Guild Wars 2

First of all… Great job with the elementalist class a-net.
Elementalist has always been my main class but it feels more like alt only useable for crafting, as it is utter carbage compared to any other class. They are weak, to output any accountable damage you need 120% of perfect timing and managing while being completely defenseless, and still you only hit as hard as armless granny flailing her sleeves. After I tried warrior it was like whole another game. I could actually control my character in combat while actually doing damage to the enemies.

As elemetalist I can either try to play actively (as this game is supposed to be action based I have hear) and try to dodge enemies and move and position myself on the battlefield, waiting for that one hit to get through to me and instantly kitten my character… or try to damage the enemy where I vainly attempt to do so while almost literally begging the enemy to kitten me as even the slightiest mistake can ruin my damage and cause my death.

I’m not saying their damage is bad, but the whole class is like it’s not meant to be enjoyed while playing as it. The skills couldn’t possibly be any more impractical.

For example the Dragon’s tooth on scepter. You need to some how hold the enemy still under where the skill was cast as it takes long time before the skill actually hits (which is way too long for an action based game) and it doesn’t hit if the enemy moves away from it. Sure you could use another skill to immobilize the enemy but that means you would have to use 2 skills in order to make that one skill hit for it’s damage which other classes can do with 1 skill without requiring almost no effort in getting the damage through. And the damage it does when it hits isn’t worth the effort as other classes can dish out as much damage without nearly as much effort. Well you could get the skill hit without other skills if you stood still under the where the skill was cast but then conveniently as elementalists have the worst armor and health you are dead before the skill would hit.

The whole class just still feels like, no thought what-so-ever was put in making this class. The class is supposed to be more difficult to play than the other classes. But it’s just that the class is so impractical and furstrating that nobody actually enjoys playing the game as elementalist. Like with the warrior, the skills should help me in combat, not having to put all my effort just to even use my skills as they are ""intended"".

L2p.

Perhaps a class as complex as the elementalist just isnt for you. You should stick with warrior!! you seem to enjoy it.

I think Elementalist has a higher skill floor than other classes—with the exception of Engineer—but I don’t think it’s impossibly hard.

Are you having troubles in PvE, or PvP? This sounds more like PvP-focused anger, since that format requires faster reflexes and combos to be successful.

Fishbones.6914:

Perhaps a class as complex as the elementalist just isnt for you. You should stick with warrior!! you seem to enjoy it.

Complex my kitten It’s utter kitten.

you can’t even do the “nightmare unveiled” solo instance as elementalist

I have level’d quite a few alts to 80 with the intention of making them my main but always go back to ele. they are to much fun!

Bagi.8530:

you can’t even do the “nightmare unveiled” solo instance as elementalist

I did it solo on my Elementalist in one try, although it was annoying. Rezzing the NPCs helps if you’re struggling.

Imagi.4561:

Bagi.8530:

you can’t even do the “nightmare unveiled” solo instance as elementalist

I did it solo on my Elementalist in one try, although it was annoying. Rezzing the NPCs helps if you’re struggling.

Same. Pick your fights, stack your boons and be careful with your Water CDs.

Bagi.8530:

Elementalist is the worst class

Bagi.8530:

First of all… Great job with the elementalist class a-net.

ranger is worst class. Ele is close to being good but we will see.

Bagi.8530:

you can’t even do the “nightmare unveiled” solo instance as elementalist

God, you have to be kidding me, right? I steam rolled that kitten. You should steam roll it. All they do is put a bunch of condi’s on you, shake it off with ER and you good.

FrownyClown.8402:

ranger is worst class. Ele is close to being good but we will see.

I usually enjoy your downbeat or confrontational posts, but how about we not let class politics cloud the discussions until after December 10th, huh? I save Ranger for the times I want to reap the most bags in WvW. It’s an incredibly strong class. I feel loads better when Ele becomes too depressing to play.

Dub.1273:

L2p.

