Assigned tower? lol. I cover the whole map. So do most of the scouts on my server. It’s not a stationary job and we do it quite effectively.
It isn’t? We generally have someone in every tower and keep other then spawn keeps. I see part of the issue is your incorrectly making assumptions that everyone does it in the same manner that you do.
Aren’t you doing the same by saying “We generally have someone in every tower and… blah blah blah”? Where did I say that was the only way to play? I simply said this is how my server does it. Stop trying to create a fight when there is none. You seem to only know that one mode of communication and no other (I took a look at your posting history).
Here’s the thing: I can get supp, jump into a nearby tower, upgrade it, siege up the tower or keep, jump out and duel, and STILL monitor the map and get there in time to save the tower/keep. That comes from basic time in game and learning to read the map.
I have no doubt in my mind that you have been out dueling and missed plenty of scouting calls.
I have no doubt in my mind what I do actually do on map and know that you do not.
Because most folks in EU (there are some exceptions, but they’re rare) respect duels, I can also yell out in map when I see a big blob of enemy go by and indicate which direction they’re going. That blob won’t bother with two duellers. They respect different styles of gameplay.
I see, so you speak for all of the players on every EU server now? Even though many of posted in this very thread about not caring about duels and the “if it is red it is dead” perspective. Not only are you disingenuously presuming to speak for others in your community, your doing so in a thread with post that go against your claim.
I can only tell you what I see. Heck I even linked a video for you, demonstrating it.
Oh but I can. I often monitor all four maps too and help coordinate movement on our core team. Lots of us on Piken do that — it’s part of the gameplay as scout. In fact, all of our scouts will watch all four maps and help network and feed info.
You also claim to speak for the entire community, and claim every one in EU supports dueling. So I doubt you are being completely honest with this claim as well.
Again, learn to read. I was speaking about my server and how we work as a team. You are again creating a combative statement when there is none.
I rarely rarely zerg. I am always doing the gruntwork and scouting. I have become proficient enough at scouting that I CAN duel and still keep up my end of the scouting job.
How are you always doing the grunt work when you specifically stated you duel often and do so in remote locations?
Gee, again inventing things I didn’t say. Where did I say I go off to remote locations? I’m certainly not in front of the gates demanding clearance, but I’m close enough to respond to anything needed.
Jayne dont bother with dancingmonkey and coglin mate, theyre known for derailing threads or just arguing for the sake of arguing wherever they can its a waste of time.
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Jayne dont bother with dancingmonkey and coglin mate, theyre known for derailing threads or just arguing for the sake of arguing wherever they can its a waste of time.
I rarely rarely zerg. I am always doing the gruntwork and scouting. I have become proficient enough at scouting that I CAN duel and still keep up my end of the scouting job.
How are you always doing the grunt work when you specifically stated you duel often and do so in remote locations?
Gee, again inventing things I didn’t say. Where did I say I go off to remote locations? I’m certainly not in front of the gates demanding clearance, but I’m close enough to respond to anything needed.
So if your not going off into remote locations, you must be fighting near keeps and other activity then?
That was my point. It seems fairly unanimous to the community, from the post I am reading, that have no reasonable expectation of being left alone when you fight in those locations.
If you don’t want to be interrupted all you have to do is go duel in an out of the way location like the entrance to the BL JP or south of south camp or in the top corners near skritt and centaurs. Duel anywhere else and the old “If it’s red, it’s dead” adage will hold true.
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Honor is only good if you honor it. Personally, if I were to come across two people fighting, I’m not going to bother trying to figure out of they are dueling or not. I’m probably going to attack the enemy player first, and ask questions later. Or else they might attack me.
I don’t have opinions. I only have facts I can’t adequately prove.
I think the best part of this thread is if you took all of the people defending the honor of duels and put them on a single server, then took all of the absolute kittenbags finding excuses to jump on duels and put them on a single server, you would find that the PPTers would get their kitten kicked in for an entire week.
Like literally the night and day comparison between the two arguments is “Am I good enough to fight people as a single person and can I understand the importance of a balanced fight in a dying gamemode”. I’m sorry PPTers, except I’m not, but your game mode was boring 2 years ago. If you’re still getting worked up over SMC getting capped by the enemy then you need to go back to special ed.
Alright, I already stated the way I see dueling in WvW in general on page 2. But after reading this thread I tried to give those so called honorfull duelists a chance.
