Guild Wars 2

Hi everybody,

This is a sub-topic thread from a parent thread found here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/New-Game-Mode-WvG-World-Vs-Globes/first#post6188906

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710744

Hi everybody,

I’d like to discuss what Borderland map should be used as it relates to the New Map Mechanic that I’m proposing.

Alpine or Desert? Which Borderland Map would be a better choice?

Or, have both maps used?

I’m setting up this sub-topic thread to continue this discussion in detail here to keep the parent thread focused on topic about Reboot Base Map Mechanic & Population.

Appreciate your feedback & looking forward to this discussion with you & the WvW Community.

Diku

Swapping in, out or mixing maps is possible with this New Base Map Mechanic.

Only ANet would know the answer to how much development this would entail, and if it would be feasible.

Special Thank you for their feedback going to – LetoII & Wolfric

Suggested Combinations or Map Rotations:

1) Three Alpine Borderland Maps + EB / Simple Event / Manual Upgrades

2) Two Borderland Maps + EotM

3) Alpine + reworked EB + Desert / No Laser / No Auto-Upgrade

4) Alpine + reworked 1/2 Desert + reworked EotM

5) Original Alpine borderland with lake + Eternal Battlegrounds

6) Fixed new map (less complex) + EB + Old map without lake no EotM

Reserved for Topic Links.

I’ll be honest…I prefer the Old Alpine Borderland. New Desert Borderland seems to need a higher number of players in my opinion to reach a critical mass before the fun begins.

I have to agree with the below idea from xaiMera.

xaiMera.3809:

Anet should just bring back old wvw and put the new one on public beta again, that way they can test and implement suggestions and hopefully fix all it’s issues.

1) Put the Old Alpine back. Attract the old WvW veterans back into playing.
2) Put the New Desert BL into Public Beta.
3) Implement a Reboot of Base Map Mechanic & Population using the Public Beta.
4) Work out problems while WvW population level stabilizes & hopefully go back up.
5) Allow WvW population to leave Old Alpine Map and play more in Public Beta.

Please make Desert BL more simple.

1) Re-do & remove Vertical structures…put in ramps.

2) Remove PvE Center Event…put back Ruins, or use a less battle changing event…that uses minimal client AND server resources.

3) Make Upgrades Manual & Free for players on their Home Globe 3 BLs. Enemies need to pay Gold to Manual Upgrade on your Home Globe’s 3 BLs. Everybody pays Gold to Manual Upgrade on their EB Map.

I’d like to see the amount of maps available reduced to two per match, maybe even one. Also, EoTM added to the rotation. Give the losing server the natural home, doesn’t have to be balanced.. Matches aren’t balanced, why not give a boost to the loser from last week? It works for professional sports, loser gets first pick in the draft.

Help out balance a bit, gives variety, less empty maps.

I would like three diffent borderlands for diversity and droping EB.
Alpine, Desert and EB. For that EB has to be adapted as homeland and Dersert reworked without Laser and less PvE gimiks. Of course no autoupgrade.

@LetoII

This question is being asked with the New Base Map Mechanic in place.

Players are in New Globe system.

Taken from parent thread:

PROPOSED NEW MAP MECHANIC

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1) Core Map Mechanic

Old World Servers are transformed into New Globes. Each Globe owns all 4 maps.

Players are able to visit all Globes with Limitations.

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c) Players Enter All 4 Maps in their Home Globe as an Ally, and Enter All Maps in Other Enemy Globes as an Enemy-Guest

d) Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit. ANet can adjust this number to reduce or prevent un-fair matches, or during tournaments

e) Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking a player’s Home Globe is displayed in a Random fashion every time it’s viewed by the Home Team

Key part of the proposal…

It’s actually explained in the Core Map Mechanic of the Parent Proposal. The maps need to be used how they’re currently configured…4 Maps.

3 Borderland Maps & 1 Eternal Battle Ground.

Reason – Trying to reduce the development on changing in or out different maps.

@LetoII

There’s related Map Mechanics that should help weaker Globes get back into the competition.

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.33

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710750

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b) World Globe Rank & Scoring

…WvW Home Globe Rank Top 3 & Bottom 3 – Global Theaters of War each maintains a separate list.

