Guild Wars 2

The system saved WvW for us in EU low tiers.
We went from dead empty with only a few die hard players left to a gamemode with constant fighting and more challenge (roaming with the threat of massive blobs is so much more fun IMO).

We can argue about how to make the system better, that I 100% agree on.

But removing it (as in reverting to the old system) is literally a bad idea and will just pander to the hipster T1/2 ppl complaining that they have to wait 5 more minutes to get in
#FirstTierproblems

that + the reward tracks, Anet is def on the right path. Now let’s look at those monthly tourneys : )

Bottomline is: Ofc ppl are gonna vote yes

As for our salty top tierers, think of this as a small price to pay for having fun during 2.5 years at the expense of low tiers who had to watch you ask (and get) devs for futilities to better the experience for you while we stayed empty and suppressed.

Vote yes on prop 19
—>Paid for by the committee for the repopulation of dead gamemodes in Tyira

Pairing servers doesn’t mean destroying your server ID. It just means you have to work harder with your guild(s) to show your colors. Even if I could see your point I have to put you in the FirstWorldProblems category.

I’d rather play a much crowded/“bland” gamemode than the empty nightmare WvW has been for us in low tiers for the past 2.5 years.

Your problem is something that is comply out side of the control of any one. You want ppl to effectually not play wvw in mass to let you run with a smallish group all the time and have a major impact to that week score.

DiscoJacen.1590:

Pairing servers doesn’t mean destroying your server ID. It just means you have to work harder with your guild(s) to show your colors. Even if I could see your point I have to put you in the FirstWorldProblems category.

I’d rather play a much crowded/“bland” gamemode than the empty nightmare WvW has been for us in low tiers for the past 2.5 years.

What kept you from Transferring to a Higher Tier World if it was so bad where you were?

I still dislike this notion that someone should be forced to sacrifice the way they enjoy the game to better the “mass fights” crowd. What is a “mass fight” exactly? 40v40? 50v50? The game lags to death and skills sometimes stop firing and this is the “normal” state?

I fail to see it. If I prefer 20v20 and map mobility and coordination between maps then how am I making the game worse?

What is the point of epic fights of you are one of a blob of 40 and contributed barely anything? What about the community you grew to love and logged in just to hang out with? How many of those are gone or can’t even get on your map due to queues? I’ve been robbed of playing with the community I grew to love for 3 years several times due to queues.

It sucks to have half of your friends get go have fun while the rest are left out….

You can say you’re in this for the fights all you want, but I play to enjoy my guild and friends outside of the guild. The “fun” is gone and replaced with following mobs where you are a cog in the machine.

You all are reading what this guy ks saying but you aren’t hearing the heart of the words.

meerfunkuhtron.9725:

-The World Linking Poll- I am just begging for the devs to not rely on this poll for their decisions. It isn’t an accurate representation of what “most” of us want, despite what other people think.

The poll is currently at around 77% to 17% in favor. What is it about the resounding YES that the poll is shouting that makes you think it isn’t an "accurate representation of what “most” of us want, despite what other people think."

77% sure seems like a pretty definite “most”.

How someone can look at a poll that has an overwhelming majority in favor, and then find the nerve to actually say that the poll does not reflect what most people want is just mind boggling to me.

I’m curious to know where you’re pulling your logic from on that?

Or is it just stubborn personal belief that refuses to admit that the vast majority want what you don’t?

Only needs 75% to pass – so the additional 2% is a cushion atm. I’d encourage all to actively participate and vote on this, regardless of what your choice is – to ensure you are one of the people who go out to the polls and try to help make change.

We don’t always get what we want, but at least we are having collaborative effort in voicing our opinion. Roll with it, tis a good thing

Diku.2546:

DiscoJacen.1590:

Pairing servers doesn’t mean destroying your server ID. It just means you have to work harder with your guild(s) to show your colors. Even if I could see your point I have to put you in the FirstWorldProblems category.

I’d rather play a much crowded/“bland” gamemode than the empty nightmare WvW has been for us in low tiers for the past 2.5 years.

