Guild Wars 2

Rebound.3409:

WvW season 1 was about which server was better in a fair three way fight. It was about bragging.

WvW season 2 made WvW into something toxic…promoting with a passion blind hatred..false accusations, system manipulation and exploits instead of promoting fair play, good games and overall reason to be competitive..

Yeah see, here’s the problem with bragging for a straight year after winning, all the way up to the week you realize you’re going to lose…

It makes people do things, because they kittening hate you on a personal level, that’s not in their best competitive interest. They would rather see your server lose than try their best to win, especially if they know they don’t have pop/coverage to win anyway.

2v1’s and match fixing against people who bragged after winning for a straight year is to be expected.

If WvW was a 4 or 5 way fight it would’ve been 3v1v1 or 4v1 against specific servers which won’t be named. But its still not surprising at all.

Also, season 1 had all of the kitten that you said season 2 was about.

U either did not read all of my posts in this thread or you didn’t understand any of them or u are just blinded by fictive pixel hate which can be very harmful on your mental health long therm

Enokitake.1742:

Rebound.3409:

WvW season 1 was about which server was better in a fair three way fight. It was about bragging.

WvW season 2 made WvW into something toxic…promoting with a passion blind hatred..false accusations, system manipulation and exploits instead of promoting fair play, good games and overall reason to be competitive..

Yeah see, here’s the problem with bragging for a straight year after winning, all the way up to the week you realize you’re going to lose…

It makes people do things, because they kittening hate you on a personal level, that’s not in their best competitive interest. They would rather see your server lose than try their best to win, especially if they know they don’t have pop/coverage to win anyway.

2v1’s and match fixing against people who bragged after winning for a straight year is to be expected.

If WvW was a 4 or 5 way fight it would’ve been 3v1v1 or 4v1 against specific servers which won’t be named. But its still not surprising at all.

Also, season 1 had all of the kitten that you said season 2 was about.

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If we can’t have matchups that are fair for all, it’s not worth disrupting what is left of our named servers.

I also think that’s the best idea. If u look at how things were before seasons it was a dream compared to now. Yes ppl were bragging/qqing..but now…u can’t even describe it. Anet has no clue how to fix this they just do experiments on their huge beta-testing community since the start of the game.

And u can’t expect them to shutdown seasons because 90% of the reason they did them is because of the sweet $$ they get every 2 months from transfers alone..let’s be real. If they cared any bit about it we wouldn’t have things like this happen or wvw would have the changes/improvements that have been asked since start now.

Aomine.5012:

blur.7905:

I don’t see how 2v1 or trading win can solve stacking server problem. Yes, sure it can make sure one server unable to win. It will just promote servers to go into alliance. Then you will just change from stacking server problem into stacking + alliance problem.

There is one different in stacking and alliance. A stack server at most can only have the cap amount of player on map even if it had 100s of queue. The alliance server can have up to 2x the amount of player the other server could have. Alliance will only work if 2 much smaller server vs one bigger server.

Wait, how come DB and Mag are like, umm, 80k points behind?
It only works when the odds are close, not far apart.
Showing how big of a gap between NA T1 and T2.
Or like someone else mentioned in the above post, their mood had been destroyed long ago that they don’t bother try or work together when they’re facing big monsters.

Furthermore, your so-called “stacking+alliance issue”, guess what, it was there for the longest time being, committed by that so-called “victim server”.
It was there all along, but this time it is not 1st & 2nd bullying third, but 2nd and 3rd challenging 1st.

I don’t understand what you mean by alliance and trading win was there all along? I have not see it before. I have seen may 2v1 but this is the first time is see trading win. Challenging or bullying it does not make any different the objective is to secure their win. You are right to say DB and Mag don’t really care if they win or not. But if they team up they may not lose to any T1 server.

What I really care is that if Anet is to start another season please help to fix the many problem we have right now first. I think we can have many smaller Battle ground during peak hour and lesser during off peak. Fighting with different server on different map. Lower map cap for smaller server. At less have the map battle balance is a good way to start.

Dosvidaniya.3260:

Rimmy.9217:

That said, can AR beat EB? Absolutely. But did AR do as well in their tier as EB did in theirs? No.

Weird and unsatisfying as this method is, I’m glad that it’s not entirely about population. And yes, I’m from EB.

/bias

That’s the most arbitrary justification I’ve ever heard. You guys fell out of silver and hadn’t come close to being stable when the tourney started. If I use the average from the 4 weeks prior to the tourney, you’ve dropped from 21.5 to 22. Just because you stayed at the top of the bottom three doesn’t mean you’ve done better than the guy who stays at the bottom of the 3 servers higher. It’s silly.

