Guild Wars 2

This totally went off topic. I think there were some definite lines in the sand being drawn as to what constitutes buying guilds and the morality of it all. BG/SOR keep out of this if you are just going to spread the matchup bile.

Now back to the main topic of buying guilds. What responsibility does a guild have if they wish to leave “X” server for whatever reason? I mean if they can work out a deal that saves their members in game money or even real money so they can stay together, what is the harm in this? edit: And where does their moral responsibility lie?

It is not hard when each player in a guild is offered 4000 golds to transfer. But that is part of the war and should be totally fine. It is up to teh guild to decide if they want to transfer or not….

if you want to buy guilds, go for it. nobody can stop you, although people will always debate whether any future wins are “legitimate”. but people also have the same debate about whether siege-creeping is legitimate, or the use of warrior hammer trains, or using massed necros to lag your opponents to death, etc. everybody has a different idea of what “pure” WvW is.

but I have to wonder, once you find a guild that can be bought, how do you make sure they stay bought? it seems like a waste of time to buy a guild if some other server can just buy them again. once a guild transfers to your server, there’s no way for you to prevent them from transferring off again, and once it becomes known that they can be bought, I imagine they’ll start getting a lot more offers.

I guess if you can afford to outbid everyone else then it won’t matter.

-ken

There is an undercurrent feeling that when against stacked timezones it is impossible to defeat unless buying guilds becomes a viable option.

Is it desperation that servers would opt for buying a guild to bolster their lack of skilled numbers?
Desperate acts can create a need to overwhelm a well supported server in wvw to give balance?

Perhaps its time to ask another question, on a different thread, I find it all interesting and curious.

Nobody player have the right to tell another player not to sell/lend their services to another world/server/guild cus it really is their choice to do so and with that just stop the flame war in the forums and disgrace our own worlds by behaving like egoistic kids alright? If u win fine congrats and enjoy your win and if u lose sit back and think what can be done to do better. Here we are the so called “Top Worlds” behaving like kids.

Of all the places I expected to find a philosophical discussion on morality and loyalty.

XD

Lord Kuru.3685:

Cachu.9067:

We have sports in real life that poach players all the time, its accepted practice, to the highest bidder goes the spoils.

But in sports (at least in US sports leagues) this is generally regulated by salary caps — preventing teams from dominating just by having deeper pockets.

Well also about this in sports you have in a sense a never ending amount of people to sign. This game doesn’t really apply to that theory, sure we get and x amount daily into the game. Though we can’t just sign this and that person right over. Sure it is just for winning, but it is quite sad that no one wants to stays in BG lol they just want their money and to go back to where they came from.

as long as buying guilds for the purpose of improving a server’s chances of winning the league is not prohibited by arenanet, then a server is free to do it.

from the perspective of someone from lower tier servers, i do not really see much difference between a tier 1 server enticing a guild from a lower tier server to transfer to it with promises of “better fights”, “better experience”, etc, and a tier 1 server enticing a guild from a lower tier to transfer to it by paying said guilds with compensation. at the end of the day, what we have are lower tier servers who lose a part of their community to these tier 1 servers.

looking for a guild i can buy which go farm for me 24 a day
champs, orichalcum, iron and all this stuff

rly – i pay transfer cost^^

When it comes to the relationship bewtween a server and each of it’s guilds, It is a symbiotic relationship. If a guild does not feel it is getting what it wants from a server(enough roaming, 24 hour competition, etc…) Then the guild will move.

BUT, that guild is made up of individual players who also have to make the decision of whether they wish to stay on the home server or follow their guild. So where does the moral responsibility of the individual players lie?

Titan.3472:

Talyn.3295:

Hobbitz.5831:

eithinan.9841:

What do you claim is buying guilds? Is it paying for their transfers, either in part or wholly? Is that buying guilds?

Is buying guilds paying gold in excess of transfer to fees? or would it be buying guilds if you paid them 2 transfer fees for their entrance and exit from a server. and gold on top of that?

define buying guilds please.

I’ll do you one better, I’ll describe the situation.

SoR dominated BG through the first 3 days of its match up last week. Sunday night going into Monday morning Blackgate paid a Russian guild an extremely large sum of gold to transfer to their server just for the league. The guild has already stated that they have no intentions of staying on BG and are only be paid to help them win league. As SoR has no players in their particular time slot (9aPST/12pEST) the guild continues to flip all borderlands uncontested.

Now SoR players are quitting the game left and right. The league was viewed as the savior of WvW for a large section of the base but now that one server has gone to the extreme to literally ‘pay-to-win’ a lot of the player base has lost faith in leagues and ArenaNet.

Some how I knew this would turn into a QQ thread. I think SoR needs to take a long look into the mirror, and stop trying to blame Guild Transfers for their own failings.

