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Posted by: dancingmonkey.4902

dancingmonkey.4902

Perhaps assuming “drones” are a new utility skill set is inaccurate. Perhaps they are simply a reworking of turrets in a mobile form, and have absolutely nothing to do with Forge.

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Posted by: Adamantium.3682

Adamantium.3682

Perhaps assuming “drones” are a new utility skill set is inaccurate. Perhaps they are simply a reworking of turrets in a mobile form, and have absolutely nothing to do with Forge.

None of the other professions have had anything released outside of their Elite Spec. It is an assumption, but I feel it is a pretty sure one to say that these drones have something to do with Elite Spec.

I also do not think it is possible a rework of turrets is the Elite Spec in any way. I can’t imagine the outcry on these forums if Anet did not give Engis new skills but only reworked terrible ones as the “Elite Spec that should fundamentally change the way your profession works”.

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Posted by: Manuhell.2759

Manuhell.2759

Maybe they’re indeed a reworking, but one that locks out old turrets?
Like, “as a forge you’ve learned how to improve turrets, now you can use drones in their place; unfortunately these drones aren’t self-sustaining as turrets, they consume a lot of energy when active, so get this energy bar and deal with it yourself”.

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Posted by: Pride.1734

Pride.1734

Without knowing how they work for sure, its not yet time to call out doomsday. That being said if they are indeed ai minions i won’t even touch them with a stick.
Getting a Hammer is great anyway so thats something to look forward to

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Posted by: dancingmonkey.4902

dancingmonkey.4902

None of the other professions have had anything released outside of their Elite Spec. It is an assumption, but I feel it is a pretty sure one to say that these drones have something to do with Elite Spec.

Wait, your claiming to know that other profession will get absolutely nothing out of HoT, besides what we have seen about the ES? I would think it is reasonable to assume that we may see a lot of reworked skills with the release of HoT.

I also do not think it is possible a rework of turrets is the Elite Spec in any way. I can’t imagine the outcry on these forums if Anet did not give Engis new skills but only reworked terrible ones as the “Elite Spec that should fundamentally change the way your profession works”.

Where did I suggest a rework of the turrets had anything to do with the ES? If you are jumping to such irrational conclusion as to claim my comments referred directly to the ES, then I don’t know what to say.

I would like to think there would be many skills reworked for HoT, but I have no idea why anyone would assume needed reworks or needed redesigned are linked directly to the ES.

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Posted by: Adamantium.3682

Adamantium.3682

None of the other professions have had anything released outside of their Elite Spec. It is an assumption, but I feel it is a pretty sure one to say that these drones have something to do with Elite Spec.

Wait, your claiming to know that other profession will get absolutely nothing out of HoT, besides what we have seen about the ES? I would think it is reasonable to assume that we may see a lot of reworked skills with the release of HoT.

I also do not think it is possible a rework of turrets is the Elite Spec in any way. I can’t imagine the outcry on these forums if Anet did not give Engis new skills but only reworked terrible ones as the “Elite Spec that should fundamentally change the way your profession works”.

Where did I suggest a rework of the turrets had anything to do with the ES? If you are jumping to such irrational conclusion as to claim my comments referred directly to the ES, then I don’t know what to say.

I would like to think there would be many skills reworked for HoT, but I have no idea why anyone would assume needed reworks or needed redesigned are linked directly to the ES.

I had a longer reply written up, but I realized we’re simply talking about different things. Maybe I replied more to the other posts in this thread within my reply to your specifically, either way we don’t really disagree. What I was trying to get at with my reply to you was that these new datamined icons are most likely something that is going to be revealed soon, and they’re not revealing general profession changes right now, so they are logically most likely to be related to the ES.

I also don’t know why people would think reworked turrets are linked directly to the ES, but look through this thread that seems to be a common opinion. Drones are just improved turrets? That seems ridiculous to me. I was replying more to that than your specific comments.

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Posted by: dancingmonkey.4902

dancingmonkey.4902

Drones being reworked turrets that give mobility to turrets, as the community has been clamoring to have, for over three years, seems ridiculous? Why?

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Posted by: Adamantium.3682

Adamantium.3682

Drones being reworked turrets that give mobility to turrets, as the community has been clamoring to have, for over three years, seems ridiculous? Why?

If you read my post you would realize I am under the assumption that the drone icons are part of the ES. Under this assumption it doesn’t make sense that the drones are simply an update to turrets.

