Guild Wars 2

There is no abstract entity called “JQ” that can be called to repent, change it’s ways and so on. There are only Jade Quarry PLAYERS, all individual entities, each of them equal and free, part of the team.

We, the players, are not “loyal subjects” of the TS or website admins, which some of you call wrongly “leadership”. They just provide a service. Anyone can step up and provide an alternative service, if those already in place are bad (no ideea honestly). Why would anyone let a realm die, because some service providers? Nobody else want to do the work of setting up an alternative service, create rules, and then pay for? Then be blamed for not pleasing one guild or the other, when they start fighting over rules? Always someone will want it done differently.

The world around us is not always perfect — we can run away and look for another place… or stay and fight, to make it a better home.

Tried stay and fight – doesn’t work like many others have already said….
Anyone trying to help is shot down, trolled – not listened to and rebuked.

TBH – JQ is getting what it deserves right now.

I read your “statements” on JQ forums, dear TPMN. And they weren’t constructive or in any way polite and still you wondered why people didn’t react in a polite way to your childish insults? And after leaving there, you start the same here and “blame” the JQ community because you know that most of them won’t ever read the public forums.

That’s exactly what I expected after your flame war on JQ forums.

Best thing about this thread is the fact that so many of the players who left JQ for the bandwagon YB and TC are writing here about their problems with JQ while their behaviour on JQ was a big part of the problems.

Ooh – so here it begins here..

So asking what happened to our NA and how they want easy fights and cant fight ACs and act like noobs when our SEA has no problem?

And calling out the Fact that NA just gave up – or seemed to when a ‘FULL PUSH’ was called and they lost something like 12-15K tick when the EU held it together. No-one from NA seemed to turn up – or if they did they got ROFL Stomped by the enemies as PPT would have not accounted for that big a loss. It was PPK.

Do you want me really to copy the entire shoutbox thread here – which proves people like MORB were basically trolling and being rude directly?

I’m not blaming the JQ Community – just agreeing with a few individuals how people are feeling – it proves the point time and time again.

gebrechen.5643:

I read your “statements” on JQ forums, dear TPMN. And they weren’t constructive or in any way polite and still you wondered why people didn’t react in a polite way to your childish insults? And after leaving there, you start the same here and “blame” the JQ community because you know that most of them won’t ever read the public forums.

That’s exactly what I expected after your flame war on JQ forums.

Best thing about this thread is the fact that so many of the players who left JQ for the bandwagon YB and TC are writing here about their problems with JQ while their behaviour on JQ was a big part of the problems.

So, you saw the part where he got trolled for asking why the NA timezone lost a huge chunk of wvw score?

mmk.
Suspect these posts will get moderator nuked here though.

gebrechen.5643:

I read your “statements” on JQ forums, dear TPMN. And they weren’t constructive or in any way polite and still you wondered why people didn’t react in a polite way to your childish insults? And after leaving there, you start the same here and “blame” the JQ community because you know that most of them won’t ever read the public forums.

That’s exactly what I expected after your flame war on JQ forums.

Best thing about this thread is the fact that so many of the players who left JQ for the bandwagon YB and TC are writing here about their problems with JQ while their behaviour on JQ was a big part of the problems.

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ. And of course, as people decided they had enough and left, the crap talking about that person or guild began from these leaders instead of them stepping back and saying “hey we might have a problem here”. Meanwhile these people creating the problems are looked at as pillars of the community. It is always someone else’s problem, not ours, correct? Well now it is JQ’s problem.

gebrechen.5643:

I read your “statements” on JQ forums, dear TPMN. And they weren’t constructive or in any way polite and still you wondered why people didn’t react in a polite way to your childish insults? And after leaving there, you start the same here and “blame” the JQ community because you know that most of them won’t ever read the public forums.

That’s exactly what I expected after your flame war on JQ forums.

Best thing about this thread is the fact that so many of the players who left JQ for the bandwagon YB and TC are writing here about their problems with JQ while their behaviour on JQ was a big part of the problems.

Who are " So Many?" and " Whose" behavior are you discussing?. I didn’t see many players posting in this thread that went to YB or TC, nor many whose behavior was ever an issue.. with anyone. You really should clarify this statement.

Devils Toy.9205:

gebrechen.5643:

I read your “statements” on JQ forums, dear TPMN. And they weren’t constructive or in any way polite and still you wondered why people didn’t react in a polite way to your childish insults? And after leaving there, you start the same here and “blame” the JQ community because you know that most of them won’t ever read the public forums.

That’s exactly what I expected after your flame war on JQ forums.

Best thing about this thread is the fact that so many of the players who left JQ for the bandwagon YB and TC are writing here about their problems with JQ while their behaviour on JQ was a big part of the problems.

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ.

Exactly this !!

We tried over numerous attempts over several years – to point things out.. and got trolled every single time and shot down.

So if people are looking at my recent ‘thread’ – you really don’t know the history of what I’ve been trying to say over years to JQ.

TPMN.1483:

Ooh – so here it begins here..

So asking what happened to our NA and how they want easy fights and cant fight ACs and act like noobs when our SEA has no problem?

