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Posted by: Miko.4158

Miko.4158

This is not instead of the wvw overhaul this is a short term solution to the current problem.
Lets pretend they sort all the other problems I suspect the bottom 2 servers are kitten as their wvw guilds have left. Alot left uw, but we are (were) stable….
fixing the bugs won’t bring guilds back.

The big rebalancing solution may fix it but it could be a long time coming knowing anet. By which time we will have shed alot/all of players and end up like the bottom 2.

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Posted by: Puck.9612

Puck.9612

If you have a bunch of cracked jars that are leaking water faster than you can put it in, would you waste your time trying to make sure they have an equal amount, or would you try and seal the cracks first?

If they eliminate servers they will drive more people away.
If they eliminate too many servers you will start seeing huge EB queues during NA prime, forcing people to play the kittenty deserted bl, kittenty EotM, or kittenty PvE while they wait. A lot of people will just log off instead.

They need to fix the bigger problems first (which includes kitten near everything they’ve done since the stability change). Once they make the game playable again we will get a better idea of what the population for each server is. At that point they should remove all of them and come back with (fewer) new servers with different names.

Jim Hunter when my other account isn’t suspended

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Posted by: Dusty Moon.4382

Dusty Moon.4382

If you have a bunch of cracked jars that are leaking water faster than you can put it in, would you waste your time trying to make sure they have an equal amount, or would you try and seal the cracks first?

If they eliminate servers they will drive more people away.
If they eliminate too many servers you will start seeing huge EB queues during NA prime, forcing people to play the kittenty deserted bl, kittenty EotM, or kittenty PvE while they wait. A lot of people will just log off instead.

They need to fix the bigger problems first (which includes kitten near everything they’ve done since the stability change). Once they make the game playable again we will get a better idea of what the population for each server is. At that point they should remove all of them and come back with (fewer) new servers with different names.

SO true. The server population is NOT the cause but was caused by the inaction of A.Net to fix WvW.

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Posted by: Deaeira.2651

Deaeira.2651

As long as you have sufficient people for a 600+ tick and to spawn camp the remaining 5-10 people playing against you with double+ numbers (e.g. yesterday’s whole evening) I’m more surprised anyone wants to play with you at all. Asking for the dissolution of other servers is quite telling. Perhaps we should propose to divide the players of UW between Vabbi and RoS instead. If you don’t like it, there’s obviously something wrong with your original request.

in EU, the bottom 2 servers are basically empty as an UW player (probably “just maintenance”) says we are back against vabbi and Ros. Blacktide had them last week and steam rolled up, and although we came second this week down we go in a zombie match up.
People are already saying they won’t bother with WVW this week… and it’s not started!
please can you roll up the bottom tiers I don’t mind if 26+27 go into 25 and 24 to keep it fair, or both into one or god bless you- you use stats(?). As long as the servers are kept whole, can’t see they would argue . We’d love to have em.
stop the rot anet, pls do something its now affecting our server.

It would also balance us against fow/whiteside who are alot larger.
I can’t see why you wouldn’t. If you roll a server give them all a free one off transfer to compensate their ’t’s+c’s’ and we are done.

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Posted by: Kungsmurfen.2861

Kungsmurfen.2861

Perhaps we should propose to divide the players of UW between Vabbi and RoS instead. If you don’t like it, there’s obviously something wrong with your original request.

Gotta agree with that.

That said while I want population fixes I’ve yet to see a solution I like so I have no clue how anet will fix anything.

Underworld – [ZERK]

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Posted by: Dusty Moon.4382

Dusty Moon.4382

As long as you have sufficient people for a 600+ tick and to spawn camp the remaining 5-10 people playing against you with double+ numbers (e.g. yesterday’s whole evening) I’m more surprised anyone wants to play with you at all. Asking for the dissolution of other servers is quite telling. Perhaps we should propose to divide the players of UW between Vabbi and RoS instead. If you don’t like it, there’s obviously something wrong with your original request.

in EU, the bottom 2 servers are basically empty as an UW player (probably “just maintenance”) says we are back against vabbi and Ros. Blacktide had them last week and steam rolled up, and although we came second this week down we go in a zombie match up.
People are already saying they won’t bother with WVW this week… and it’s not started!
please can you roll up the bottom tiers I don’t mind if 26+27 go into 25 and 24 to keep it fair, or both into one or god bless you- you use stats(?). As long as the servers are kept whole, can’t see they would argue . We’d love to have em.
stop the rot anet, pls do something its now affecting our server.

It would also balance us against fow/whiteside who are alot larger.
I can’t see why you wouldn’t. If you roll a server give them all a free one off transfer to compensate their ’t’s+c’s’ and we are done.