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Posted by: nearlight.3064

nearlight.3064

As someone who plays MM necro a lot right now, I think that drone minions on engi could have a ton of potential since the AI was fixed,

However, it will honestly depend on how easy it is to keep the drones alive. Cleric is the best amulet for MM because you can keep minions alive much longer than usual with two AoE heal traits. We will have to see if engineers will have this ability, since I’m pretty sure inventions healing traits won’t really cut it for drone sustain (plz let them walk into bunker down med kits lol).

Overall we will have to see the details and try it out, but if the drone skills and forge traits are good enough, and if soothing detonation is enough to sustain the kitten drones, then it could be a viable choice for sure.

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Posted by: Adamantium.3682

Adamantium.3682

The current reviews of Daredevil are not making me hopeful for Forge.

They said Daredevil was one of the ones they had the most refined, and they had worked the longest on. If this is true for Forge my hype train might derail.

At least Herald is awesome!

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Posted by: dancingmonkey.4902

dancingmonkey.4902

The current reviews of Daredevil are not making me hopeful for Forge.

They said Daredevil was one of the ones they had the most refined, and they had worked the longest on. If this is true for Forge my hype train might derail.

At least Herald is awesome!

I ma playing DD right now and I like it a lot. You have access to it. Go, try it yourself. I advise that over reading discussion on a website in which most only come visit in order to complain.

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Posted by: Adamantium.3682

Adamantium.3682

The current reviews of Daredevil are not making me hopeful for Forge.

They said Daredevil was one of the ones they had the most refined, and they had worked the longest on. If this is true for Forge my hype train might derail.

At least Herald is awesome!

I ma playing DD right now and I like it a lot. You have access to it. Go, try it yourself. I advise that over reading discussion on a website in which most only come visit in order to complain.

I fully intend on playing it! That’s how my full opinion will be formed, but the first impression was not good. I’m at work for the next couple hours though.

This wasn’t based on just the forums. The general consensus across the few GW2 fan sites I visit has not been good at all.

I checked during my lunch, it may have just been the first people that logged in and it’s better now after a few more hours and eyes on it. I consider myself pretty optimistic and I initially felt pessimistic upon reading those reviews.

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Posted by: dancingmonkey.4902

dancingmonkey.4902

I fully intend on playing it! That’s how my full opinion will be formed, but the first impression was not good. I’m at work for the next couple hours though.

Whose first impression? You said you haven’t played it yet, but your speaking for the rest of the community on their behalf? Perhaps you should stick to sharing your opinion, and not presume to tell us what everyone elses is?

This wasn’t based on just the forums. The general consensus across the few GW2 fan sites I visit has not been good at all.

Were these sights in which you were a voted representative and speaker of the people?

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Posted by: Adamantium.3682

Adamantium.3682

I have no interest in responding to someone who tries that hard to pick apart and twist every word written by someone else. My post was nowhere near the tone you are accusing me of.

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Posted by: paladinecho.3024

paladinecho.3024

No more Healing with Medkit

BAHAHA! didnt even think about that one 10\10

Down with Medkit! Give me back EIB! Need to know if they are going to do this so I can know if I’m going to be playing this game or something else. No elixir infused bombs, then I think I’m going to leave.

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Posted by: abc.5790

abc.5790

They killed engies in pvp that started with the turret nerf. Engies will continue to remain mediocre unless they rebalance our entire trait system. It’s an under-represented class in all 3 game modes (pvp, wvw, pve) and the June patch rebalance made it even worse.

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Posted by: Pride.1734

Pride.1734

They killed engies in pvp that started with the turret nerf. Engies will continue to remain mediocre unless they rebalance our entire trait system. It’s an under-represented class in all 3 game modes (pvp, wvw, pve) and the June patch rebalance made it even worse.

I would have to agree but in a different way.
They did not kill our usefulness in all gamemodes. We were never that great in WvW but the Mortar in a nice addition. In PvE we can play sinister now. And in PvP our powerbuilds are more durable and versitile than ever before.

But they did kill lots of our build diversity. The classic condi engi isn’t a thing anymore and has been replaced by “working as intended” burning only. Cele engi has been very nerfed by the shuffled arround IP and condi changes. And healing engi died with EIB. Also for what its worth we also lost the turret engi.

We are basicly left with a couple of power variations and the burning abomination.

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Posted by: Sylow.6403

Sylow.6403

im still hopeful that its a turret rework too

I would very much also appreciate that. I have leveled an Engineer “just for fun” and really enjoyed using turrets as long as i was in the “normal” game, but anything in the Silverwastes and any boss just smashes the turrets in no time, as they are really bad at evading.

So, any upgrade there would be welcome from my side, in the current state my Engineer went to the storage where he’ll collect dust till turrets are made useful. (Without the turrets, other classes are just so much more appealing to me that the Engineer simply doesn’t matter. )