And calling out the Fact that NA just gave up – or seemed to when a ‘FULL PUSH’ was called and they lost something like 12-15K tick when the EU held it together. No-one from NA seemed to turn up – or if they did they got ROFL Stomped by the enemies as PPT would have not accounted for that big a loss. It was PPK.

Do you want me really to copy the entire shoutbox thread here – which proves people like MORB were basically trolling and being rude directly?

I’m not blaming the JQ Community – just agreeing with a few individuals how people are feeling – it proves the point time and time again.

When you try and do everything you can during your shift and turn around and NA loses everything every time, it starts to get old after a while when they refuse to address the problems even exist and do not want to allow anyone to help resolve it.

Just a couple of guilds should not have to run 24/7 outside of their shift pulling massive overtime to make up for what others were not doing. TBH, I feel bad for those right now doing exactly that because we know exactly how they feel and have been doing the same for a long time now. You just can’t keep running like that though, if you never get the help you need no matter how many times you plea for it, you have to say " when" at some point.

lil devils x.6071:

TPMN.1483:

Ooh – so here it begins here..

So asking what happened to our NA and how they want easy fights and cant fight ACs and act like noobs when our SEA has no problem?

And calling out the Fact that NA just gave up – or seemed to when a ‘FULL PUSH’ was called and they lost something like 12-15K tick when the EU held it together. No-one from NA seemed to turn up – or if they did they got ROFL Stomped by the enemies as PPT would have not accounted for that big a loss. It was PPK.

Do you want me really to copy the entire shoutbox thread here – which proves people like MORB were basically trolling and being rude directly?

I’m not blaming the JQ Community – just agreeing with a few individuals how people are feeling – it proves the point time and time again.

When you try and do everything you can during your shift and turn around and NA loses everything every time, it starts to get old after a while when they refuse to address the problems even exist and do not want to allow anyone to help resolve it.

Just a couple of guilds should not have to run 24/7 outside of their shift pulling massive overtime to make up for what others were not doing. TBH, I feel bad for those right now doing exactly that because we know exactly how they feel and have been doing the same for a long time now. You just can’t keep running like that though, if you never get the help you need no matter how many times you plea for it, you have to say " when" at some point.

The fact that you guys even had people doing OT for that long was an indicator of deep and serious issues. Why do you think BG ‘hibernates’ for months at a time, pushing just enough to stay where we want to be? Doing that kind of OT is so meaningless for a game like this.

You guys should’ve just let your coverage unfold naturally but instead chosen to put in OT shifts to play for a meaningless metric. Instead of simply trying to have fun, you guys turned it into a job. Those of you who put in those hours are even more at fault for the current state of JQ since it masked the rot in JQ that’s been spreading there since mid 2013 when Waha quit the game, rather than letting it play out and fixing the problem as a community then.

Reverence.6915:

lil devils x.6071:

TPMN.1483:

Ooh – so here it begins here..

So asking what happened to our NA and how they want easy fights and cant fight ACs and act like noobs when our SEA has no problem?

And calling out the Fact that NA just gave up – or seemed to when a ‘FULL PUSH’ was called and they lost something like 12-15K tick when the EU held it together. No-one from NA seemed to turn up – or if they did they got ROFL Stomped by the enemies as PPT would have not accounted for that big a loss. It was PPK.

Do you want me really to copy the entire shoutbox thread here – which proves people like MORB were basically trolling and being rude directly?

I’m not blaming the JQ Community – just agreeing with a few individuals how people are feeling – it proves the point time and time again.

When you try and do everything you can during your shift and turn around and NA loses everything every time, it starts to get old after a while when they refuse to address the problems even exist and do not want to allow anyone to help resolve it.

Just a couple of guilds should not have to run 24/7 outside of their shift pulling massive overtime to make up for what others were not doing. TBH, I feel bad for those right now doing exactly that because we know exactly how they feel and have been doing the same for a long time now. You just can’t keep running like that though, if you never get the help you need no matter how many times you plea for it, you have to say " when" at some point.

The fact that you guys even had people doing OT for that long was an indicator of deep and serious issues. Why do you think BG ‘hibernates’ for months at a time, pushing just enough to stay where we want to be? Doing that kind of OT is so meaningless for a game like this.

You guys should’ve just let your coverage unfold naturally but instead chosen to put in OT shifts to play for a meaningless metric. Instead of simply trying to have fun, you guys turned it into a job. Those of you who put in those hours are even more at fault for the current state of JQ since it masked the rot in JQ that’s been spreading there since mid 2013 when Waha quit the game, rather than letting it play out and fixing the problem as a community then.

When you want to " Play" the game , you play it though. There is no point in just going through the motions. If you are going to do something, you do it well otherwise no point in doing it at all. We either could play, move or leave game. We chose to play, until the vote to move, of course all along the way many chose to leave due to it as well.

Devils Toy.9205:

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ […] Meanwhile these people creating the problems are looked at as pillars of the community. It is always someone else’s problem, not ours, correct? Well now it is JQ’s problem.

