Guild Wars 2

This trait is so OP in wvw. This thief outnumbered 8 guys just by useing this with the Shadow’s Embrace (condi removal in stealth). These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it. Wvw is full of those thiefs and it makes it really umbalanced. I heard a guy saying yeah but if you have skill you can kill those thiefs. The only guys I seen killing those thiefs are other thiefs with the same build. Condi builds and berserker builds are useless against them. So what works? Thiefs with the same build. I hear countless people say that thief is just the best class for pvp/wvw. Where is the fun if you can t just do anything against them and get killed.

I don t call these thiefs skilled , I just call it cheap.

this thread plz
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Thief-Black-Powder/first#post3514266

I completely agree on this, we tried to face a thief like this with three people: the battle lasted for about 8 minutes and in the end the thief only lost about 20-30% of his total health only by stealthing and healing…

you can still hit them in stealth, you know
hint: thief has limited ability to teleport to places that aren’t directly on top of you. meaning they’re going to be walking. also the conditions take time to be removed. it’s only one at a time, so if you’re bad at hitting them in stealth, just apply lots of different conditions while they’re visible. ideally immobilize covered by several others

I think you mean the rate with which they can go into stealth.

the posted thread is centered around the source… d/p

Stealth by using x/d or otherwise stealing stealth by nearby thiefs/some rangerpets
or using blind powder/shadow refuge/shadow trap/hide in shadows- same number of stealth utitlies the mesmer has acces to

lol I like how the OP sells the thread as PvX you look at the trait brought up and it’s clear this isn’t PvX. This is WvW only sooo OP has a problem that he can’t kill something that is designed to be able to chose when and where to fight.

SoulArcanium.5047:

‘thief outnumbered 8 guys’

Stopped reading there. L2p issue

Lol. That comment made me laugh as well. If one player beat 8 others at once, those 8 must be horrible.

8 people allowed a Thief to kill them all? Then all 8 of them are so unbelievably terrible at the game that they should just, I don’t know, sit down and think about how they even allowed a situation that should be physically impossible happen.

Really, this cannot be a serious thread. Well, to be fair, I can never take a thread seriously if the OP says “thiefs”. If there were any serious concerns about SR, they don’t exist in this thread.

I main a thief, and people always complain about Assassin’s Reward not being on par with SR, but in all honesty SR is way too powerful.

Auesis.7301:

8 people allowed a Thief to kill them all? Then all 8 of them are so unbelievably terrible at the game that they should just, I don’t know, sit down and think about how they even allowed a situation that should be physically impossible happen.

Really, this cannot be a serious thread. Well, to be fair, I can never take a thread seriously if the OP says “thiefs”. If there were any serious concerns about SR, they don’t exist in this thread.

style.6173:

SoulArcanium.5047:

‘thief outnumbered 8 guys’

Stopped reading there. L2p issue

Lol. That comment made me laugh as well. If one player beat 8 others at once, those 8 must be horrible.

