We ask for range buffs but.... we get nerfed...
I don’t see the cause-effect your title seems to imply.
Anyway, reducing duration on skills is likely to be easier than changing the Scepter’s abilities. Because they can’t just be easily buffed.
We don’t even know whether Arenanet considers our situation as problematic and if we do, we don’t have any idea how high it is on the priority list.
“Come on, hit me!”
I have never had a need for a ranged weapon in WvW. I leave that up to the rangers/engineers/etc in my group. When in a stalemate, I’ll provide support by throwing down wall of reflection and spewing all sorts of boons out to my allies. When it’s time to push in, I’m right alongside the warriors and thieves rushing in.
That being said, if you’re looking for a range buff, guardian may not be the right class for you. We have plenty of other things to do besides plink away with a rifle/bow.
I’d rather let arenanet take its time to test out certain changes(im sure they’re looking at the issue) before they roll out buffs for us. The last thing i want is to get buffed immediately, only to be nerfed into oblivion in the next patch due to massive outcries of guardian being OP.
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It’s not on the priority list because we’re bad and not using the weapon as intended, which is on afk targets or in melee range.
Alistat the White-Guardian, Edenwolf-Thief, Grimtech Jones-Necro Borlis Pass
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Voltric, didn’t I already pointed out (to you) that that’s not a good argument? Each profession should be viable in every “role”. Range is such a role.
“Come on, hit me!”
yea i understand that guardians have other roles as well i totally understand that but sitting at a gate keep pounding on a door is lame.. sure i could sit back in the back with my staff and my thumb up my butt healing everyone sure but i dont get rewarded for doing that.. yea i could pull out my greatsword and go beat on the gate keep door but some how i get shot threw the door by aoes from the enemys i could see if they were above me shooting down but theres a freaking door there why am i getting shot threw it.. so if i want to kill anything i have to sit in the back out of the way of the door shooting and throw my slow balls at enemys on the top or throw them at the door which in its self is almost pointless cause hiting the door for what 40dmg is lame…
Ynna.8769
Voltric, didn’t I already pointed out (to you) that that’s not a good argument? Each profession should be viable in every “role”. Range is such a role.
“Come on, hit me!”
October 02, 2012 15:13
This is not true, else all the other classes would be complaining about not having the ability to run a “support” build like Guardians can. Not every class is meant to be equal on every part. If you want a “Ranged Role” then roll a class that support that play style.
Guardians are not one of them.
@Ynna
Does that mean that thieves should be viable in providing boons/heals in a support role? Conversely, should we be able to shadowstep and stealth? I fail to see your point. The argument can go with both ways, and is pointless to continue. Instead of complaining that we have a lack of ranged weapons, why not use that time to try to come up with alternatives?I’m trying to provide other options for people to use.
For example, wall of reflection set up at the right moment can deal an absurd amout of dps back at the enemy. Sure, it’s on a pretty long cooldown, but it’s worth it. You save your allies from damage, and deal 100% of the damage back at your opponents.
@Paladin
My sentiments exactly.
look its fine if they dont want to give us a ranged roll i wouldnt care if we had a decent snare or root…. to keep “ranged” classes from kiting us all day long. it would just be easier to fixed our “ranged” weapon then add new skills for rooting for pvp cause it would only be a pvp ability and the “ranged” weapon could be for both pvp an pve
@ Voltric
We dont have a lack of ranged weapons.. i personally dont want a bow or gun.. im saying fix our ranged weapon in so it is viable in pvp “scepter”
@Wobels
I run Greatsword(w/ hydromancy rune), a 1h sword/focus, and judges intervention if I know i’m going to be doing some chasing. 3 gap closers plus a 3sec aoe chill usually stops people from getting away from me, unless they’re a thief; then…nobody can catch them :/
Edit: I’ll admit, our only option of a ranged weapon sucks. HARD. That’s why i try to work around it, via gap closers/other forms of cc.
Ynna.8769
Voltric, didn’t I already pointed out (to you) that that’s not a good argument? Each profession should be viable in every “role”. Range is such a role.
“Come on, hit me!”October 02, 2012 15:13
This is not true, else all the other classes would be complaining about not having the ability to run a “support” build like Guardians can. Not every class is meant to be equal on every part. If you want a “Ranged Role” then roll a class that support that play style.
