Is AH build viable? Alternative?
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
[ROCK]
Desolation
Desolation
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Anyway, running the knights will give you more dps, group support, and practice running an optimal build than AH. AH isn’t absolutely awful for gs + sword/focus builds since you have points to spare for MoC and blind/vuln spam still with 0/15/30/0/10 and points to spare. It just isn’t optimal in any way and no point in runningit. For hammer though it isn’t viable since you lose too much.
Question, why would knights give you more dps? If dps is what you want why not just go full zerk?
20/25/0/0/25 with knights armor would give more dps and group support than ah zerk.
Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
Anyway, running the knights will give you more dps, group support, and practice running an optimal build than AH. AH isn’t absolutely awful for gs + sword/focus builds since you have points to spare for MoC and blind/vuln spam still with 0/15/30/0/10 and points to spare. It just isn’t optimal in any way and no point in runningit. For hammer though it isn’t viable since you lose too much.
Question, why would knights give you more dps? If dps is what you want why not just go full zerk?
20/25/0/0/25 with knights armor would give more dps and group support than ah zerk.
Hmm that seems like an over-exaggeration but none the less it’s not what I asked.
I asked why are you using knights in YOUR build when you could simply use all zerk.
Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
I actually pug and gear check and have perfect runs with people in full scholar/zerk running the correct builds without voice com pretty regularly. I have no idea where you get these assumptions.
Also, nvm you’re not worth arguing with because:
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Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
I actually pug and gear check and have perfect runs with people in full scholar/zerk running the correct builds without voice com pretty regularly. I have no idea what you get these assumptions.
Being able succeed in a run while having scholar runes doesn’t mean you’ve actually managed to take advantage of the 6 pc 10% damage bonus enough to make it worth having over for example ruby orbs if dps is what you are after.
Fact is pugs are terrible sometimes, and maintaining 90%+ hp in a bad pug in high lvl fractals is near impossible.
Anyway, running the knights will give you more dps, group support, and practice running an optimal build than AH. AH isn’t absolutely awful for gs + sword/focus builds since you have points to spare for MoC and blind/vuln spam still with 0/15/30/0/10 and points to spare. It just isn’t optimal in any way and no point in runningit. For hammer though it isn’t viable since you lose too much.
Question, why would knights give you more dps? If dps is what you want why not just go full zerk?
20/25/0/0/25 with knights armor would give more dps and group support than ah zerk.
Hmm that seems like an over-exaggeration but none the less it’s not what I asked.
I asked why are you using knights in YOUR build when you could simply use all zerk.
I use full zerk myself and encourage people to do the same. I labeled that as main set. I labeled the knight set as a starter set, back up (if pugs are failing hard and your struggling with the full zerk on), or for the few tactics I listed for fractals. I realize that not everyone will be capable of running this at their current level of play so I put knights in there as an option for new/struggling players. It’s a good option for those people until they make their way to full zerk.
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Anyway, running the knights will give you more dps, group support, and practice running an optimal build than AH. AH isn’t absolutely awful for gs + sword/focus builds since you have points to spare for MoC and blind/vuln spam still with 0/15/30/0/10 and points to spare. It just isn’t optimal in any way and no point in runningit. For hammer though it isn’t viable since you lose too much.
Question, why would knights give you more dps? If dps is what you want why not just go full zerk?
20/25/0/0/25 with knights armor would give more dps and group support than ah zerk.
Hmm that seems like an over-exaggeration but none the less it’s not what I asked.
I asked why are you using knights in YOUR build when you could simply use all zerk.
I use full zerk myself and encourage people to do the same. I labeled that as main set. I labeled the knight set as a starter set, back up (if pugs are failing hard), or for the few tactics I listed for fractals. I realize that not everyone will be capable of running this at their current level of play so I put knights in there as an option for new/struggling players. It’s a good option for those people until they make their way to full zerk.
Ok. That’s all I was wondering.