I will explain: we were walking to SM at that time. We had 1 underlvld dude I believe. The thief player backstabbed a lvl 80 (war) for almost half of his health. Our group imidiatly responded on that. I as necro put marks around us, the ranger used entrangle , dunno what the others really did, but they stayed with us. (I had contact with the ranger trough Skype). We thought we hit the thief for much. But he just came out of stealth with his health full. after that the group attacked again. I remember the war useing that number 3 GS skill (sry don t know how it is called) at the thief (somehow thief makes him downed). Thief goes into stealth again. ( I said alright he only has 1 stealth utility over and that is refugee (almost all of these thiefs use refugee)). So our mesmer guildy (condi) comes with us. That made us 8. I said to the mesmer (which came on Skype too) alright put chaos storm in the refugee if he goes stealth (that was quite helpfull last time we fought against one of those). So the thief became unstealthed again (again with full health and no condis) So I fear the thief , our group imidiatly start attacking the guy. The guy puts a shadow refugee (like I had anticipated) , mesmer puts chaos storm up at the area of refugee . I said he is deff down. But he came back with full health + no condi s. My ranger buddy said the thief was hacking. He was just messing around with the group. after that he downed our underlvld guy (our bad we didn t res the guy and the guy dies). After that he just used the same skills over and over again (D5 I believe + blinding powder). He started downing alot of our char (I was the only one which was ressing but he finished quite quickly in stealth (so our bad again). After some time (15 minutes orso) he had killed 4 dudes and we were kited in a small part of EB (our bad again). ( I thought those dudes come back (because it is our low lands and they want revenge , but nobody came back). So we were with 4 he uses the same tricks over and over again. We had a guard , ranger , mesmer and necro. I said to the ranger and mesmer (stand in my marks if he wants to come to use he has to trigger them and we will dodge after the trigger), Sadly the guard followed him to Hylek , guard was downed quick (mayble we should have followed him , but the hylek were from the thiefs team). So it was 1 v 3. As I anticipated the thief triggered my (renewed) mark we dodge and mesmer puts on chaos field at the place were my mark was. The thief becomes visble again gets 2 good hits on the ranger. Ranger pops heal , he pops ranger steal (in inv) (I know he used combo water with dagger 2). He gets 2 hits again on ranger. Ranger gets downed mesmer follows thief I res ranger. Ranger is ressed. He starts jamming of our mesmer , I say run back! Too late he downed him, we try to save mesmer but mesmer gets finished. So we are with 2, I said to the mesmer run back! , He goes full on ranger , ranger I fear him away try to res ranger but he fears me away with his steal. He finishes ranger, but was quite low thx to terror. I imidiatly go full on him get him in stealh with DS 2, I thought now I have him. He came out of stealth not full so I started trowing everything at him (even corrupt boon (he had vigor and might)), so he started dodgeing alot and returns in stealth thx to a drake. After that he stuns me comes back with full health + no condis, he gets some big hits of. I use DS (gives him weakness), Ds somehow gets destroyed very quickly, I tried useing my heal skill , but he downed me and went back in stealth for the finish.

I am sorry if this story is quite confusing, I am not that good in English.

The bads from our group were, we didn t res and we got kited.

I hope you people now understand. The heal on SR is just too big. And sry if I made this comment so big XD.

[Edit] The PvX means that thiefs use these builds to solo explo dungeons. And tbh solo’ing explo dungeons is quite strange. I have the feeling that it should not be possible. (But I won t go further in this, becuase there are alot of other treats which say that solo ing dungeons should get a change and almost all of these treats are closed because a fight between some people ^^)

If you were 8 and the thief used shadow refuge you should have won the fight immediately.
Bombard the circle with aoe or kick the thief out of it with skills like illusionary wave, staggering blow, stomp or fear.

Dark FQ.1038:

These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it.

It is called Hide in Shadows, not Shadows Rejuvenation. Its the #6 heal. Its on a 30s cooldown. It got a 1s casttime and a highly telegraphed animation. Feel free to interrupt it like almost every other heal #6 skill.

Shadows Rejuvenation is 300 hps, so in order to regenerate half health a thief must stay ~25s in stealth. O_o

So please get your facts right, then come back.

style.6173:

SoulArcanium.5047:

‘thief outnumbered 8 guys’

Stopped reading there. L2p issue

Lol. That comment made me laugh as well. If one player beat 8 others at once, those 8 must be horrible.

I agree, this is a L2P issue.

Try to play a Thief and see how they do it for yourself, you will learn a lot(and really a lot) about countering Thieves.