What kept you from Transferring to a Higher Tier World if it was so bad where you were?

exactly – nothing. meanwhile others were forced into a marriage they didn’t want.

Teon.5168:

meerfunkuhtron.9725:

-The World Linking Poll- I am just begging for the devs to not rely on this poll for their decisions. It isn’t an accurate representation of what “most” of us want, despite what other people think.

The poll is currently at around 77% to 17% in favor. What is it about the resounding YES that the poll is shouting that makes you think it isn’t an "accurate representation of what “most” of us want, despite what other people think."

77% sure seems like a pretty definite “most”.

How someone can look at a poll that has an overwhelming majority in favor, and then find the nerve to actually say that the poll does not reflect what most people want is just mind boggling to me.

I’m curious to know where you’re pulling your logic from on that?

Or is it just stubborn personal belief that refuses to admit that the vast majority want what you don’t?

Easy. People who are not in game or playing WvW because they don’t like the current linking system cannot vote.

You got the in-game mail about the poll after ranking up in WvW.

Plus, I honestly don’t care if it’s what the vast majority wants. Is it honestly what this has to come down to? Ignore the minority voices, give the majority what they want- history alone will tell you that isn’t conducive to positive change. In any case, just because the majority wants something that I don’t doesn’t mean I won’t speak up about it. I can try, right? If things turn out the way I don’t prefer it to, my world isn’t going to end. But my WvW community has become important to me through time, so yeah, I’ll put in my two cents as long as the topic is open for discussion (which it still is).

ABOUT “DEAD” SERVERS

One of the most popular responses to those of us who oppose the World Linking is, “I’d rather fight in zergs than sit around fighting doors in empty maps”…

Do people honestly think that if it was that boring for us, that we’ll be complaining about the change? If there really was nothing at all to do in WvW, I wouldn’t be playing there. I can tolerate some peace and quiet, but not outright nothingness and boredom. And yet people stayed in their low-tiered servers, and deliberately CHOSE a low-pop server because it honestly wasn’t that boring, at least for us.

Let me explain it this way- there’s different types of players.
Some like full maps and enjoy playing in big fights most of the time. These are most likely the people who will say that a server is “dead” because they stood in their map for a bit and so no one.
(Side note: I thought my server was dead in the beginning too. I used to log on late at night, from 11 PM to 2 AM mostly. When I started logging on earlier, I realized that the server I’m in compromised of mostly people from the east coast… It wasn’t dead, they were just well asleep by the time I normally got on.)

Then there’s people like me, who don’t mind waiting a few hours for her mates to finally get on, who likes the occasional 30-man zerg but normally likes to casually roam.

To people who like full maps and seeing lots of activity all the time, my world would be considered dead. While from my point of view, it is fine and thriving.

I don’t know why some of you are so opposed to the idea that some people actually like to play a different way. I’m not even against zerging or heavy fights all the time, I’m just aware that it isn’t my play style. I wouldn’t be against this World Linking if it still offered options for both types of players. I’d like to see a change that caters to both the majority and minority, and not just cater to one side of the population.

Balthazzarr.1349:

Frankly, this level of WvW play is very very little strategy… GET IN TS! Jeez come on guys get into TS now and follow your commander!… LEFT, RIGHT, BACK, BOMB, WATER.. blahblahblah… such is the life of a blob/zergling… Do most people on these servers really care about their keeps/towers? Not from what I can see… for the most part it’s about the fights. Random havoc groups here and there but too many people to do the cool sneaky stuff that some of our groups used to do on the medium/lower level servers. Things you could get away with because there wasn’t just blobs of people everywhere. There isn’t much more satisfying than stealing a keep from underneath somebody as they fight someone else for example, ( and they don’t k now it until it’s too late ). Those days are gone in the new order of things. People keep yapping about pvd and crap like that.. Those people really do NOT know how things work in the world of lower populations where you can actually have a good fight or skirmish for an object without blobbing, and where you can actually have some fun wreaking havoc here and there without being blobbed to death. The high pop server folks don’t understand what this is really like ( for the most part I think ), and the devs definitely seem to think that this is a part of the game that’s not useful. Both are wrong. I have nothing at all against the blob/zerg groups that love doing that. I’m not one of them.

omg.