Well, SoR’s Favorite book is “Excuse Book”

Must be why a certain guild went to SoR from JQ, that’s their favorite book also

If guilds become available on the TP would servers and players who use the services be more accepting?

deathTouch.9706:

Buygate gives it two thumbs up! Would buy again.

BG has a two-step, highly-skilled process for securing gold 1:

1) Didn’t win the last fight? Bring a bigger zerg.

2) Out of players to increase zerg size? Buy more players.

Wow how did u figure out these since we havnt met u …..

Nostradamus ?

BakaOniiChan.9564:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Cachu.9067:

We have sports in real life that poach players all the time, its accepted practice, to the highest bidder goes the spoils.

But in sports (at least in US sports leagues) this is generally regulated by salary caps — preventing teams from dominating just by having deeper pockets.

Well also about this in sports you have in a sense a never ending amount of people to sign. This game doesn’t really apply to that theory, sure we get and x amount daily into the game. Though we can’t just sign this and that person right over. Sure it is just for winning, but it is quite sad that no one wants to stays in BG lol they just want their money and to go back to where they came from.

If no one wanna stay we should be in silver league by now

Want to solve the problem about stacked server and buying guild to win?

Do the following :

- You can’t transfer to a server ranked higher than yours

All population imbalance solved with a simple change.

The game will now be :

Play to win instead of pay to win.

Gudradain.3892:

Want to solve the problem about stacked server and buying guild to win?

Do the following :

- You can’t transfer to a server ranked higher than yours

All population imbalance solved with a simple change.

The game will now be :

Play to win instead of pay to win.

Im not sure if that will solve the imbalance situation, but if everyone could buy and trade guilds easily without the stigma, it might become more acceptable or at least tolerable, once everyone does it.

Yet people feel so strongly that its wrong, even though in this game everything has a price to pay in monetary terms, I think the thought of buying and trading something that should take effort on the part of the individual servers should be one earned by those that stay to play there.

However people seem to accept players or guilds moving on their own vs being paid to move.

SoR is losing because most of us don’t give a fuggin kitten anymore. Purchased guilds? Every server buys guilds. That’s not the issue. The BG/SoR problem is that BG coordinates with X server against us and SoR isn’t down with putting up with that for 6 out of 7 weeks or whatever it is. Uphill battle all season.

We will stay and fight 24/7 but gunning for 1st place ain’t gonna happen. I commend BG for the strategy they’ve implemented, even if it is shady. I mean, you guys used to be fun to fight but this is not enjoyable anymore.

Sad thing is that it’s all for a dumb dolyak finisher.

so do the guilds get the money/gems before they transfer or after? If its before the transfer has there been much scamming yet?

Never heard of this, if it’s true it’s kinda pathetic.

lordkrall.7241:

I personally find it quite pathetic.
But then again, if guilds are willing to sell themselves it is their loss I suppose.

If some server want to buy your guild then you did a good job.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

lordkrall.7241:

I personally find it quite pathetic.
But then again, if guilds are willing to sell themselves it is their loss I suppose.

If some server want to buy your guild then you did a good job.

like an apple in a basket, goodjob, especially when the server buys the guild for the sake of numbers and timezone not the guild in particular

Chicho Gosho.6507:

If some server want to buy your guild then you did a good job.

I suppose, but at the same time being bought should instantly destroy the guilds reputation, since they clearly don’t give a kitten about their server.

lordkrall.7241:

Chicho Gosho.6507:

If some server want to buy your guild then you did a good job.

I suppose, but at the same time being bought should instantly destroy the guilds reputation, since they clearly don’t give a kitten about their server.

With Spvp being x-server and Pve having guesting/x-server dungeons what has Anet done to promote any server loyalty? Also guilds generally must have a pretty good reason for leaving a server. The times I have transferred the decision is made to leave before a destination is chosen.

SplendidDust of AncientSuns.8453:

SoR is losing because most of us don’t give a fuggin kitten anymore. Purchased guilds? Every server buys guilds. That’s not the issue. The BG/SoR problem is that BG coordinates with X server against us and SoR isn’t down with putting up with that for 6 out of 7 weeks or whatever it is. Uphill battle all season.

We will stay and fight 24/7 but gunning for 1st place ain’t gonna happen. I commend BG for the strategy they’ve implemented, even if it is shady. I mean, you guys used to be fun to fight but this is not enjoyable anymore.

Sad thing is that it’s all for a dumb dolyak finisher.

This has nothing to do with sor/bg. keep that garbage in the match thread AND we are talking about buying guilds here not 2v1’s. L2politic if thats your issue, but take it to a different thread.

Hobbitz.5831:

eithinan.9841:

What do you claim is buying guilds? Is it paying for their transfers, either in part or wholly? Is that buying guilds?

