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Posted by: aandiarie.7195

aandiarie.7195

In a way the updates to wvw we have are sort of like an expansion. The changes have helped and are a major step in the right direction.

We now have a legendary backpack and ascended armor you can get from wvw.

The new specializations for the next expansion will help in wvw possibly or make it feel a bit more new.

Anet has been working on balance, server population, match selection changes, improved rewards and etc.

Anet has been making changes to wvw since the 1st expansion and at least they were nice enough to correct the issues from the expansion and work in extra stuff early.

Anet is working on it and I believe there is another big change coming to wvw that will be added before the expansion.

We just have to be patient and constructive in feedback for wvw solutions and ideas.

I wish they’d slightly resize the desert bl so towers would be in support of keeps like they are sized on the alpine maps. It takes twice as long to get anywhere and the towers are placed in an odd spot in comparison to alpine maps.

I also hope that there’d be a new obsidian sanctum that guilds can queue up with to face other guilds from different tiers and guild halls that would support gvgs without having to worry about the map of the guild hall updating so often and making you change maps.

Or maybe they can add another map selection called a battle royale where you queue in with 5,10, 15, or 20 people and you fight in a HUGE maze with monsters and traps and in the center face off and whatever guild is left standing wins wvw pips. They could use the maze from the halloween holiday.

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Posted by: Chaba.5410

Chaba.5410

It does make some sense to have WvW on its own with regards to development because then resources are devoted to it specifically. If it were put on a schedule forced to coincide with PvE content releases, there’s a greater chance of WvW changes being considered lower priority than something else and not getting worked on. We saw that I think with HoT where Desert BL was released basically unchanged and still buggy after all the feedback from the betas.

It just looks awkward because whenever there is some hype for something new in a different part of the game, people expect all parts of the game to have something new at the same time.

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Posted by: SrebX.6498

SrebX.6498

Come to think of it: If the only reason for wvw players to buy the expansion is that the new elites are that OP that without you you don’t stand a chance, and if the new elites only suit their respective weapons (or D/P in thieve’s case because anet don’t get that the set itself is OP) : Then I am forced to play a certain set and that’s the opposite of “play how you want”. If you boil all of it down it’s really so sad.

OR, because the new elites are really freakin’ interesting and you’d want to play them, OR because the new elite specs will be new stuff to the table that hasn’t been in the game so far and it will shift the meta, OR because it’s a game you enjoy playing and it deserves some recognition and support (Yes, wallet support) seeing as how you spent 60$ on it (Or 90-120$) and gotten thousands upon thousands of hours from it in the past 4 freakin years

Btw this is one of the few games where “play what you want” does actually work, because you can play what you want and it will most likely be viable, But some specs will always be better than others, that’s just how world works really, please accept that
Or maybe you want them to make everything equal? Just slap on the same amount of dmg, cc and condi on every skill with different animations, you know, for fairness!!

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Posted by: Pheppo.9286

Pheppo.9286

Please NO NEW CONTENT IN WVW!!!!

We should have learned from the last update, that anet does not really understand wvw
(The “new” desert map sucks soooo hard ^^ – If this map is our homemap in wvw nobody defends the castels ^^)

JUST AD MORE SERVER POWER! The skill lags are sometimes horrific.

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Posted by: ImLegion.4018

ImLegion.4018

As several people mentioned, and Mo mentioned in the AMA, we release on our own cadence and will continue to release updates for WvW outside of the expansion release.

I also wanted to let everyone know that today is all about announcing the expansion, but later this week we will be talking about some of the upcoming updates for WvW.

You just have to wait about a year or 4 for it.

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Posted by: Shakki.3219

Shakki.3219

please dont add another useless map…

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Posted by: Najten.2418

Najten.2418

Won’t the “expansion updates” to WvW (as always) be new runes, new sigils, new abilities, new builds on characters, new stats on armor/weapons etc etc.. The Mists is sort of separated from the rest of Tyria so why would it change just because we enter a new map in the open world? I don’t remember there being a major WvW update at HoT launch either other than the obvious changes to the previously mentioned. All the major updates came later on, but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

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Posted by: Slagheap.9350

Slagheap.9350

From what I understood there’s nothing in the expansion for wvw players, which would be in keeping with the past

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Posted by: Aeolus.3615

Aeolus.3615

theres more aoe, more condi spam, and a ton of visual effects, overall more lag for sure what else is needed???

