Guild Wars 2

Offair.2563:

First people complain ( including me ) about the impossible to get acheivements. Now anet decides to lower them to more reasonable, maybe a bit too easy idk, and people going berserk about it being too easy.

Never good huh.

That wasn’t the point – the point is that we want something achievable that we still can be proud of – I’m still proud of “The Blazing Light” – because (for most) it took a real effort to get it.

SRG.3607:

2500 is way enough.
It really depends how you play : if you play often with a big zerk, killing yaks is really hard (they die in 0.25 seconds, only ppl at the head of the zerg can get credits for the kill) and there are no Yaks in EotM.

Then, quite frankly, you shouldn’t get it. It should be a title for roamers, not blobbers. You shouldn’t be able to get all the rewards for doing the most braindead part of wvw.

Jana.6831:

Quon Star.4678:

Do you guys think they will be changing the Edge of the Mist achievements too?

Are they hard to get?

No. You can complete all the eotm stuff in 2 months of casual karma training.

You guys are missing a crucial point here. 2500 is within grasp of anyone getting — but you’re not going to get it overnight. It’s not an insta-title. It will take time, especially if you’re starting from zero with a new account/new to game.

I would never have set foot in pvp zones prior to GW2. I got sucked in trying to get my map completion. And now I’m hopelessly addicted. The reason? I had to spend a significant amount of time in map to get what I wanted, and by being there I became curious about the mechanics and the team atmosphere.

Slapping 2500 yaks ensures that those new players will be in map a lot longer than a day or so. And it may just be enough time to make them realize that WvW is actually a lot of fun.

Jayne.9251:

You guys are missing a crucial point here. 2500 is within grasp of anyone getting — but you’re not going to get it overnight. It’s not an insta-title. It will take time, especially if you’re starting from zero with a new account/new to game.

I would never have set foot in pvp zones prior to GW2. I got sucked in trying to get my map completion. And now I’m hopelessly addicted. The reason? I had to spend a significant amount of time in map to get what I wanted, and by being there I became curious about the mechanics and the team atmosphere.

Slapping 2500 yaks ensures that those new players will be in map a lot longer than a day or so. And it may just be enough time to make them realize that WvW is actually a lot of fun.

So? we’re still here – and I still have to kill 200K more players to get ultimate dominator.
Btw: I had ~1,5 yaks after half a year running in a zerg – give new players AP for each K of yaks they slayed, a title if they dedicate themselves to roaming.

I want to know who at anet thought these were good numbers 3 years ago and it took this long to just now figure that out?

Haha even i have 2040 dolyak kills and i have killed maybe 10 dolyaks after EotM launch.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

• The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.

2500 for Yakslapper is just too low. I’m at 5900ish and I am proud to be working slowly toward 10k. It’s something I’ve been looking forward to earning over time. This nerf devalues that. It won’t feel special to folks unless they’re short of 2500 already.

IMO anybody can get 2500 in a few short months or faster. Heck, a player can easily kill 25 yaks a day (or more) and have this done in 100 days. A good roaming/havoc group kills 25 yaks in an evening. I can personally kill 10 or more an hour.

Admittedly, with the new desert BLs, travel times will go up and thus number of kills will go down. But still…2500 seems way too low.

A great title like Yakslapper should be unique and special.

sirjarros.4107:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

• The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.

IMO anybody can get 2500 in a few short months or faster. Heck, a player can easily kill 25 yaks a day (or more) and have this done in 100 days. A good roaming/havoc group kills 25 yaks in an evening. I can personally kill 10 or more an hour.

A great title like Yakslapper should be unique and special.

I have 2.5k dollies ESCORTED! Can I get a title for it? I mean it takes more time to escort a dolly than to kill it… I hope that list was only examples and not the full number tweaking changes..
(And true, I killed only 4.5k Dollies… SlacKing too much )

Tyler Bearce.3427:

For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.