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e) Anti-Trolling, Buffs, & Counter-Weights

…King of Hill Buff – Bottom 3 WvW Ranked Worlds get an automatic buff when attacking any Top 3 WvW Ranked World’s Home Globes. Cross Global Theaters of War attacks also trigger Buff

…Implement a Dynamic Tier Level Buff with Decay Timer named “Tenacious”

Diku.2546:

@Letoll

This question is being asked with the New Base Map Mechanic in place.

Players are in New Globe system.

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Taken from parent thread:

PROPOSED NEW MAP MECHANIC

Snip 8<

1) Core Map Mechanic

Old World Servers are transformed into New Globes. Each Globe owns all 4 maps.

Players are able to visit all Globes with Limitations.

Snip 8<

c) Players Enter All 4 Maps in their Home Globe as an Ally, and Enter All Maps in Other Enemy Globes as an Enemy-Guest

d) Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit. ANet can adjust this number to reduce or prevent un-fair matches, or during tournaments

e) Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking a player’s Home Globe is displayed in a Random fashion every time it’s viewed by the Home Team

I’m not a fan of megaserver, no matter how camouflaged. My wife and I move our guild routinely to the different communities on offer, they are different as you move about. Some people say it’s not so, but we’re small enough that we always need to interact with the native population. And I can tell you first hand every tier has it’s own flavor, the differences may be small but they exist.. It helps keep things fresh.
Being forced into a single population would remove this option and homogenize the gw2 population, the only option to get a fresh breath of air would be moving to the EU or CN servers. Not to mention moving around gives Anet money, which is a good thing. Devs gotta eat too.

Definitly not good to fill servers till maps burst, so there are always large groups runing around.
If megaserver supresses roaming and small groups with high population that you can´t run around with a few friends annymore WvW will be killed again …. So its not easy.
If population is an issue don´t use megaservers. Merge EU and NA servers so population divides trough timezones. Maybe a huge relaunch.
Give a free server move. Open 10 new tiers. Give some time for players to select a new home. On Day X divide all guilds/players left on the new servers and mix EU/NA.
An don´t name the new servers NA or EU or FR ….

@LetoII

I think you’re misunderstanding how the Parent Topic Mechanics works.

Let me make it very clear.

The Parent proposal found in “Reboot the Base Map Mechanic & Population” Topic…Does NOT in any way…allow Megaserver.

The New Base Map Mechanic that is being proposed will not work with the Megaserver at all.

The Parent Proposal still seeks to Preserve Server Pride by transforming Old World Servers into New Globes. Server names are retained when setting up the New Globes.

Megaserver system picks which instance you spawn with friends & family from what I understand.

How the New Map Mechanic Works from a player’s point of view. Keep in mind that a Megaserver System picks the instance you spawn in.

Given the following choices…Would you prefer to:

A) Fight against 2 Worlds that the System Picks for you at the beginning of every week.

Or

B) Fight against 2 Worlds that you choose at the beginning of every week from a choice of 24 NA - and - 27 EU Home Globes.

Option A = Current Map Mechanic
Option B = Proposed New Map Mechanic & Global Theaters of War

The proposed New Map Mechanic & Global Theaters of War will let you play with friends & family.

If you’re in a different Home Globe away from your friends & family…then just pick an Enemy Globe that you both can meet on then team-up & fight together there.

This New Base Map Mechanic will not work with the Megaserver system at all. Players pick where they want to go. The system does not pick the instance that you spawn in.

Thanks for the feedback…now back to the discussion.

Diku

How do you resolve loss of revenue with this system Diku?

@LetoII

Allow WvW to craft PvE equipment.

Do Not Allow PvP Standardized Equipment into WvW.

Create Exclusive WvW Ascended PvE Equipment to Craft.

Many other things could be tied to WvW directly that would require materials & resources that can be purchased for gold.

Gems are traded for gold by the Trader.

That’s not the revenue I mean.
Arenanet is a business, it exists is a capitalist system. Before anything else, the bills must be paid. The best way to ensure continued development for WvW is Anet’s bean-counters seeing money come from WvW.

How does an easy side-switching option address the loss of transfer money?

@LetoII

Why are we discussing loss of transfer money?

I’d like to discuss what Borderland map should be used as it relates to the New Map Mechanic that I’m proposing.

Alpine or Desert? Which Borderland Map would be a better choice?

Or, have both maps used?

How can you NOT discuss financial ramifications? :s
Do you buy your own groceries? Money is important.