There are no “so-called leaders”, “pillars of the community”, you mean the TS maintenance people likely, and they do nothing else.
JQ is just the players, without leaders, and you were one of those players. It’s just a game where people play for a while and that’s it.

Maybe that’s the problem, that there are no leaders and nobody was there to assume that role, and “NA” had no spokesperson to answer. Why are some people live in an imaginary world? Role-playing some organization? Nobody has any kind of “power” or any semblance of it, except the commanders when leading… if and when the players are willing to listen. Guilds and players organizing events, yes. But someone responsible for the whole mess or an entire timezone… really? It’s nice to have an Obama to blame, when something goes wrong, isn’kitten

But then that explains your problems, if you expected the TS maintenance people to “lead” the server or answer complaints about the score. You were barking to the wrong tree. There is nobody else, but those who log in and play, the poor pugs and guilds that try to work together somehow. We are all alone… though, we are still JQ — together.

Aeowia.7214:

Devils Toy.9205:

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ […] Meanwhile these people creating the problems are looked at as pillars of the community. It is always someone else’s problem, not ours, correct? Well now it is JQ’s problem.

There are no “so-called leaders”, “pillars of the community”, you mean the TS maintenance people likely, and they do nothing else.
JQ is just the players, without leaders, and you were one of those players. It’s just a game where people play for a while and that’s it.

Maybe that’s the problem, that there are no leaders and nobody was there to assume that role, and “NA” had no spokesperson to answer. Why are some people live in an imaginary world? Role-playing some organization? Nobody has any kind of “power” or any semblance of it, except the commanders when leading… if and when the players are willing to listen. Guilds and players organizing events, yes. But someone responsible for the whole mess or an entire timezone… really? It’s nice to have an Obama to blame, when something goes wrong, isn’kitten

But then that explains your problems, if you expected the TS maintenance people to “lead” the server or answer complaints about the score. You were barking to the wrong tree. There is nobody else, but those who log in and play, the poor pugs and guilds that try to work together somehow. We are all alone… though, we are still JQ — together.

Did I ever mention the TS people? I am not Mance lmao. I could give a rat’s behind about the TS maintenance people. I do care about the fact that we had commanders who refused to use TS which makes it very hard to fight against the blobs we were facing.

But just so there is no misunderstanding about what I’m talking about, there is leadership whether you want to think so or not that plays a big factor in the goals and coordination of the server. And those of us who ever sat through a council meeting knows what a joke it was. It even got to the point that some commanders said screw it and formed their own council.

We can start airing dirty laundry and calling out certain people if you like but that’s not really what I wanted to do on a public forum like this.

Aeowia.7214:

Devils Toy.9205:

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ […] Meanwhile these people creating the problems are looked at as pillars of the community. It is always someone else’s problem, not ours, correct? Well now it is JQ’s problem.

There are no “so-called leaders”, “pillars of the community”, you mean the TS maintenance people likely, and they do nothing else.
JQ is just the players, without leaders, and you were one of those players. It’s just a game where people play for a while and that’s it.

Maybe that’s the problem, that there are no leaders and nobody was there to assume that role, and “NA” had no spokesperson to answer. Why are some people live in an imaginary world? Role-playing some organization? Nobody has any kind of “power” or any semblance of it, except the commanders when leading… if and when the players are willing to listen. Guilds and players organizing events, yes. But someone responsible for the whole mess or an entire timezone… really? It’s nice to have an Obama to blame, when something goes wrong, isn’kitten

But then that explains your problems, if you expected the TS maintenance people to “lead” the server or answer complaints about the score. You were barking to the wrong tree. There is nobody else, but those who log in and play, the poor pugs and guilds that try to work together somehow. We are all alone… though, we are still JQ — together.

I do not believe anyone is talking about TS maintenance… AT ALL.. JQ council, Mods, Guild leaders and commanders that presented themselves as " The leadership" of JQ are the ones who told the guilds and commanders we brought in to help they couldn’t be bothered. TBH the people who should have been given the largest voice in the community were not even given a voice. OCX and SEA should have had much more say than they do. NA did in fact have " spokespersons", No, you can’t blame what the leaders of NA chose to do on Obama. LMAO

@ gebrechen.5643
I was on forum when he start to ask questions about what happened with NA and I saw how some of them trolled him and start to make fun about that.
Don’t be a kitten with people who left and act that everyone is a freaking traitor and transferred to TC (i’m not even mention YB).

I am just a pug that loves WvW more than PvE/PvP [and I’m still on JQ] and I feel disappointed about what happened on JQ. Look at BG for example, last season (I think) they didn’t end up on 1st place and yet they are still a strong server and still on first place now. Many guilds left JQ and now this server is on T2 (and soon 4th place). Could that be community? It might be a shock, but yes. It’s all about community. You should be neutral and not blaming the people who left or others who are obviously disappointed/upset by others. People will eventually (TPMN.1483 is one of them) ask questions when they see that their server is kittened up.

If you guys, the people who are in charge care about this server (and i’m not saying about PPT, being in 1st place, tier 1, dominating all timezones) as a community, you should really think twice and listen to everyone, not only your thoughts and desire [or being on the same page with your heroes and wanna be like them or want their attention]. I’m not ashamed or afraid to say, but BG is the perfect example (in my view and what happened in the past and what happen now).