• We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
• The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
• As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”

I have to say I am quite pleasantly stunned by this announcement. A very welcomed change. Not enough for me to take back every negative comment I’ve ever said (3 years of neglect is a lot to make up for) but keep it up and you guys might be able to restore my faith in your willingness to give WvW the attention it deserves.

LampGhost.9658:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.

• We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
• The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
• As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”

Make it reasonable, but not too easy… I have double those yaks killed already, im sure 90% of active wvwers have too.

Which is perfectly fine IMO, considering many have probably been playing for years. Compare it to the time it takes to get many pvp/pve achievements in which you often complete by accident.

“90% of active wvwers” should be getting most of the achievements.

A PvE’r that makes 5g a day is going to be able to outright buy a legendary in less than 2 years! Yea, I know legendaries aren’t achievements, but we’re talking that level of grinding.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.

• We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
• The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
• As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”

Great news! Thanks!

Reverence.6915:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

• The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.

Guess who’s getting a new title

I honestly think 2500 is a bit low though. I have just under 7000 yak kills and I know many people have way more than me as well. To put it in line with Ultimate Dominator, I think it should be at around 10k

Completely agreed, it’s exactly how I feel and what I’ve been telling my friends. As someone who mainly plays WvW, I think Yakslapper change is too drastic. 10k seems like an appropriate number (fyi I have 2,8k so)

Comparing the new values to placeholder values is a bit pointless. We knew 2 years ago that these numbers are placeholders. So calling it a nerf is somewhat inappropriate, too. You should consider it as fixing them to the intended values.

If anything I am suprised that they leave Ultimate Dominator alone considering how much harder it is to get lots of kills per evening compared to earlier metas and higher WvW population.

As someone who had always liked to track his stats too, I hope those who still play the game and also do get a way to do so after the fix. It’s a bit late though and reading the comment from the dev I rather hold my praises back till it launches.

Jana.6831:

Offair.2563:

First people complain ( including me ) about the impossible to get acheivements. Now anet decides to lower them to more reasonable, maybe a bit too easy idk, and people going berserk about it being too easy.

Never good huh.

That wasn’t the point – the point is that we want something achievable that we still can be proud of – I’m still proud of “The Blazing Light” – because (for most) it took a real effort to get it.

My point is and was to say that the achievements were impossible to get. Now Anet decides to lower the requirements ( a tad too low perhaps ) and its still not ok. Go get a f2p account, wait for new map and hunt 2.5k dollies there. See how fast you would get it there. There are still numerous of other wvw achievements around that are harder to get then this yakslapper alone, go hunt those instead.

Offair.2563:

My point is and was to say that the achievements were impossible to get. Now Anet decides to lower the requirements ( a tad too low perhaps ) and its still not ok. Go get a f2p account, wait for new map and hunt 2.5k dollies there. See how fast you would get it there. There are still numerous of other wvw achievements around that are harder to get then this yakslapper alone, go hunt those instead.

Why exactly would I need a F2P account for that?
I already told that I was at 1,5k dollies after half a year in a zerg – I didn’t roam back then. Half a year of roaming after that brought me to 6k in total and I am at 9,5 k (said 8,5 but that was wrong) right now – after 1,5 years of wvw with a lot of breaks.
I’m at 49k player kills, so I need another 3 years+ to get the Ultimate Dominator, wheras someone who runs with the zerg gets it after lets say 3 years total and yakslapper with that playstyle after about a year, although all they did was running with a zerg – so there’s no title for roamers who dedicate their time in ensuring and capping supply.

Edit: If it really gets harder to kill yaks with the “new” wvw, then I guess roaming is dead and we don’t need a title for that anyway but still; people who did nothing but running with the zerg will get it, unless all our scores are wiped.