Anyway, running the knights will give you more dps, group support, and practice running an optimal build than AH. AH isn’t absolutely awful for gs + sword/focus builds since you have points to spare for MoC and blind/vuln spam still with 0/15/30/0/10 and points to spare. It just isn’t optimal in any way and no point in runningit. For hammer though it isn’t viable since you lose too much.
Question, why would knights give you more dps? If dps is what you want why not just go full zerk?
20/25/0/0/25 with knights armor would give more dps and group support than ah zerk.
Hmm that seems like an over-exaggeration but none the less it’s not what I asked.
I asked why are you using knights in YOUR build when you could simply use all zerk.
I use full zerk myself and encourage people to do the same. I labeled that as main set. I labeled the knight set as a starter set, back up (if pugs are failing hard and your struggling with the full zerk on), or for the few tactics I listed for fractals. I realize that not everyone will be capable of running this at their current level of play so I put knights in there as an option for new/struggling players. It’s a good option for those people until they make their way to full zerk.
I still think for starters Soldier are better than Knights. Keeps the same power, gain power toughness tha zerker and vit. precision is important for crit but none of the starts used needs crit for activation
Phask - Guardian/DH | Phaskk - Warrior | Phaask - Revenant
When I read your arguments about scholar runes being bad, I facepalmed. Being in pug teams doesn’t cause your dodge key to unbind itself, it has little to no effect on your own ability for self-preservation. I have scholar runes on my 5 80s fitted with zerkers, and I don’t have a problem keeping the bonus active most of the time.
A remnant of times past.
“Memories are nice, but that’s all they are.”
“Memories are nice, but that’s all they are.”
Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
I actually pug and gear check and have perfect runs with people in full scholar/zerk running the correct builds without voice com pretty regularly. I have no idea what you get these assumptions.
Being able succeed in a run while having scholar runes doesn’t mean you’ve actually managed to take advantage of the 6 pc 10% damage bonus enough to make it worth having over for example ruby orbs if dps is what you are after.
Fact is pugs are terrible sometimes, and maintaining 90%+ hp in a bad pug in high lvl fractals is near impossible.
This is so hilariously bad IDK even where to go. Anyways somebody else did the math: scholar runes is superior to the next best option if you can keep your health above 90 percent for about half of the fight. Not a hard bar to meet even in a terribad pug since most tough fights tend to be 90+ or downed in zerk gear. If you are good enough to avoid being downed in zerk, you are good enough to be at 90+. Personally in all dungeons group I run in this is a trivial issue. I pug nearly all of the runs I make, 6-10 runs a night, not always the easy farm ones either. I don’t normally fractal with pugs, but I have guild mates who do and they have no problems running scholars on squishier classes than guard at high level fracts (40+). If you are in a bad pug in a high fractal, its much better for your state of mind and time to either bail or gear check before hand to see if they pass the 101 level threshold of knowing the game.
Your philosophy towards building expecting failure also prevents you from capitalizing on success. Fatalism often invites failure.
Scholar is better than ruby orbs if you can keep above 90% for 24% of the fight. Which isnt hard. But if you cant manage that then you should use ranger runes. Ruby orbs are just bad.
Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
I actually pug and gear check and have perfect runs with people in full scholar/zerk running the correct builds without voice com pretty regularly. I have no idea what you get these assumptions.
Being able succeed in a run while having scholar runes doesn’t mean you’ve actually managed to take advantage of the 6 pc 10% damage bonus enough to make it worth having over for example ruby orbs if dps is what you are after.
Fact is pugs are terrible sometimes, and maintaining 90%+ hp in a bad pug in high lvl fractals is near impossible.
I can’t find the math, but it works out to do more dps if you have 24% uptime on over 90% health. I’d appreciate if someone could link to it. Is it so unreasonable to be able to keep your health over 90% for 1/4 of the fight?
These little 10% multipliers really add up. If it’s just one or two you may not see much of a difference, but if you max them out you will see a huge difference. On the meta, there is a potential of 60% in multipliers. (Fiery Wrath, Powerful Blades, Radiant Power, Power of the Virtuous, Superior Runes of the Scholar, Superior Sigil of Force and Superior Sigil of the Night)
In context, that means if you you hit for 3000 on an attack for example with no multipliers, you would be dealing 4800 with them. If each party member had 40% it’s like bringing 2 extra people into the dungeon.