1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.

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Posted by: jaif.3518

jaif.3518

Essentially, pay $30 to continue playing the old game with newer, unbalanced specs. As amusing as that sounds…no thanks, I’ve had my fun.

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Posted by: Zhuul.1759

Zhuul.1759

later this week we will be talking about some of the upcoming updates for WvW.

Can we vote for the next backpack skin please?

Yes we can Great again

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

Dawdler.8521

theres more aoe, more condi spam, and a ton of visual effects, overall more lag for sure what else is needed???

Unbalanced AoE, overpowered condi spam, broken visual effects and WvW disconnects?

They can always go the extra step.

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Posted by: Norbe.7630

Norbe.7630

i don’t care about the gliding
i don’t care about the mounts
please give us the greatest gift in WvW and post it as an announcement to 2nd expansion
then we’ll talk about the price of that expansion for your devs work

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Posted by: Malerian.8435

Malerian.8435

Personally I like the idea of WvW updates being separate. It makes sense to me. I am looking forward to the future of WvW. And I think we are on the right path atm. There will always be things that “need fixing”. I look at WvW as evolving content. Besides I really just like fights, so as long as there are people to fight I am ok lol.

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Posted by: atheria.2837

atheria.2837

  1. rush the sale of the new expansion
  2. Rush the sales with incomplete content and lost 99% of their supporters.

Agree 100% – the always the same, lost lot of players.

I dont play this game, for me it is dead. ( i play only WvW, and when the # Heart of Thorns killed the WvW )

My guild with 70+ players, ALL left the game.

Good luck all.

Anet 200+ players don’t play whom I used to play with two years ago.

You’re not getting it.

You’re rehashing what MANY GW1 players are groaning and saying WE DID THAT ALREADY and now you dismiss WvW for mounts?

The OP is right and I will add you’re trying to be WoW which is what most of us do not want and would not go back to.

Stop ignoring us for the few who post in reddit and in the forums – those who derail every single good idea and promote bad ones you end up giving us to our everlasting sorrow.

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Posted by: atheria.2837

atheria.2837

So as always no real WvW updates or fixes, as usual.
But again, just before a DLC release, sorry expansion, they will release some QoL improvements to make it seem they are again going to work on WvW, to get us to buy the DLC, I mean expansion.

QoL improvements before a DLC release, TICK
We cant talk about it TICK
Soon™ TICK!

we release on our own cadence

As before, you cant release something you dont have!

WvW will be destroyed when they remove the stats that so many worked so hard to get…

New content? We haven’t seen any good new content for WvW in over three years.

Removing some would help. Starting with links.

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Posted by: BassHunteR.7246

BassHunteR.7246

The nee content will be the elite specs. That will enforce wvwers buying the xpack copy. Then, they will say they are developing new content but cant announce anything. And they will keep us on yhe expectation till next xpack

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Posted by: trueanimus.4085

trueanimus.4085

No mounts in wvw doesn’t surprise me any. Like most content in the game, it isnt usuable in the only real game mode GW2 has left.

Although, loving the new 200-3000 ping they added on engage with any enemy zergs. Makes it fun to see who in the squad is going to log for the night because they cant play.

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Posted by: trueanimus.4085

trueanimus.4085

So as always no real WvW updates or fixes, as usual.
But again, just before a DLC release, sorry expansion, they will release some QoL improvements to make it seem they are again going to work on WvW, to get us to buy the DLC, I mean expansion.

QoL improvements before a DLC release, TICK
We cant talk about it TICK
Soon™ TICK!

we release on our own cadence

As before, you cant release something you dont have!

WvW will be destroyed when they remove the stats that so many worked so hard to get…

New content? We haven’t seen any good new content for WvW in over three years.

Removing some would help. Starting with links.

Have to say that yes.. we have seen some.

New reward tracks were ok.. until you get the items you needed and then they are just kind of a nuisance because of all the bouncy chest pop ups….

We also got.. well.. it was added anyway… an unobtainable legendary backpack…

But hey.. we did get aoe loot and new tag colors.

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Posted by: trueanimus.4085

trueanimus.4085

theres more aoe, more condi spam, and a ton of visual effects, overall more lag for sure what else is needed???