I dont see a Thief ever killing any group of at least 3 ‘good’ players. The important word here is ‘good’.
The reason is simple: F Revive.
You have to consider that one of your allies is likely to be downed against a good Thief. Then, two options open:
1. The Thief keeps hitting the downed player. In this case, you use F to Revive.
2. The Thief Stealths and tries to use Finish. Thieves do not carry Stability. If a Thief ever uses Stealth while your ally is downed, you can tell they are going to move to that downed ally for F Finish. If the Thief is not going there then you get a free Revive on that ally, making the Thief have to restart over. Where is the Stealthed Thief? Above your downed ally.
You have multiple options for every class to deal with this, from small traits to big CC.
Guardian: Resolute Healer alone can stop the Thief from F Finishing your ally simply by touching the downed ally. Shield of Absorption, Ring of Warding, Binding Blade…the list is long.
Ele: Updraft can kick the Thief away, by the time the Thief comes back, their Stealth is either over, or you have revived that downed ally. Earthquake also works. Any form of damaging AoE around that downed ally will probably make the Thief stop the F Finisher to run away and heal, or they will die too.
Thief: Merciful Ambush stops the enemy Thief from Stealth Finishing off someone. Your downed ally probably wont get Revealed by hitting that Thief since the Thief is Stealthed.
Mesmer: Illusionary Wave. This is really the easiest skill to use, ever. You also have Temporal Curtain, which pulls the Thief to a known location.
Warrior: Hundred Blades over the downed ally, it just works. A full-hit Hundred Blades is enough to kill the Thief from full HP. Warbanner is also good.
Ranger: Delete your character and make a different profession.

You know the reason the thief healed THAT much in stealth? Well it’s because he was full glass canon and has practically NO health at all. Of course it’s easy to heal that tiny health pool

Wow just wow … 8 people killed by single thief. Even if you are terrible you can just keep hard ressing each other (although thief shouldn’t even be able to stomp anyone 1×8:D ) over and over and he cant do jack squat about it. Upgrade your blue gears and l2p.

I swear, even though I like to fight outnumbered against Zergers (because any decent group of roamers know how to counter thieves), I have never, EVER, managed to win a 1v8.
Those guys must be absolutely terrible at this game, or they were all upleveleds, or they bought the game yesterday (so high chance of being uplvld).

Karolis.4261:

Wow just wow … 8 people killed by single thief. Even if you are terrible you can just keep hard ressing each other (although thief shouldn’t even be able to stomp anyone 1×8:D ) over and over and he cant do jack squat about it. Upgrade your blue gears and l2p.

hihey.1075:

I swear, even though I like to fight outnumbered against Zergers (because any decent group of roamers know how to counter thieves), I have never, EVER, managed to win a 1v8.
Those guys must be absolutely terrible at this game, or they were all upleveleds, or they bought the game yesterday (so high chance of being uplvld).

teg.1340:

Dark FQ.1038:

These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it.

It is called Hide in Shadows, not Shadows Rejuvenation. Its the #6 heal. Its on a 30s cooldown. It got a 1s casttime and a highly telegraphed animation. Feel free to interrupt it like almost every other heal #6 skill.

Shadows Rejuvenation is 300 hps, so in order to regenerate half health a thief must stay ~25s in stealth. O_o

So please get your facts right, then come back.

Nope I already asked to a thief from my own server. He uses SR aswell with healing power stuff. This way he heals alot with the heal indeed,but he also gets heal with BP and SRef aswell. After that D5 gives him heal too. As I already said the people around me didn t res the downed. Only I did res. I played as a thief but not as these kind of thiefs. Condi thiefs are not the biggest problem , because of condi removal. But these thiefs run some kind of strange armor I don t really understand the use off.. (my thief runs berserker). And clearly people didn t read my last message…..

Also the mesmer and I nuked the SR full with our AOE attacks (he chaos storms I trow all my marks on him) (we both run condi). Plz tell me what I did wrong, because clearly you guys call me a noob. But I’ve never lost such a fight against 1 prof. And believe me or not (because you clearly do not) I’ve seen this guy come out of stealth with a hack ton of health.

plz tell me, how this could have happend without calling me/us a noob. I am sure that our war, mesmer , ranger ,guardian and I are 80. Tell me without saying no this can t be etc. etc. Some of you guys clearly have no idea what happend (even I made a long post).

I do not main a thief, but I made a point of levelling one to 80, I slapped on some zerker gear and I can guarantee to take over at least over 50% of a targets health before they can even react by pressing Steal->Cloak&Dagger(pre-casting while stealing) then make sure I am around the back/sides.