Running AH requires you to drop either support or multipliers. Tradeoff with dps for survivability. However, it’s generally unnecessary on most dungeons unless you or your party is unfamiliar with the content.
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Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
I actually pug and gear check and have perfect runs with people in full scholar/zerk running the correct builds without voice com pretty regularly. I have no idea what you get these assumptions.
Being able succeed in a run while having scholar runes doesn’t mean you’ve actually managed to take advantage of the 6 pc 10% damage bonus enough to make it worth having over for example ruby orbs if dps is what you are after.
Fact is pugs are terrible sometimes, and maintaining 90%+ hp in a bad pug in high lvl fractals is near impossible.
I can’t find the math, but it works out to do more dps if you have 24% uptime on over 90% health. I’d appreciate if someone could link to it. Is it so unreasonable to be able to keep your health over 90% for 1/4 of the fight?
These little 10% multipliers really add up. If it’s just one or two you may not see much of a difference, but if you max them out you will see a huge difference. On the meta, there is a potential of 60% in multipliers. (Fiery Wrath, Powerful Blades, Radiant Power, Power of the Virtuous, Superior Runes of the Scholar, Superior Sigil of Force and Superior Sigil of the Night)
In context, that means if you you hit for 3000 on an attack for example with no multipliers, you would be dealing 4800 with them. If each party member had 40% it’s like bringing 2 extra people into the dungeon.
Running AH requires you to drop either support or multipliers. Tradeoff with dps for survivability. However, it’s generally unnecessary on most dungeons unless you or your party is unfamiliar with the content.
Your forgot Zealous Blade so it’s 65 and will be 75 after the crit damage changes since 2 handed weapons will be able to have 2 Sigils so GS will have Sigil of Force and Night
Phask - Guardian/DH | Phaskk - Warrior | Phaask - Revenant
Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
I actually pug and gear check and have perfect runs with people in full scholar/zerk running the correct builds without voice com pretty regularly. I have no idea what you get these assumptions.
Being able succeed in a run while having scholar runes doesn’t mean you’ve actually managed to take advantage of the 6 pc 10% damage bonus enough to make it worth having over for example ruby orbs if dps is what you are after.
Fact is pugs are terrible sometimes, and maintaining 90%+ hp in a bad pug in high lvl fractals is near impossible.
I can’t find the math, but it works out to do more dps if you have 24% uptime on over 90% health. I’d appreciate if someone could link to it. Is it so unreasonable to be able to keep your health over 90% for 1/4 of the fight?
These little 10% multipliers really add up. If it’s just one or two you may not see much of a difference, but if you max them out you will see a huge difference. On the meta, there is a potential of 60% in multipliers. (Fiery Wrath, Powerful Blades, Radiant Power, Power of the Virtuous, Superior Runes of the Scholar, Superior Sigil of Force and Superior Sigil of the Night)
In context, that means if you you hit for 3000 on an attack for example with no multipliers, you would be dealing 4800 with them. If each party member had 40% it’s like bringing 2 extra people into the dungeon.
Running AH requires you to drop either support or multipliers. Tradeoff with dps for survivability. However, it’s generally unnecessary on most dungeons unless you or your party is unfamiliar with the content.
Your forgot Zealous Blade so it’s 65 and will be 75 after the crit damage changes since 2 handed weapons will be able to have 2 Sigils so GS will have Sigil of Force and Night
I used Powerful Blades for the one handed sword which is a 10% damage bonus over Zealous Blade that’s only a 5% bonus. So it would be down to 55% with Zealous Blade, seeing as I already worked the two sigils in there wouldn’t be another increase.
Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
I actually pug and gear check and have perfect runs with people in full scholar/zerk running the correct builds without voice com pretty regularly. I have no idea what you get these assumptions.
Being able succeed in a run while having scholar runes doesn’t mean you’ve actually managed to take advantage of the 6 pc 10% damage bonus enough to make it worth having over for example ruby orbs if dps is what you are after.