PS: Is obvious that you have a problem with people who are not on the same page like you (and the ones from the forum) and act like everyone who left, left on TC. Yet, you should know that not everyone left for that server and KILL is an example that I could think and yet, they have same thoughts as him.

Reverence.6915:

Liston.9708:

Not sure why they didn’t wait a couple of resets AFTER the patch to set the linkings. Maybe in the end, it wasn’t going to matter, but bg-TC—db saw a significant influx of players right before and after the patch. My guess is they had way more pop playing than YB or Jq.

The blowouts last week show how little linking accomplished in the end. Not sure the blowouts will end until change it’s BG-tc-db in 1 of the matches…..

BG didn’t receive an influx of guilds/players. In fact, we lost a couple of guilds to Mag/DR just recently. This is just players that’s been waiting for changes to WvW finally coming back and seeing what’s up.

That was what I meant by influx – people who were not playing playing again.

I miss u aeowai

Please remember when talking to other non-english player, that there are differences between what you/they mean and what is actual written, people however respond to a message in different ways. With writing you can never send your message in the same clear way how you can do this in real-life with your own language.

Short summary to viewer who don’t want to read through the dirty laundry here: Sea blames that they don’t be heard from na, na blames the sea/ocx to do their own things. Lack of communication. Players from usa who don’t listen to other people . It’s a cultural thing from usa, I guess, not a breaking news so far.

Everyone else: here, grab my popcorn and enjoy, I’m out of this.

Aeowia.7214:

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alright, so how would you fix it?

All of this discussion about “leadership” on JQ is pointless.

There aren’t enough players in NA anymore to compete. Too many have left the server or the game.

WvW is a numbers game. The team that fields the most players wins. You may think your “leadership” skills are important but you are fooling yourselves.

TPMN.1483:

Devils Toy.9205:

Synosius.9876:

i hope anet doesnt read this thread and actually think… oh maybe we made a mistake?

the issue jq has isnt lack of players, its why dont the players they do have want to be in wvw?

like rly stop and think about this, the system counts enough players to mark the server as full but doesnt consider how long they spend in wvw or how effective is their organization.

this pairing system is actually pretty smart. if one wanted to play on jq they could just transfer to the guest server. if the guest server becomes over stacked they can be separated.

but still ppl complain that score doesnt matter then lament their lack of coverage. they say everyone else is over stacked while the solution is staring them in the face.

The issue with JQ is/was an internal one…People should sit back and think about why all the guilds that were once the core of JQ have left.

I couldn’t agree more it’s an internal JQ organisational and attitude problem of NA people running the servers. Guilds don’t feel welcome on JQ.

Sea people keep out of the JQ Forums/Politics and don’t give a rats about who’s running JQ.
The NA populous has steadily fallen due to a Number of times toxic individuals and attitudes like “guilds who come here integrate with us” – there is no real working with guilds to integrate them in. Guilds have to force there way through the door…not a great start for any community.

There is no friendly atmosphere within the so called leadership of JQ – it’s been a mess for several years that I have been here. When individuals in so called responsibility troll and be excessively rude over a number of years… You think what is the point in fighting for your server… Diddly squat is the answer.

It’s funny because the guilds and individuals left leaving a dying populations in NA/EU- but they still refuse to address the core internal server community issues.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with a select few frankly are trolled and called names, and wtf did you do attitude… Doesn’t make for a great community.

It’s funny those in JQ leadership looking at this thread openly laugh how the official forums are cancer and cannot see past there own attitudes and how people in this thread may have actual valid comments. Prehaps actual acceptance these people might have a point and real dialog might be a way forward – but nope the usual dismissive attitude I’ve come to accept is prevailant.

Keep it up – when real change happens maybe you’ll find more people with you and some returning faces.

Right now we’re considering issing off to a proper EU server – so keep up with the usual snarky comments on the forum and typical gif wars. That’s about all you’ll find on JQ is “gif wars 2.0”

Just an fyi. Every server is like that. There are some minor differences but mostly its the same on NA. For fun on any server ignore “pixel politics”. As for moving to EU, it is great for fights if you are in a guild.

Bandwagoners will always leave the server one day, all they need is ANY reason.

Bandwagoners wanting to “solve” community problems, I find that really silly, they couldn’t solve the problem in the server they came from in the first place. All they do is big talks or basically ego talking.

Grim West.3194:

All of this discussion about “leadership” on JQ is pointless.

There aren’t enough players in NA anymore to compete. Too many have left the server or the game.

WvW is a numbers game. The team that fields the most players wins. You may think your “leadership” skills are important but you are fooling yourselves.

Unless….this “leadership” are the ones driving people from the server. Granted, Anet has made some (to be politically correct) not so popular decisions that has caused people to leave as well but JQ still had more than enough to hold it’s own. But when you factor in how some people on JQ treated others it became a very toxic situation. The last thing any of us needed was that added on top of some of the decisions that were made in regards to WvW.