Unbalanced AoE, overpowered condi spam, broken visual effects and WvW disconnects?

They can always go the extra step.

dont really have to worry about condi after the expansion im guessing.. just the unkillable thief at 1800 range sniping you down with condi and the unkillable burn guardians.

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Posted by: trueanimus.4085

trueanimus.4085

From what I understood there’s nothing in the expansion for wvw players, which would be in keeping with the past

yup.. no word on anything for wvw execpt the addition of new theoy crafting because of new specs.

Just when they get the specs balanced they add new ones to the mix.

Keeps the game fresh i guess.. but i would expect huge imbalances for at least a month or two as new nerf/buff cycles start.

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Posted by: trueanimus.4085

trueanimus.4085

In a way the updates to wvw we have are sort of like an expansion. The changes have helped and are a major step in the right direction.

We now have a legendary backpack and ascended armor you can get from wvw.

The new specializations for the next expansion will help in wvw possibly or make it feel a bit more new.

Anet has been working on balance, server population, match selection changes, improved rewards and etc.

Anet has been making changes to wvw since the 1st expansion and at least they were nice enough to correct the issues from the expansion and work in extra stuff early.

Anet is working on it and I believe there is another big change coming to wvw that will be added before the expansion.

We just have to be patient and constructive in feedback for wvw solutions and ideas.

I wish they’d slightly resize the desert bl so towers would be in support of keeps like they are sized on the alpine maps. It takes twice as long to get anywhere and the towers are placed in an odd spot in comparison to alpine maps.

I also hope that there’d be a new obsidian sanctum that guilds can queue up with to face other guilds from different tiers and guild halls that would support gvgs without having to worry about the map of the guild hall updating so often and making you change maps.

Or maybe they can add another map selection called a battle royale where you queue in with 5,10, 15, or 20 people and you fight in a HUGE maze with monsters and traps and in the center face off and whatever guild is left standing wins wvw pips. They could use the maze from the halloween holiday.

Right now the biggest thing they need to fix is the memory leak that is killing people in wvw. Nothing like being in a 50 man squad only to lag and dc as soon as other players come on map. 10-20 second lag on skills on engage means that you lag at 1 fps for that time.. then you are dead and reapawning.. as long as you dont have the memory leak and get stuck on load screen.

Over the past month or so.. with all the DDOS attacks on the server.. the wvw aspect of the game has almost become unplayable.

As it stands now.. whoever gets thier skills off first in a big fight wins. It has nothing to do with skill or even player numbers… just whoever gets the bomb off first and lags the server wins instantly because the rest of the players cant even respond.

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Posted by: trueanimus.4085

trueanimus.4085

please dont add another useless map…

underwater map anyone?

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Posted by: Lord Trejgon.2809

Lord Trejgon.2809

theres more aoe, more condi spam, and a ton of visual effects, overall more lag for sure what else is needed???

Unbalanced AoE, overpowered condi spam, broken visual effects and WvW disconnects?

They can always go the extra step.

dont really have to worry about condi after the expansion im guessing.. just the unkillable thief at 1800 range sniping you down with condi and the unkillable burn guardians.

1500 as for all the footage I have seen so far – exacly same as rangers traited longbow or engies traited nades…….

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Posted by: Trajan.4953

Trajan.4953

As long as we keep complaining about problems that are 3-5 years old, we will get what we want!

And GvG support.

lel

CCCP….

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Posted by: Nighteyess.2149

Nighteyess.2149

You do realize that in WvW/PvP other players are the content? With the new expansion we will be getting a ton of new play styles, new builds, new gear stats, new meta! You can spend countless hours theory crafting and testing.

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Posted by: StanleyJohny.8047

StanleyJohny.8047

Reading this thread is like being in a club of masochists.
If you guys all hate WvW so much then maybe it is time to stop playing it and move on?
I’m playing WvW since launch on the same server forever (Piken ftw), it had its ups and downs but at the end there is still plenty of people playing and a lot of great commanders leading the charge. Of course it is not the same as a few years ago but you can still have a lot of fun in there.
The ones who keep saying “WvW is dead” most likely don’t even play it anymore because they think it is dead so it is not worth to go back to it.

By typing “WvW is dead” “Devs dont care about WvW” “We get nothing new for years” you are not contributing anything for this game mode. You only discourage other from looking into it and playing.
Maybe instead of whining around, post an actual ideas and propositions on what to do and where to improve?

