Guild Wars 2

Have we seen any Kodan interact with the Zephyrites, or know their opinions on eachother? The way the Master of Peace was talking in the instance reminded me of a Kodan talking about balance, and it made me wonder if the Kodan judged the Zephyrites higher than the average human. Similar architecture too, come to think of it.

No interaction that I know of. The similarities in architecture is mainly just down to the prevalence of sails, which seem to have been developed for the same reason but in independent circumstances.

Zephrities at least don’t treat everybody else like crapp….

Yes, some Kodan are quiet nice. But a number treat everybody else as idiots incapable of understanding their beliefs, and thus don’t even try to explain. And one of my early encounters with them was on a Norn (whose personal story, if doing the horn line, involves Kodan), and they get VERY judgmental and angry at you if you choose to keep a the relic instead of smashing it.

A relic corrupted by Jormag, Kalavier. Context is important.

Most Kodan are polite, if somewhat aloof. There was one Kodan in Snowden Drifts I ran into on my Charr who basically told me to get away from her, saying that the Charr as a race conquer and despoil all that we touch. That was an interesting NPC dialogue. XD

I’m more interested in why we haven’t seen any tengu involved with the Zephyrites or the Bazaar for that matter. One of the primary identities of the tengu we have met in GW2 is that of traders. The largest number of tengu outside of the wall are there to set up a trading camp. Why wouldn’t there be one or two at the Bazaar?

I’m also curious as to why there are no tengu Zaephyrites. We’ve seen sylvari, norn, asuran and primarily human zephyrites, but no tengu? It just kinda seemed like a race that valued trade so much would have some involvement in these two trading bodies. This is one time I hope the game is just not showing us the tengu and they are actually on one of the ships we don’t see, but when the time comes, tengu do show up at the Bazaar (there’s always next time, we really need some tengu characters in this story, even if the game isn’t ready to go beyond the wall, I wouldn’t mind meeting a female tengu).

A relic that was originally bestowed by the kodan, what’s more.

On tengu Zephyrites – I wouldn’t say that the tengu are a race that puts a high focus on trade. We get a skewed perspective because traders and soldiers are almost the only tengu we see outside the Wall, but even the tengu traders only visit camps in the general vicinity of their walls. Even the most outgoing tengu don’t seem to be interested in traveling more than a single zone away from the Dominion of Winds, so there’s probably never even been a tengu visitor to the Bazaar.

Ironic as that is, given that they have enough else in common that when the Bazaar was announced last year, a lot of people thought it would be a tengu-focused event.

People only thought it was tengu based because of the name “Four Winds” and the tengu houses being named after what the tengu call the four winds (North, South, East, West).

When you look at the actual bazaar itself, you see very little that ties into tengu. It was literally one very minor thing (a name) that brought people to the connection. But that’s like saying there’s a connection between the Peacemakers hired by the White Mantle during War in Kryta, and the Peacekeepers of the asura.

True. At the time, though, the concept of ‘four winds’ was fairly strongly linked to the tengu in many people’s perceptions. The first piece of artwork obviously put a damper on it, with the idea losing weight more and more as more information came in.

Shiren.9532:

I’m also curious as to why there are no tengu Zaephyrites. We’ve seen sylvari, norn, asuran and primarily human zephyrites, but no tengu? It just kinda seemed like a race that valued trade so much would have some involvement in these two trading bodies. This is one time I hope the game is just not showing us the tengu and they are actually on one of the ships we don’t see, but when the time comes, tengu do show up at the Bazaar (there’s always next time, we really need some tengu characters in this story, even if the game isn’t ready to go beyond the wall, I wouldn’t mind meeting a female tengu).

Have we? I was running through the Labyrinthine Cliffs yesterday and after a while I was noting that all Zephyrites or Strangers were all human. Sure, there’s some named NPCs of the various races aboard the Zephyr Sanctum, but I don’t think they’re Zephyrites and instead just festival attendees.

So, I was wondering if the Zephyrites are all-human? Just curious.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

A relic corrupted by Jormag, Kalavier. Context is important.

Yes, and that’s why I said “One of my early experiances”. It honestly seemed in that storyline no matter what you did, people got very, very angry at you.

Still, there are a number of Kodan around that treat EVERYBODY but Kodan as lesser beings incapable of understanding their views. Some are nice, some are neutral, but there are a good bit it seems that just are judgemental. Zephyrites on the other hand, don’t show such behaviours at all, are much more friendly across the board and are openly willing to consider allowing people to join their travels and learn their ways.

