Guild Wars 2

Obscure One.4357:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Obscure One.4357:

I don’t dare presume to tell another Engineer how to run their build. Lord knows you get 5 of us in a room you’ll get 15 opinions.

That said with a Valkarye set you’re speced for Power, Vitality, and Crit Damage, so the idea is to trait to complement that as best as you can. Some may go 0/0/30/30/10, and be stupid durable and insanely painful when they constantly pop Elixir X with quickness off Elixir U. I personally prefer a 10/0/10/30/20 with the build, but it’s personal preference what works for you, just 30 in Alch is the staple of using Elixir X to its fullest.

Naturally you’ll have to contend with Mesmer Null Fields and Corruption Necromancers, but that’s what player skill is for: Separates the Pro’s from the Joe’s.

I am Vit, Toughness/Power armor wise, i need to upgrade everything else – i have no earrings and >10 for all other accessories lol

Not really sure where to go with the stats for the weapons and the accessories, if i could get 50%+ Boon duration i could consider Lyssa currently i dont think its worth it for such a short duration, though depending on what the damage increase from the Boon trait and the quickness Elixir that could be a option as well

Well I’d focus on learning the intricacies of the class before you formulate your opinion. Sounds like your new to it, even if not new to the game, and are running into the very reason we’re the minority class played in GW2: “It ain’t easy being greasy”.

If complex combos and advanced theory crafting aren’t your thing Engineer is not going to be attractive. It’s extra hard for players who rolled thief and are already accustomed to Guild Wars 222222222222. Optimal build performance on Engineers means knowing what to use and every way to use it…other than Mortar, that skill is a hot sick pile of dog $&!# no matter how you sniff it. But I’d bet money there’s folks out there that don’t know Overcharged shot cures mobility conditions, Magnet can’t be blocked, or that Analyze can be used while stunned and ignores facing the target. These kinds of intricacies are what the engineer is all about and learning them is what makes the difference between epic fail and total pwnage with the class.

Master the class, then come back and tell me Elixir X isn’t every bit of awesome I say it is.

So far i am loving it, Loving making all the different combo fields as well. Yeah i know Mortar pretty much sucks, the only reason i got it was so i would have everything unlocked lol.

Running with FT/EG and EB for Utilities most of the time. Loving how i can Combo stuns and interrupts as i am using P/S as well. Pretty much been decided my build as i went along, though of course nothing is tweak proof which i have been doing a bit recently.

Yeah i enjoyed the Rifle but i prefer the Confusion, stuns and skills of P/S over it. I have used most of the skills a bit here and there to get used to them, so i know the ones i like and know the ones that i dont like as much

I am not saying that its terrible, that it could just be improved…

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Obscure One.4357:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Obscure One.4357:

I don’t dare presume to tell another Engineer how to run their build. Lord knows you get 5 of us in a room you’ll get 15 opinions.

That said with a Valkarye set you’re speced for Power, Vitality, and Crit Damage, so the idea is to trait to complement that as best as you can. Some may go 0/0/30/30/10, and be stupid durable and insanely painful when they constantly pop Elixir X with quickness off Elixir U. I personally prefer a 10/0/10/30/20 with the build, but it’s personal preference what works for you, just 30 in Alch is the staple of using Elixir X to its fullest.

Naturally you’ll have to contend with Mesmer Null Fields and Corruption Necromancers, but that’s what player skill is for: Separates the Pro’s from the Joe’s.

I am Vit, Toughness/Power armor wise, i need to upgrade everything else – i have no earrings and >10 for all other accessories lol

Not really sure where to go with the stats for the weapons and the accessories, if i could get 50%+ Boon duration i could consider Lyssa currently i dont think its worth it for such a short duration, though depending on what the damage increase from the Boon trait and the quickness Elixir that could be a option as well

Well I’d focus on learning the intricacies of the class before you formulate your opinion. Sounds like your new to it, even if not new to the game, and are running into the very reason we’re the minority class played in GW2: “It ain’t easy being greasy”.

If complex combos and advanced theory crafting aren’t your thing Engineer is not going to be attractive. It’s extra hard for players who rolled thief and are already accustomed to Guild Wars 222222222222. Optimal build performance on Engineers means knowing what to use and every way to use it…other than Mortar, that skill is a hot sick pile of dog $&!# no matter how you sniff it. But I’d bet money there’s folks out there that don’t know Overcharged shot cures mobility conditions, Magnet can’t be blocked, or that Analyze can be used while stunned and ignores facing the target. These kinds of intricacies are what the engineer is all about and learning them is what makes the difference between epic fail and total pwnage with the class.

