Guild Wars 2

So, is it yet AGAIN great idea of putting RNG in the game, or is it just bugged thing now, that I’m getting tendoms instead of Fangs all the time from the bosses?

I got that from some random bag

Yup, they do LOVE that RNG -_-

Going to do the boss again, not cause its fun or cause i want to … cause RNG =D

I hope that one of Devs is looking at this thread, or at least looked at it.

Because it is RIDICULOUS to make that things RNG.

I get it – they want to make it hard to get that stuff, but for the LOVE OF GOD WHY RNG?

You need to get 2k bandit crests to buy other carapace gloves skins = farming
You need to find a good server where people are doing the meta event = time consuming
You need to get all the achievements to get the item you need for the luminescent = challenging
You need to actually get an item to get an item needed for the collection with the crests = farming
You need to DO THE META EVENT = time consuming

And all of the above is fine by me. I’m okay with all the above, because it can’t be easy to get.

But putting RNG for the item you need for the collection? REALLY?

For the love of human gods Anet YOU GIVE US TITLE FOR OPENING THE CHEST INSIDE MAZE.

Just…Why?
I’m not mad, I’m just sad. Because it is sad, that, despite all those post about us not liking RNG, Anet still pushes it down our throat.

So can I get a response from the Dev what the hell?

Is it a bug? (PLEASE SAY YES ;____:)
Or is it intendent? If so, what are the kitten chances of getting the fang?

I’ve gotten the wrong thing 3 times in a row now. It’s… deflating… It takes quite some time to get to the breach.. then I don’t even get what I need.

So experimental extractor is just RNG.

With the new extractor they gave a guaranteed drop for tendons. If I were to guess, the next patch would add a guaranteed extractor for fangs. So…if you really don’t want to RNG it, just wait for the next patch when they add the next guaranteed extractor.

I think it is pointless to do it this way and they should just add the guaranteed fang extractor now.

Update: On top of that, if you are done with the collection, you only receive what? 15 or 25 bandit crests for tendons you don’t want? – which you can easily get for doing several small events out in the world vs just the boss.

Exactly. I mean, what’s the point of RNG in here? It only makes us mad, it doesn’t make this thing more challenging.
I only hope we can get dev response in here, but I guess I ask for too much.

Can someone for Anet confirm this? That’s is RNG?
I just killed 4 champs, trying new and old devices and all I got were the old ones.

Neve.7134:

Can someone for Anet confirm this? That’s is RNG?
I just killed 4 champs, trying new and old devices and all I got were the old ones.

you’re seriously asking if RNGW2 can confirm they made these rng?

This is RIDICULOUS!!!!
Tendons instead of Fangs??? RNG?!!!!??? I have almost 6k played hours and never had luck with RNG.
I’m also leader of a PvP Guild and doing nothing but PvP.
But forcing us to be stuck LONGER than NEEDED because of RNG is something that’s just not going through my head.

Why don’t u put the lumins pieces we need for the Collection into the Reward Line of PvP???!!

I ain’t gonna farm 24/7 and end up getting nothing!
Change this.

7 champions, 2 hours wasted and still nothing

From the release notes:

Bug Fixes:
…

The Cryptobotanist will now exchange bandit crests for Mordrem fangs when he is asking for them.
…

Except I just talked to him, and he didn’t say anything about fangs, so I’m not sure how that works.

Eirian Direstorm.9748:

From the release notes:

Bug Fixes:
…

The Cryptobotanist will now exchange bandit crests for Mordrem fangs when he is asking for them.
…

Except I just talked to him, and he didn’t say anything about fangs, so I’m not sure how that works.

He will give YOU bandit crests (which are already easy to get – provided you have enough players on the map to do the actual events…) for YOUR fangs.

Guess people were getting the achievements from last patch too fast. Anything to keep us in the new zone longer . . . I guess.

I seen there was a new extractor the NPC has, but I haven’t had a chance to test this yet, as yet again ANET ran an update and Reset and killed the map.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Guess people were getting the achievements from last patch too fast. Anything to keep us in the new zone longer . . . I guess.

