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Posted by: CRrabbit.1284

CRrabbit.1284

Assuming that every warrior equips with new healing skill.
You hit = their HP full, You don’t hit = their HP full, You wait/run = they hit you.

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Posted by: Wididyth.3847

Wididyth.3847

How about kiting ? The buff only lasts 3 seconds.

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Posted by: Cassocaster.4576

Cassocaster.4576

Condition dmg seems like a good tack….

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Posted by: frans.8092

frans.8092

At least cripple isn’t transformed into a kind of swiftness

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Posted by: Solstice.1097

Solstice.1097

I would think a Guardian zerg > warrior zerg. Perma-stability and keep blasting retalition the warriors will kill themselves or be forced to run away.

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Posted by: Gathslan.1870

Gathslan.1870

From what they showed in the livestream the new heal will be pretty bad, 3 seconds is not long at all and in no way will you take enough dmg to heal you full within that time or even get as much hp back as healing surge.

In zergs it might work ok if you get lucky and a whole lot of people hit you(or you go complete suicide and put it on) but in any small scale type of fighting it will be completely useless.

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Posted by: Wididyth.3847

Wididyth.3847

I would think a Guardian zerg > warrior zerg. Perma-stability and keep blasting retalition the warriors will kill themselves or be forced to run away.

What if a warrior activates his new heal skill and attacks someone under retaliation ? Does it heal himself ? <3

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Posted by: CRrabbit.1284

CRrabbit.1284

How can you kite a zerg……
This is not 1v1, this is about zerg vs zerg.

How about kiting ? The buff only lasts 3 seconds.

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Posted by: RyuDragnier.9476

RyuDragnier.9476

From what they showed in the livestream the new heal will be pretty bad, 3 seconds is not long at all and in no way will you take enough dmg to heal you full within that time or even get as much hp back as healing surge.

In zergs it might work ok if you get lucky and a whole lot of people hit you(or you go complete suicide and put it on) but in any small scale type of fighting it will be completely useless.

I could see a team of warriors pulling a time-wasting tactic used with it. Run into group → Endure Pain → Defiant Stance. Just 1 warrior bought at least 10 seconds for your server to get there. Multiples? You may have bought them 30 seconds.

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Posted by: CRrabbit.1284

CRrabbit.1284

lol you trust the livestream.
Have you tried yourself yet?
This is my experience:
Guardian crying: WTF I was hit by meter shower 6k+!!!
Warrior: where where??
The opponent ele: How can I stop healing that warrior?

From what they showed in the livestream the new heal will be pretty bad, 3 seconds is not long at all and in no way will you take enough dmg to heal you full within that time or even get as much hp back as healing surge.

In zergs it might work ok if you get lucky and a whole lot of people hit you(or you go complete suicide and put it on) but in any small scale type of fighting it will be completely useless.

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Posted by: Chris.3290

Chris.3290

It’s just endure pain with healing. Mass Necro fields remain a great way to counter this; plus if they aren’t running healing signet they don’t have that constant regen like they usually have.

Not to mention nothing in between recharges. Unless they are running Endure Pain and Defy Pain trait.

I haven’t feared direct damage as a warrior for a long time now (laugh off 90% of thieves), but it’s condition + direct damage that takes me down the most. (mesmers with a good mix will beat me more than any other type.

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Posted by: Roe.3679

Roe.3679

I think this heal will have the potential to make some massive heals, but generally I think the blocks would be more useful than the damage conversion.

I’ll be equipping my unblockabke daze just for the like since now warriors and guardians can be trolled by it.

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Posted by: kelman.9451

kelman.9451

Easy, go stealth and/or put out 20 clones and run away because you are outnumber, or wait 3 seconds then attack.

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Posted by: Prysin.8542

Prysin.8542

Assuming that every warrior equips with new healing skill.
You hit = their HP full, You don’t hit = their HP full, You wait/run = they hit you.

ill use Muddy Terrain and Krytan Drakehound and watch them stand in one spot for 6 seconds while i /laugh at em

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Posted by: Zephyrus.9680

Zephyrus.9680

Kill them in the 30 seconds after they heal for 2k?… Each damage tick you take during the 3 seconds heals 900 or 9xx so realistically it will heal maybe 5-10k in the middle of taking damage. The fact that it’s so conditional already makes it gimmicky and limited use.

The warrior’s new heal seems like one of the worst ones and it doesn’t complement warrior it all. They should have made it instant cast and stun break. Only thief’s new heal is worse.

