Guild Wars 2

“Sacrificing one’s happiness for the good of the server "
I hear people say they like to do ones own thing. That they play the game how they want. Is that really a good idea? One some servers it might be okay to run with small roaming group or havoc . On some server’s. They can use every man they can get.
At any point do we sacrafice our happiness for the over all good of the server. Or do we let the server down or possibly kitten off the majority of the servers WVW?

On some servers were they tend to have a nice core group to take care of the map and control it. Leaving people free to do his or her own thing. Now on other servers this is just not possible to do.

People talk about they can’t force you to do anything and that if they ever do. They wold stop playing the game.

For me I find happiness in everyone working as a team and having fun on voice coms. To have as many people as we can working as a well oiled machine.

Thoughts? Over heard this being talked about on Voice coms. That lead to a big debate on the subject. So I figured I’d take it to the forums.

I like it when everyone works together, if a map is queued and there are only 30 people on tag, or if no one wants to scout a keep for 15 min. the group is at a disadvantage. A zerg is most successful when everyone is working with the commander to achieve the same goal.

XacTactX.6709:

I like it when everyone works together, if a map is queued and there are only 30 people on tag, or if no one wants to scout a keep for 15 min. the group is at a disadvantage. A zerg is most successful when everyone is working with the commander to achieve the same goal.

I agree with you full heartedly. I mean commanders csn always use. Scouts, mini havoc or people to tick siege and do some of the same thing’s. Just don’t work against the server.

I will always play however I want, whenever I want, I will be in TS when I feel like being in TS and if I don’t feel like talking or listening to people I will not be in TS. I will solo roam, I will run with the zerg, I will havoc, I will command, I will do whatever makes me enjoy the game. This, of course, with the added addendum that I don’t screw up the enjoyment of the rest of the server, such as being a rally bot or “going against the grain” as it were.

Remember what this is: a game. If I’m sacrificing enjoyment or happiness for a game, then I will no longer play that game.

Yes, sometimes a tag will drop and I’ll take over even if that wasn’t my intention or plan to do so (and if I take the tag, I will do everything I can to both keep our group alive as well as make sure everyone is having as much fun as possible). Or if an all-call goes out, I’ll usually respond, because those can be awesomely intense fights. Etc, etc.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

I will always play however I want, whenever I want, I will be in TS when I feel like being in TS and if I don’t feel like talking or listening to people I will not be in TS. I will solo roam, I will run with the zerg, I will havoc, I will command, I will do whatever makes me enjoy the game. This, of course, with the added addendum that I don’t screw up the enjoyment of the rest of the server, such as being a rally bot or “going against the grain” as it were.

Remember what this is: a game. If I’m sacrificing enjoyment or happiness for a game, then I will no longer play that game.

Yes, sometimes a tag will drop and I’ll take over even if that wasn’t my intention or plan to do so (and if I take the tag, I will do everything I can to both keep our group alive as well as make sure everyone is having as much fun as possible). Or if an all-call goes out, I’ll usually respond, because those can be awesomely intense fights. Etc, etc.

We need more people like you. I agree with all you said and then some.

If anyone is “sacrificing their happiness for the good of the server” then my honest suggestion is spend 20 mins on the phone with a real life friend or just step outside and go sit in a park or see a movie, just spend less time at a computer.

If you think your server doesn’t have enough PPT people, transfer to one that does. Apart from breaking the rules, how anyone plays is their business. I don’t hop onto the maps to play with siege and I often don’t care to be in public channels because well, I don’t care about what 95% of the people there have to say.

I did move and I still find it to. He the same on the upper tiers as it was on the lower tier. You can only go so high. I just get un happy seeing people not be a part of the group.

Over all I guess you can’t please everyone. So at least please the majority then.

I love to see small groups capping a camp before i come to solo it.
But also it is really nice to have some people to lean on, the cornerstone of a server is not the commander. It’s the people taking time to run the dolly, to scout that camp and who siege and defend that one tower.
The people that respond for that 1 supply you need. who come to support when you are contesting a camp.

iow The ones who follow mapchat and respond accordingly working around the commanders and making the map a playable environment for the commanders.

“We just rushed a waypoint in a wooden keep” is to show how important those players are.

but.. In the end you will need a healthy population and match up to enjoy it.

when I play chess I like to move the pieces randomly and make poor moves, then when my opponent says… this was a dumb game, I respond with IM JUST PLAYING FOR FUN and then flip the table.

that was actually a sarcastic analogy in case you didnt get it… but its what all those ppl who bring uplvls, dont get on TS and behave in an uncooperative manner sound like to me.