This is making me sick that most (not all) of “true WvW players” who are posting in WvW forum section only thing they have to say is crying and lamenting how they are left out by devs and not getting cared about.

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Posted by: Swamurabi.7890

Swamurabi.7890

Reading this thread is like being in a club of masochists.
If you guys all hate WvW so much then maybe it is time to stop playing it and move on?
I’m playing WvW since launch on the same server forever (Piken ftw), it had its ups and downs but at the end there is still plenty of people playing and a lot of great commanders leading the charge. Of course it is not the same as a few years ago but you can still have a lot of fun in there.
The ones who keep saying “WvW is dead” most likely don’t even play it anymore because they think it is dead so it is not worth to go back to it.

By typing “WvW is dead” “Devs dont care about WvW” “We get nothing new for years” you are not contributing anything for this game mode. You only discourage other from looking into it and playing.
Maybe instead of whining around, post an actual ideas and propositions on what to do and where to improve?

This is making me sick that most (not all) of “true WvW players” who are posting in WvW forum section only thing they have to say is crying and lamenting how they are left out by devs and not getting cared about.

What you take as players hating WvW I see as players that love to play WvW, but see that it could be so much better. They’ve played it even though they face enemies with larger forces and have wanted a fix to population balance for years. They’ve played WvW knowing that there’s only a few builds on a select few classes, no medium armor allowed, and have wanted skill balance for years. They’ve gone through the HoT expansion and have seen the old vanilla classes/builds disappear. They’ve had to PvE grind in order to both unlock the new elite specs and the guild upgrades they already had. They’ve seen a map introduced that wasn’t as much fun to play on as the original two but have only seen small fixes that haven’t corrected the issues why most players avoid it. They’ve also gone through several years of small fixes because most of the resources are working on PvE content, even though WvW is supposed to be a “core” part of GW2.

WvW is still the best part of GW2 but it can be so much better, it SHOULD be better. I used to raid at least 5 times a week with my guild. I barely get on anymore. I’m starting not to miss it. I might buy the xpac, might not. I don’t have the motivation to spend all my time in PvE unlocking 9 elite specs or grinding for the newest OP armor stats just to go on a outnumbered WvW map.

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Posted by: StanleyJohny.8047

StanleyJohny.8047

What you take as players hating WvW I see as players that love to play WvW, but see that it could be so much better. They’ve played it even though they face enemies with larger forces and have wanted a fix to population balance for years. They’ve played WvW knowing that there’s only a few builds on a select few classes, no medium armor allowed, and have wanted skill balance for years. They’ve gone through the HoT expansion and have seen the old vanilla classes/builds disappear. They’ve had to PvE grind in order to both unlock the new elite specs and the guild upgrades they already had. They’ve seen a map introduced that wasn’t as much fun to play on as the original two but have only seen small fixes that haven’t corrected the issues why most players avoid it. They’ve also gone through several years of small fixes because most of the resources are working on PvE content, even though WvW is supposed to be a “core” part of GW2.

WvW is still the best part of GW2 but it can be so much better, it SHOULD be better. I used to raid at least 5 times a week with my guild. I barely get on anymore. I’m starting not to miss it. I might buy the xpac, might not. I don’t have the motivation to spend all my time in PvE unlocking 9 elite specs or grinding for the newest OP armor stats just to go on a outnumbered WvW map.

In my post was talking only about players that keep coming into forums to do stuff like:
“Oh another thread about non existent changes in WvW. My time to shine!”
then make a post like:
“Hello everyone, WvW is dead, good bye have a nice day!”
This is sad and hilarious at the same time.

WvW is still the best part of GW2 but it can be so much better, it SHOULD be better.

I completely agree here. But as I said earlier it makes me angry that so many players in here instead of trying to make a reasonable discussion just hate on game mode which they love so much.

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Posted by: atheria.2837

atheria.2837

What you take as players hating WvW I see as players that love to play WvW, but see that it could be so much better. They’ve played it even though they face enemies with larger forces and have wanted a fix to population balance for years. They’ve played WvW knowing that there’s only a few builds on a select few classes, no medium armor allowed, and have wanted skill balance for years. They’ve gone through the HoT expansion and have seen the old vanilla classes/builds disappear. They’ve had to PvE grind in order to both unlock the new elite specs and the guild upgrades they already had. They’ve seen a map introduced that wasn’t as much fun to play on as the original two but have only seen small fixes that haven’t corrected the issues why most players avoid it. They’ve also gone through several years of small fixes because most of the resources are working on PvE content, even though WvW is supposed to be a “core” part of GW2.