I remember BP and yes, your sneaky kitten. I would be defending a keep, thinking I’m doing one heck of a job fending you guys off, then next thing you know, the thing flips lol It was infuriating at the time, but hey, that’s the game. You have to keep a look out for stuff like that, and looking back at those times, it was a lot of fun.

I’m actually happy we got paired with DH. They’re not blobby normally, but now they also feel like they have to be due to the mass amounts of enemies we have to fight. And guess what? It’s not dynamic, and it’s not fun. One of our enemy servers would run off and leave whenever we put up a fight. Like they wouldn’t even try when they clearly outnumbered us. Their first instinct is to just run away and come back to take the keep/tower/whatever again when they had more people to roll whatever numbers we have.

Fun = 0
This has become nothing but a numbers game -_-

DiscoJacen.1590:

The system saved WvW for us in EU low tiers.
We went from dead empty with only a few die hard players left to a gamemode with constant fighting and more challenge (roaming with the threat of massive blobs is so much more fun IMO).

We can argue about how to make the system better, that I 100% agree on.

But removing it (as in reverting to the old system) is literally a bad idea and will just pander to the hipster T1/2 ppl complaining that they have to wait 5 more minutes to get in
#FirstTierproblems

that + the reward tracks, Anet is def on the right path. Now let’s look at those monthly tourneys : )

Bottomline is: Ofc ppl are gonna vote yes

As for our salty top tierers, think of this as a small price to pay for having fun during 2.5 years at the expense of low tiers who had to watch you ask (and get) devs for futilities to better the experience for you while we stayed empty and suppressed.

Vote yes on prop 19
—>Paid for by the committee for the repopulation of dead gamemodes in Tyira

I read somewhere you’re in (EU T9).

Why in heaven’s name…didn’t you move up to any of the higher tiers for 2.5 years on your own?

Never mind…Lower Tiers now have Free Transfers with World Linking being permanent.

Game On!

meerfunkuhtron.9725:

Teon.5168:

meerfunkuhtron.9725:

-The World Linking Poll- I am just begging for the devs to not rely on this poll for their decisions. It isn’t an accurate representation of what “most” of us want, despite what other people think.

The poll is currently at around 77% to 17% in favor. What is it about the resounding YES that the poll is shouting that makes you think it isn’t an "accurate representation of what “most” of us want, despite what other people think."

77% sure seems like a pretty definite “most”.

How someone can look at a poll that has an overwhelming majority in favor, and then find the nerve to actually say that the poll does not reflect what most people want is just mind boggling to me.

I’m curious to know where you’re pulling your logic from on that?

Or is it just stubborn personal belief that refuses to admit that the vast majority want what you don’t?

Easy. People who are not in game or playing WvW because they don’t like the current linking system cannot vote.

You got the in-game mail about the poll after ranking up in WvW.

Plus, I honestly don’t care if it’s what the vast majority wants. Is it honestly what this has to come down to? Ignore the minority voices, give the majority what they want- history alone will tell you that isn’t conducive to positive change. In any case, just because the majority wants something that I don’t doesn’t mean I won’t speak up about it. I can try, right? If things turn out the way I don’t prefer it to, my world isn’t going to end. But my WvW community has become important to me through time, so yeah, I’ll put in my two cents as long as the topic is open for discussion (which it still is).

Last I checked when the poll was still open, anyone who had a game account and logged into these forums could vote on it. So the people who didn’t get ingame emails could still vote. I did before I got my ingame email. Heck, even someone who had a game account and hadn’t played in a couple years or more could log in here and vote in the poll. Not sure how you can claim that people “cannot vote”.

But, that is a moot point now.

The poll is over and linking is part of the game, now. Nothing anyone can do about it.