Yep, their way to artificicaly encance the playtime. Dont add new content, add RNG based drop for achievments. Great idea…..
People like me who are cursed by the RNG god wont see any of these items in years.
Me for example had over 300 Tequatl runs and only got 1 skin recently. With this luck I have to kill those ugly kittens several thousand times until I get the items.
Is this what you highly praised???? More RNG instead of some really good content?

I thought that you were recovering from your failing spree, but I was wrong. The last episode of the LS with the new zone was obviously a pleasant surprise, nothing more. From now on its probably going down really fast again.

Its fine as it is. RNG ensure the map will not be dead again in 24 hours.

Eirian Direstorm.9748:

From the release notes:

Bug Fixes:
…

The Cryptobotanist will now exchange bandit crests for Mordrem fangs when he is asking for them.
…

Except I just talked to him, and he didn’t say anything about fangs, so I’m not sure how that works.

He exchanges your fangs for his crests.

Malediktus.9250:

Its fine as it is. RNG ensure the map will not be dead again in 24 hours.

Or . . . they could make the rewards more substantial and rewarding. But, hey, maybe that’s just me.

Disguising the grind with an RNG isn’t fooling the people with a clue.

I think it’s fair to say that with all this grind, people just want the rewards and achievement points and then get the hell out of there. The chests aren’t very rewarding (unless you’re going for obsidian shards, then it’s generous). And it takes forever to just get to 1 boss – and that’s IF there’s enough players on the map to get everything done.

This just feels like another living story episode of ‘ok so I have maybe 1-4 days while everyone is here to get my achievements and luminescent glove skin before it’s a complete wasteland (excuse the pun) and I miss out on everything’.

It’s like a competition to get your achievement points & skin before the place is deserted

It shouldn’t be like this. Anet needs to encourage us somehow to stay in this region – and by decreasing the amount of badges from chests, forcing us to get 2k more badges (or hope to get 2 glove chests from the very few bosses we get access to), and by making the chances of getting the fangs by use of RNGesus, you’re actually deterring a hell of a lot more players, rather than attracting them.

This is why more and more players are getting fed up with this. It’s just a grindfest now. The fun is gone.

Lol, rng fangs. What a disaster.
The lumi armors don’t look that great anyway. Dye doesn’t really work on it much.
I wanted to get them all for the sake of completion but now, bah, can’t be bothered anymore.

We are only at the 2nd piece of the set and the fang is acquired through RNG using the experimental extractor.

If you think about it, it will get really worst as we progress to the next armor pieces.

RNGesus help us!

Well . . . I did all the Living Story achievements, got the maze achievements, got the pieces for the lining, truffle, and ring for the glove achievements, and killed at least three champion bosses in the pit over the night . . . and not one fang.

Not even one from the Extracted Mordrem Teragriff Part reward bag: 2 tendons and a chest-something.

Gotta love RNG.

Guess that fang extractor coming in two weeks is for the extremely unlucky like myself.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Not even one from the Extracted Mordrem Teragriff Part reward bag: 2 tendons and a chest-something.

Keep that last one. You never know, might be useful for the next LS.

I just checked both the game patch notes and the wiki. None of them says anything about fangs being RNG.
Which looks like they did that on purpose as a stealth part of the update because…Reasons!

Can we PLEASE GET THE DEV IN HERE? Or will we be ignored because there are faar more important things to answer to? Like “World Tournament finishers”?

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry at the moment.

Same problem. Fought 9 bosses half the time using the old extractor and then the new one. Haven’t gotten one fang. This is ridiculous.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Well . . . I did all the Living Story achievements, got the maze achievements, got the pieces for the lining, truffle, and ring for the glove achievements, and killed at least three champion bosses in the pit over the night . . . and not one fang.

Not even one from the Extracted Mordrem Teragriff Part reward bag: 2 tendons and a chest-something.

Gotta love RNG.

