Guild Wars 2

Zadoris.7015:

I personally am tired of people turning me down, or kicking me from a dungeon ONLY because I’m an Elementalist. It is incredibly frustrating.

pretty much everyone pictures the “perfect group” as pure warriors/guardians. because they hit hard, and are hard to kill.

so what do YOU think? do you think that Elementalists are simply underpowered, useless, or both? Or do you think warriors / heavy armor wearing professions are too overpowered and dominate every other profession in PvE.
Or do you not see an issue?

I don’t want to see people posting “oh you get kicked or not invited cause you suck” cause that’s not it, as they don’t even give a chance, simply see that I’m an elementalist and decide they don’t want me.
Nor do I want to see anyone comparing to PvP, this is STRICTLY about PvE.

I find myself enjoying having an Ele with me in dungeons! The synergies with my Guardian is very nice indeed. CC, Fields, boons and conditions help with my own might stacking, boons and my own close range fighting. D/D or Staff, both work swell.

In fact, I am skilling my Ele just to be able to do dungeons and fractals better than my guardian.

And tbh, quite a few warriors and guardians I meet in dungeons play pretty poorly. They seem to have no concept of boons or class speccing other than “I am healer” or “I am dps”. They use poor gear, and do not really have any good place in a team. “Only 80” dungeons runs are a bit better, most people there seem to have a better understanding of their class. This also goes for El as wells, they need to understand their class and actually need to fit some tank unless you are a dodge master and know the dungeons like their own pocket.

And lets not forget the ice bow in AC

Really, people shy away from ele?

Hard to believe, i think they are amazing and i love bringing Ele’s. A ton of combofields, great boons, and atleast you do more damage then Engineers. Let Warriors and Guardians deal with facetanking mobs with sharp teeth.

I was glad to have a guildie run with me on my CoE farm for the legendary. Being a d/d Ele i was constantly getting Might, Protection, Regen and healing. While he did seem to do quite good damage against mobs, and i think he went down maybe twice in all the runs we did.
Little unstopable killing machine that Asura was.

roostapro.9827:

Funny story time – CoF path 1 group consisted of all wars and myself as an ele…they died several times to something that shouldn’t have killed them (last boss) so i was stuck soloing it. . ..ok next path i died once and got kicked for dying……..

I am an ele main, so don’t take this the wrong way, but they died because berserker warriors rely on massive dps for survival in cof path 1. Without a mesmer/another warrior, you didn’t have enough dps to kill the boss before he killed them. It is not because they are bad…in fact even with lower dps the fastest strategy is still not to move and just throw rocks if you are downed, since the boss will almost always die and rally you. With a properly outfitted war/mes group, nobody will ever die because you are blazing through everything in seconds.

And I am almost certain you were kicked for low dps and not for dying… it’s not your fault though, since eles have terrible dps compared to wars in PvE, where nothing bothers to dodge 100b.

vs the heavy armor, yes eles can not take hits. no cloth wearing class in any mmo i have ever played could take a hits without some kind of support. eles have that support, in there skill bar. personally i have not been removed from a group or told i am to weak, some times i am on the ground other times i am picking up others., as a staff ele, yes u heard me, i use a staff now. i find groups easy enough even pugs, and have never been told i am to weak. key is to know the class and play it well,
if ur like everyone else trying to take a d/d into a dungeon then yes u need to die a few times.. as your gear prob wont let u come into melee ranged combat and take that hit more then once. try switching to staff. figuring out , and practicing how to drop and over lay dmg down in aoes, and see what happens if u dont want to go staff then do s/d
but to say eles are hated, i am sorry i got to call BS
maybe a little under power in there staff/ and s/d yes, but that’s where knowing the spells and when to use them comes in

Really? don’t know what server you are but I got opposite situation. People were saying like “Don’t care for the 5th member as long as we have ele”. what server are you?

http://youtu.be/5SdCnbUmwvM
This is my downgrade and testing might stacking berserker build.

@inkubus….
Trust me remove that vid at once before its too late >.<
It contains things that will only get you bad answers….

Possibly wasn t a good run for you…..but using it to prove something is not the best idea….

Can’t say I’ve ever been excluded from a group with my Ele. OP seems to play on a server with unusual high concentration of idiots.