When you have people unwilling to work together it becomes very unenjoyable. I can’t tell you the number of times I heard people on EB say “we are outnumbered”, “we are being blobbed down”, blah blah blah when we had an 80 man qeue for EB. First off if you are qeued then you have equal numbers so the ‘we are outnumbered’ argument is laughable. Again, I will say, maybe people should stop and think why it felt like you were outnumbered just as I said earlier that people should stop and think why you have whole guilds up and leaving the server.

Jq never respected what kazo did for jq eu(not a single na guild ran early) only wai would play mad overtime for us. All the old jq veterans too much drama not enough game play. I see you on db now tho getting farmed.

Kill acting like they are the beacon of reason.
This thread is hilarious. Want to know what is wrong with jq ts?

The entire thing is a cringe fest, even this lovely Kill guild. I would have to mute the ts from some thirsty guys salivating at hoping the girls talk to them. The inverse of that is we got girls who all they want is to be the center of attention, since they have never been in real life . Triggerlypuffs. Oh, also going to call one puffball out who tries to sound like a sex talk worker, the affected voice sounds comical. This reiterates the sadness /thirstiness of JQ ts. So, we have some form of social rejects trying to mate with each other. I just want to hear the commander, not these sad mating calls. I honestly can’t tell if I am in a ts for lonely people looking for love or jqbl. It is a coin flip. NA’s prime major guilds need to stop being so cliquey and cringy and maybe new people would come on ts more. The only thing I come on ts for is entertainment. If yall need me, I will be handing out gatorades in eb trying to quench your thirst.

Grim West.3194:

All of this discussion about “leadership” on JQ is pointless.

There aren’t enough players in NA anymore to compete. Too many have left the server or the game.

WvW is a numbers game. The team that fields the most players wins. You may think your “leadership” skills are important but you are fooling yourselves.

I would partially disagree with this in that having a skilled and fun tag running a map or maps generally leads to higher map populations and more success. If JQ had 10 Clouds running at all hours of the day the population would be there to follow.

“Tag up and they will come”.

jason.9548:

Jq never respected what kazo did for jq eu(not a single na guild ran early) only wai would play mad overtime for us. All the old jq veterans too much drama not enough game play. I see you on db now tho getting farmed.

It’s not even about the OT Jason. It’s about the blatant disrespect of other guilds, commanders, players that was shown. Over the last few months I saw more and more commanders, guilds not willing to work together, only “taking care of themselves”, “we are here to get our fights and leave, who cares if we lose that keep or garri”, attitude. Commanders thinking EB was their’s and telling others to get off the map and those same commanders then not running in public TS but yet wanting to call everyone garbage because they kept getting wiped. People asking for help and certain commanders basically telling them to f off because they only want their fights. And God forbid you bring any of this up in forums. You get laughed at, flamed, etc. All I can say is you reap what you sow and sadly JQ is in a terrible state now because of this. Unfortunately some of these people who created this mess decided to jump ship and go do their thing on other servers instead of staying and be made to suffer with those who did stay. And I commend those who are trying to tough it out. JQ was a good server, with a good community at one time and I know there are many who want that again.

Doctor Who.2081:

Kill acting like they are the beacon of reason.
This thread is hilarious. Want to know what is wrong with jq ts?

The entire thing is a cringe fest, even this lovely Guild Lil Devil is a member of. I would have to mute the ts from some thirsty guys salivating at hoping the girls talk to them. The inverse of that is we got girls who all they want is to be the center of attention, since they have never been in real life . Triggerlypuffs. Oh, also going to call one puffball out who tries to sound like a sex talk worker, the affected voice sounds comical. This reiterates the sadness /thirstiness of JQ ts. So, we have some form of social rejects trying to mate with each other. I just want to hear the commander, not these sad mating calls. I honestly can’t tell if I am in a ts for lonely people looking for love or jqbl. It is a coin flip. NA’s prime major guilds need to stop being so cliquey and cringey and maybe people would come on ts more. The only thing I come on ts for is entertainment. If yall need me I will be handing out gatorades in eb, trying to quench your thirst.

—> Funny thing this is so true it hurts. This honestly put me off running so called ‘NA Prime’ or wanting to be in the TS.

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Grim West.3194:

All of this discussion about “leadership” on JQ is pointless.

There aren’t enough players in NA anymore to compete. Too many have left the server or the game.

WvW is a numbers game. The team that fields the most players wins. You may think your “leadership” skills are important but you are fooling yourselves.

I would partially disagree with this in that having a skilled and fun tag running a map or maps generally leads to higher map populations and more success. If JQ had 10 Clouds running at all hours of the day the population would be there to follow.

“Tag up and they will come”.

—> This is so true. A Commander who is interested in getting the job done.

Doctor Who.2081:

Kill acting like they are the beacon of reason.
This thread is hilarious. Want to know what is wrong with jq ts?

