Guild Wars 2

Alright, well even if you don’t believe me, the fact that mace/shield is one of the most popular sets for guardians apparently means nothing?

I don’t mind discussion, I just don’t want this to lead to ANet doing something goofy like buffing the shield.

FoopOplo.7914:

Alright, well even if you don’t believe me, the fact that mace/shield is one of the most popular sets for guardians apparently means nothing?

I don’t mind discussion, I just don’t want this to lead to ANet doing something goofy like buffing the shield.

They can be using it for cosmetic purposes. But its definitely not the best set. Mace is alright..its a bit sluggish. But shield in its current state isn’t great for the reasons mentioned in this thread.

wat? mace is a trash weapon in dungeons.

Mace is next to maybe hammer when to comes to tanking and kiting in dungeons. It definitely has it’s place though.

FoopOplo.7914:

Mace is next to maybe hammer when to comes to tanking and kiting in dungeons. It definitely has it’s place though.

Yes, but most people don’t tank in dungeons because you don’t need it. And note, its not to discredit people who enjoy setting their characters up to be tanky and support oriented.

Its all about killing as fast as possible while being mindful of when to dodge.

If you want my opinion, mace needs a buff. Its very slow. Symbol of Faith has a 1sec cast time, faithful strike (3rd chain hit) has a 1 sec cast time. Those two along make mace a very sluggish weapon. Not to mention, faithful strike isn’t even a aoe cleave its single target.

If symbol of faith cast time was reduced to 1/4 like symbol of wrath. Faithful strike changed to hit three targets and cast time reduced to 1/2. I’d say mace would be in a very good spot.

Protector strike is ok, but it could use some tweaks. Like the ability to detonate it to get the prot boon at will. And maybe a more punishing effect for someone being hit by the counter attack.

I think that’s part of the reason we disagree. You seem to be much more offensive. I don’t believe guardians specialize in killing as fast as possible and relying entirely on dodges to survive.

I have a few guildies that play more like what it sounds like you do. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that’s why mace works better for my build.

I’m guessing you have more trait points specced into Zeal and/or Radiance then Valor, Honor, or Virtues?

Guardians have all kind of damage mitigation. VoJ Blind(Constantly refiled on kill), Focus 4 blind, Retreat block, VoC block, Focus #5 blocks(3 of em!), Dodging, and a heal that blocks!

Guardians are defensive even when using their most offensive setups. We just built that way.

@FoopOplo

Foop… We aren’t saying that the shield is useless etc. ….
Otherwise nobody would use it ,
what you’re saying that all do not understand anything because they aren’t intelligent .

What you say , that the shield must be played intelligently is pretty much just play with 2 situational skills to be played properly require timing … Now I do not think any other weapon of this game and even the aforementioned shield is designed to be used in a manner so meticulous and in this way .

Apart from that I see much more useful than the staff than a shield (for might and for the heal)

As for pvp I think an item , it may be useful, with skills with so much CD are daunting.

So that’s why I believe this topic was born , to make sure that other people may be planning to use the shield …

WVW use ? shield ? now would you compare to me the shield with the staff in WVW ? Anyone who has a guardian with experience in WVW think that the staff is one of things to never take off, except if you play with the sword or scepter …

I wish that the shield will be not situational or saved for some cases , I would like that the shield had all the possibility of being used in an optimal way everywhere and that there is a doubt in the minds of the players that if you want to use the staff or shield

Deathmond.7328:

shield is most horrible offhand for guardian or warrior in this game. Guardian can`t block with shield…it`s like a stupid joke lol…

Stice.5204:

I think it really is bizarre that we can block with a focus but not with a shield.

Celtus.8456:

Really would be nice to actually ‘block’ with the shield (not counting the few projectiles we can absorb currently).

What you guys are missing is the Guardian already has a block it can use with any weapon.

Wolfheart.1938:

I think shield is perfectly fine as it is for anything PvP-related.

I Agree. Not every weapon/skill/trait has to be played in every game mode.

Finnway.2183:

Deathmond.7328:

shield is most horrible offhand for guardian or warrior in this game. Guardian can`t block with shield…it`s like a stupid joke lol…

Stice.5204:

I think it really is bizarre that we can block with a focus but not with a shield.

Celtus.8456:

Really would be nice to actually ‘block’ with the shield (not counting the few projectiles we can absorb currently).

What you guys are missing is the Guardian already has a block it can use with any weapon.

Wolfheart.1938:

I think shield is perfectly fine as it is for anything PvP-related.

I Agree. Not every weapon/skill/trait has to be played in every game mode.

I agree with what you are saying about giving the shield block. But I disagree with what you are saying about how shield is fine as it is.

If that is true, then they might as well make it a pvp weapon only. Get what I’m saying? If it has no use in pve then it might as well not be there. The reality is shield is so situational that its only useful in one game mode. That should show one how good of a design it is.

There are a bunch of neat things they can do with the shield. For skill 4 they could increase the damage significantly or add a form of CC to it. Interrupts, daze, cripple and so forth.

Skill 5 could have a condition removal added to it, remove three conditions and heal when it detonates.

Redscope.6215:

Galtrix.7369:

I use the shield, and it’s fine for now. Later on, I’d like to see some of your changes implemented though. I only use the mace/shield combo because my guardian is built to heal/protect/regenerate health and endurance.

You’re using the shield to heal, protect, and regen? You’d be better off with a Focus.

Probably, but skill number 4 gives protection, which I really like, and skill number 5 makes it so I can push enemies away from allies and give myself time to slap down a health regen symbol for my allies to stand in. I don’t know, it just fits my playstyle I suppose.

Guardian`s shield need some love! Give to us blast finisher and aegis buff – shield must block attacks!

I’m satisfied with Shield of Absorption (#5), in fact I like it so much have it traited in Honor to pop everytime I’m reviving someone. But I always run around with my focus because Shield # 4 is useless I mean, has that skill ever saved someone from something? Changed the course of a battle? It’s just a frontal fart that gives protection (duration scales down in pvp on top of everything) and hits for really low dmg.

Shield #4 needs some rethinking, mixing offense and defense in 1 skill didn’t work. It’s horrible and I have a Guild Tower shield that goes along with my Roman Legionnaire themed Guardian but I can’t use it because of that useless skill.