Dondarrion.2748:

Shiren.9532:

I’m also curious as to why there are no tengu Zaephyrites. We’ve seen sylvari, norn, asuran and primarily human zephyrites, but no tengu? It just kinda seemed like a race that valued trade so much would have some involvement in these two trading bodies. This is one time I hope the game is just not showing us the tengu and they are actually on one of the ships we don’t see, but when the time comes, tengu do show up at the Bazaar (there’s always next time, we really need some tengu characters in this story, even if the game isn’t ready to go beyond the wall, I wouldn’t mind meeting a female tengu).

Have we? I was running through the Labyrinthine Cliffs yesterday and after a while I was noting that all Zephyrites or Strangers were all human. Sure, there’s some named NPCs of the various races aboard the Zephyr Sanctum, but I don’t think they’re Zephyrites and instead just festival attendees.

So, I was wondering if the Zephyrites are all-human? Just curious.

There are some NPCs named “Zephyrite” that are norn and sylvari. Not sure about asura, but there’s 1 sylvari and 3 or so norn “Zephyrite”.

Note that Strangers are not Zephyrites (and they come in all major races but sylvari – human, charr, norn, and asura) – they’re either the inhabitants of Labyrinthine Cliffs and/or attendees at the Bazaar.

Kalavier.1097:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

A relic corrupted by Jormag, Kalavier. Context is important.

Yes, and that’s why I said “One of my early experiances”. It honestly seemed in that storyline no matter what you did, people got very, very angry at you.

Still, there are a number of Kodan around that treat EVERYBODY but Kodan as lesser beings incapable of understanding their views. Some are nice, some are neutral, but there are a good bit it seems that just are judgemental. Zephyrites on the other hand, don’t show such behaviours at all, are much more friendly across the board and are openly willing to consider allowing people to join their travels and learn their ways.

The Kodan actually hold you in high regard if you decide to destroy the horn. Of course, the horn is destroyed either way.

I haven’t seen many “that just are judgmental”, honestly. Most seem to try to teach, or think you’re not yet ready for teaching, but I don’t think that’s being judgmental or mean, as it isn’t a “you can’t understand” but more of a “the time is not right” – how I take it, at least. Yes, there are some that are judgmental, but far from a lot.

Dondarrion.2748:

Shiren.9532:

I’m also curious as to why there are no tengu Zaephyrites. We’ve seen sylvari, norn, asuran and primarily human zephyrites, but no tengu? It just kinda seemed like a race that valued trade so much would have some involvement in these two trading bodies. This is one time I hope the game is just not showing us the tengu and they are actually on one of the ships we don’t see, but when the time comes, tengu do show up at the Bazaar (there’s always next time, we really need some tengu characters in this story, even if the game isn’t ready to go beyond the wall, I wouldn’t mind meeting a female tengu).

Have we? I was running through the Labyrinthine Cliffs yesterday and after a while I was noting that all Zephyrites or Strangers were all human. Sure, there’s some named NPCs of the various races aboard the Zephyr Sanctum, but I don’t think they’re Zephyrites and instead just festival attendees.

So, I was wondering if the Zephyrites are all-human? Just curious.

Theres some ambient NPC dialogue on board of Zephyr Sanctum where a Sylvari named Aerin is joining the Zephyrites.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Kalavier.1097:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

A relic corrupted by Jormag, Kalavier. Context is important.

Yes, and that’s why I said “One of my early experiances”. It honestly seemed in that storyline no matter what you did, people got very, very angry at you.

Still, there are a number of Kodan around that treat EVERYBODY but Kodan as lesser beings incapable of understanding their views. Some are nice, some are neutral, but there are a good bit it seems that just are judgemental. Zephyrites on the other hand, don’t show such behaviours at all, are much more friendly across the board and are openly willing to consider allowing people to join their travels and learn their ways.

The Kodan actually hold you in high regard if you decide to destroy the horn. Of course, the horn is destroyed either way.

I haven’t seen many “that just are judgmental”, honestly. Most seem to try to teach, or think you’re not yet ready for teaching, but I don’t think that’s being judgmental or mean, as it isn’t a “you can’t understand” but more of a “the time is not right” – how I take it, at least. Yes, there are some that are judgmental, but far from a lot.

And if previous missions in that set are an indication, Eir would be mad at you for it. :P.

As noted, it may have colored my viewpoint, but I recall seeing more neutral/not as nice Kodan then the nice ones. I’m talking about the ones who treat you as a lesser being/stupid person incapable of understanding their ways (as the not as nice), to those who try but not really as neutral.

Eir doesn’t get mad at you, iirc. She disagrees and doesn’t help, but she isn’t mad. Closest to mad she is would be Rytlock about Logan after CoF – disagrees, doesn’t like it, but not upset at Logan (anymore).