The whole point of the game, playing any game, is try to win by playing your best. its not fun for anyone else participating as foe or ally when one player doesnt even try.

ever play monopoly and after a few hours its clear your not gonna win? you start feeling tired and so you give all your money away and quit. it the same sentiment, thats where they are coming from.

Yeah because if you don’t use TS or do exactly what others tell you to do in wvw then you are automatically a bad player. There is no other option, you HAVE to be a bad player unless you fall in line! rawr!

And that is how some wvw players sound and why I keep having fun playing my own way. No, I am not a rallybot and I follow the zerg easily without the need for TS. Sometimes I do my own thing in wvw because it seems like the more fun option at the time. Call me what you want but I put fun in this videogame before everything else. If you want to interpret that as playing bad then that is your issue.

Synosius.9876:

The whole point of the game, playing any game, is try to win by playing your best. its not fun for anyone else participating as foe or ally when one player doesnt even try.

This is objectively wrong, and you are stating it as if it was a fact. It’s not. It’s a subjective opinion.

For me, the whole point of the game, any game, is to have fun. It’s sure as hell not going to bother me if someone calls me a bad player because I’m not doing a certain thing because I wouldn’t enjoy doing it. In fact, I might laugh a little.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Synosius.9876:

The whole point of the game, playing any game, is try to win by playing your best. its not fun for anyone else participating as foe or ally when one player doesnt even try.

This is objectively wrong, and you are stating it as if it was a fact. It’s not. It’s a subjective opinion.

For me, the whole point of the game, any game, is to have fun. It’s sure as hell not going to bother me if someone calls me a bad player because I’m not doing a certain thing because I wouldn’t enjoy doing it. In fact, I might laugh a little.

To me by you doing what you want to play the game the way you want. Makes me not happy and not have fun in a game I really like to enjoy. If you wish to do this check in in team chat and say. I’m only on for a few hrs or in the middle of studying and or kids home. I’m going to roam and escort yaks or what ever. Maybe even see where you might be needed and if that fits in line with your idea of fun . Last thing main group of daily WVW players want is a rogue player that seems to be working against the main group or commander. I’ll be up front we talk badly about those not in voice chat. Or not connecting very well with main groups synergy. I’m okay if you only want to get on coms and or play by the suggested server rules on reset night. That’s when we need everyone the most.

UnrealTravis.9016:

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Synosius.9876:

The whole point of the game, playing any game, is try to win by playing your best. its not fun for anyone else participating as foe or ally when one player doesnt even try.

This is objectively wrong, and you are stating it as if it was a fact. It’s not. It’s a subjective opinion.

For me, the whole point of the game, any game, is to have fun. It’s sure as hell not going to bother me if someone calls me a bad player because I’m not doing a certain thing because I wouldn’t enjoy doing it. In fact, I might laugh a little.

To me by you doing what you want to play the game the way you want. Makes me not happy and not have fun in a game I really like to enjoy. If you wish to do this check in in team chat and say. I’m only on for a few hrs or in the middle of studying and or kids home. I’m going to roam and escort yaks or what ever. Maybe even see where you might be needed and if that fits in line with your idea of fun . Last thing main group of daily WVW players want is a rogue player that seems to be working against the main group or commander. I’ll be up front we talk badly about those not in voice chat. Or not connecting very well with main groups synergy. I’m okay if you only want to get on coms and or play by the suggested server rules on reset night. That’s when we need everyone the most.

Oh What? So are you saying YOU can play the way you want and have fun, but others can’t because you want them to report to you or the commander otherwise will spoil your game?

We have different individuals with different view of things, different definitions of fun. No one can impose anything and demand anything. It is a game, not a job. No one is paying me to take up a job position and subject myself to their authority. Why should I bother with boring stuff which will only frustrates me? For the greater good? Well then I’ll tell you those players which feels have a heavy burden on their shoulders by doing what they don’t have fun because of a greater good soon enough will feel burned and quit the game.

So, let’s go to the question: Do you want players to have fun, enjoy what can still be enjoyable from WvW, and play the game continually or do you want to dump a heavy burden on them and in a couple of months have less players fighting for your server?