Edit²: And actually I don’t get what we’re even arguing about – you yourself said “a bit too low maybe” and no one in this thread said otherwise or went berserk- I don’t really care whether or not yakslapper is lowered to 2,5k, but if everybody can get it without effort I will never use it – and that title has been a running gag on my first server, because back then we were up against Yak’s Bend for months (that’s why I know the numbers). Anet waited too long to lower the requirements and maybe it’s not really “fair” that they’re leaving Ultimate Dominator as it is -in comparison. And again, I’m not complaining.

Shakki.3219:

ppl going bronze / t8 incoming to farm yaks

on a serious note i think 2500 is just fine… people forget how long they actually needed for it.. i bet most people didnt even pay attention cuz they would never egt it anyways but on popular servers it might take more than a few months to get it which is already longer than any other achieve.

IMHO Yakslapper is a bit of a joke title not meant to be hard to get. So I don’t really see any issue with it.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers. At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.

• We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.
• The “Yakslapper” title will remain, but the requirement is being reduced to 2500 yaks.
• As an example title change: “Ultimate Liberator” will become “Kingmaker”

WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, finally a Dev Answer for that we have been waiting for years, tellign us that the achievements get finally rebalanced.

@ Tyler: Could you tell us please also whats about that “issue” I heard about from one of your programmers at Gamescom.
Hearing from you now these good news makes me believe that i kind of misunderstood there eventually something, or did you just found by now simply a solution to that “issue” abour wrogn data/lost data possible ect. ??

Could you also please maybe explain a bit more in detail, what this "rebalancing iwll mean for all of us?
Example:

1) Is there a possibility, that people will lose some AP?
2) Will just be all the existign achievements be rebalanced, or be replaced by rebalanced new Traits?, so that actually the current old ones would land then in anets trash can achievement Section called “Retired”, like you did it with the Minipet Collection achievements (won’t forget that!)
3) Which numbers actually do you consider “Reasonable”. 4 Digit, 5 Digits anywhere?
4) Will be there any general improvements to the WvW Reward System included, like for example ways to improve the Point Gain towards the chievements, like special WvW Weekend Events or so, where killing a yak could give you a much better progression toards yakslapper, than it normally would do?
Simply said, are there any plans in general to help to reduce also the achievement grind by improving the point progression somehow?

if you could answer some, or maybe all of these question,s I’d very appreciate that ^^ Thanks

fishball.7204:

2500 is way too low for yak slapper. I have over 8k yaks killed and I’m not a roamer/havoc squad type of person. At least make it 10k or yak slapper will be commonplace which really screws over the efforts of wvw players.

OMG, guys, stayon the ground of reason please..

People overhype here extremely right now, what is really “effort” because they are extreme kind of lifeless people which played the last 3 years too much either, or are compared to the BROAD MASS of the community WVW addicted players, which mostly play nothing else than WvW only and thus have naturalyl over the last 3 years gained much more points than most of the other players, which played over that time also PvE and PvP ..
Killing stupid dolyaks is no effort (at least now while its still so kitten easy to kill them)
But soon with Hot, it will become ALOT harder to kill dolyaks, to the point, that you will run even into INVULNERABLE VERY FAST Doyaks that you can’t kill anymor,e if the enemy has upgrade them to the max to ensure that their supply reaches their destination places

Don’t let that stupid discussion pop up here now, how disappointet you all are, because anet finally changes the way overexxagerated place holder titles now to somethign, that is reasonable for them to reach as an average WvW player.
They don’t make those changes just to please the WvW Nerds!

They make these changes to NORMALIZE the achievements to a point, where players can reach them in like a normal play time of say 2-3 years.
Remember that!! Plus consider also the changes they make to the defense section now finally, so its normal, that the numbers get more reduced, than you would have liked it, because progression on the achievements will become also with HoT mostly everywhere in the normal WvW Maps now harder, except for EotM I guess, because Defense will play with HoT from that point on a much bigger and more important role then, than ever before.