The entire thing is a cringe fest, even this lovely Kill guild. I would have to mute the ts from some thirsty guys salivating at hoping the girls talk to them. The inverse of that is we got girls who all they want is to be the center of attention, since they have never been in real life . Triggerlypuffs. Oh, also going to call one puffball out who tries to sound like a sex talk worker, the affected voice sounds comical. This reiterates the sadness /thirstiness of JQ ts. So, we have some form of social rejects trying to mate with each other. I just want to hear the commander, not these sad mating calls. I honestly can’t tell if I am in a ts for lonely people looking for love or jqbl. It is a coin flip. NA’s prime major guilds need to stop being so cliquey and cringy and maybe new people would come on ts more. The only thing I come on ts for is entertainment. If yall need me, I will be handing out gatorades in eb trying to quench your thirst.

“It’s not us that has the problem, it’s you”….the rally cry of JQ. We see where that has gotten you. Good luck.

Call me biased if you like but I really never heard much of what you are talking about. Maybe I just tuned it out but never really heard much of it. I have been on other servers where I felt like there was too much of this going on (and it was mainly in guild channels, not the main map channels) but can’t really say I heard a ton of it in JQ TS.

Menaki.6329:

Sea blames that they don’t be heard from na, na blames the sea/ocx to do their own things. Lack of communication. Players from usa who don’t listen to other people . It’s a cultural thing from usa, I guess, not a breaking news so far.

It isn’t a cultural thing. It’s the effect of having a scoring system that renders everyone’s contribution pointless.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/ANET-Night-capping-is-not-a-thing/first#post6131947

Practically every server in this game that was considered an OCX or SEA server ended up having weak NA timezones while other servers ended up having better all-around coverage (or NA-only coverage). There’s reasons for that!

Devils Toy.9205:

Commanders thinking EB was their’s and telling others to get off the map.

This is greatness. Kill must have changed a lot since they left JQ.

I seem to remember kill explicitly saying leave this map, need to get full Guild on.

Or how about how yall linking wps saying they were under attack when they weren’t, trying to get pugs to leave to clear queue for your guild.

As I said in previous post… Kill trying to act like a beacon of reason is just hilarious.

Doctor Who.2081:

Devils Toy.9205:

Commanders thinking EB was their’s and telling others to get off the map.

This is greatness. Kill must have changed a lot since they left JQ.

I seem to remember kill explicitly saying leave this map, need to get full Guild on.

Or how about how yall linking wps saying they were under attack when they weren’t, trying to get pugs to leave to clear queue for your guild.

As I said in previous post… Kill trying to act like a beacon of reason is just hilarious.

And like I said…good luck to you because you have obviously drank the toxic JQ water. If you think KILL was the problem on JQ then I guess you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

Devils Toy.9205:

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ. And of course, as people decided they had enough and left, the crap talking about that person or guild began from these leaders instead of them stepping back and saying “hey we might have a problem here”. Meanwhile these people creating the problems are looked at as pillars of the community. It is always someone else’s problem, not ours, correct? Well now it is JQ’s problem.

These “pillars of community” are still one step ahead of you. Why? Because they are still there. How long are you in contact with human beings that you think that an online community with thousands of players works well for over many years?
JQ never had a “leadership” of any kind. JQ has a forum and ts administrator, a lot of people doing verification for both and a high number of guild leads and members.
And on JQ (as on any server or in any game) people like or dislike each other, people have different opinions, different playstyles and this doesn’t work out well all the time.
The good thing about JQ was the mostly drama free environment back in the days.
You can’t blame people for not going 8 hour raids in an online game. If you can do that, feel free to do, but don’t tell other people they have to work overtime for some totally irrelevant scoring system. No one ever said “Hey guys, you really need to play 12 hours today, because we may lose a garrison”. If you did, almost everyone told you that it was good work or at least a thanks.

gebrechen.5643:

Devils Toy.9205:

Actually, a lot of the people who left (and not all of us bandwagoned to YB and TC) tried to help fix the issues we were hollering about and were met with brick walls by a lot of the so-called “leaders” of JQ. And of course, as people decided they had enough and left, the crap talking about that person or guild began from these leaders instead of them stepping back and saying “hey we might have a problem here”. Meanwhile these people creating the problems are looked at as pillars of the community. It is always someone else’s problem, not ours, correct? Well now it is JQ’s problem.

These “pillars of community” are still one step ahead of you. Why? Because they are still there. How long are you in contact with human beings that you think that an online community with thousands of players works well for over many years?
JQ never had a “leadership” of any kind. JQ has a forum and ts administrator, a lot of people doing verification for both and a high number of guild leads and members.
And on JQ (as on any server or in any game) people like or dislike each other, people have different opinions, different playstyles and this doesn’t work out well all the time.
The good thing about JQ was the mostly drama free environment back in the days.
You can’t blame people for not going 8 hour raids in an online game. If you can do that, feel free to do, but don’t tell other people they have to work overtime for some totally irrelevant scoring system. No one ever said “Hey guys, you really need to play 12 hours today, because we may lose a garrison”. If you did, almost everyone told you that it was good work or at least a thanks.

Yep, those pillars are still there (and some of the people who created the problems have left so maybe there is some hope), God help you. And if you scroll up a bit I believe I stated it wasn’t about pulling OT.