LordByron.8369:

@inkubus….
Trust me remove that vid at once before its too late >.<
It contains things that will only get you bad answers….

Possibly wasn t a good run for you…..but using it to prove something is not the best idea….

Really? I don’t care. I really don’t. I was experimenting with arcanist build and it was pretty good for me. If someone can have better play of ele with staff let him contact me as I am open to learn new things.

well you would ve died so many times in that vid at any consistent fotm difficulty….
that is enough to say its not a good vid.

at fotm 4 people just can ignore most fractal mechanics and kill things at sight that is exactly what you did…..

You should just look some fotm guides and you’d see.

Zadoris.7015:

I personally am tired of people turning me down, or kicking me from a dungeon ONLY because I’m an Elementalist. It is incredibly frustrating.

pretty much everyone pictures the “perfect group” as pure warriors/guardians. because they hit hard, and are hard to kill.

so what do YOU think? do you think that Elementalists are simply underpowered, useless, or both? Or do you think warriors / heavy armor wearing professions are too overpowered and dominate every other profession in PvE.
Or do you not see an issue?

I don’t want to see people posting “oh you get kicked or not invited cause you suck” cause that’s not it, as they don’t even give a chance, simply see that I’m an elementalist and decide they don’t want me.
Nor do I want to see anyone comparing to PvP, this is STRICTLY about PvE.

I am really surprised anyone would do this, I consider myself quite a hard-core pver, and I would never turn down an ele. Quite the opposite I’m actually happy when I get an ele in my group.

If what you say is true and someone would turn you down without playing with you to see your skill, they clearly don’t know what great group versatile an ele can bring. In my opinion they are noobs and not worth playing with.

I roll a guard as main and I have a warrior and ele fully geared as my alt.

LordByron.8369:

well you would ve died so many times in that vid at any consistent fotm difficulty….
that is enough to say its not a good vid.

at fotm 4 people just can ignore most fractal mechanics and kill things at sight that is exactly what you did…..

You should just look some fotm guides and you’d see.

I was reckless I admit, but still having that small amount of health I’d say I handled situation well. Usually don’t die but it happens. Not that big deal.

Several people up here have stated what I believe is the Ele’s problem in dungeons. Warrior’s especially are a very forgiving class. Having the highest HP pool and the highest armor class lets them if they happen to do something foolish. Ele’s on the other hand sit on the other end of the spectrum. And when you run with a PUG, nobody has any idea of the skill you may have with your class. Some people just decide to go with warriors because they believe they will survive even if the other people are idiots. So don’t be discouraged if someone turns you down because you’re an ele. That person is probably not too confident in his team’s ability to begin with.

I seriously don’t understand why they would kick you just because your an ele …

In our guild we always run FOTM and/or dungeons with our team that consists of the following : ele, ele, mez, ranger and either guardian or warrior … and we tend to always go like this as we work great together and have yet to fail any dungeon we have done together even if it was our first ever run at it …

These guys that kicked you must have something seriously wrong with them period.

Wolf Fivousix.4319:

@Slim, you forgot the quickness bubble ^^

oh yes, Time Warp is great, good point. But that’s another skill that a lot of people think should be nerfed… so many cries for nerfs imo, it get’s old.

also, wasn’t knocking on mesmer, mesmer is my second favorite class and I use it a lot in WvW. Just don’t think any one class vastly out or under performs any other… except ranger… of course

Ashecroft.7321:

Several people up here have stated what I believe is the Ele’s problem in dungeons. Warrior’s especially are a very forgiving class. Having the highest HP pool and the highest armor class lets them if they happen to do something foolish. Ele’s on the other hand sit on the other end of the spectrum. And when you run with a PUG, nobody has any idea of the skill you may have with your class. Some people just decide to go with warriors because they believe they will survive even if the other people are idiots. So don’t be discouraged if someone turns you down because you’re an ele. That person is probably not too confident in his team’s ability to begin with.

^ this is very true. However, as an ele in most places, dungeons, WvW, pve, pvp… I’m almost always the last man standing in a very bad pug group.