Fact is pugs are terrible sometimes, and maintaining 90%+ hp in a bad pug in high lvl fractals is near impossible.
I can’t find the math, but it works out to do more dps if you have 24% uptime on over 90% health. I’d appreciate if someone could link to it. Is it so unreasonable to be able to keep your health over 90% for 1/4 of the fight?
These little 10% multipliers really add up. If it’s just one or two you may not see much of a difference, but if you max them out you will see a huge difference. On the meta, there is a potential of 60% in multipliers. (Fiery Wrath, Powerful Blades, Radiant Power, Power of the Virtuous, Superior Runes of the Scholar, Superior Sigil of Force and Superior Sigil of the Night)
In context, that means if you you hit for 3000 on an attack for example with no multipliers, you would be dealing 4800 with them. If each party member had 40% it’s like bringing 2 extra people into the dungeon.
Running AH requires you to drop either support or multipliers. Tradeoff with dps for survivability. However, it’s generally unnecessary on most dungeons unless you or your party is unfamiliar with the content.
Your forgot Zealous Blade so it’s 65 and will be 75 after the crit damage changes since 2 handed weapons will be able to have 2 Sigils so GS will have Sigil of Force and Night
I used Powerful Blades for the one handed sword which is a 10% damage bonus over Zealous Blade that’s only a 5% bonus. So it would be down to 55% with Zealous Blade, seeing as I already worked the two sigils in there wouldn’t be another increase.
???
The meta has both, the meta is 20/25/0/0/25
Phask - Guardian/DH | Phaskk - Warrior | Phaask - Revenant
Nobody is asking you to play the meta; however, your comments result in being misleading for new players and a waste of time for experienced players. You are really arguing against facts which have been proven in many ways (as much as a game without addons allow).
e.g. I also had problems in playing Scholar runes, but that was not due to the fact that the runes were not the optimal choice for PvE DPS
For the 100th time one of my guardians IS playing the meta build. Do you people even bother to read or do you just jump at anything that questions the sacred “meta” build which you all mindlessly worship? It’s like I’m trying to reason with a bunch of rabid Bieber fangirls.
I understood that you weren’t playing Scholar runes, hence not playing the meta.
Anyway, I tried to be constructive, but it really seems you just want to feed the argument for the sake of it. For this reason, I am out.
Scholar runes only work if you are in a well coordinated team where you can maintain your hp. Otherwise for dps purposes even ruby orbs are better.
You see the difference between you and I is that while I saw this discrepancy in practice and adjusted for it you mindlessly copycat, follow, and defend it.
Since this comment was totally uncalled for, I will just add that you do not know how I got to play the meta build. Your “seeing the discrepancy and adapting to it” seems more an excuse than anything else.
So, just to be clear, it seems to me that the difference between you and I is that I learned to play the optimal meta build, You did not.
Peace.
Nope, you’re just mindlessly copycatting a rune setup that works well only in well coordinated chat enabled teams and mistakenly thinking it will work better in all situations.
Conversely as I’ve stated I realized this limitation and made adjustments so that it will work well in all situations including pugs and other disorganized teams. So the difference between you and I is that I actually learned to play while you learned to copy.
Class dismissed.
I actually pug and gear check and have perfect runs with people in full scholar/zerk running the correct builds without voice com pretty regularly. I have no idea what you get these assumptions.
Being able succeed in a run while having scholar runes doesn’t mean you’ve actually managed to take advantage of the 6 pc 10% damage bonus enough to make it worth having over for example ruby orbs if dps is what you are after.
Fact is pugs are terrible sometimes, and maintaining 90%+ hp in a bad pug in high lvl fractals is near impossible.
I can’t find the math, but it works out to do more dps if you have 24% uptime on over 90% health. I’d appreciate if someone could link to it. Is it so unreasonable to be able to keep your health over 90% for 1/4 of the fight?