This does not take much effort at all. SR is extremely powerful, but the real problem is the Hidden Killer trait, you can make an extremely tanky character, that has lots of access to stealth, coupled with SR and they are essentially a tank that you will struggle to target, but with hidden killer, they retain the burst potential they honestly should not have.

I will point out that not all classes have a lot of skills/weapons that can hit someone untargeted very effectively (which is necessary when someone in stealthed, since you can’t target a stealthed character).

The aspect of this that is frustrating is stealth and how using your initiative effectively means blipping in and out of stealth fairly rapidly. I have seen a thief keep an inordinate amount of players busy for a time, even manage to kill unsuspecting ones that are still learning how backstab works (hint: thieves that stealth are probably going to be trying to backstab you .. keep moving).

Stealth gives all the advantages that it gives, but the major advantage that is not particularly accounted for when we talk about balance is that for human players it loses the targeting. Targeting in this game is not very fluid to begin with .. and while the AI picks up the target instantaneously, we do not and have to deal with the clunky targeting mechanics.

We could just automatically target a stealth player once they come out of stealth, if you had he/she targeted previously. I think that would fix a lot of heartache out there when facing thieves and PU mesmers.

Dunno about wvw but if a thief uses shadow refuge in pvp for defense (instead of rezzing) than it is ALWAYS game over. Bombard the refuge with aoe = dead thief.

Loco.4561:

I do not main a thief, but I made a point of levelling one to 80, I slapped on some zerker gear and I can guarantee to take over at least over 50% of a targets health before they can even react by pressing Steal->Cloak&Dagger(pre-casting while stealing) then make sure I am around the back/sides.

This does not take much effort at all. SR is extremely powerful, but the real problem is the Hidden Killer trait, you can make an extremely tanky character, that has lots of access to stealth, coupled with SR and they are essentially a tank that you will struggle to target, but with hidden killer, they retain the burst potential they honestly should not have.

HK is fine. If you gear defensively you’ll deal less damage on the non-backstabs (and in the case of non-power main stat the backstab itself as well). The most you could do with HK and keep your power up would be to use partial valk… and then your non-stealth attacks still suffer a bit. It’s not as if people can just go full cav+valk with hk and be tanky and not hit like a wet noodle outside of stealth.

Backstabs are easy to land on inexperienced players but that drops dramatically when fighting a more experienced player. It’s a very predictable attack.

I think the problem is not Shadow’s rejuvenation itself but the amount of stealth thieves can easily get. This combined with Shadow’s rejuvenation and in 99% of the cases Shadow’s Embrace as well, makes thieves extremely hard to kill. As pointed out previously not all classes can easily apply aoe damage and thus depend on having a target to deal damage, say you apply an immobilize to finish off a thief in low health, the thief can simply CnD, this will remove the immobilize and let them heal back up with Shadow’s Rejuvenation. I think these two traits are a broken mechanic given the amount of stealth available to thieves. So much condition removal and healing just from being stealthed where they are almost invulnerable is just zero risk and full reward.

If we compare this to for example Healing Signet on warriors (which people have also complained about) you can see the problem.
HS is always active, a warrior can be blocking or using endure pain and this will heal them. Now SR isn’t always active but it can be active for as long a thief wants it to be and not only will they heal for nearly the same amount as HS but it wil also remove conditions with Shadow’s Embrace.
Furthermore a warrior running healing signet is still vulnerable to all damage sources, a warrior using SR is already invulnerable to everything apart from the odd aoe damage that hits them, even if u managed to lay good condition damage simply entering stealth will clean these conditions. HS has absolutely zero condition cleaning .

@onebloke
Your post doesn’t count because you implied stealth=invuln. You also implied that warriors are more susceptible to condi than thieves.

Anyway. So you want to nerf SR? Nerf it or remove it?
Are you all aware that thieves have very very minor access to defensive boons? We have no blocks and no protection, and without this trait very little sustain.