Is buying guilds paying gold in excess of transfer to fees? or would it be buying guilds if you paid them 2 transfer fees for their entrance and exit from a server. and gold on top of that?

define buying guilds please.

I’ll do you one better, I’ll describe the situation.

SoR dominated BG through the first 3 days of its match up last week. Sunday night going into Monday morning Blackgate paid a Russian guild an extremely large sum of gold to transfer to their server just for the league. The guild has already stated that they have no intentions of staying on BG and are only be paid to help them win league. As SoR has no players in their particular time slot (9aPST/12pEST) the guild continues to flip all borderlands uncontested.

Now SoR players are quitting the game left and right. The league was viewed as the savior of WvW for a large section of the base but now that one server has gone to the extreme to literally ‘pay-to-win’ a lot of the player base has lost faith in leagues and ArenaNet.

I’m not from SoR or BG. I honestly thought SoR would have killed BG based on past bouts between the two when JQ was not there and based on ratings. Politics between the 3 servers skew the actual rating of the server, which is why JQ found itself in t2 3 months ago due to all the tag team occurring. I’m not making excuses. JQ plays it too. But I think buying guilds is on a whole new level. If Merc was truely bought, I would like to personally say sorry about that to BG. I hate traitors. But if they moved for the glory, well, it’s a little different. There’s something about money that makes it so wrong. That’s why I totally DESPISE it when people on JQ team chat incite guilds to move to BG. Any respect I had for BG is now gone. From now on, I hope SoR has learned its lesson by never taking sides with BG because BG plays dirty. As far as I’m concerned, BUYGATE CAN FLUFF MY GARFIELD! I’m out. SoR, you know what to do on during week 7. High Five.

kitten.5741:

Hobbitz.5831:

eithinan.9841:

What do you claim is buying guilds? Is it paying for their transfers, either in part or wholly? Is that buying guilds?

Is buying guilds paying gold in excess of transfer to fees? or would it be buying guilds if you paid them 2 transfer fees for their entrance and exit from a server. and gold on top of that?

define buying guilds please.

I’ll do you one better, I’ll describe the situation.

SoR dominated BG through the first 3 days of its match up last week. Sunday night going into Monday morning Blackgate paid a Russian guild an extremely large sum of gold to transfer to their server just for the league. The guild has already stated that they have no intentions of staying on BG and are only be paid to help them win league. As SoR has no players in their particular time slot (9aPST/12pEST) the guild continues to flip all borderlands uncontested.

Now SoR players are quitting the game left and right. The league was viewed as the savior of WvW for a large section of the base but now that one server has gone to the extreme to literally ‘pay-to-win’ a lot of the player base has lost faith in leagues and ArenaNet.

I’m not from SoR or BG. I honestly thought SoR would have killed BG based on past bouts between the two when JQ was not there and based on ratings. Politics between the 3 servers skew the actual rating of the server, which is why JQ found itself in t2 3 months ago due to all the tag team occurring. I’m not making excuses. JQ plays it too. But I think buying guilds is on a whole new level. If Merc was truely bought, I would like to personally say sorry about that to BG. I hate traitors. But if they moved for the glory, well, it’s a little different. There’s something about money that makes it so wrong. That’s why I totally DESPISE it when people on JQ team chat incite guilds to move to BG. Any respect I had for BG is now gone. From now on, I hope SoR has learned its lesson by never taking sides with BG because BG plays dirty. As far as I’m concerned, BUYGATE CAN FLUFF MY GARFIELD! I’m out. SoR, you know what to do on during week 7. High Five.

What Hobbitz is saying is complete propaganda, he has no proof other than what others have been saying on these forums for the past week. I would point you to the SoR/BG match thread if you feel that you can sift through the trolling and you’ll see that most of this argument has been resolved. (regarding buying)

As for MERC, who knows if they were “bought” or not, it doesn’t matter, Tarkus and others had there reasons for leaving BG to JQ, that was their call. If JQ payed them or helped with transfer costs, its a non issue now. All drama that came from that was due to BG losing a strong force and JQ stacking, for the most part those issues are past.

As for my thoughts on “buying guilds” there is a huge disconnect between what is said here and what is really happening. They idea of out right buying a guild is unreasonable and would cost massive amounts of gold. Having to not only cover the transfer costs but also costs of upgrading the guild for buffs/guild missions (if applicable) and also them making a profit worthy of the move. Remember if they are mercenary, cost of moving again would need to be covered and if they are not bought again, those cost have to come from somewhere.

People from SoR have already admitted to helping some guilds with a part of the transfer costs to move to SoR, the same has been done by BG and I assume JQ. If the argument is BG is wrong for “buying guilds” then SoR and JQ are in the same boat. For any poster here that is concerned/upset because this lead to a guild leaving your server, its a much more understandable frustration then from any poster from BG/JQ/SoR.