/sticky

For example the Dragon’s tooth on scepter. You need to some how hold the enemy still under where the skill was cast as it takes long time before the skill actually hits

I have the feeling youre talking about pvp/wvw (otherwise it makes no sense), in pvp/wvw you can also simply walk out of the warriors 100bs, and to use this as a effectiv burst a warrior has to use bullcharge + frenzy (3 skills just to make 1 skill effective :O)

elementalist is not fail in wvw….. you should rarely be losing 1v1’s to power builds … perplex engies, dhumfire necros, and condi mesmers however can give you quite a bit of trouble

Fishbones.6914:

elementalist is not fail in wvw….. you should rarely be losing 1v1’s to power builds … perplex engies, dhumfire necros, and condi mesmers however can give you quite a bit of trouble

The only profession that should give you trouble in WvW solo roaming is a good Mesmer player. It doesn’t matter if it is condition based or burst type, if the opponent is skillful he/she will always defeat the Ele easily. It is the only weakness all Ele experience.

you’ve obviously never encountered a good perplex engie or dhumfire necro

Fishbones.6914:

elementalist is not fail in wvw….. you should rarely be losing 1v1’s to power builds … perplex engies, dhumfire necros, and condi mesmers however can give you quite a bit of trouble

The problem is those condi builds are pretty much the only thing anyone solos on these days, except for the perma stealth d/p thieves. I love the class, but it does get frustrating when virtually every fight is desperately trying to deal with one condi dump after another.

dreztina.4820:

Fishbones.6914:

elementalist is not fail in wvw….. you should rarely be losing 1v1’s to power builds … perplex engies, dhumfire necros, and condi mesmers however can give you quite a bit of trouble

The problem is those condi builds are pretty much the only thing anyone solos on these days, except for the perma stealth d/p thieves. I love the class, but it does get frustrating when virtually every fight is desperately trying to deal with one condi dump after another.

Yea I definatley agree… when one burning application can take almost half your health in only a few seconds it can get brutal… good terrain it essential to succeed in some of these fights (especially when outnumbered) and just being cheesy as possible … i dont feel bad molesting walls with FGS against some of the ridiculous builds running around out there …. lets keep our fingers crossed for a good patch!

I agree with you m8. The game style in pvp just doesnt seem right to me. Speaking for scepter dagger athleast some slow and some roll back or something wold be nice to have.. Its not l2p issue it just doesnt feel right while playing to me.. I mean i can prettymuch survive more with my lvl 30 warr or lvl 30 mesmer in wvw.

“I have the feeling youre talking about pvp/wvw (otherwise it makes no sense), in pvp/wvw you can also simply walk out of the warriors 100bs, and to use this as a effectiv burst a warrior has to use bullcharge + frenzy (3 skills just to make 1 skill effective :O”

Theese 3 skills can kill a player while elementalist needs updraft + signet of earth to do the combo wich is even eassier predictable and avoidable to do some kittenty dmg…

Probably an SoS player.

Bagi.8530:

you can’t even do the “nightmare unveiled” solo instance as elementalist

How the hell could you fail that easy mode on ele? O.o
I’m playing 10/30/0/20/10 with zerker gear and valkyrie weapons/trinkets. No problems finishing it. I was even mad that I couldn’t agro more mobs at the end because it was so slow killing them one by one.

Lord of Rings.5371:

after four tries and after learning to rez the warrior NPC for the first part

There was a warrior npc there? O.o

a little tip for Dragon Tooth: you kite mobs under it :P

Or if you’re using a dagger offhand use one of the knockdown/cripple skills right after dragon’s tooth so mobs can’t run away. And it will most likely force you to stay in close anyway due to most of the offhand dagger skills being short range.

The class works in PvP and it’s always an “L2P” issue, but you need approximately 2-3x better skill and timing compared to your opponent or you will get flattened by literally any other class in SPvP.

Elementalist is a PvE/WvW class right now, most of their abilities were designed to fight enemies staying still or moving slow in straight paths. Almost all weapon skills are so massively telegraphed that anyone can see them coming from a mile away. Staff abilities are even funnier, relying largely on creating fields that act mostly as an idiot-test of “I wonder who will sit still in this?”.

All the damage that Ele can do in PvP while frantically running around, expertly landing hits and mashing attunements…I can just as easily do with my rifle autoattack as an Engineer while standing still from 1200 range, watching all my attacks auto-guide themselves to the target.

Elementalist requires a lot of thought, a lot of proactive/reflex-based timing and a ton of skill to pull off with the clunky double-layered cooldown attunements and ANet’s “jack of all trades, master of absolutely nothing” approach.

I do not recommend playing it unless you are interested in an extremely difficult and frustrating learning curve while still performing sub-par to any other class, as you’ve already been told by some of the ele-elitists here.