Guild Wars 2

I see it as a valid tactic to counter and break zerg blobs, yet people cry about it on the other WvW forum like it’s some kind of taboo to attempt something that counters a meta. I see people say it takes no skill. People say they’re cowards for using them. But really, isn’t the whole point? Why stick to a certain strategy when you know something can break it?

The blob meta came around to allow a server with a lower number of players to counter a server with a bigger zerg back in the HoD/JQ/SBI T1 days when SoS (I think it was SoS, but it could have been one of the other T3/T4 servers that gained pop and rotated into T1/T2 like BG/SoR/FA/TC) came out of nowhere and used it on us. People cried about that and how it was OP, but look at it now.

I complain when it is done by a large map blob versus 20-30 people. If you are the 20-30 versus a map blob, I consider it fine to use siege. But when its the map blob using open field ACs against a 20-30man guild group? No way.

Because people complain when BLOBS use it against 20-30 people. You’ll rarely here about a blob complaining about 20 people using ACs, mostly because those ACs won’t save them.

60 people using open field siege against 30 enemies isn’t uncommon in T1.

Yea see alot of map blob (+60) dropping AC against guild groups in t1. Guild zerg are better than a militia zerg that has twice your numbers.

I agree with what others have been saying, but it has translated to siege in general being frown upon. Mainly ACs though.

You see Yak’s Bend getting laughed at and belittled because they siege heavily and stick to their towers. But hey, that’s what has kept them relevant for so long.

Tibstrike.2974:

it has translated to siege in general being frown upon.

Which is quite silly. Some unspoken player-created “rule” about not using siege in general is a self-inflicted weakness ripe for defeating them with.

I wonder what the British thought the first time the Germans used a Flak gun against armor during WW2. “Hey they can’t do that……I’m gonna post something in forum!”

Using a weapon for a purpose other than what it was originally intended for is simply good ingenious tactics.

Whether it’s open field siege or defensive trebs in a tower, all’s fair in luv and war. : )

If one blob throws down open field siege than why wouldn’t u do the same? B/c its not honorable? WTF….are u serious!!!!

raoul.4218:

I wonder what the British thought the first time the Germans used a Flak gun against armor during WW2. “Hey they can’t do that……I’m gonna post something in forum!”

Using a weapon for a purpose other than what it was originally intended for is simply good ingenious tactics.

Whether it’s open field siege or defensive trebs in a tower, all’s fair in luv and war. : )

If one blob throws down open field siege than why wouldn’t u do the same? B/c its not honorable? WTF….are u serious!!!!

Your signature screams why no one will take you seriously.

Level 80 ranger in wvw.

Server : JQ

JJBigs.8456:

raoul.4218:

I wonder what the British thought the first time the Germans used a Flak gun against armor during WW2. “Hey they can’t do that……I’m gonna post something in forum!”

Using a weapon for a purpose other than what it was originally intended for is simply good ingenious tactics.

Whether it’s open field siege or defensive trebs in a tower, all’s fair in luv and war. : )

If one blob throws down open field siege than why wouldn’t u do the same? B/c its not honorable? WTF….are u serious!!!!

Your signature screams why no one will take you seriously.

Level 80 ranger in wvw.

Server : JQ

WOW….your riposte has left me mortally wounded.

You sir, are a true master of the rhetoric.

I applaud your witty and unforeseen attack.

It doesn’t bother me when small groups use it against larger numbers. When numbers are even, I want the enemy to engage us (hell, even if the other side has more, I’d rather fight than use siege). After all, this is an open world pvp area; I’m there to interact with other players. Fighting even numbers with one side coming out victorious is fun. Fighting even numbers while arrow carts rain down on one side is not fun (for me).

JJBigs.8456:

raoul.4218:

I wonder what the British thought the first time the Germans used a Flak gun against armor during WW2. “Hey they can’t do that……I’m gonna post something in forum!”

Using a weapon for a purpose other than what it was originally intended for is simply good ingenious tactics.

Whether it’s open field siege or defensive trebs in a tower, all’s fair in luv and war. : )

If one blob throws down open field siege than why wouldn’t u do the same? B/c its not honorable? WTF….are u serious!!!!

Your signature screams why no one will take you seriously.

Level 80 ranger in wvw.

Server : JQ

Biggs, why? Your posting history screams you are a competent contributor to the forums. This post says otherwise. You and JQ/Rangers may need to sit down and work on your relationship a bit. The JQ ranger actually made a good point, why berate that?

On topic: open field siege isn’t exactly common on my server but it has started to catch on a bit recently. It’s not cowardly, or weak, it’s simply employing all the tools at ones disposal to achieve a goal. As my server is often outnumbered, especially overnight for American time zones, it gives us a way to even the odds a bit.

Personally, I don’t care what my opponents do, I want them staked. And they want me staked. May the best, and most innovative, win.