Guess that fang extractor coming in two weeks is for the extremely unlucky like myself.

Really? Wow. I thought the story rewarded Teragriff part was a guaranteed Fang…I got three Teragriff Fangs. o.o I’m so sorry you didn’t get one.

I guess I’ve been extra lucky the only fang I’m missing is from Thrasher…in fact that’s the only piece I’m missing to get my luminescent gloves. I did have to try a couple times at Amber, but I wound up getting it.

And if anyone doesn’t know, you get a guaranteed greater nightmare key if your map can get all the breach champs down. The very first map I got into after doing the story succeeded. We need to band together (and not afk) to get the map organized….no idea how to do that though. The best map I was ever on got to the breach within 15 minutes and we killed all the champs. (This was sometime last week)

Anet took an interesting and satisfying model (seen in echoes of the past), and downgraded it into massive farming and RNG (for tangled paths).

That’s GW2, the greatest mmo ever, for you. Didn’t change in the past, probably never will. After all, developers must “test” out different models to see how the community reacts, and “adjust accordingly”. Tyria is an experimental lab. And when a patch is fun and satisfying, it must be immediately downgraded under the hopes that players will still eat it up. Perhaps the previous patch was too good, and Anet doesn’t want that level of satisfaction for their playerbase.

I’ve currently burned through 30 of the green extraction devices (the ones that don’t specifically say tendons) on just teragriffs alone. All of the other boses gave me fangs first try figured it would’ve been another simple task to get them. NOPE get to teragriff constantly REFUSES to give me a fang. All for what? just some stupid glove skins?

Panzer.3162:

I’ve currently burned through 30 of the green extraction devices (the ones that don’t specifically say tendons) on just teragriffs alone. All of the other boses gave me fangs first try figured it would’ve been another simple task to get them. NOPE get to teragriff constantly REFUSES to give me a fang. All for what? just some stupid glove skins?

So you’ve gone through 30? Well assuming that you were consistently on a map that succeeded at killing both then it would take you 15 rounds to go through that many. With the additional 17 minute cool down for the labyrinth, and the roughly 30 minutes to progress towards the breach as well as another 5 min for the actual breach event, you’re looking at about 52ish minutes per round.

So you’re telling me that you’ve spent the past 13 hours doing the meta event, while succeeding at killing both teragriffs, and haven’t gotten a fang? Killing both is what is what most maps struggle with and they normally can only kill one. This would lead to 26 hours to kill 30 if only killing one each round.

My point is that it appears that you’re grossly exaggerating how many you went through just to make the drop rate seem worse than it really is.

Ayrilana.1396:

Panzer.3162:

I’ve currently burned through 30 of the green extraction devices (the ones that don’t specifically say tendons) on just teragriffs alone. All of the other boses gave me fangs first try figured it would’ve been another simple task to get them. NOPE get to teragriff constantly REFUSES to give me a fang. All for what? just some stupid glove skins?

So you’ve gone through 30? Well assuming that you were consistently on a map that succeeded at killing both then it would take you 15 rounds to go through that many. With the additional 17 minute cool down for the labyrinth, and the roughly 30 minutes to progress towards the breach as well as another 5 min for the actual breach event, you’re looking at about 52ish minutes per round.

So you’re telling me that you’ve spent the past 13 hours doing the meta event, while succeeding at killing both teragriffs, and haven’t gotten a fang? Killing both is what is what most maps struggle with and they normally can only kill one. This would lead to 26 hours to kill 30 if only killing one each round.

My point is that it appears that you’re grossly exaggerating how many you went through just to make the drop rate seem worse than it really is.

you get 1 bag from teragriffs succeeding or not, and you can taxi into a new one I finally did get my fang after 32 devices, that’s 32 attempts at aroudn 5mins per attempt and around 1-10 minutes between breeches (i used taxi’s) so I did spend quite some time doing it today.

Well there’s nothing to suggest that tendons and fangs have different drop rates from another. You’d expect, if anything, for tendons to have the lower drop rate. Since you can only get a tendon or a fang, you can assume the drop rate is roughly 50%. The probability of going more that 10 attempts is low and even lower at 32.