See, this is the mentality that bothers me. No server should be able to get 600 PPT on other servers from that same tier. What it points to is a mis-balance and the overemphasis of PPT.

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Posted by: Miko.4158

Miko.4158

I’m not playing wvw this week, nor are loads of people on uw. Those that do are worried if we don’t have enough points we wont go up and will end up with the same match up. I salute them.
If you offer UW a merger with ROS and Vabbi and as I’ve suggested + a free limited time pass for the server. I’d bite your hand off- and we’d decide as a guild
as for the pots cracked rubbish the last time I got told to conceptualise by a consultant we got them back for free. We wouldn’t pay for them and when I finished nor would anyone else. I wouldn’t recommend something I wouldn’t take myself.
this thread’s made it’s point. Pls close before the trolls declare residency.

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Posted by: Deaeira.2651

Deaeira.2651

It’s actually worse. People need the high tick or they are stuck in T9. This means, the current PPT mechanic leads to a lot of people quitting WvW, on both sides, the winners and the losers. I’m really scared, because there are regular complaints that winning doesn’t sufficiently pay off. If this is implemented, the dynamic will get even worse.

As long as you have sufficient people for a 600+ tick and to spawn camp the remaining 5-10 people playing against you with double+ numbers (e.g. yesterday’s whole evening) I’m more surprised anyone wants to play with you at all. Asking for the dissolution of other servers is quite telling. Perhaps we should propose to divide the players of UW between Vabbi and RoS instead. If you don’t like it, there’s obviously something wrong with your original request.

in EU, the bottom 2 servers are basically empty as an UW player (probably “just maintenance”) says we are back against vabbi and Ros. Blacktide had them last week and steam rolled up, and although we came second this week down we go in a zombie match up.
People are already saying they won’t bother with WVW this week… and it’s not started!
please can you roll up the bottom tiers I don’t mind if 26+27 go into 25 and 24 to keep it fair, or both into one or god bless you- you use stats(?). As long as the servers are kept whole, can’t see they would argue . We’d love to have em.
stop the rot anet, pls do something its now affecting our server.

It would also balance us against fow/whiteside who are alot larger.
I can’t see why you wouldn’t. If you roll a server give them all a free one off transfer to compensate their ’t’s+c’s’ and we are done.

See, this is the mentality that bothers me. No server should be able to get 600 PPT on other servers from that same tier. What it points to is a mis-balance and the overemphasis of PPT.

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Posted by: Deaeira.2651

Deaeira.2651

I’m not playing wvw this week, nor are loads of people on uw. Those that do are worried if we don’t have enough points we wont go up and will end up with the same match up. I salute them.
If you offer UW a merger with ROS and Vabbi and as I’ve suggested + a free limited time pass for the server. I’d bite your hand off- and we’d decide as a guild
as for the pots cracked rubbish the last time I got told to conceptualise by a consultant we got them back for free. We wouldn’t pay for them and when I finished nor would anyone else. I wouldn’t recommend something I wouldn’t take myself.
this thread’s made it’s point. Pls close before the trolls declare residency.

Respect for the concession :-) What came to my mind a few weeks ago was that if they really do the conversion to an alliance based system, I’d like to have a guild automatically created for each server. Then the servers are still visible and we have more flexibility with the team-ups.

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Posted by: Helys Vikonas.9125

Helys Vikonas.9125

Former Vabbi player here ; I stopped playing two months ago, and even before that, couldn’t really muster any interest in wvw anymore.

Frankly the situation in t9 during the last months has been pathetic. Average EB prime time group was the size of a PVP team. Same was true for ROF. BT and UW had significantly more people – but with those small numbers, “significantly” doesn’t mean much.
This leads to the same people fighting each other day in day out in a very boring manner, because two servers are zombie-servers in the end and the result is pretty much clear right from the beginning.

Of course those aren’t the only issues. A lot has been said about the new maps and gimmicks. And the game balance right now is pretty much screwed (Classes? lol. Stability? … Roaming? zzzz. Pirate ship meta? ZZZZ). Bigger servers have bigger communities and generally more fighting opportunities, while smaller servers, and especially zombie servers like the T9 ones, easily loose their remaining strength.

So, right now, I would be ready for server mergers if they came with fixes for the other gamemode issues. It would be the only way to save Vabbi. Two years ago we had a hard time, but it wasn’t even close to what it is today.
Without fixes… well I fear it would simply create the same problems all over, with new “servers”. If you put simply RoS and Vabbi together… well, two zombies don’t make a living person. Even something as radical as scrapping the while bronze tier would only be a temporary measure – if the gamemode stays as it is, the lowest remaining silver tier servers will be in the same situation as T9 today.

Of course, I’m not expecting much.