Guild Wars 2

Efface.8460:

Here you go again, trying to act like you know what your talking about….Your a great ninja blind samurai warrior, and all your victims are just pvp pups that need some hard learned lessons….pls

Your mentality is easily profiled by your posts and apparent reputation.

You are seduced to this playstyle, as are many regrettably, because the class can carry you…

You know full well of the rendering issues inherent to stealth, and how they haven’t fixed it in wvw yet, yet all the videos I see are in wvw.. (I may be wrong, I haven’t watched your whole series)

You know full well that along with that advantage, retargetting you takes additional time, time you don’t have to waste on most classes, and you capitalize on that with the thief elite. (as do many)..need I even mention the loss/redirection of local fauna and npc aggro?

If you misplace your Zatoichi judgement on other stealth classes, you have a stealth counter to fall back on and reset the encounter

CnD doesn’t even require you to leave your current target to trigger (at least from what I can see)

Healing while stealthed, condition removal while stealthed….pls hug it more

Your playing a behind the curve build, whether you wanna admit it or not….Do your server a favor and scout enemy zerg positions or something useful, and stop trying to showboat something that like 500 other thieves can’t do in their sleep

I mean do you really even have to have your monitor turned on to play a stealth thief?

LOL. See, I KNEW I hit the nail on the head in my prev comments. Not because I’m psychic, but because I use my mind, to fight and to get by in life. I won’t lie, all you’re doing now is giving me a reason to laugh AT you, not WITH you. I’m still going to try 1 last time not to.

I’ve played all other classes, but especially necro and warrior. Both my necro and war can 100-0 a p/d in about 5 seconds flat. All it takes is 1 hard CC, like immobilize. Is that hard CC easy to land at the right time? Not always. But it’s possible and telegraph-able, every time. I’ll give you a BIG HINT: there’s a delay before and after each dodge, where the opponent is unable to use any skills but is hittable while in the dodge animation. It’s rather tricky timing, but that is what I mean, in this case, by ‘telegraphed’ attacks.

I honestly don’t know what to tell you, I’ve fought my own build, I’ve thought about fighting/countering my own build (not just in group situations but in 1v1) with various things, and I’ve done it to death (pun intended). The 1st thing I thought about after I got used to the basics of my p/d build was: “ok, what are the ways I can counter/destroy myself?”.

I don’t know WHY you refuse to research and risk experimentation. If you want to know the BEST hard counter to p/d, I’ll tell you, because its common knowledge.

Faceroll with condition/bleed necro. Just don’t suck (I know it’s hard, but try not to)… My necro’s fav build btw isnt bleeds though, it’s a melee frontline build, but it can take about 40-50k hp worth of damage by the time a p/d can wear it down. This gives it plenty of opportunity to gib the p/d. I’ve done some duels in that regard, mostly in sPvP.

As a warrior, axe/shield and ‘shake it off’ seems to be the most important factor in fighting a ranged kiter that has no burst. The other set can be anything, I usually prefer the greatsword for obv reasons (swap to after you nail bull’s, gg).

EDIT: Not about to start making tutorials about how to beat ranged thieves, partly because I’m lazy and partly because I’d rather let others figure it out. If they can’t figure it out, oh well – keep getting clowned scrubs.

You’ve got some skill, and a great build, however.

Cons:
- You are mostly fighting noobs, kind of surprising for such high tier servers, they are slow and don’t aoe/cc at all.
- The majority of your fights, the enemy doesn’t remove conditions set by you, leaving them to pretty much die on their own

Pros:
- Cool build, looks fun, pew pew
- Awesome trolling with the stealth/repositioning
- You know how to play thief well

Archer.1658:

You’ve got some skill, and a great build, however.

Cons:
- You are mostly fighting noobs, kind of surprising for such high tier servers, they are slow and don’t aoe/cc at all.
- The majority of your fights, the enemy doesn’t remove conditions set by you, leaving them to pretty much die on their own

- Very true. That’s what I’ve been trying to say, without caving in and using ridicule. The ppl on this thread that keep saying my build is OP, they’re very likely among the ‘noobs’ you mention. Refusal to adapt, experiment and to consider things like < 0.5s timing as something that they should get in the habit of. I just don’t know what to say to that anymore… That kind of stuff is part of my every-day PvP, it’s 2nd nature at this point.
- Yeah, that’s also true, some of them didn’t bring ANY cond removal. To put it bluntly, to everyone that keeps crying about a build that’s NOT VIABLE in top tier pvp, there’s a reason all the top sPvP teams usually bring lots of condition removal.

Yaro.3251:

Bingo! Finally you’ve used basic logic to come to enlightening discovery: There’s atleast TWO options – either people do not understand what you are talking about or they just do not agree with you.

Not trying to be argumentative, but.. I have to make something clear.

If people REFUSE to get better, to try new things, to be good at timing/twitch, then how do they expect to fare against a person that doesn’t refuse to do these things? I’m sorry, if they refuse to change themselves for the better, then they should expect to always get clowned on.