@kitten.5741, the post wasn’t directed at you, I only quoted you for context.

EDIT: ugh its “kittening” your name. Sorry lol

In the long run the league and buying guilds will be the death of wvw if not the game. Yup, people are going to say I’m exaggerating, QQ, or I must be on a loser server but just look at the score in the first few weeks. 90% of all matches are blowouts due to natural server imbalance, transfers, and buying coverage. So let me ask you…how fun will wvw be when nobody else shows up? You own all 3 bl’s and there’s nobody flipping anything for you to flip back? Do you really think people on us “scrub” servers are going to keep just being bag farmed or will they eventually just go play pve or another game? Its not like any amount of skill can overcome being outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1. And if people on these servers want to think its there superior strategy or skill causing the scores you delusional. The way I see it unless something changes very soon it will be very lonely at the top.

kailin.4905:

In the long run the league and buying guilds will be the death of wvw if not the game. Yup, people are going to say I’m exaggerating, QQ, or I must be on a loser server but just look at the score in the first few weeks. 90% of all matches are blowouts due to natural server imbalance, transfers, and buying coverage. So let me ask you…how fun will wvw be when nobody else shows up? You own all 3 bl’s and there’s nobody flipping anything for you to flip back? Do you really think people on us “scrub” servers are going to keep just being bag farmed or will they eventually just go play pve or another game? Its not like any amount of skill can overcome being outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1. And if people on these servers want to think its there superior strategy or skill causing the scores you delusional. The way I see it unless something changes very soon it will be very lonely at the top.

what makes you think the people participating in this even care? not the matchup, not the competition, not even common sense, oh no wvw is blown out of proportions, dont worry, theres Wildstar and ESO and whatever coming up, no barriers, complete freedom. DB devoured, Kaineng devoured, other servers being chompped of and that was b4 the rampant guild buying going on right now, and now even eu guilds.

What guild, especially a pvx one, refuse 10k gold and transfer fees covered? thousands for commanders, yes Qs will be affected but just take a look at that servers history, more guilds came in and out or just outright died on that server several times more than any other server

Cachu.9067:

Buying guilds through paid transfer. Just wondering what people think about this?

All fair in love and war?
Gutted servers?
Displaced guilds?
Not what you were hoping for?
Just fine?

This isnt a poll just wondering how people feel about this kind of transaction

While I do understand individual guild transfers and the reasons why guilds do this, many are looking for different opponents to go against, need a change in their environment / community, etc. Overall this practice is detrimental to the game as a whole.

It often starts a “domino” effect on lower tier servers leaving the server gutted and plummeting downwards while overstacking the already high ranking servers. It should be against TOS and enforcable by a-net.

eithinan.9841:

lordkrall.7241:

Chicho Gosho.6507:

If some server want to buy your guild then you did a good job.

I suppose, but at the same time being bought should instantly destroy the guilds reputation, since they clearly don’t give a kitten about their server.

With Spvp being x-server and Pve having guesting/x-server dungeons what has Anet done to promote any server loyalty? Also guilds generally must have a pretty good reason for leaving a server. The times I have transferred the decision is made to leave before a destination is chosen.

SplendidDust of AncientSuns.8453:

SoR is losing because most of us don’t give a fuggin kitten anymore. Purchased guilds? Every server buys guilds. That’s not the issue. The BG/SoR problem is that BG coordinates with X server against us and SoR isn’t down with putting up with that for 6 out of 7 weeks or whatever it is. Uphill battle all season.

We will stay and fight 24/7 but gunning for 1st place ain’t gonna happen. I commend BG for the strategy they’ve implemented, even if it is shady. I mean, you guys used to be fun to fight but this is not enjoyable anymore.

Sad thing is that it’s all for a dumb dolyak finisher.

This has nothing to do with sor/bg. keep that garbage in the match thread AND we are talking about buying guilds here not 2v1’s. L2politic if thats your issue, but take it to a different thread.

Calm down broski. Every other comment here is focusing on the BG SoR debate anyway so don’t come down on me when everyone else is already talking about it. Keep YOUR garbage out by not policing the thread and actually contribute something. You got an attitude over nothing.

I think all is fair in love and war. Imo people who aren’t willing to do anything to win don’t deserve to win.

Of all the comments here I have yet to see one from those servers that actively buy paid transfers for the purpose of wvw or their own reasoning, nor have guilds who have been paid for speak up or justify their own decisions (not that they need to) for making the server swap. I am very curious about this, and perhaps it would enlighten myself and others.

It seems that individuals guilds or servers that purchase these other guilds have a deep desire to win for either themselves or their server. Isnt this then related to server pride in some form? that theyre willing to pay x gold for the services of another, to make sure that this gives coverage across all timezones?

Would server pride be justified in this instance? if it is for the benefit of an entire server?