And you are correct, there are all different play styles that people like to engage in, BUT, when some of your main people don’t give two rat’s butts about the server you get what you got. I didn’t leave JQ because I wanted to, I was one hollering to wait it out and hope things would change but I went where the guild went in the end. And it was done because JQ was no longer a fun place to be.

I have no ill feelings toward JQ and hope things work out for the best for those of you toughing it out.

Devils Toy.9205:

I have been on other servers where I felt like there was too much of this going on (and it was mainly in guild channels, not the main map channels) but can’t really say I heard a ton of it in JQ TS.

And that is exactly your problem. “Hey, it doesn’t work out, the people here are different, let’s switch servers”.

There are very few reasons for transfering off a server in GW2. There is not much of a difference in wvw. You can transfer as often as you want but you’ll never be happy after it. There will be always people you don’t like or don’t play the way you want them to. You can either accept that, get players like you around you and do it your way or you can pay another ridiculous amount of gems or money to find another server. It seems like you still are on option #2

That whole story reminds me of Noodles (or some guys ending up on TC now)

Devils Toy.9205:

And like I said…good luck to you because you have obviously drank the toxic JQ water. If you think KILL was the problem on JQ then I guess you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

Take your ball and go home when you get called out with facts and call me toxic Kool-aid drinker when I just called out all of NA prime.

Well folks, Mr. Devil here is why we need to secure JQ’s borders. Let me tell you something, we are going to make JQ so great again. Everytime I hear toxic that wall is getting ten feet higher. #chunk2016

Doctor Who.2081:

Devils Toy.9205:

And like I said…good luck to you because you have obviously drank the toxic JQ water. If you think KILL was the problem on JQ then I guess you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

Take your ball and go home when you get called out with facts and call me toxic Kool-aid drinker when I just called out all of NA prime.

Well folks, Mr. Devil here is why we need to secure JQ’s borders. Let me tell you something, we are going to make JQ so great again. Everytime I hear toxic that wall is getting ten feet higher. #chunk2016

Lmao, what facts would those be? linking waypoints? yea it happened. Is that why JQ is in the state it is in? probably not.

It means fighting the same guilds over and over.

That’s exactly what they all do now. They fight the same guilds over and over. But let’s be honest. It has never ever been about the fighting. That’s the biggest lie in this game. Most guilds that transfer around the world never did that because of the fighting.(maybe with the exception of some gvg guilds)

Let’s not argue about this JQ thingie. “KILL” as the name of the guild implies is to Kill TC and BG. There is no TC to kill so they had to try to kill BG. They were unsuccessful in killing BG as BG is a monster itself and with me their self proclaimed monster of monster residing in BG, they stand no chance. So guild had to transfer where they feel they can kill something. It ain’t TC or BG, but they can no longer change name without losing all their guild hall goodies and such. Am I right? Yes, you all need to agree since I am right!

littlemunster.1059:

Let’s not argue about this JQ thingie. “KILL” as the name of the guild implies is to Kill TC and BG. There is no TC to kill so they had to try to kill BG. They were unsuccessful in killing BG as BG is a monster itself and with me their self proclaimed monster of monster residing in BG, they stand no chance. So guild had to transfer where they feel they can kill something. It ain’t TC or BG, but they can no longer change name without losing all their guild hall goodies and such. Am I right? Yes, you all need to agree since I am right!

We could argue about that but since most of us think the “we kill TC and BG” thingie is kind of funny (and definitely outdated) now you probably won’t get much argument from us

littlemunster.1059:

Let’s not argue about this JQ thingie. “KILL” as the name of the guild implies is to Kill TC and BG. There is no TC to kill so they had to try to kill BG. They were unsuccessful in killing BG as BG is a monster itself and with me their self proclaimed monster of monster residing in BG, they stand no chance. So guild had to transfer where they feel they can kill something. It ain’t TC or BG, but they can no longer change name without losing all their guild hall goodies and such. Am I right? Yes, you all need to agree since I am right!

Yeah, they totally meant they wanted to kill off entire servers with their guild name. Brilliant

This thread is pretty funny. Jade Quarry has been struggling for a very long time. They’ve ALWAYS had a NA problem and it DOES have to do with the servers leadership. JQ could never hold NA..they probably bought more NA guilds than any other server in this game but they never stay.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

This thread is pretty funny. Jade Quarry has been struggling for a very long time. They’ve ALWAYS had a NA problem and it DOES have to do with the servers leadership. JQ could never hold NA..they probably bought more NA guilds than any other server in this game but they never stay.

They may have bought too many matured guilds that retired. The greatest NA guild of all time PRX retired while returning to JQ. Yes, they were originally from HOD, but they accomplished so much as a guild. The only NA guild that won many times during WvW peaks and at different servers. The only NA guild that brought a server (SOS) rise to greatness and dominating until their departure. The only NA guild that move over to EU side and help bring it to the top. They accomplish what many alliances are trying now and failing to do.

littlemunster.1059:

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

This thread is pretty funny. Jade Quarry has been struggling for a very long time. They’ve ALWAYS had a NA problem and it DOES have to do with the servers leadership. JQ could never hold NA..they probably bought more NA guilds than any other server in this game but they never stay.