I wouldn’t mind the RNG if it was more biased towards getting the newer items, but like hell is it

Yeah, I’m close to sticking the whole luminescent armor because of this. I’ve done each boss at least once, some twice, and have yet to receive a single fang. Maybe it’s better to do it with the extractor that gives you a fang for sure, but then you’ll be later for the next items.

But are they gonna just add more items to the mix with more armor parts? The drop rate for the current mordrem part is gonna be so small! Why not just add the extractor right away, maybe with higher crest price, so people would have a choice?

15 breach events done today and i got 1 fang from all that work while my slacker mate who only tagged events and ran off to the others got all 4 in 4 breach events
RNG is just a kick in the nuts to hard working players
and its just sader still when you see the tendon extractor device when most players dont need tendons anymore
i guess the lesson here is dont waste your time farming fangs wait till next patch when they release a fang extractor and so on
Anet simply want you to grind away your hours doing the same thing over and over again to get what you want
personaly i think its just a poorly thought out way to pad the real lack of content this patch

You need to farm for crests anyway and in next LS we get the fang extractor..
I dont see the problem.

Assuming I did the math correctly, using the general purpose extractor and then trading in the tendons nets a profit of 13 crests. If that is true I would always use an extractor if you make it to the breach, even if you have all 4 fangs.

Psientist.6437:

Assuming I did the math correctly, using the general purpose extractor and then trading in the tendons nets a profit of 13 crests. If that is true I would always use an extractor if you make it to the breach, even if you have all 4 fangs.

Tendons give like 12 while fangs give 25.

Ayrilana.1396:

Psientist.6437:

Assuming I did the math correctly, using the general purpose extractor and then trading in the tendons nets a profit of 13 crests. If that is true I would always use an extractor if you make it to the breach, even if you have all 4 fangs.

Tendons give like 12 while fangs give 25.

Has the crests for tendons exchange been lowered? According to wiki it was/is 25 crests per tendon. If it has been lowered to 12 then it costs 80 copper per failed attempt at a fang.

Psientist.6437:

Ayrilana.1396:

Psientist.6437:

Assuming I did the math correctly, using the general purpose extractor and then trading in the tendons nets a profit of 13 crests. If that is true I would always use an extractor if you make it to the breach, even if you have all 4 fangs.

Tendons give like 12 while fangs give 25.

Has the crests for tendons exchange been lowered? According to wiki it was/is 25 crests per tendon. If it has been lowered to 12 then it costs 80 copper per failed attempt at a fang.

It may be 15 and not 12 but it has been lowered for the tendons. The value you get is what you would have gotten from the second option that we noticed the last update that didn’t make much sense at the time. The last update, tendons were the first option but now it is the fangs.

khani.4786:

Really? Wow. I thought the story rewarded Teragriff part was a guaranteed Fang…I got three Teragriff Fangs. o.o I’m so sorry you didn’t get one.

I guess I’ve been extra lucky the only fang I’m missing is from Thrasher…in fact that’s the only piece I’m missing to get my luminescent gloves. I did have to try a couple times at Amber, but I wound up getting it.

THREE?! Sob . . .

Ayrilana.1396:

Psientist.6437:

Ayrilana.1396:

Psientist.6437:

Assuming I did the math correctly, using the general purpose extractor and then trading in the tendons nets a profit of 13 crests. If that is true I would always use an extractor if you make it to the breach, even if you have all 4 fangs.

Tendons give like 12 while fangs give 25.

Has the crests for tendons exchange been lowered? According to wiki it was/is 25 crests per tendon. If it has been lowered to 12 then it costs 80 copper per failed attempt at a fang.

It may be 15 and not 12 but it has been lowered for the tendons. The value you get is what you would have gotten from the second option that we noticed the last update that didn’t make much sense at the time. The last update, tendons were the first option but now it is the fangs.