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Posted by: Valik Shin.9027

Valik Shin.9027

Warrior new heal could have uses in certain builds but its nothing special

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Posted by: Draygo.9473

Draygo.9473

Shattered formation works well against tightly packed warrior groups. Kite their blob, pile damage and conditions on them and at some point they break up and start dying a few at a time.

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Posted by: Zylonite.5913

Zylonite.5913

>>What you gonna do VS a Warrior Zerg in WvW?
you run and hide under a rock.

jokes aside. 10 CC necros can AoE down a zerg of warriors easy…

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Posted by: selan.8354

selan.8354

honestly, if i was a warrior, i’d stick to healing signet…..

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Posted by: Furiousbeard.7602

Furiousbeard.7602

New warrior heal skill is for pve. It’s garbage in WVW.

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Posted by: RyuDragnier.9476

RyuDragnier.9476

New warrior heal skill is for pve. It’s garbage in WVW.

I laughed. You’re never going to see something hit hard or fast enough for it to be of use in PvE (short of a champion risen abomination). It was made for WvW and PvP.

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Posted by: Rednik.3809

Rednik.3809

Assuming that every warrior equips with new healing skill.
You hit = their HP full, You don’t hit = their HP full, You wait/run = they hit you.

I’ll take standard melee train composed with guards/wars 1 to 1 + ranged support and wreck this laughable parody in ~30-40sec. Warriors cannot sustain themselves without external help.

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Posted by: SoulSin.5682

SoulSin.5682

No offense but, I can’t see any use for that Skill except for Zergs vs Zergs.

There is nowhere else that you will receive enough hits to make the new Heal worth using.

That skill is most of the time, a nerfed version of Shelter.

(PS: I don’t play Warrior)

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Posted by: Sporks.4395

Sporks.4395

minion master zerg! high condi and lots O’ epi!

#magswag
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Posted by: Prysin.8542

Prysin.8542

New warrior heal skill is for pve. It’s garbage in WVW.

I laughed. You’re never going to see something hit hard or fast enough for it to be of use in PvE (short of a champion risen abomination). It was made for WvW and PvP.

And even in WvW it will be useless unless your enemy is some idiot with quickness and full zerker gear.

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Posted by: Zephyrus.9680

Zephyrus.9680

New warrior heal skill is for pve. It’s garbage in WVW.

I laughed. You’re never going to see something hit hard or fast enough for it to be of use in PvE (short of a champion risen abomination). It was made for WvW and PvP.

And even in WvW it will be useless unless your enemy is some idiot with quickness and full zerker gear.

It’s obviously not a 1v1 skill… It needs around 8 hits in 3 seconds to match healing surge. And they need to all be AoE hits because the stance is visible to your opponent. This means 1v1 the skill will heal 3k at most, every 35 seconds… Except vs conditions it will do more but again, it doesn’t complement warriors because they almost all run condition reduction. The skill just won’t see any use until it’s buffed.

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Posted by: DeadlySynz.3471

DeadlySynz.3471

Some of you make it sound as if it’s an over the top skill. The only possible decent use of this I can see is in a small group fight where the warrior is near death, pops the skill, and the others stupidly continue to hit.

In a zerg vs zerg battle, a warrior pops it, and as someone said, it may heal them 5-10k if they take a flurry of hits. After it wears off though, then can just as easily take 30K + damage in less than 3 seconds. That’s exactly what’s going to happen if their in the front lines.

It’s cool in the effect that it can heal dependent on how much your hit, but in reality, is usefulness is limited.

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Posted by: urdriel.8496

urdriel.8496

endure pain + traited endure pain + berserker stance + stability , and at the end you can pop the new heal skill.

14sec of ZERO damage received if you have stances traited.

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Posted by: Tentacle Love.3412

Tentacle Love.3412

It’s three seconds of not dying to damage.

let me think: Do I want to have a healing signet, which doesn’t have enough healing to keep me alive, or a skill that can make me invincible for three seconds?

Do I want to take 90,000 damage from a zerg and die, or do I want to take zero damage from a zerg and keep their attention long enough for my zerg to assassinate them?

Hmm, let me think about this:
Do I want bags and bags galore, or do I want to suck and be a liability to my server?

Man these are some tough questions. I’m gonna have to do some soul-searching before I decide whether really awesome skills are appropriate for my build or not.

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Posted by: fett.9573

fett.9573

Condition dmg seems like a good tack….

From what I was told yesterday it absorbs the condition damage as well.