Master the class, then come back and tell me Elixir X isn’t every bit of awesome I say it is.

So far i am loving it, Loving making all the different combo fields as well. Yeah i know Mortar pretty much sucks, the only reason i got it was so i would have everything unlocked lol.

Running with FT/EG and EB for Utilities most of the time. Loving how i can Combo stuns and interrupts as i am using P/S as well. Pretty much been decided my build as i went along, though of course nothing is tweak proof which i have been doing a bit recently.

Yeah i enjoyed the Rifle but i prefer the Confusion, stuns and skills of P/S over it. I have used most of the skills a bit here and there to get used to them, so i know the ones i like and know the ones that i dont like as much

I am not saying that its terrible, that it could just be improved…

Sounds like your coming along. Give it time and you’ll be arguing with yourself over what’s best for your build. For your build, if your looking for a direction, a good one is 20/20/0/20/10, use Carrion gear (Power, Vitality, Condition Damage) snag 4 runes of altruism, 2 runes of Hoelbrak, and a Sigil of Battle. Using Enhance Performance, Juggernaut, Deadly Admixture as your primary traits, once you can get used to kit swapping rotations you’ll have plenty of might by cycling Med Kit. Using Speedy Kits and Invigorating Speed will also help tremendously, and if your zerging use a Sigil of Stamina in your off hand for endless dodge bombs.

There’s also the option of using Rabid gear as well, or even Soldiers would work fine. Again, lots of ways to skin that cat.

Obscure One.4357:

Sounds like your coming along. Give it time and you’ll be arguing with yourself over what’s best for your build. For your build, if your looking for a direction, a good one is 20/20/0/20/10, use Carrion gear (Power, Vitality, Condition Damage) snag 4 runes of altruism, 2 runes of Hoelbrak, and a Sigil of Battle. Using Enhance Performance, Juggernaut, Deadly Admixture as your primary traits, once you can get used to kit swapping rotations you’ll have plenty of might by cycling Med Kit. Using Speedy Kits and Invigorating Speed will also help tremendously, and if your zerging use a Sigil of Stamina in your off hand for endless dodge bombs.

There’s also the option of using Rabid gear as well, or even Soldiers would work fine. Again, lots of ways to skin that cat.

With all the interrupts i was thinking about maybe a Confusion + Perplexity build but i am trying to stay away from cpondition builds as my Mesmer(SO much fun!), Ele (VERY hard and the weakest, thats why its shelved for now) and Necro(not used currently as the buffs have made it boring :/) are condition builds

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Obscure One.4357:

Sounds like your coming along. Give it time and you’ll be arguing with yourself over what’s best for your build. For your build, if your looking for a direction, a good one is 20/20/0/20/10, use Carrion gear (Power, Vitality, Condition Damage) snag 4 runes of altruism, 2 runes of Hoelbrak, and a Sigil of Battle. Using Enhance Performance, Juggernaut, Deadly Admixture as your primary traits, once you can get used to kit swapping rotations you’ll have plenty of might by cycling Med Kit. Using Speedy Kits and Invigorating Speed will also help tremendously, and if your zerging use a Sigil of Stamina in your off hand for endless dodge bombs.

There’s also the option of using Rabid gear as well, or even Soldiers would work fine. Again, lots of ways to skin that cat.

With all the interrupts i was thinking about maybe a Confusion + Perplexity build but i am trying to stay away from cpondition builds as my Mesmer(SO much fun!), Ele (VERY hard and the weakest, thats why its shelved for now) and Necro(not used currently as the buffs have made it boring :/) are condition builds

Oi…perplexity…well I’d be lying if I said you don’t have a valid point, and more so if I said they aren’t the most disgusting thing I’ve ever put on my condition build. Problem is they’re too good and liable to see a nerf.

The condition meta has flat out gotten out of hand, it’s why everyone including yourself is drawn to it. That being the case, and in the spirit of not competely derailing your thread, Elixir X isn’t the best choice for elite. Supply Crate is the clear winner for that build composition. X is just not universally applicable to builds and soon won’t be our only reliable source of stability, but as it is, in practiced hands, it’s a game changer.