OneBloke.7264:

I think the problem is not Shadow’s rejuvenation itself but the amount of stealth thieves can easily get. This combined with Shadow’s rejuvenation and in 99% of the cases Shadow’s Embrace as well, makes thieves extremely hard to kill. As pointed out previously not all classes can easily apply aoe damage and thus depend on having a target to deal damage, say you apply an immobilize to finish off a thief in low health, the thief can simply CnD, this will remove the immobilize and let them heal back up with Shadow’s Rejuvenation. I think these two traits are a broken mechanic given the amount of stealth available to thieves. So much condition removal and healing just from being stealthed where they are almost invulnerable is just zero risk and full reward.

If we compare this to for example Healing Signet on warriors (which people have also complained about) you can see the problem.
HS is always active, a warrior can be blocking or using endure pain and this will heal them. Now SR isn’t always active but it can be active for as long a thief wants it to be and not only will they heal for nearly the same amount as HS but it wil also remove conditions with Shadow’s Embrace.
Furthermore a warrior running healing signet is still vulnerable to all damage sources, a warrior using SR is already invulnerable to everything apart from the odd aoe damage that hits them, even if u managed to lay good condition damage simply entering stealth will clean these conditions. HS has absolutely zero condition cleaning .

You’ve glossed over two major points. One. The HS Warrior is healing, blocking and cleaning while actively CC chaining/mashing your face in. The SR Thief is hiding while your skills come off cooldown.
Two. Cover Conditions can very easily overload Shadow’s Embrace. One condition every three seconds is good, but not incredible.

Can we just cut the chase here and say what we really want…
And that is to be able to press F near a thief and loot which automatically makes the thief disappear/die/logout.

Adding you to the nerf wish list though .

I will explain: we were walking to SM at that time. We had 1 underlvld dude I believe. The thief player backstabbed a lvl 80 (war) for almost half of his health. Our group imidiatly responded on that. I as necro put marks around us, the ranger used entrangle , dunno what the others really did, but they stayed with us. (I had contact with the ranger trough Skype). We thought we hit the thief for much. But he just came out of stealth with his health full. after that the group attacked again. I remember the war useing that number 3 GS skill (sry don t know how it is called) at the thief (somehow thief makes him downed). Thief goes into stealth again. ( I said alright he only has 1 stealth utility over and that is refugee (almost all of these thiefs use refugee)). So our mesmer guildy (condi) comes with us. That made us 8. I said to the mesmer (which came on Skype too) alright put chaos storm in the refugee if he goes stealth (that was quite helpfull last time we fought against one of those). So the thief became unstealthed again (again with full health and no condis) So I fear the thief , our group imidiatly start attacking the guy. The guy puts a shadow refugee (like I had anticipated) , mesmer puts chaos storm up at the area of refugee . I said he is deff down. But he came back with full health + no condi s. My ranger buddy said the thief was hacking. He was just messing around with the group. after that he downed our underlvld guy (our bad we didn t res the guy and the guy dies). After that he just used the same skills over and over again (D5 I believe + blinding powder). He started downing alot of our char (I was the only one which was ressing but he finished quite quickly in stealth (so our bad again). After some time (15 minutes orso) he had killed 4 dudes and we were kited in a small part of EB (our bad again). ( I thought those dudes come back (because it is our low lands and they want revenge , but nobody came back). So we were with 4 he uses the same tricks over and over again. We had a guard , ranger , mesmer and necro. I said to the ranger and mesmer (stand in my marks if he wants to come to use he has to trigger them and we will dodge after the trigger), Sadly the guard followed him to Hylek , guard was downed quick (mayble we should have followed him , but the hylek were from the thiefs team). So it was 1 v 3. As I anticipated the thief triggered my (renewed) mark we dodge and mesmer puts on chaos field at the place were my mark was. The thief becomes visble again gets 2 good hits on the ranger. Ranger pops heal , he pops ranger steal (in inv) (I know he used combo water with dagger 2). He gets 2 hits again on ranger. Ranger gets downed mesmer follows thief I res ranger. Ranger is ressed. He starts jamming of our mesmer , I say run back! Too late he downed him, we try to save mesmer but mesmer gets finished. So we are with 2, I said to the mesmer run back! , He goes full on ranger , ranger I fear him away try to res ranger but he fears me away with his steal. He finishes ranger, but was quite low thx to terror. I imidiatly go full on him get him in stealh with DS 2, I thought now I have him. He came out of stealth not full so I started trowing everything at him (even corrupt boon (he had vigor and might)), so he started dodgeing alot and returns in stealth thx to a drake. After that he stuns me comes back with full health + no condis, he gets some big hits of. I use DS (gives him weakness), Ds somehow gets destroyed very quickly, I tried useing my heal skill , but he downed me and went back in stealth for the finish.