These little 10% multipliers really add up. If it’s just one or two you may not see much of a difference, but if you max them out you will see a huge difference. On the meta, there is a potential of 60% in multipliers. (Fiery Wrath, Powerful Blades, Radiant Power, Power of the Virtuous, Superior Runes of the Scholar, Superior Sigil of Force and Superior Sigil of the Night)
In context, that means if you you hit for 3000 on an attack for example with no multipliers, you would be dealing 4800 with them. If each party member had 40% it’s like bringing 2 extra people into the dungeon.
Running AH requires you to drop either support or multipliers. Tradeoff with dps for survivability. However, it’s generally unnecessary on most dungeons unless you or your party is unfamiliar with the content.
Your forgot Zealous Blade so it’s 65 and will be 75 after the crit damage changes since 2 handed weapons will be able to have 2 Sigils so GS will have Sigil of Force and Night
I used Powerful Blades for the one handed sword which is a 10% damage bonus over Zealous Blade that’s only a 5% bonus. So it would be down to 55% with Zealous Blade, seeing as I already worked the two sigils in there wouldn’t be another increase.
???
The meta has both, the meta is 20/25/0/0/25
Only one of the two can be used tallying up total % because you can only have one of the weapons out at a time. Point being you can’t raise the total over 60%.
edited to include powerful blades:
Just butting in for the sake of clarity and being nitpicky, but the damage modifiers are multiplicative so it ends up being:
(scholar, fiery wrath, radiant power, powerful blades unscathed contender, power of the virtuous assuming max boons, sigil of force or dungeon/time/monster specific)
1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.2 * 1.09 * 1.05 = 2.01
Or 201% damage modifier.
Assume crits with a baseline of 150% of damage and food/berserker alone puts you at an extra 89% crit damage
2.01 * 2.39 = 4.8
or 480% extra damage potential on crits?
201% and 480% extra damage is much more than doing it additive.
If you did then it would be about 74% on non-crits and 440% on crits, if I did that right?
Someone clarify if I did that wrong because I got slammed for doing it additive before and was corrected.
so 3000 damage before modifier and 6030 damage after. 14400 if it is a crit.
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I’ve never really done the math out so I’m not sure of the formula. From what I always figured the damage multipliers were worked in at the end after the critical damage. Interesting to know that the multipliers are multiplied one at a time though and not in bulk, making them even more effective.
100 × 1.5 = 150
100 × 1.1 × 1.1 x 1.1 × 1.1 × 1.1 = 165.051
So earlier when I thought a 60% damage multiplier on 3000 would do 4800, it actually does 5338.86. Making each multiplier that more valuable over wasting trait points.
(feel free to correct any of the assumptions in math I’ve made)
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I gotta say, I can’t use the meta, I can’t get used to it. kitten I recognize that is good, the best PvE build that I’ve used in Guardian, but the PvE I do is not enough to use it well. The only bosses I know pretty well are the CoF and AC ones and even in those I miss most blinds and block at the important moves.
The meta is the best, way better than any AH build, but I think is too much of an elite build in PvE, and so the meta IMO is not worth taken if I don’t focus on PvE. Now to any Guard focused on PvE only, meta all the way, you shouldn’t even consider other build than that but for those who aren’t I don’t see how it is useful since I’m not focus 100% on PvE and so I will not take the time and the atention needed to get pro in PvE. This is why I’ll problably not go further than lvl 30 at fractals, but if I do as I only do them once in a while I will switch for the meta there, since highler lvl players problably also use their metas for that.
So to anyone who hate AH. Keep hating. That will not make the AH user change their builds just like to those who hate meta will not make the meta users change theirs.
Phask - Guardian/DH | Phaskk - Warrior | Phaask - Revenant
If you’re dying with a GS meta build, run a hammer meta build.
AH is a subpar option either way, it’s just a crappy regen. It’s like having the warrior’s healing signet except it’s only active when you have a symbol down and everyone is standing in it.
Your philosophy towards building expecting failure also prevents you from capitalizing on success. Fatalism often invites failure.
Building expecting failure of team is the only intellectually honest thing to do in pugs because you can’t control the builds of your teammates, only yourself. Why use a rune setup that works wonderful a small portion of the time due to bad pugs when you can use a rune setup that works decently 100% of the time.