So please, for the sake of a good conversation and a non escalating peep storm of unendless senseless QQ and rants over the reductions, cause you put already over the last years more “effort” into WvW than the average player – just wait until HoT is out and you can see actually all the changes in action first.

We waited for these changes now for 3 years, give the Devs at least the respect to wait how all those changes play out, before you decide already, if the changes are good or bad for your own personal egos striking, yes?

Most of the out of WvW achievements, even hardest ones take less than a year of grinding. Open world – Slayer is annoying on giants only (1 long achievement which, if necessary you can grind out in a month). Bioluminescence is a week or two. Weapon Master is not overly long, just mind numbingly boring if you decide to grind it out. Dungeons – dungeon master is a matter of a week. The new one that requires every piece of gear from every dungeon is the only one that takes time. Yes there are a few categories which are annoying altogether (rare collections), but most achievement categories have one or two long ones, and the rest are doable in a few days.

Let’s be honest, any reasonable achievement system will award the achievements to the people way before they spend 2-3 years playing that game mode.

The highest lvl should be hard to get so at least 10k for Dolly.

Ultimate Dominator http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Obsidian_Sanctum_Farm
LOL the big joke
if the world had this one only because its achievements on farm as such will be his super unfair to remove the farm or fix Obsidian Sanctum
and also his very penalizing for my AP of the leaderboard in my case 4 leaderboard I am American and I with AP 28921 is the first global site thus passed the first
Europe and I still have 16 days Daily, how I hoped to have the 1st Place World leaderboard with 20 AP differences? I’ve finally found someone to farm the 250,000 kill but 2 players to kill 195,000 before HOT is’t not possibleI i can not even count on my other mcm success because of the large nerve to come.

La Deesse Feline.4572:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Obsidian_Sanctum_Farm

The person who wrote this Wiki entry … Really?

No
The page was last modified on 14 April 2015, at 19:51.
Too bad i didn’t see it before

Kraljevo.2801:

La Deesse Feline.4572:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Obsidian_Sanctum_Farm

The person who wrote this Wiki entry … Really?

I created that article, but the builds are outdated now.

Offensive WvW titles/achievents are pretty much worthless as long as you can get them 10x faster while K-training in EoTM without doing any real WvW.

Ultimate Dominator is a joke after hundreds of people farmed it in OS.

2500 Yaks is ok I guess. Even though some roamers are closing in on 10k, it’s still a lot and takes longer than pretty much any other pve/pvp title.

Which leaves the “x Keeps/Towers defended” as the only ones that show actual wvw experience and dedication.

Yaks I got over 10k offensive and defensive so 2,500 I find it low

Malediktus.9250:

Kraljevo.2801:

La Deesse Feline.4572:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Obsidian_Sanctum_Farm

The person who wrote this Wiki entry … Really?

I created that article, but the builds are outdated now.

How terrible that the builds are outdated; people would only be able get 1,995 kills per hour.

Really, it’s of course not you who is responsible, but this degrades the Ultimate Dominator title from:

“I am bad-kitten , enemies killing, living, breathing World versus World warrior that fought day and night for my server”

to:

“I am a farmer that wants to spend 125 hours doing pointless stuff which helps no one just to flash a title which is supposed to mean the opposite”

I will have far more respect for a 2,500 yak’s Yakslapper, because I will know that he/she actually had to do the stuff in WvW to get the title.

I really don’t care about Ultimate Dominator title, all I want its my 20 Ap to have and keep my first position on the leaderboard
But It’s not fair when they say
•We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a
status symbol.
And they kill all my other WvW achievement when saying
For Heart of Thorns, we are rebalancing the WvW Lifetime achievement requirements to much more reasonable numbers.
At the same time we’ll also be updating many of their associated titles.

Woopie. After 3 years, they finally decide to correct the numbers- but only as part of HoT, not before.

My guess is that the changes will break wvw with all sorts of weird things happening and lots of patches required before it stabilises in a couple of months time.