So we all know that area near the sentry just north of the bridge to the south camp on every borderland. I see ppl duelling there quite often. So what happened? Conquered the south camp and a dolly immediately started moving to the south east tower. So my wife and I decided to stay with the dolly, trying to ensure its safety. Guess what happened? Duelists around the sentry. A few (think it was 3 or 4) enemy guys on the small hill to the east watching their mate fighting another enemy (so it was red on both sides for us) who had a few guys watching from the other side.
Usually we’d just attacked them, but with this thread in mind, we decided to give it a try and just move a long with our dolly not attacking anyone.
At first, nothing happened. As soon as we were close to the sentry area, out of a sudden those guys from the east hill attacked. Mesmer shatter spike + medi guard burst within a second. So much about duelists and their precious honor.
tl;dr gonna stick to “when it’s red, it’s dead”; if you’re so much into 1v1 duels and can’t stand getting interupted, get yourself a custom pvp arena; you can 1v1 all day long
Like literally the night and day comparison between the two arguments is “Am I good enough to fight people as a single person and can I understand the importance of a balanced fight in a dying gamemode”. I’m sorry PPTers, except I’m not, but your game mode was boring 2 years ago. If you’re still getting worked up over SMC getting capped by the enemy then you need to go back to special ed.
Lol you seem to contradict yourself from one paragraph to the other. The one above, you mention you duel. The one below, you seem to indicate that duelling is WRONG and wasting your server’s time! Make up your mind.
I think you’re missing the point.
A reasonable person can do something (like duelling in WvW) themselves, but still acknowledge that that thing they do is not something to be particularly proud of and/or appropriate for the place they are doing it in and/or something you should hate others for interrupting.
It’s not the case that, just because you happen to do something yourself, you must fully support it, or feel it is somehow sacrosanct.
Another example would be smoking – you could be a smoker yourself, but still fully understand that it affects people around you negatively and respect laws that prevent people smoking around other people.
That is not hypocrisy, or contradiction – that is having consideration for others.
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That is not hypocrisy, or contradiction – that is having consideration for others.
That’s been my point all along.
Wiping two people duelling with 20 does nothing for your server.
Have consideration for others, you don’t know what they do otherwise to contribute to your server. Let them play how they want.
The poster you indirectly quoted (by quoting my response) was saying that unless you’re flipping dolyaks, camps, joining the zerg you’re wasting your server’s time. Yet in the same breath describes fights where she’s duelling. It IS hypocrisy. Go back and re-read. And then later goes on to say she interrupts duels for the lols. So in effect, she’s saying that it’s ok if she does it, but not if others.
Duelists around the sentry. A few (think it was 3 or 4) enemy guys on the small hill to the east watching their mate fighting another enemy (so it was red on both sides for us) who had a few guys watching from the other side.
Usually we’d just attacked them, but with this thread in mind, we decided to give it a try and just move a long with our dolly not attacking anyone.
At first, nothing happened. As soon as we were close to the sentry area, out of a sudden those guys from the east hill attacked.
Sorry that happened. In my experience, typically it won’t.
I’m wondering if your guild has been tagged as people who usually attack duellers — so they were making sure you didn’t stake anyone (and forcing them to run back from spawn) ahead of time?
Next time try even a simple /wave before you move past. Or whisper and say you’re just passing through, no attack. If you guild has a reputation prior of killing duellers, you can’t really blame them for pre-empting.
My suggestion: Remove armor, /dance nearby and make it a spectator event. Voyeurism is the new trend among Hipsters. Trust me on this.
(True duels in a high traffic area are rare in my experience. Because its pretty dang unusual that people will be left alone. Generally if you wait a few moments, that 1v1 will turn into a 3v1 in short order.)
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The basic problem is that a bunch of scrubs see “red” and think “enemy” completely ignoring the part where we’re all just players looking to have fun. “Destroying the enemy” is pointless: there are waypoints.
Work with the other servers instead to create the most fun possible and we all win.
(That doesn’t mean ktraining, you EOTM cheaters.)
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Here we go again: use the OS for your duels. Thanks! You will get interrupted, ganked and blobbed on regular basis so don’t even try to duel on a regular WvW map…or stop being salty on this forum. Use the “real” WvW forum for this kind of stuff but be prepared: it’s a god kitten salt mine! xD
BTW a lot of folks in EU are blaming duelists and even roamers whenever they get outnumbered in zerg fights while they have a queue…so I would say they rather hate duels and don’t respect them at all.