Consistency in success is not failure.
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You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
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You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
I am curious about that. For those advertising the Meta build, who viable is it if you are grouped with mostly only ever PUGs and lets just assume that each member of all PUGs is running the LEAST optimal build? Does the Meta build have enough sustain to survive through much longer fights or will they eventually run out of steam?
If you’re dying with a GS meta build, run a hammer meta build.
AH is a subpar option either way, it’s just a crappy regen. It’s like having the warrior’s healing signet except it’s only active when you have a symbol down and everyone is standing in it.
It may be crap buuild but it is my build. What I work best with. Even if I do more damage with the meta, I die much more and believe me with pugs if you die to much and in key parts of the dgn you will be kicked no matter the build you are running. Also for personal experience the meta is not worth it with pugs, at least the dgns I do. I don’t do all I mainly focus on CoF and AC and at least in CoF there is only 1 part in both path 1 and 2 where ppl sometimes stack, and sometimes is very rare, so there goes my support with Concecrations down the drain. Also AH shouts 2 Shouts is more than enough so I can still run 1 Concecration all the time, 2 if needed since the most important shout is Stand Your Ground. I really don’t care what you say anymore, bash AH say whatever you want about AH, the truth is, while being sub-optimal, is still viable for PvE, but ONLY casual PvE, like what I do.
I also didn’t did my Guard to be Squishy as paper so Meta is defenitly not my style.
Phask - Guardian/DH | Phaskk - Warrior | Phaask - Revenant
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
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You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
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You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
You really have yet to demonstrate anything other than indignation. I don’t think it’s appropriate for this thread.
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You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
You really have yet to demonstrate anything other than indignation.
It’s really not my fault if you choose to not read the arguments presented to you and pretend they are not there.
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
You really have yet to demonstrate anything other than indignation.
It’s really not my fault if you choose to not read the arguments presented to you and pretend they are not there.
It’s best not to entertain bad arguments.
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
You really have yet to demonstrate anything other than indignation.
It’s really not my fault if you choose to not read the arguments presented to you and pretend they are not there.
It’s best not to entertain bad arguments.
Except his premise was that I had no arguments, and while whether or not my argument was good or bad can be debated upon the assertion that I had no arguments is wrong on its face.
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
You really have yet to demonstrate anything other than indignation.
It’s really not my fault if you choose to not read the arguments presented to you and pretend they are not there.
It’s best not to entertain bad arguments.
Except his premise was that I had no arguments, and while whether or not my argument was good or bad can be debated upon the assertion that I had no arguments is wrong on its face.
I..I think I just broke someone. >_>
You contribute to part of that failure. Much like a man who causes what happens in his future simply because he saw it.
Wrong. Having consistent success with something that is works 100% of the time over taking a gamble and having something that sometimes works better and sometimes fails is NOT failure. You are the one contributing to any failures because failures only have a chance of happening in YOUR system.
That poor caps lock key.
Also simply typing ‘Wrong’ isn’t really convincing me. If you think you are having ‘success’ by running a subpar build and not contributing as much as you could be then be my guest. I could run dungeons naked and be successful because the rest of my team is carrying. Just for the love of ‘Dwayna’ stay out of my parties.
I caps locked a grand total of 2 words for emphasis lol. Over react much? Maybe that’s the only thing you can attack me on because you literally don’t have any valid arguments left?
And I don’t really care about convincing you actually because you’ve already made up your mind regardless of facts. I’m not just saying you’re wrong as I’ve already demonstrated exactly where your argument fails. I’m just presenting the facts to open minded people here so they don’t fall for your narrow minded argument.
You really have yet to demonstrate anything other than indignation.
It’s really not my fault if you choose to not read the arguments presented to you and pretend they are not there.
It’s best not to entertain bad arguments.
Except his premise was that I had no arguments, and while whether or not my argument was good or bad can be debated upon the assertion that I had no arguments is wrong on its face.
I..I think I just broke someone. >_>
Um.. ok whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess.
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