They may have bought too many matured guilds that retired. The greatest NA guild of all time PRX retired while returning to JQ. Yes, they were originally from HOD, but they accomplished so much as a guild. The only NA guild that won many times during WvW peaks and at different servers. The only NA guild that brought a server (SOS) rise to greatness and dominating until their departure. The only NA guild that move over to EU side and help bring it to the top. They accomplish what many alliances are trying now and failing to do.

PRX is an amazing guild.

Blix.8021:

littlemunster.1059:

Let’s not argue about this JQ thingie. “KILL” as the name of the guild implies is to Kill TC and BG. There is no TC to kill so they had to try to kill BG. They were unsuccessful in killing BG as BG is a monster itself and with me their self proclaimed monster of monster residing in BG, they stand no chance. So guild had to transfer where they feel they can kill something. It ain’t TC or BG, but they can no longer change name without losing all their guild hall goodies and such. Am I right? Yes, you all need to agree since I am right!

Yeah, they totally meant they wanted to kill off entire servers with their guild name. Brilliant

Yes, we totally intended to kill the entirety of BG and TC all by ourselves. We just need Mal and his buddies to gather up more guilds and move them away from both BG and TC and we will have succeeded. See, in reality Mal is working for us. He is slowly grabbing up guilds to make TC and BG a barren wasteland

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

PRX is an amazing guild.

Glad you agree. If I am correct, you were in SOS during the rise of t1 domination. SOS had a great community and player base. There was more competition back then… It’s sad how Anet can’t figure out what players really wanted and brought out a poll to patch things up where it’ll probably make matters worst like their Desert BL’s.

littlemunster.1059:

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

PRX is an amazing guild.

Glad you agree. If I am correct, you were in SOS during the rise of t1 domination. SOS had a great community and player base. There was more competition back then… It’s sad how Anet can’t figure out what players really wanted and brought out a poll to patch things up where it’ll probably make matters worst like their Desert BL’s.

Yes I was. I have a lot of respect for PRX as someone who played along side of them and someone who has fought them. In more ways than one, my leadership abilities can be tracked to PRX and their idea of an alliance. To me they are one of the guilds who set a standard in this game.

I will say this about ArenaNet, they are going out their way more so than ever to get the proper feed back from the WvW community. They still have ways to go but they’ve made great improvements so far and they’re taking it from the mouths of the community this time.

I really have to say, this thread has been a great read. Thanks for keeping me entertained at work friends!

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

This thread is pretty funny. Jade Quarry has been struggling for a very long time. They’ve ALWAYS had a NA problem and it DOES have to do with the servers leadership. JQ could never hold NA..they probably bought more NA guilds than any other server in this game but they never stay.

Ever consider they left the Tier because it’s just more fun playing where you and your shenanigans aren’t? Even your PvF isn’t even amusing any more.

Taldeer.6720:

I really have to say, this thread has been a great read. Thanks for keeping me entertained at work friends!

I know right?

Just a side note for everyone: can we please properly separate the interpersonal relationships of the players using JQTS and JQTS as a service provided? JQTS and our JadeQuarry.com website are rock solid services funded by the players and provided by volunteers. We help provide the capacity for Quarrian’s and umm.. IJonians*(???) to speak with each other. What you folks say to each other, outside of hate speech, is completely up to you.

*sorry, I forgot to ask what IoJ uses as a nickname

Doctor Who.2081:

Kill acting like they are the beacon of reason.
This thread is hilarious. Want to know what is wrong with jq ts?

The entire thing is a cringe fest, even this lovely Kill guild. I would have to mute the ts from some thirsty guys salivating at hoping the girls talk to them. The inverse of that is we got girls who all they want is to be the center of attention, since they have never been in real life . Triggerlypuffs. Oh, also going to call one puffball out who tries to sound like a sex talk worker, the affected voice sounds comical. This reiterates the sadness /thirstiness of JQ ts. So, we have some form of social rejects trying to mate with each other. I just want to hear the commander, not these sad mating calls. I honestly can’t tell if I am in a ts for lonely people looking for love or jqbl. It is a coin flip. NA’s prime major guilds need to stop being so cliquey and cringy and maybe new people would come on ts more. The only thing I come on ts for is entertainment. If yall need me, I will be handing out gatorades in eb trying to quench your thirst.

Whaaa..? You must have walked in on something I missed.. I do not recall ever seeing this and was unaware of any guildies hooking up in the game. People mating in TS.. I am really starting to wonder if maybe people are not taking things a bit more than what they were. People giving each other hell and poking fun at them a bit is usually what I " Witness" but that is far from a porn experience you are making it out to be. Maybe one’s perception might be a bit more prudent than another’s.

When we tried to come in to NA to help when we kept losing everything every day, with our only request for NA was to not let the opponents WP Bay and Hills and to try and keep Gari and EBG Keep. NA guilds were arguing in team chat while letting gari go because one commander decided they should go PvD SWT instead when they were on LORD in Gari on a queued map. THAT is why people were asking " WTH are you doing?"

When you bring in new guilds to the server and they ask for help to save keeps and are essentially told to"f off" by core JQ NA prime commanders it does not help to keep them there.