Lets be honest, you’re happy simply because the nonsense that is this leaderboard opted to place you higher than you should be. I’d be happy if that happened to me. Never the less, it is something that has to be fixed. A server shouldn’t place lower than someone they beat unless the entire system is based on improvement.

I didn’t say I was happy, I said it was weird and unsatisfying, did I not? And I also noted that EB and AR are (Mork laughing?) in different tiers.

It doesn’t matter to me that we came in sixth of nine (regardless of how ANet deals with medal ties), or that because of the structure of the tournament that we are placing above a server that has beaten us both times we were matched up AND can continue to do so in future matches, as things stand.

The only thing that I said I was glad about was that the final results (in Bronze) weren’t entirely about population, since if that’s what we wanted Anet could have simply ranked us like that with their data.

I’m also not advocating that this method be used in the future, although I did like it better that season one’s method. Note that in season one EB was in the higher end of Silver and the round robin style was satisfying and interesting. But would be a disaster to us in the last tier now.

Being as gutted as we are now, the current system is more satisfying since even the lowliest tier 7 sever can k-train us senseless with their superior numbers, so staying where we are gives us more even fights than we would get otherwise.

And even fights are where it’s fun, at least for me. Don’t want to be crushed by servers with a huge population over us, and don’t want to roll over servers with miniscule populations compared to ours.

I’m sorry if our servers’ relative placing bothers you. Maybe if/when season three happens EB will be in a better position such that it can bring a mutually satisfying fight to AR.

WvW is so screwed up right now I don’t honestly know how you go about fixing it. But the horrendous scheduling system used on this tournament, where you have servers tanking in the 3rd to last week to get an easy matchup for the 2nd to last week to ensure they win in that week and are in the “final” is just plain stupid. I actually think that by the time of the next season interest in WvW will have waned so much that it will not matter if any changes are made.

EOTM was a FAIL, everyone knows it, will there be something else done? It does not look to be the case.

Dsybok.1405:

EOTM was a FAIL, everyone knows it, will there be something else done? It does not look to be the case.

EotM is probably best PvP update in mmorpg history. I haven’t never played better PvP in any game.

Junkpile.7439:

Dsybok.1405:

EOTM was a FAIL, everyone knows it, will there be something else done? It does not look to be the case.

EotM is probably best PvP update in mmorpg history. i haven’t never played better PvP in any game.

It has nothing to do with WvW. It is a complete FAIL with regards to WvW. None of the hardcore WvW players I know have been in there since the week it launched. Its a complete waste of time.

atheria.2837:

Enokitake.1742:

Rebound.3409:

WvW season 1 was about which server was better in a fair three way fight. It was about bragging.

WvW season 2 made WvW into something toxic…promoting with a passion blind hatred..false accusations, system manipulation and exploits instead of promoting fair play, good games and overall reason to be competitive..

Yeah see, here’s the problem with bragging for a straight year after winning, all the way up to the week you realize you’re going to lose…

It makes people do things, because they kittening hate you on a personal level, that’s not in their best competitive interest. They would rather see your server lose than try their best to win, especially if they know they don’t have pop/coverage to win anyway.

2v1’s and match fixing against people who bragged after winning for a straight year is to be expected.

If WvW was a 4 or 5 way fight it would’ve been 3v1v1 or 4v1 against specific servers which won’t be named. But its still not surprising at all.

Also, season 1 had all of the kitten that you said season 2 was about.

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Seasons

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Good.

If we can’t have matchups that are fair for all, it’s not worth disrupting what is left of our named servers.

Fair?

You never did, and never are going to, have “fair” matchups in WvW. The idea that WvW was ever “fair” is a daydream, mostly in the minds of the servers that won constantly.

Server populations are/were always imbalanced.
If equal population, some servers have low/no interest in WvW.
Some just have low/no Oceanic, Asian, or EU guilds for coverage.

And that’s before you factor in skill levels, cross server match fixing, or entire guilds transferring solely to get to the server who wins the most, with or without leagues.

How are you supposed to make servers’ populations equal, those populations have equal WvW interest, AND have equal coverage times? Even within the same tiers, that’s impossible unless your auto-transferring people based on their schedule and play habits.

This is why most games don’t have server based PVP, and focus on guilds/factions/nations fighting each other on one server or across multiple servers.

@OP:

Need to choose here. Server stacking or fair fights. If one server wants to buy a lot of guilds, they need to understand that they will get a 2v1.

I basically only play Gw2 for the WvW, season one is what brought me back. So those of you that are anti another WvW season are killing the game for alot of us and we’ll just all run off and find something else competitive to play.