WvW is still the best part of GW2 but it can be so much better, it SHOULD be better. I used to raid at least 5 times a week with my guild. I barely get on anymore. I’m starting not to miss it. I might buy the xpac, might not. I don’t have the motivation to spend all my time in PvE unlocking 9 elite specs or grinding for the newest OP armor stats just to go on a outnumbered WvW map.
(QUOTED)

This is how it is on most WvW maps, from Tier 1 to Tier 4. Overwhelmed or overwhelming but not anywhere near in balanced fighting numbers on any side.

Sorry to repeat, but I still have over 200 players on my contact list who don’t play any longer – and they haven’t logged in, many of them, for over a year.

I don’t delete my contacts, people I played with for years, all because I keep hoping but they not returning tells me what I quoted above are many of the main issues.

Part of WvW was being able to get to know people – but ever changing populations, little in symbiotic comms between links, being told one is ‘only on a link’ (that was new to me since I was on a host server forever and a day) and not being able to gain pips for 30 min or more and then watching a dozen stand at spawn for hours – yes, it is getting hard to find those to get into groups at all in the most pretty much mandatory cooperative mode the game offer for success.

I am not a naysayer – I’ve given a lot of good ideas over the years – as have many – WvW is the best gaming mode and can be better by going backwards to a more fun and more productive environment

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Posted by: Serious.6940

Serious.6940

The competitive potential of this game has been pretty much wasted at this point.

Unless they came up with a fully polished GvG implementation there is little hat can be done to bring back all the competitive players they’ve lost.

WvW will just consist of zergs farming for rewards instead of guild having interesting fights using unique strategies like in the first 2 years.

They have had 2 different attempts at a GvG arena, both failed for obvious reasons. The main one is they were too small. The guild hall PvP area was a good idea, but badly implemented, you couldn’t get two teams of 10 fighting a battle there let alone 50.

They need a completely new map idea, separate from everything else with a large area of flat terrain, part of which has trees on it, a bit has some hills. no big buildings, no siege options. Both guilds having a time out area.

Pre battle both teams enter their max players to tourney, the lowest is selected by the computer. They then get to select players, who are marked for entry. When both teams are ready the leaders each press go and the teams are put into the arena map within sight of each other but outside bow range.

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Posted by: Lord Trejgon.2809

Lord Trejgon.2809

They have had 2 different attempts at a GvG arena, both failed for obvious reasons. The main one is they were too small. The guild hall PvP area was a good idea, but badly implemented, you couldn’t get two teams of 10 fighting a battle there let alone 50.

I’ll just leave here a pointer that back in original games guidl battles were fought in 8v8 format……

[and I don’t recall anyone complaining about not having enought people in their GvG back then]

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Posted by: aandiarie.7195

aandiarie.7195

Are these people joking? O_O

In the last 6 months there has been updates to wvw than there has been in the last 5

years!

We have a legendary backpack, stat selectable armor like legendary armor pretty much, a better system for moving up and down. Wvw tracks and also gliding was added. They’ve been adjusting combat skills too.

Basically wvw has been getting slowly adjusted because they don’t want to mess it up.
When the desert bls came up people got upset so the things they are doing are gradual and they test it out.

People just have to have patience.

ALSO When POF comes out next month there will be new specializations. And this armor and backpack and gliding stuff to me felt like an early expansion bonus to wvw.

Be nice and try to be grateful. Wvw is changing for the better recently.

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Posted by: HazyDaisy.4107

HazyDaisy.4107

And catmander tags and home instance cats. Yes, a tag icon usable anywhere and PVE decorations ONLY obtainable in wvw. Does that not feel good to say?

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Posted by: Bart.5023

Bart.5023

Im really glad that the new expansion wont have WvW content… I dont play PvE at all, i only play WvW which i bought with the main game, if Anet starts making WvW content for the expansion, they might lose alot of players in WvW, cause i hear that many that plays WvW dont buy expansions.

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