Until there’s a “Condition Resist” stat, conditions will rule the roost. So by all means roll perplexity, but don’t get to attached, the nerf is a matter of time.

Obscure One.4357:

Oi…perplexity…well I’d be lying if I said you don’t have a valid point, and more so if I said they aren’t the most disgusting thing I’ve ever put on my condition build. Problem is they’re too good and liable to see a nerf.

The condition meta has flat out gotten out of hand, it’s why everyone including yourself is drawn to it. That being the case, and in the spirit of not competely derailing your thread, Elixir X isn’t the best choice for elite. Supply Crate is the clear winner for that build composition. X is just not universally applicable to builds and soon won’t be our only reliable source of stability, but as it is, in practiced hands, it’s a game changer.

Until there’s a “Condition Resist” stat, conditions will rule the roost. So by all means roll perplexity, but don’t get to attached, the nerf is a matter of time.

I was condition builds on all my toons before the “Condition Meta” came to be, as soon as it started i stopped playing my Necro as it just wasnt fun anymore. Mesmer though it takes getting involved unlike the Necro who just runs around spamming marks…YAWN. Does Rampage and Tornado proc the Perplexity 6/6? that could be a very interesting build.

I am finding EX to be “good” but just feel that it could be better and more useful for other build types as i dont see it being that useful for Heal-Support or condition builds for example, though if it procs Perplexity it could work in a Confusion build.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Obscure One.4357:

Oi…perplexity…well I’d be lying if I said you don’t have a valid point, and more so if I said they aren’t the most disgusting thing I’ve ever put on my condition build. Problem is they’re too good and liable to see a nerf.

The condition meta has flat out gotten out of hand, it’s why everyone including yourself is drawn to it. That being the case, and in the spirit of not competely derailing your thread, Elixir X isn’t the best choice for elite. Supply Crate is the clear winner for that build composition. X is just not universally applicable to builds and soon won’t be our only reliable source of stability, but as it is, in practiced hands, it’s a game changer.

Until there’s a “Condition Resist” stat, conditions will rule the roost. So by all means roll perplexity, but don’t get to attached, the nerf is a matter of time.

I was condition builds on all my toons before the “Condition Meta” came to be, as soon as it started i stopped playing my Necro as it just wasnt fun anymore. Mesmer though it takes getting involved unlike the Necro who just runs around spamming marks…YAWN. Does Rampage and Tornado proc the Perplexity 6/6? that could be a very interesting build.

I am finding EX to be “good” but just feel that it could be better and more useful for other build types as i dont see it being that useful for Heal-Support or condition builds for example, though if it procs Perplexity it could work in a Confusion build.

Yeap, it procs. Just not all that efficient with Tornado (though grossly overpowered with Rampager). Better off with AoE stun from Supply Crate, then chain your shield interrupts and FT knock back as you roll in with Prybar and Static Shot. They’ll die just trying to clear the conditions. If you could predict the proc on X, then I’d say it’s the better option, but as it stands it’s for different breed of build.

Uvatha.5476:

I would like to see Elixer X have a unique ability of its own that’s specific to our class. I want to play an engineer and don’t see where copy pasta versions of other class elites fit in at all.

I agree completely. Plus RNG on an elite… what is this… I don’t even…

Obscure One.4357:

Yeap, it procs. Just not all that efficient with Tornado (though grossly overpowered with Rampager). Better off with AoE stun from Supply Crate, then chain your shield interrupts and FT knock back as you roll in with Prybar and Static Shot. They’ll die just trying to clear the conditions. If you could predict the proc on X, then I’d say it’s the better option, but as it stands it’s for different breed of build.

Mmmmmm, Thats interesting. What kind of Condition damage should be looking for? I was thinking maybe rather then go full Condition just add the Runes to my current gear set (P/V/T) and add some condition weapons and accessories i wouldnt be relying fully on Confusion but it would add that little bit extra.

Or is Confusion something you need to go all or nothing on with Engineer?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqelIqyaH5SdF87IS4DSIoH1FgdXiZ8YQGA-jkBBoOBMnrIasl1FRjVzATliIq2joIa1A-w

This is the kind of build i was thinking of. Plenty of Possible interrupts, the Utilities could be switched up based on the situation. Only bad thing i could see would be the lack of condition duration.