Dondarrion.2748:

Shiren.9532:

I’m also curious as to why there are no tengu Zaephyrites. We’ve seen sylvari, norn, asuran and primarily human zephyrites, but no tengu? It just kinda seemed like a race that valued trade so much would have some involvement in these two trading bodies. This is one time I hope the game is just not showing us the tengu and they are actually on one of the ships we don’t see, but when the time comes, tengu do show up at the Bazaar (there’s always next time, we really need some tengu characters in this story, even if the game isn’t ready to go beyond the wall, I wouldn’t mind meeting a female tengu).

Have we? I was running through the Labyrinthine Cliffs yesterday and after a while I was noting that all Zephyrites or Strangers were all human. Sure, there’s some named NPCs of the various races aboard the Zephyr Sanctum, but I don’t think they’re Zephyrites and instead just festival attendees.

So, I was wondering if the Zephyrites are all-human? Just curious.

Konig is right, I had assumed I had seen asura Zephyrites after seeing the sylvari Zephyrite (not just Trader Aerin who was around last time but wasn’t able to join, this time he does get to board) but after glancing through the Zephyr Sanctum again (and climbing down the Bazaar) there appears to be no asura and no charr Zephyrites. There are asura and char on board the ship but none of them are Zephyrites.

Maybe it’s an ideology thing? The asura are all interested in “how it works” and the charr comment on engineering (stereotypes of both their races I guess) so maybe the Zephyrites didn’t welcome them because they don’t fit the ideology of the Zephyrites. The Zephyrites don’t seem trusting of outsiders and the people they welcome into their fold seem to be ones who are like them, not ones who wish to study them.

Interesting to note the Labyrinthine Cliffs uses several different names to indicate generic NPCs.

Zephyrite – mostly found on the Zephyr Sanctum (the big airship at the top). These guys are self explanatory.
Stranger – mostly found in the bazaar. These NPCs seems to represent characters like the players, travellers who are visiting the bazaar.
Citizen – I’m guessing these people live at the bazaar year round.
“Various” Merchants – Traders who set up stalls to sell their goods at the Bazaar. Some have names, some don’t. I think they represent Zephyrites, merchants from the lands we come from, possibly even merchants from other parts of Tyria.
Soldier – almost exclusively charr (possibly only charr).

I think the “no charr Zephyrites” come from how warlike the race is – none are really peaceful enough to be interested in becoming a Zephyrite, let alone be accepted amongst them. While the asura have a tendency to mess with things they don’t understand but want to, and the Zephyrites don’t want their magics messed with (for good reasons).

There might also be a spirituality aspect to it. It’s not clear whether or not the Zephyrites follow the human gods, and it’s probably not something they see as important to their mandate (they certainly wouldn’t consider it to be incompatible, given the links between Glint and the gods, but I don’t think they’d require it either). However, the norn and sylvari both have life philosophies that are compatible with the idea of becoming one with, and/or living in harmony with the world around them, while charr and asura are both more inclined to assert domination over it (albeit in different ways). That might be a reason why charr and asura are less compatible with the Zephyrites.

Maybe it’s just pattern again. With Norn, Human and Sylvari we only have human shaped races among the Zephyrites (and I think this might be important without knowing why).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Dondarrion.2748:

Have we? I was running through the Labyrinthine Cliffs yesterday and after a while I was noting that all Zephyrites or Strangers were all human. Sure, there’s some named NPCs of the various races aboard the Zephyr Sanctum, but I don’t think they’re Zephyrites and instead just festival attendees.

So, I was wondering if the Zephyrites are all-human? Just curious.

There are some NPCs named “Zephyrite” that are norn and sylvari. Not sure about asura, but there’s 1 sylvari and 3 or so norn “Zephyrite”.

Note that Strangers are not Zephyrites (and they come in all major races but sylvari – human, charr, norn, and asura) – they’re either the inhabitants of Labyrinthine Cliffs and/or attendees at the Bazaar.

Thanks for the clarification. I checked on the wiki too where it said primarily made up of humans of Canthan/Elonian descent, so I must’ve just missed those non-human Zephyrite NPCs this time around.

Horst Hortensie.5420:

Maybe it’s just pattern again. With Norn, Human and Sylvari we only have human shaped races among the Zephyrites (and I think this might be important without knowing why).

I think it’s more likely to be the coincidence that those are the races that have the right mindset. Of the races, sylvari and norn are the ones most inclined towards living in harmony with their environment, asura and charr are the most inclined to wrest control over it, and humans sit somewhere in the middle. Odds are the Zephyrites are screening on a basis that screens out a lot of humans, so races that are more control-oriented than humans are probably not going to be seen as suitable as a rule. (There may be the odd exception, but currently it seems that all nonhumans are a distinct minority among the Zephyrites – I think there’s one or two each of norn and sylvari and that’s it.)