I guess when I’m in OS you’ll build all the siege, refresh it, and monitor the map?
Oh that’s right, you don’t do that. Ever.
Why should I do stuff like that? xD It is boring and pointless if you don’t care about ppt. The only thing I contribute to ppt is flipping all camps on the map…and killing other roamers and poor zerglings, who try to run back to their mother blob. I miss you ppk! T_T
BTW scouting/upgrading/defending and duels have nothing to do with each other so this is no argument against using the OS for duels.
Edit: Why is Jayne highjacking so many threads? So many discussions end up with Jayne vs all…so pointless…
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Here we go again: use the OS for your duels. Thanks! You will get interrupted, ganked and blobbed on regular basis so don’t even try to duel on a regular WvW map…or stop being salty on this forum. Use the “real” WvW forum for this kind of stuff but be prepared: it’s a god kitten salt mine! xD
BTW a lot of folks in EU are blaming duelists and even roamers whenever they get outnumbered in zerg fights while they have a queue…so I would say they rather hate duels and don’t respect them at all.
I guess when I’m in OS you’ll build all the siege, refresh it, and monitor the map?
Oh that’s right, you don’t do that. Ever.
Why should I do stuff like that? xD It is boring and pointless if you don’t care about ppt. The only thing I contribute to ppt is flipping all camps on the map…and killing other roamers and poor zerglings, who try to run back to their mother blob. I miss you ppk! T_T
BTW scouting/upgrading/defending and duels have nothing to do with each other so this is no argument against using the OS for duels.
You are saying go to OS if I want to duel. Your words.
In the same breath you are saying that you will not upgrade/siege/defend.
If I’m stuck in a queue because I took a break to have a duel from doing the other grunt work, who’s going to do the grunt work? The refreshing, the scouting, etc?
If duelers want respect, they should act respectful. I can’t go a week without some idiot dueler hanging out on the south side of SMC acting like he is just waiting for another dueler to show up, deciding to attack me while I run past trying to catch up with the zerg. If you want to duel, hang around the other duelers, only fight with those duelers, and I will completely ignore you. Roamers should take the same advice. In my experience, most zergs with decent commanders ignore roamers or duelers completely because they are on the way to OJs, but once a roamer attacks the zerg’s tail, the commander gets kittened off and adopts a “kill on sight” policy. Just remember the golden rule and we will all have a good time.
Edit: Why is Jayne highjacking so many threads? So many discussions end up with Jayne vs all…so pointless…
Why are you on the wrong side of the argument? So far this thread has been divided between players who know how to fight well and can respect an even fight, and players who probably still use full PVT and wouldn’t be able to fight their way out of a paper bag. Perhaps WvW should be instead reserved for the fighters and the PPTers should be forced to use EotM.
If duelers want respect, they should act respectful. I can’t go a week without some idiot dueler hanging out on the south side of SMC acting like he is just waiting for another dueler to show up, deciding to attack me while I run past trying to catch up with the zerg. If you want to duel, hang around the other duelers, only fight with those duelers, and I will completely ignore you. Roamers should take the same advice. In my experience, most zergs with decent commanders ignore roamers or duelers completely because they are on the way to OJs, but once a roamer attacks the zerg’s tail, the commander gets kittened off and adopts a “kill on sight” policy. Just remember the golden rule and we will all have a good time.
I think that’s completely fair. And a good way to look at it.
If they’re being ganking jerks, wipe them.
If they’re just out practising and not bothering anyone, leave them be.
Edit: Why is Jayne highjacking so many threads? So many discussions end up with Jayne vs all…so pointless…
Why are you on the wrong side of the argument? So far this thread has been divided between players who know how to fight well and can respect an even fight, and players who probably still use full PVT and wouldn’t be able to fight their way out of a paper bag. Perhaps WvW should be instead reserved for the fighters and the PPTers should be forced to use EotM.
Perhaps you should stick to facts or strong talking points, instead of dishonestly accusing those who disagree with you as being ones who do not know how to fight? Or claiming to suggest what gear the wear?
What side of the argument is wrong or right is subjective. Dueling doesn’t break any rules as far as I know. Killing enemies, regardless of whether or not they are in a perceived duel, doesn’t break any rules that I am aware of. So if you want to claim who is wrong or right, well, factual you are, by falsely claiming there it is wrong or right to kill an enemy, regardless of the circumstances.
