actually MegaServer. Though they share some points and similarities.
After reading through the entire thread I think I clicked “+1” on every or almost every post Sich wrote. Agree with him in just about everything he has said in this thread.
On the general idea of this thread, I like it quite a bit, and think it would be very interesting. But I too worry that it will simply be so much work that ANet will not consider it (or instead consider it for an Exp-pack or a new game entirely).
Do really love the ideas of having “grades” of maps to go to, that support each others, and functions as gateways to other maps:
Full PvP: EBG, ABL, EOTM, etc. No PVE at all, for the pure PVP entusiasts.
Hybrid PvPvE: the middle maps that work more like Open World PvP maps.
Safe Home PvE: Sort of like a server homeland, with citadels, and some pve events and enemies, to learn about Wvw objectives, claiming, upgrading, defending etc. While being a good way for players that doesn’t like PvP to get a taste.
These would really open up the game for more people (yes, also some trolls and gankers obviously), but I’d love to see it. Pity I probably won’t
PS: Swagger what you’re describing is the Alliance system (for servers etc), not actually MegaServer. Though they share some points and similarities.
Sich has some good comments and this discussion has been pretty healthy so far.
Thanks, I like the “grades” too the more I think about it. It helps to keep wvw churning and offers different playstyles. The more the merrier.
Yup, there are a few terms we could use, but it’s basically the same. Just looking to put servers together to form a 3 sided faction.
Let’s keep hoping the devs decide to make some strong investments into wvw.
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