I will say that I’ve seen some very bad ele’s out there too. It’s a class that requires a different mindset and playstyle, unlike any other class, and for some people it just doesn’t “click,” or frankly it’s just too much dexterity and hand-gymnastics to do it well. For me, I like the challenge of stacking boons, dropping might, cycling through blast finishers, dropping AoE and single target dmg, AoE healz…

I find there’s nothing in the game ele is the “absolute best” at, we can’t down someone like a thief, we can’t crowd control like a guardian, we can’t heal like a shout warrior… but there’s nothing in the game ele is the worst at either. We are great at everything, perfect at nothing, terrible at nothing. Except for might stacks and other combo finishers… no one has the blast finisher arsenal we do, especially in scepter/dagger, so I take that back, that is one thing we far outshine anyone else at.

Nothing makes me happier then when I’m in a PuG group and people keep typing, “where’s all this might coming from?” or “How do I always have 25 stacks of might? is that some banner or shout from the warriors?”

<— secretly smiles

New to the game… so really can’t say much on the matter. I’ve found that just running with random peeps; they always love having an Ele around… I did not know why at first, but after really diving deeper into the toon and what it is… a “Utility Class” and not a "Pure Caster, per say) I really start to shine with the toon.

I’ve done 1 CM run and got my rear end handed to me… it was because i did not learn yet, how to play dungeons. The folks in there was very helpful, and they themselves was learning as we went.

I now know how to play with a group (because I’ve been solo all this time – I’m good at that) because I’ve joined a guild, and plan to be running it regularly with them…

My point… keep your head up man.. this is one of the most EXPLOSIVE class’s I have ever played in any game… join a guild and see if you can get some buds to run with ya… trust me, no one will refuse ya if ya chilling…. or your looking for competitive stuff? I believe you said PvE in your OP.

(Engineer in RL – Spelling/grammar sucks)

Had 5 ele party few days ago, all d/d experianced players. I never passed dungeon so fast and with soo much fun! Thank you all my dear fellow elementals

Sanel.5603:

Had 5 ele party few days ago, all d/d experianced players. I never passed dungeon so fast and with soo much fun! Thank you all my dear fellow elementals

I don’t understand why ppl think lots of eles in party is “death fest”. I had couple a weeks ago 4 ele party (3 staff, 1 scepter) and we cleared dung pretty quick. Few days ago I had party 3 eles (staff, scepter, D/D) and again it was quick run. Synergy between eles in party is great.

Even one D/D ele in party with focus on auras is huge boon to the party (noone dies + makes nice damage) not having 5 is really something.

Did ele’s get a huge nerf in PvE? Haven’t played since late september, but back then I was easily the highest damage in every fight, with a half decent group of players (ie well above the average player). I also would rarely die, due to Ele’s insane escape/survivability kite, which gives you a huge amount of ways to stay alive. Just having massive hp, is not the only way to not die btw, imo it is better to not actually take that damage at all

you possibly played an ele in august…
end august b4 the release got a huge nerf….to the point everybodu thought it was the worst profession for months.

any class can be as good as they want to be. Played the other night lvl 26 fractal with a glass cannon d/d thief who didn’t down once. Played dungeons with a stack of ele’s and it was the fastest run ever. Run with other ele’s I’ve spent my entire time rezzing and never once saw them share an aura, boon, might, heal… nothing…

you either know how to play your class or you don’t. Take ranger, I have an 80 ranger and I feel like a limp fish gasping for air. I know plenty of people who swear ranger is far better than most give them credit for.

the d/d build has made it easier for ele’s to be decent, so it shouldn’t be much of a problem getting bumped from groups anymore. But the best ele’s I see lean towards s/d or even staff, especially in pve and know how to use it.

SlimGenre.6417:

the d/d build has made it easier for ele’s to be decent,

…providing the player knows what to do. Otherwise, it’s the worst scenario possible (light armor, melee, low health pool….)

Probably the point is: everyone have his hated profession.
Pick it random from Necro useless condition damage, Engineer useless at all, ranger don’t do enough damage and utility, elementalist is very probable it will suck because is a hard profession to learn use and survive, warrior is a class for poor player, thief are useless and explode at the first sneeze around, mesmer suck and I don’t like it, and I hate guardian because they’re op.
A good player will remain good no matter the profession, a bad player will remain bad.