@Wolfric

Parent Proposal is already focused on asking for a Reboot of Population.

Part I) WvW Population Reboot & New Theaters of War v.14
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710746

Old World Servers are transformed into New Globes during this Population Reboot. Globes are named after their Old World Server’s Name.

There’s a proposed Map Mechanic to allow new Globes to launch.

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.35
j) Events – PvE & WvW
Not Implemented
…WvW – New Globe Launch Queue – New Globe launches once enough players (ANet to determine number) have paid gems in advance & selected a matching Time Zone. Players are immediately charged gems & moved to new Globe when it does launch. Percent to launch & matching Time Zone displayed to players.

There’s even Time Zone & Language Options
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Time-Zones-and-Language-Options/first#post5762895

Hope this helps set the proper tone for discussing what Borderland map should be used as it relates to the New Map Mechanic that I’m proposing.

Alpine or Desert? Which Borderland Map would be a better choice?

Or, have both maps used?

Puh. It looks too complicated… I prefer a solution that can be described in two understandable sentences that everyone understands. The long specification is for the devs.
A stable home identity is good. Please no floating WvW and free transfers like candy.
And i prefer difrent maps for each server. Alpine + reworked EB + Desert.

@Wolfric

Players don’t have unlimited “Free” floating & Globe Transfers still will cost gems.

Map Mechanic that relates.

Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit. ANet can adjust this number to reduce or prevent un-fair matches, or during tournaments*

Noticed you specified

Alpine + reworked EB + Desert

Hmm…say if development was minimal to swapping in/out or mixing maps.

Only ANet would know the answer to how much development this would entail.

Since Each New Globe would own all maps in the New Map Mechanic being proposed. Your suggestion would be possible.

Wow…that would be like awesome…at first glance.

Need more feedback from other WvW players to see if it really is.

@LetoII & Wolfric

My apologies. I should have listened to what you were proposing.

Mixing & Matching Different Maps are possible with the New Base Map Mechanic being proposed.

You were suggesting this.

Thank you for making me realize this possibility.

Diku

Diku.2546:

Swapping in, out or mixing maps is possible with this New Base Map Mechanic.

Only ANet would know the answer to how much development this would entail, and if it would be feasible.

Special Thank you for their feedback going to – LetoII & Wolfric

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Suggested Combinations or Map Rotations:

1) Three Borderland Maps + EB / Simple Event / Manual Upgrades
2) Two Borderland Maps + EotM
3) Alpine + reworked EB + Desert / No Laser / No Auto-Upgrade

@LetoII & Wolfric,

Please let me know if I should modify your suggested combination or map rotation above.

Really appreciate your feedback. Sorry for not listening earlier.

Diku

Any new posts…please try to post a single line for me to use when I update the above post with your suggestion.

Would also like to hear in your post the reason behind your suggestion.

Bring back Alpine into the rotation, re-design Desert (cut it in half and re-work it) and have a forest borderland (re-designed EoTM?)… that would be cool, but a lot of work for A-net i imagine.

Avigrus.2871:

Bring back Alpine into the rotation, re-design Desert (cut it in half and re-work it) and have a forest borderland (re-designed EoTM?)… that would be cool, but a lot of work for A-net i imagine.

Posted your suggestion as:

4) Alpine + reworked 1/2 Desert + reworked EotM

I want Original Alpine borderland with lake + Eternal Battlegrounds.

Shelve and completely redesign the other maps.

Deniara Devious.3948:

I want Original Alpine borderland with lake + Eternal Battlegrounds.

Shelve and completely redesign the other maps.

Posted your suggestion as:

5) Original Alpine borderland with lake + Eternal Battlegrounds

Fixed new map + EB + Old map without lake no EotM.

And let the server vote on reset day with map they want and the map with most vote is that servers home border. Then you only have 3 maps.

Shadow.3475:

Fixed new map + EB + Old map without lake no EotM.

And let the server vote on reset day with map they want and the map with most vote is that servers home border. Then you only have 3 maps.

Posted your suggestion as:

6) Fixed new map (less complex) + EB + Old map without lake no EotM

Ps with fixed new map i ment flater, eayser to get to keeps, Towers, camps and easyer to see enemy.

Updated it to:

6) Fixed new map (less complex) + EB + Old map without lake no EotM

If that’s not correct…just post the exact wording you’d like to see posted.