The guy sometimes specifically looks for tendons, then you get 25 crests for them, and sometimes he’s looking for fangs, then you get 25 for those. I haven’t figured out yet, if there is a specific timer to this, or if it’s just random, but he definitely switched between those 2. And you always get 15 crests for the parts he isn’t currently looking for.

EDIT: or maybe I exchanged my tendons on the first day of the LS patch and they simply changed it…? To be honest I can’t remember, I’m getting old

Rayti.6531:

Ayrilana.1396:

Psientist.6437:

Ayrilana.1396:

Psientist.6437:

Assuming I did the math correctly, using the general purpose extractor and then trading in the tendons nets a profit of 13 crests. If that is true I would always use an extractor if you make it to the breach, even if you have all 4 fangs.

Tendons give like 12 while fangs give 25.

Has the crests for tendons exchange been lowered? According to wiki it was/is 25 crests per tendon. If it has been lowered to 12 then it costs 80 copper per failed attempt at a fang.

It may be 15 and not 12 but it has been lowered for the tendons. The value you get is what you would have gotten from the second option that we noticed the last update that didn’t make much sense at the time. The last update, tendons were the first option but now it is the fangs.

The guy sometimes specifically looks for tendons, then you get 25 crests for them, and sometimes he’s looking for fangs, then you get 25 for those. I haven’t figured out yet, if there is a specific timer to this, or if it’s just random, but he definitely switched between those 2. And you always get 15 crests for the parts he isn’t currently looking for.

EDIT: or maybe I exchanged my tendons on the first day of the LS patch and they simply changed it…? To be honest I can’t remember, I’m getting old

I don’t know either. I just saw him offer 15 crests for my fangs.

Edit: It may be tied to his location. He offered me 25 for my fangs when he was in the camp. This is where I remember him offering me the same thing from yesterday.

The cryptobotanist does explicitely state what kind of part he is looking for (fangs or tendoms), and only offers 25 crests for that. If you want to trade in tendoms while he’s looking for fangs or the other way around, just hang on to your tendoms/fangs and check back later.

Hard to get fangs ?
Imagine how it will be once we will be on 6th part of the armor ????

Kicast.1459:

Hard to get fangs ?
Imagine how it will be once we will be on 6th part of the armor ????

I’m assuming we’ll have a new map for the next update.

This is a non-issue unless you WANT the items NAO! The new Extractor items (for 30 crests) give you the previous LS key item with 100% chance (so, basically, it’s not random) . We now have the tendons one available, I gather in the next 2 weeks we’ll have the fangs one too, and so on.

I think there is a pattern. With this update you can by Caithe’s Blossom for crests, and get an extractor for tendons— both the things needed for the previous episode’s luminescent armor skin.

Maybe next episode, there with be an extractor just for fangs and the currently required trinket will be sold for crests.

In fact, I think that must be how it will work, to ensure that people who come along later to get these skins actually have a chance, when the maps are emptier or less organized.

So I guess you may have to be patient, but at least it’s not hopeless reliance on the fickle gods of RNG.

I’m wondering if the order you attempt the fangs makes a difference. My plan was to go counterclockwise for each Breach in order to keep track of which one I still needed. Worked great at Red, I got a fang. Next I went to Amber, applied a fresh new extractor — and got a tendon. (Note: TENDON not TENDOM).

Most likely it’s just RNG is RNG, but could those who got loads of fangs say what order they did the forts, if they remember?

Donari.5237:

I’m wondering if the order you attempt the fangs makes a difference. My plan was to go counterclockwise for each Breach in order to keep track of which one I still needed. Worked great at Red, I got a fang. Next I went to Amber, applied a fresh new extractor — and got a tendon. (Note: TENDON not TENDOM).

Most likely it’s just RNG is RNG, but could those who got loads of fangs say what order they did the forts, if they remember?

It shouldn’t matter as the drop rates are independent of each other.

All this current RnG madness is causing is people to not even bother trying for the fangs and just make them wait for the Fang extractor in the next update.