Lol, i say kudos to the thief that managed to kill 8 players because, even though all of you were obviously terrible, killing 8 players requires alot of skill . You guys are terrible players that need to learn to play because if a thief can kill 8 of you, your terrible and should leave WvW or, next time you see a thief, just forget about him/her and keep going. A warrior healing signet heals for more than Shadows rejuvenation and doesn’t require ANY investment and is active all the time [unless warrior heals]. So stop whining.

Also, if the thief back-stabbed the warrior for half his health, then you are saying he hit an approx 15k backstab, which is insanely high. That warrior is terrible as warriors are so tanky at this point in time and should NOT be getting hit for that. L2P issue for everyone here.

It’s called saving your big AoE and cleave attacks for when they cast Shadow Refuge. When you see that, dump an AoE duce on top of it, or better yet use a knockback skill to push them out of it.

Xenon.4537:

It’s called saving your big AoE and cleave attacks for when they cast Shadow Refuge. When you see that, dump an AoE duce on top of it, or better yet use a knockback skill to push them out of it.

Clearly that doesn’t work because they don’t see the thief…. -.-’ are you dumb?

(Sarcasm)

I always wanted to see a thief drop SR to destract the enermy while they walk off in the other direction, or better yet BS them while they are trying to AoE the SR.

Oneday I’ll see it.. it will be amusing.

I have to say, it 1v1s I have never found AoEing SR very effective anyway. A good knockback like iWave is great, but using all your big attacks to try down them? Unless they were very weak to begin with the chances of you actually downing them are very slim and you’ll just waste your big attacks, because even if you do hit them for big damage they simply will disengage with the super long stealth they just got.

No.. I’d rather have my big hits for when I know I can land them.

Dear OP, if you were able to kill 8 people they were either very horrible or they let you kill them.

It does not mean that SR is OP.

if that trait is so broken how come nobody uses it in pvp?

i have yet to see 1 thief soloing 8 people

from the story i saw your issues were:
- you had uplv, sry it is nothing more but punching bag
- if thief backstabbed war for half of his health than that war was prolly zerker, such dmg is to be expected then
- you all spammed aoe at once which really didn’t help as thief could have just shadowstep or just walk out of it and watch you waste aoe
- marks put condis, so does entangle, SA thieves can cleanse conditions so you actually didn’t do any dmg hence why he had full HP
- so in that time warrior didn’t even bother to get his HP back nor try to defend himself even thought he already backstabbed for 50%… since it was obvious that thief was going for war, he should have been more defensive and bait out thief
- by this time thief got at least 2 backstabs off, so it means he was sitting out of stealth for quite some time now…. what did you do to dmg him in those time frames outside of spamming marks?
- chaos storm doesn’t kill anyone it just puts condis on person and dazes him, since he was in stealth those applied conditions didn’t really do much outside of minor dmg; why would you assume he is dead?
- so basically he killed you all or at least bunch of you with CnD, the question is why did nobody try to dodge that?
- also you made major mistake, you actually bothered rezzing ppl… if thief went for tomp, it means he is in range of body, yes he can use shs for that but it is long CD, if he actually wasted it for stomp he doesn’t have any stun breakers; what you could have done is to daze/fear him while his was stomping ppl… also spamming direct dmg aoe really helps
- guard died to hylek really, idk what it has to do with thief himself tbh
- why do you randomly drop chaos field, you should use it when he gets backstab off and revealed debuff is almost down
- when thief was revealed it was good time to use CCs…why didn’t ranger use his roots?
- why is mesmer following alone thief when D/D thieves get free stealth off mesmers thanks to clones?