2,500 yaks is more than enough. A new players starting out will still take years to get there, given the increase in people that will be slapping them now the target is actually doable. Now make the achievement worth something, and repeatable, and there might finally be some targets to go for in wvw. Or do we have to wait another three years for that?

When I first wrote in this thread (3 weeks ago) I have been at 9450 killed yaks. I’m now at 9900. Granted I did some camp capping marathons to adjust my mouse settings.
My point still stands: Ultimate Dominator is a zerg runner title (nothing wrong with that), Yakslapper should be a roaming title.
It would be great when the amount of stuff which has to be killed reflected both playstyles as Ultimate Dominator is comparatively high.
There are 12 other titles, make the requirements for them low to keep new players.
(Sorry but yakslapper is in fact the only title I ever cared about).

I’d better get slapping those yaks, I checked and my second main a/c only has 1775- maybe I should play guard more, where you glance in the direction of something and it’;s tagged rather than staff ele where you need to smack it repeatedly to get any credit for a kill…

Tyler Bearce.3427:

• We are not changing the Realm Avenger (“Ultimate Dominator”) achievement requirements or title, as some players have actually obtained it and it’s a bit of a status symbol.

Status symbol???

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????

Congrats on OS farming each other? Congrats on being in gold tier? WHAT STATUS!?

(good changes, yak slapper is way too low though, atleast make it in line with kills and bring it to 7,500 – 10,000)

Have to agree, since that title was farmed it doesn’t mean much, but the devs comments once again reflect the lack of connection they have with what really happens in wvw. Maybe they should stop looking at metrics and actually talk to some real wvw players and be ingame a bit more often.

Jana.6831:

My point still stands: Ultimate Dominator is a zerg runner title (nothing wrong with that), Yakslapper should be a roaming title.
It would be great when the amount of stuff which has to be killed reflected both playstyles as Ultimate Dominator is comparatively high.

I agree. If Ultimate Dominator isn’t going to be changed, the amount of dolys killed for Yakslapper should be higher, too. I’m nowhere near getting Ultimate Dominator as I don’t run around in a zerg enough for that, but I have 10k+ dolyak kills. 2.5k kills for Yakslapper seems very, very low to me.

Have said before, do not lower these, just add sub-achievements to them instead at lower intervals and done. The fact that some of these have already been achieved by people farming is bad enough. Don’t make the situation worse by decreasing the requirements.

Well, as it turned out, I got all of them now, and I haven’t played for a year now. All of the new caps are pretty low imo; defend Stonemist 500 times – I was nearly at 5k. Oh well, so much for coming back to complete those…

I Deschain I.4623:

Well, as it turned out, I got all of them now, and I haven’t played for a year now. All of the new caps are pretty low imo; defend Stonemist 500 times – I was nearly at 5k. Oh well, so much for coming back to complete those…

What do you want, keep them impossible to get for eternity?

Looking at your post history I’m not surprised to see such a comment for you. Never did I say that, but as mentioned earlier somewhere in this thread I kinda assumed that they’ll be too casual. Was looking forward to get into the game again hunting for the ones I still need and was therefore hoping for well balanced achievements somewhere between reachable but not ASAP. But hey, talking to a wall here…

Malediktus.9250:

Kraljevo.2801:

La Deesse Feline.4572:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Obsidian_Sanctum_Farm

The person who wrote this Wiki entry … Really?

I created that article, but the builds are outdated now.

how to make a valuable title of wvw knowledges look like nothing… thanks to you man! i’m so happy that i made my 250.000 not following that bulls**t guide

I have been playing on a med tier server and got 135 K to 140 K kills on my warrior and I should be among the top of my server. This was one of my goal to get the Ultimate dominator since that title meant something but now with that post it lost most of it’s meaning. They should just nerfed it now to 10k kills.

I am glad Anet followed my suggestions for new achievement values relatively close in most cases.