Siege Etiquette for Beginner’s

Open Field in Tier 1: Used all the time in T1; because winning is everything (much more important than quality of play and improving your own quality) and since you are just spamming ‘1’ all the time, you might as well use siege

Open Field in non-T1: Is the equivalent of flying the “we suck” flag. Special exceptions for camps and large-number discrepancies. (building siege to drain supply and troll incoming zerg is acceptable)

placement level of suck

between Briar and Bay: alt +f4 please

between Bay and Garri: /uninstall

Ruins: acceptable if using sieging towers, otherwise you should feel bad

bridge to South Hills: Anyone who walks into that choke probably deserves OFS on them, go ahead.

camps: poor etiquette when you are attacking (also self-defeating), but trolling points if outnumbered defense.

In general, open field siege is frowned upon because you’ll often see a large force who could easily beat down a smaller force using it against said smaller force, or two even sides with one using it against the other. It’s completely unnecessary when you’re in open field (ie, not taking a camp, tower, or keep), and screams “no skill” to the heavens.

I’m neutral on open field siege. It costs supply to deploy, which means having to make resupply runs or have less supply available for taking Keeps/Towers later. If a group feels the sacrifice is needed to achieve victory, why shouldn’t they make use of it?

Although if people start building siege to deal with one lone roamer, then yeah, I might roll my eyes at it.

Who cares how it dies, just kill it. By sword, by axe, by staff or focus. By arrow cart or ballista. Or by taking off and nuking the entire site from orbit.

It’s the only way to be sure.

Well, I play on T1 and each server there has their strengths in time zones, and can get outnumbered during another server’s prime time. BG has the EU pop, TC has the NA pop, and JQ has the SEA pop.

I have never seen any of the three drop siege unless:

a. it was outside of their prime time and they were outnumbered.
b. it was equal numbers.

I understand scenario B to be what most people have a problem with. But seriously, it’s a points race, and whatever team wins the fight wins the points.

If it’s a huge guild zerg against an equally-sized pub zerg, that guild zerg is going to win more often than not. So a pub commander will do what he has to do and throw down seige to even the odds. Is that being cowardly? I don’t think so. You’ve basically got an organized army against a ragtag group of individuals with little organization outside of following the blue dorito. As a commander, you have to run with what you have, and you have to make them as effective as you can. That’s not being cowardly, that’s being smart.

Chaba.5410:

Tibstrike.2974:

it has translated to siege in general being frown upon.

Which is quite silly. Some unspoken player-created “rule” about not using siege in general is a self-inflicted weakness ripe for defeating them with.

Let’s be honest. It’s really Mag’s “rule”. It has trickled up and down through the tiers.

They ripped on Yaks as well. The hilarious thing is that they siege their kitten up too, it’s just that they conceal it with forcing most fights outside on the field. Capping a Mag keep or tower is like prying teeth while poisoned and being shot at.

I honestly don’t give a kitten about it. And never really understood the complaining about it…
It’s freaking WvW. Do whatever what is legitely available to you to ensure a victory. The other side can do the same, if they choose not to because of some weird way of thinking and pride it’s their potential lost.

Tibstrike.2974:

Let’s be honest. It’s really Mag’s “rule”. It has trickled up and down through the tiers.

They didn’t earn the nickname “Turtleguuma” for no reason. Not even YB has sieged up their north camp up like Maguuma used to.

Chris.3290:

Siege Etiquette for Beginner’s

Open Field in Tier 1: Used all the time in T1; because winning is everything (much more important than quality of play and improving your own quality) and since you are just spamming ‘1’ all the time, you might as well use siege

Open Field in non-T1: Is the equivalent of flying the “we suck” flag. Special exceptions for camps and large-number discrepancies. (building siege to drain supply and troll incoming zerg is acceptable)

placement level of suck

between Briar and Bay: alt +f4 please

between Bay and Garri: /uninstall

Ruins: acceptable if using sieging towers, otherwise you should feel bad

bridge to South Hills: Anyone who walks into that choke probably deserves OFS on them, go ahead.

camps: poor etiquette when you are attacking (also self-defeating), but trolling points if outnumbered defense.

This is pretty accurate.

You don’t get any better at fights by using open field siege but some people just need to use it as a crutch.

Treble.1563:

Well, I play on T1 and each server there has their strengths in time zones, and can get outnumbered during another server’s prime time. BG has the EU pop, TC has the NA pop, and JQ has the SEA pop.

I have never seen any of the three drop siege unless:

a. it was outside of their prime time and they were outnumbered.
b. it was equal numbers.

I understand scenario B to be what most people have a problem with. But seriously, it’s a points race, and whatever team wins the fight wins the points.

If it’s a huge guild zerg against an equally-sized pub zerg, that guild zerg is going to win more often than not. So a pub commander will do what he has to do and throw down seige to even the odds. Is that being cowardly? I don’t think so. You’ve basically got an organized army against a ragtag group of individuals with little organization outside of following the blue dorito. As a commander, you have to run with what you have, and you have to make them as effective as you can. That’s not being cowardly, that’s being smart.

BG does not have the EU pop. TC has been the undisputed king of EU for months now.