To the “why didn’t you simply transfer?” crowd:

You should never; NEVER have to pay extra for something that:
1/ you already paid for.
2/ others are enjoying just as intended
3/ compensate for poor foresight or developpement (whatever your opinion is on how Anet handled WvW so far).

It is my money that I earned, I have no one pumping cash into my wallet to pay for a trasnfer that I (and the rest of my guild) would not have to make if the gamemode was working as inteneded.

Therefore I will never take seriously someone using the “lol why’d u not transfer silly?” excuse to justify the injustice that wvw so far.
You don’t see me shouting “lol if u w8 too long in T1 just tranfer to T4/5/6 for shorter queue!”.

In the end the poll results should give u an idea also of where the crowd stands (for once that I’m on that side I plan on enjoying it)

DiscoJacen.1590:

To the “why didn’t you simply transfer?” crowd:

You should never; NEVER have to pay extra for something that:
1/ you already paid for.
2/ others are enjoying just as intended
3/ compensate for poor foresight or developpement (whatever your opinion is on how Anet handled WvW so far).

It is my money that I earned, I have no one pumping cash into my wallet to pay for a trasnfer that I (and the rest of my guild) would not have to make if the gamemode was working as inteneded.

Therefore I will never take seriously someone using the “lol why’d u not transfer silly?” excuse to justify the injustice that wvw so far.
You don’t see me shouting “lol if u w8 too long in T1 just tranfer to T4/5/6 for shorter queue!”.

In the end the poll results should give u an idea also of where the crowd stands (for once that I’m on that side I plan on enjoying it)

in game currency can be converted to gems – no dollars or euros involved so no cost…..

BTW – one huge flaw is that you can’t transfer to any host (NA anyway). If you WANT the lowest tier, you must go to the guest which may end up linking with T1 next time repeating the cycle…

My boyfriend and I started playing WvW when they brought the megaserver to PvE. We used to enjoy map completing, doing events, living story, etc. It was fun to see all the familiar friendly people from Fergusson Crossings, even if we didn’t socialize with them much. Then, in one day… we rarely saw those people again. We were forced onto maps with people “yelling” at one another, cursing and just being rude. So, we thought we’d try WvW out, where we would be with our server mates again! At first it was difficult, but after awhile we got the hang of things. The people of FC were nice to us and helped us out. We had a lot of fun running around with our guild but also roaming with just a party of friends. But then, bad news came… Anet decided to change the WvW maps on us! They were huge, confusing, and dangerous if you had autorun on and looked away! We tried very hard to like the new maps, but we just couldn’t. So, we started playing other things, Fractals/HoT, and noticed many of our guild members just stopped logging on anymore. It started to look like a ghost town in the borderlands, whenever I would stop in. But then… happy news! We were getting our old maps back! The day they came back, I saw so many guild members logging in and returning to WvW. My boyfriend and I returned to WvW as well. It was the best! Until server merging! It’s honestly like being in PvE again. The arguing, harassment, cursing, and hatefulness! And all that lag! It’s awful! There are many people, that chose to be on a lower tier server, so that they can avoid lag. And here anet comes and forces it on them. Not everyone can afford an amazing computer, that won’t lag in huge zergs.

I am happy that there was a poll, to see how people felt on the merging… but I would be curious on how each server feels… not just everyones vote together. Maybe it’s a bit of, high tier servers LOVE it… while low tier servers HATE it. And if that’s the case, then why merge us at all? From what I am hearing, it’s so the low tier servers have more people. But why not try something a bit different. Why not have an free week of server changes? Then if there is anyone who wants to be on a higher tier, they’re welcome to do so, for free. Or if you’re going to insist on forcing the merges… at least merge the lower tiers together, so we’re not forced to play with the hateful people anymore.

You know this just goes to show how special FC is….we actually like everyone on our server. I would like to know how FC voted in the linking poll, was it more than 75%? I have faith that we can still have fun as members of FC. Reset last night was super fun, thanks to our guild leader, members and friends. Keep checking in with wvw. One thing about this game, it seems pretty fluid. What we don’t like today might be gone tomorrow, we can only hope and keep on truckin!