I know it’s tempting to just nerf everything into oblivion so we are all autoattacking each other to death, but maybe ppl should reconsider going down this path again and again.

Man i’ve been following your vids for some time now, and just gotta say ty for all of them. Your vids are what got me playing thf. And i use your build/builds alot from time to time. Keep up the good work man.

In this game dying usually is the price you pay for being too lazy to adapt. If you are too lazy to learn how to avoid the damage of a 100b warr and then kill him you die. If you specc into glass cannon and stand around without doing anything a Bs thief will kill you. The sad thing about the whole thing is that those 2 builds in combination with berserker gear are rewarding bad players by allowing them to beat other bad or unsuspecting players with ease. Fast. With close to no personal risk. Making it unnecessary for the thief/warr to face a prolonged fight where they would have to use their brain and adapt to their opponent. Doesnt apply to just those 2 classes but these are the ones that get named most of the time when it comes to high dmg and annoyance. These builds are carrying a big number of bad players rewarding them not for being good but for playing a “good” build. The real issue of wvw is the high reward you get from using high dmg low survivability builds and gear.

You simply cant work out a skill rotation/combo and then use it in a fight and always expect it to win. A fight is dynamic and so should you be. That is what slic does. He takes advantage of positioning (a very important part of his playstyle) and his knowledge of people and classes.

<———happily bumps this thread soo all you proponents can continue to embarres yerselves

Efface.8460:

<———happily bumps this thread soo all you proponents can continue to embarres yerselves

What, out of witty replies? Maybe realizing I’m not speaking opinion, but speaking fact? That’s always a harsh eye opener, since. You know. I actually SAY ‘in my opinion’ and other obv stuff, when I DO say an opinion.

But hey, I like my thread getting bumped too!

So…

So, I’m just curious, I’ve been tryin to nail down WHO you are from Sea of Sorrows. Could it be you’re that guard/thief from [EV] that kept getting schooled? Just a wild guess.

Slic.2406:

Not trying to be argumentative, but.. I have to make something clear.

If people REFUSE to get better, to try new things, to be good at timing/twitch, then how do they expect to fare against a person that doesn’t refuse to do these things? I’m sorry, if they refuse to change themselves for the better, then they should expect to always get clowned on.

I know it’s tempting to just nerf everything into oblivion so we are all autoattacking each other to death, but maybe ppl should reconsider going down this path again and again.

Now here you are talking to the wrong person. Well as if its something new.

Your posts is this thread are generally quite erratic logic-wise (I could break it down for you if you wish). But I will not follow your attitude and make blanket statements about reasons I personally might see for that.

If you are “person that doesnt refuse to get better”, you may want revise this thread closely to see that you are either trowing argumets to the people who don’t disagree with you on particular point, or skewing discussion in perpendicular directions randomly.

Yaro.3251:

Slic.2406:

Not trying to be argumentative, but.. I have to make something clear.

If people REFUSE to get better, to try new things, to be good at timing/twitch, then how do they expect to fare against a person that doesn’t refuse to do these things? I’m sorry, if they refuse to change themselves for the better, then they should expect to always get clowned on.

I know it’s tempting to just nerf everything into oblivion so we are all autoattacking each other to death, but maybe ppl should reconsider going down this path again and again.

Now here you are talking to the wrong person. Well as if its something new.

Your posts is this thread are generally quite erratic logic-wise (I could break it down for you if you wish). But I will not follow your attitude and make blanket statements about reasons I personally might see for that.

If you are “person that doesnt refuse to get better”, you may want revise this thread closely to see that you are either trowing argumets to the people who don’t disagree with you on particular point, or skewing discussion in perpendicular directions randomly.

Well, yes I realize you don’t disagree with me on this particular topic, but you do seem to be giving people who ‘refuse to get better’ a little too much credit. I’m only trying to warn you about being too lenient on such things!

Giving them too much leeway or the benefit of the doubt is not something you should do, as (gaming and RL) history continues to give examples where it proved disastrous. I don’t give such an attitude any credit, and I recommend you don’t either. That’s all I wanted to make clear.

You look to be skilled with a Thief, but I cannot honestly tell a good thief from a great one, most of you guys run the same builds and do the same things. You seem to play slightly differently than most of them, I enjoyed your placement and positioning. I will look out for that in the future.

How does your build hold up against condition damage specs? I personally run a Warrior build to hunt all forms of thieves and it works great, most are annoying little flies I can just ignore until I feel the need to outright murder them. Your build seems slightly different than the norm, and I’d like to tweak it for future fights if needed.

What are your thoughts on the Minor Trait Exposed Weakness in Deadly Arts which requires 25 points:

Deal 10% more damage if the target has a condition.

Seem it would be a huge boost!

Hi,

Can I ask about the choice not to take Exposed Weakness (Deal 10% more damage if your target has a condition)?

Cempa.5619:

Hi,

Can I ask about the choice not to take Exposed Weakness (Deal 10% more damage if your target has a condition)?

That trait only effect physical damage not condition damage. Not worth much on a P/D condition build.

Got it, thanks.