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Posted by: Blackarps.1974

Blackarps.1974

A zerg of Mesmers to Moa them all! That or just make a thousand clones to troll them.

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Posted by: Peetee.9406

Peetee.9406

Usually when I see a giant war/guard zerg, I click the ’Go to Heart of the Mists’ button.

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Posted by: Absconditus.6804

Absconditus.6804

Only thief’s new heal is worse.

Groups of Venom Share thieves. Totally going to be the new meta. Mhm..

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Posted by: Furiousbeard.7602

Furiousbeard.7602

The warrior heal isn’t good guys. Nobody is using it. RELAX!

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Posted by: ukuni.8745

ukuni.8745

confusion spam is now a thing warrior’s can come to love

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Posted by: McWolfy.5924

McWolfy.5924

its a pure wvw skill. 10 warrior melee train do 30k dmg in a sec on an armored target (if they are well coordinated) the other what i can image is a full berzerker warrior face tanking something

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Posted by: Furiousbeard.7602

Furiousbeard.7602

A zerker warrior can already face tank when last stand is up.

This is not a practical heal for general wvw play.

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Posted by: NargofWoV.4267

NargofWoV.4267

I agree with what has been posted here, this heal is very very situational, and I doubt often used. Also, I’ve yet to see a “warrior zerg” like ever. And seriously doubt I ever will. Maybe goofing off during off season time, but not during the wvw season rush.

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Posted by: Straegen.2938

Straegen.2938

The signet isn’t a serious issue. That said 2 guardians and 3 warriors per party times X is dominating right now. The only way to beat it is to bring a bigger group of players by a good bit.

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

How about kiting ? The buff only lasts 3 seconds.

You clearly do not zerg fight in WvW.

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Posted by: Zephyrus.9680

Zephyrus.9680

How about kiting ? The buff only lasts 3 seconds.

You clearly do not zerg fight in WvW.

Hard to spot sarcasm on the internets.

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Posted by: Chasind.3128

Chasind.3128

You double check you have stability, that’s how!

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Posted by: selan.8354

selan.8354

You double check you have stability, that’s how!

lol yeah the 2 seconds a mes gets is soo useful in a zerg..ill go jump right in. u forget not everyone is a heavy armor class with unlimited access to stability.

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Posted by: Chasind.3128

Chasind.3128

You double check you have stability, that’s how!

lol yeah the 2 seconds a mes gets is soo useful in a zerg..ill go jump right in. u forget not everyone is a heavy armor class with unlimited access to stability.

Yeah I play an elementalist, I know the meaning of super squish & how imporant it is to use AoE(armor of earth) which is about 6s- I tend to run around the zerg though lol

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Posted by: selan.8354

selan.8354

You double check you have stability, that’s how!

lol yeah the 2 seconds a mes gets is soo useful in a zerg..ill go jump right in. u forget not everyone is a heavy armor class with unlimited access to stability.

Yeah I play an elementalist, I know the meaning of super squish & how imporant it is to use AoE(armor of earth) which is about 6s- I tend to run around the zerg though lol

yep kiting is pretty much the only thing u can do, but most of the times theyll get u even there. lots of those trains focus caster right away…yay i love haveing such great swiftness on my mes!!!..wait.

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Posted by: Wididyth.3847

Wididyth.3847

How can you kite a zerg……
This is not 1v1, this is about zerg vs zerg.

How about kiting ? The buff only lasts 3 seconds.

I’m not saying it’s easy, but you can kite a zerg, it works approximately as a single character. You can avoid it as well, just as you try to dodge a zerg which is attacking you while you are in a bad position.

@style : When I play WvW, what I do is almost always zerg fight :s

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Posted by: Furiousbeard.7602

Furiousbeard.7602

Would you complainers be happy if the Warrior was glowing neon pink so that you knew not to hit him for 3 seconds?

It seems like this skill needs to be very visible for you since it scares you so much.

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Posted by: Julie Yann.5379

Julie Yann.5379

My guess is you are probably going to die.

Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
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Posted by: Trick.9370

Trick.9370

Run and activate Benny Hill tune for 3 secs and then go in!?

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Posted by: grave of hearts.7830

grave of hearts.7830

Condition dmg seems like a good tack….

From what I was told yesterday it absorbs the condition damage as well.

Yes thats correct,they do absorb all dmg.
Saw warrior hitting the heal and getting healed for the conditions ticks and even the siphons.
I would guess that siege dmg also turns into heal.

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