Anyway, people tend to think if we “rogues”, as were called, don’t do what they consider we have to do, we are doing a disfavor for the server. However, let me help broad your view of things: we “rogues”, roamers playing the kitten way we want, do help the server. We flip the camps, we roam after fights, we engage and sometimes keep them busy fighting over a camp, a tower, or just open field fights, or even group up to duel and have fun with players from other servers and while WE are doing that, you have less players from opposing servers trying to flip objectives. Kitten right?

I am with Ark here, play the way he plays, the day, the way, when, how, which, etc I want. If I want to command; I will, if I want to roam, I will; If I want to flip camps only, I will; If I don’t want to chat in map or team, I won’t; If I don’t feel like joining TS, I won’t. If I want to go after a zerg and try to take the tail by myself for the “lolz”, I will do it; If I have to jump right in the middle of a zerg to have fun, just a friend and I, for a friendly competition of who will be the last one standing, oh for sure I will do it.

You can label me, call me of whatever you want, but in the end, I will be the one still playing the game because I am having fun. I won’t be frustrated, I won’t be mad, won’t be burned, won’t quit and will still be playing for my server, on my own way.

“My way or the highway” Seems to be OP’s credo.

UnrealTravis.9016:

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Synosius.9876:

The whole point of the game, playing any game, is try to win by playing your best. its not fun for anyone else participating as foe or ally when one player doesnt even try.

This is objectively wrong, and you are stating it as if it was a fact. It’s not. It’s a subjective opinion.

For me, the whole point of the game, any game, is to have fun. It’s sure as hell not going to bother me if someone calls me a bad player because I’m not doing a certain thing because I wouldn’t enjoy doing it. In fact, I might laugh a little.

To me by you doing what you want to play the game the way you want. Makes me not happy and not have fun in a game I really like to enjoy. If you wish to do this check in in team chat and say. I’m only on for a few hrs or in the middle of studying and or kids home. I’m going to roam and escort yaks or what ever. Maybe even see where you might be needed and if that fits in line with your idea of fun . Last thing main group of daily WVW players want is a rogue player that seems to be working against the main group or commander. I’ll be up front we talk badly about those not in voice chat. Or not connecting very well with main groups synergy. I’m okay if you only want to get on coms and or play by the suggested server rules on reset night. That’s when we need everyone the most.

My goal is not to sacrifice my enjoyment of the game to make you enjoy the game more. End of conversation, I’m done here. And you clearly read my original post where I explicitly stated that I don’t go against the grain or actively work against the server in any way. You even quoted it and said the game needs more players like me. It’s like you’re two different people at times.

eating to live and living to eat… happiness is somewhere in between.

its not enough to tell ppl your way is better, you have to show them. there are a few ppl who welcome the burden and take pride in giving the server maps where they can come out and kitten around until their hearts content.

wvw isnt just ppt and stomping enemies, there is relationship building as well and some ppl just dont want to be reached. they reject every offering of friendship and there will be nothing you can do but try to understand and accept their rejections.

It sounds to me that you want people to sacrifice their happiness for your happiness. I like to do my thing, run around capping camps and trying to find fun fights, because that is what I think is fun, zerg play is monotonous and boring in my personal opinion. And if it is like you say, that you run around with big zergs in TS laughing about how bad people are, that is certainly not something I think sounds like fun.

I’ve heard people say “this is how it is meant to be” about big blob-fights with lots of siege and I’ve heard it said about standing still in a spot away from the action and just 1v1’ing. Both are valid, if you get enjoyment out of it.

No matter what way you prefer to play, don’t sacrifice your happiness for other people, it is a computer game. You have a right to play whatever way you want to, you don’t have a right to tell other people how to play.

To put it simply. I hope that it makes people happy to contribute to other’s happiness… In a community, any community, there will always need to be compromises but not everything is a compromises.

azyume.6321:

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takes hat off

So, on to my reply, which pretty much echoes many of the others here:
This is a game, my aim is to have fun, while I try to be respectful and not ruin the game for others. However, I do it “my way”. If they want something different from me and I don’t like what they want – well tough luck, they aren’t paying me, so they have no authority over me.

Oh btw guys, did you notice – it’s the same dude from the “valid reason not to be on voice comms?” topic and the tone of this one is quite similar imo…

Hope he isn’t on my server. Pathetic points in each of his posts.

6/10 OP, you need to spread out your troll topics more. People are catching on.

Lol ok yeah this has to be a troll post. gg

I ruin the enemy server’s enjoyment when I spawn camp uplevels and kill staff eles in the middle of their zergs

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