Guardians are not one of them.
This is a bit of a straw man. I think the confusion comes from the use of the word “role.” You could argue that your ‘role’ is Support (and even that makes me chafe—support isn’t a role, but more of a playstyle) but “range” is not a role.
Range is an element of gameplay. In GW2, Range is a particularly important element of gameplay. Several (perhaps even most) PVE encounters, especially in dungeons, tremendously benefit the player who can stay at 900-1200 range. This is to say nothing of WvWvW or sPVP, where being at range constitutes a sound tactical advantage.
I don’t think there’s a single Guardian on the forums seriously asking to be a powerful ranged class. We have a ranged weapon—Scepter—and I imagine most of us would be perfectly happy with a few minor tweaks that let us: 1. Actually improve Scepters via traits and 2. Improve responsiveness and attack speed. Right now, I can outrun my own Scepter projectile. That seems a little pointless for what is essentially our only 900-1200 weapon.
I agree with OP. sadly Anet for how i see them working things out it works like this.
1. if you are a guardian and you QQ about our class = clasified as QQing move along nothing to see here.
2.if you are NOT a guardian and you QQ about the class and manage to go viral on your QQ = Anet will do as you say.
10secs Ret to 3? LAWLFEST
Good thing soon my Anet’s paladin will be 80. (warrior)
Speaking of projectile speed, I’d be more than happy if they just increased the projectile speed by 50%. Any faster and I feel like it would constitute to too much dps, especially at the speed we spam it at.
@Paladin, @Voltric: I’m not asking for ranged capabilities on par with Rangers. (I don’t argue for this issue for personal reasons, because I find myself, against expectations, enjoying melee a lot.)Only for viable ranged capabilities.
Each profession can do support (looking at the skills and traits), just not in the way that Guardians do it. Guardians are the only profession without viable long-range.
To elaborate on Thieves: Thieves can’t provide support in the same way that Guardians can (boons and heals), but they can share their poisons (increasing damage) and give AoE-stealth (and maybe more). If a profession has no way of actually supporting the team, that would be an equally big issue and I’d be arguing in favor of giving them viable support.
“Come on, hit me!”
Sorry, double post.
I’ll elaborate further by saying that if we’re not intended for ranged combat, they should rework the Scepter for melee combat.
“Come on, hit me!”
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just put a lot of crit on your scepter and concentrate on ranged burning
Guardians were already absurdly weak at range, unlike every other class. Staff badly needed a range increase.
What happened instead?
Retaliation, one of our few ways of doing damage while trying to be supporty, received a huge nerf. And staff got even worse.
You are all wrong to say that “Ranged” is a role. It is not a role it is a method of attacking. All professions except the Guardian have a viable ranged method to attack. Different classes are better suited for different roles or preform the role differently but they all have the option to take the role as needed.
The “roles” in this game are Tank, Support, Damage. Every profession can do those three roles. Mesmers and Thieves might use Stealth and evasion whereas Warrior, Guardians and even Elementalists can absorb more hits when preforming the Tank role but every class can still fill the role. Please remember support it not all about healing or boons it is also about conditions and control skills. So those of you thinking that Thieves cannot support are simply ignorant to what support really is.
Elementalist: Tank – Earth/Water, Support – Water/Arcane, Damage – Fire/Air
Warrior: Tank – Defense/Tactics, Support – Tactics/Defense, Damage – Strength/Arms/Discipline
Thief: Tank – Shadow Arms/Acrobatics, Support – Trickery/Shadow Arts, Damage – Deadly Arts/Critical Strikes
Necromancer: Tank – Death Magic/Blood Magic/Soul Reaping, Support – Blood Magic/Death Magic, Damage – Spite/Curses
Mesmer: Tank – Chaos/Dueling, Support – Inspiration/Illusions, Damage – Domination/Dueling
Ranger: Tank – Nature Magic/Wilderness Survival, Support – Nature Magic/Beastmastery, Damage – Marksmanship/Skirmishing
Engineer: Tank – Alchemy/Inventions, Support – Alchemy/Inventions/Tools, Damage – Explosives/Firearms
Guardian – Tank -Valor/Honor, Support – Honor/Vitality/Virtues, Damage- Zeal/Radiance/Virtues