From this moment on, everyone must use SR!
This will give you the chance to kill 8 people by yourself (hidden effect of the trait, possibly a bug).

Are you kidding me? It’s a grand master trait and it heals less than warrior’s healing sig, do you know how much we have to invest in this just to heal a little over 300 hp? This trait only works in stealth, if they are in stealth they can’t hit you giving you time to prepare for the thief’s next attack. if the thief could beat 8 people at once, those 8 people should not be playing this game, they should not be playing any game at all.

Dark FQ.1038:

Karolis.4261:

Wow just wow … 8 people killed by single thief. Even if you are terrible you can just keep hard ressing each other (although thief shouldn’t even be able to stomp anyone 1×8:D ) over and over and he cant do jack squat about it. Upgrade your blue gears and l2p.

hihey.1075:

I swear, even though I like to fight outnumbered against Zergers (because any decent group of roamers know how to counter thieves), I have never, EVER, managed to win a 1v8.
Those guys must be absolutely terrible at this game, or they were all upleveleds, or they bought the game yesterday (so high chance of being uplvld).

teg.1340:

Dark FQ.1038:

These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it.

It is called Hide in Shadows, not Shadows Rejuvenation. Its the #6 heal. Its on a 30s cooldown. It got a 1s casttime and a highly telegraphed animation. Feel free to interrupt it like almost every other heal #6 skill.

Shadows Rejuvenation is 300 hps, so in order to regenerate half health a thief must stay ~25s in stealth. O_o

So please get your facts right, then come back.

Nope I already asked to a thief from my own server. He uses SR aswell with healing power stuff. This way he heals alot with the heal indeed,but he also gets heal with BP and SRef aswell. After that D5 gives him heal too. As I already said the people around me didn t res the downed. Only I did res. I played as a thief but not as these kind of thiefs. Condi thiefs are not the biggest problem , because of condi removal. But these thiefs run some kind of strange armor I don t really understand the use off.. (my thief runs berserker). And clearly people didn t read my last message…..

Also the mesmer and I nuked the SR full with our AOE attacks (he chaos storms I trow all my marks on him) (we both run condi). Plz tell me what I did wrong, because clearly you guys call me a noob. But I’ve never lost such a fight against 1 prof. And believe me or not (because you clearly do not) I’ve seen this guy come out of stealth with a hack ton of health.

plz tell me, how this could have happend without calling me/us a noob. I am sure that our war, mesmer , ranger ,guardian and I are 80. Tell me without saying no this can t be etc. etc. Some of you guys clearly have no idea what happend (even I made a long post).

So let me understand the situation. You were attacked by full stealth backstab d/d thief. I would gues thats 0/30/30/10/0 or 10/30/30/0/0 build. He was doing “mass damage” <—— i figure that means he was doing high damage, so i gues he had hidden killer trait and was critting every backstab with his maxed out crit damage and power. So far so good, kinda. He was rejuvenating A LOT health using trait shadow rejuvenation because he was stacking lots of healing power from his gear, like that friendly thief from your server. He used Shadow refuge and BP utillities (blinding powder i gues? not black power, since he used d/d u say). Allso D5 (dagger 5 skill? ) used to give him heals too, that sounds like assassins reward – acrobatics tree 20 trait. So we are looking here at thief with maxed out healing power, maxed out power and crit power to do all that “mass damage” with at least 80 trait points cause from what information i have managed to gather from your stories he uses 0/30/30/20/0 build, cause he needs to reach that awesome assassins reward (acro 20). Why the hell didnt I think of such build for myself sooner. Respecing.