I could pull 10 points from Firearms, ditch the chance on crit for Vul, move 5 into Alchemy and gain Backpack re generator and 5 points into Inventions and take Elite Supplies so i could free up Potent Elixirs for something else – Thinking Blood Injection, Deadly Mixture or Self-regulating Defenses

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Obscure One.4357:

Yeap, it procs. Just not all that efficient with Tornado (though grossly overpowered with Rampager). Better off with AoE stun from Supply Crate, then chain your shield interrupts and FT knock back as you roll in with Prybar and Static Shot. They’ll die just trying to clear the conditions. If you could predict the proc on X, then I’d say it’s the better option, but as it stands it’s for different breed of build.

Mmmmmm, Thats interesting. What kind of Condition damage should be looking for? I was thinking maybe rather then go full Condition just add the Runes to my current gear set (P/V/T) and add some condition weapons and accessories i wouldnt be relying fully on Confusion but it would add that little bit extra.

Or is Confusion something you need to go all or nothing on with Engineer?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqelIqyaH5SdF87IS4DSIoH1FgdXiZ8YQGA-jkBBoOBMnrIasl1FRjVzATliIq2joIa1A-w

This is the kind of build i was thinking of. Plenty of Possible interrupts, the Utilities could be switched up based on the situation. Only bad thing i could see would be the lack of condition duration.

I could pull 10 points from Firearms, ditch the chance on crit for Vul, move 5 into Alchemy and gain Backpack re generator and 5 points into Inventions and take Elite Supplies so i could free up Potent Elixirs for something else – Thinking Blood Injection, Deadly Mixture or Self-regulating Defenses

For a perplexity build you want 1500+ Condition Damage (mine sits around 2k with food and Corruption sigil stacks). The gear choice should be between Rabid, Dire, or Carrion, and though Soldier/Invader prefix (P/T/V) is a general benchmark for general effectiveness, you really need to specialize to wreck with conditions as you should know from playing your Mesmer.

You want the enemy to be on the permanent defensive, and freaking the &#$! out over how much condition damage they’re taking and how your tossing them around like a child’s plaything with all your CCs. That being said the most panic inducing amount of condition damage you can pull off is the key to the build, so Soldiers doesn’t really fit for it.

Also I wouldn’t take so much care to ensure you get Elite Supplies, it’s only for making Supply Crate better, but for those other 180 seconds it’s no use. Sure it buffs mortar, but that’s just putting sprinkles on a $&#! sandwich. And if your looking to buff X you should be invested the Alch line enough for potent which will apply to all elixirs. Naturally there’s reasons to take it for X such as if you’re running Cleansing Formula 409, but it’s hard turning down Reinforced Shield for Elite Supplies.

Elixir X should gives us stability and 2 other boons for 20 seconds.
Hell the other 2 boons could even be RNG i wouldnt care.

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So you want the upcoming reworked Elixir B… as an elite that merely copies Rampage as One? Okay…

To everyone that hates Elixir X, what was it specifically that you’ve used it for has it not done that you expected it to do? Seems like most of the complaints are just expecting Elixir X to be something it’s not and probably never will be.

Brenil.8957:

To everyone that hates Elixir X, what was it specifically that you’ve used it for has it not done that you expected it to do? Seems like most of the complaints are just expecting Elixir X to be something it’s not and probably never will be.

I dont hate it, i just think it could be BETTER. It has little uses for those that are built different such as condition builds or “healing”/support builds…

That is why i think it could be improved.

Elites aren’t omni-skills, they shouldn’t work perfectly for every build. That’s why we get several of them (racials included). The problem isn’t Elixir X, as it is a complete – yet conceptually uninspired – elite skill that functions just fine and is useful even for builds that aren’t built around it.

Elixir X is mostly about disruption, as it has already been said, therefore it can only work as a damage booster if you’re a power build. Yet even if you’re condition/healing/support based, it still works fine for pulsing blinds and other forms of CC, which is a quality support tool in PvP/WvWvW.

I honestly don’t see any case being made for Elixir X needing to be improved, only that some people don’t like how it functions, therefore want it changed on that basis alone.

As has already been said, if you want a skill to improve that truly needs help, look at Mortar. That’s an elite that is almost the opposite of Elixir X. It is conceptually interesting but performs abysmally.