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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

That’s right folks! Mesmer is viable once again! This build completely plays into the strengths Mesmer brings on the battlefield and gets the most out of a Mesmer in the current Meta.

The Build

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAsdWlknpSt1qxBNMrRysBZySkhT/iY8SUFlSFAA-TJhBwAAOBAhLDYc/hEPAAA

Traits

Desperate Decoy: Self explanatory really. Now when that s/x thief comes in to gank you, he’ll have to wait an extra 3 seconds before you blow all your cooldowns only for him to still be on you cleaving you to death. That extra 3 seconds will greatly slowdown the oppositions thief!

Retaliatory Demise & Chaotic Revival: These two traits synergise incredibly well in the current meta! Imagine the horror of that engineer who just used Incendiary Powder or that thief who used steal/larcenous strike when they start taking a fraction of the damage they put out on you once your downed! It may not sound like much at first, but keep in mind, you will spend the majority of the match in downstate = 100% uptime on retal!

Medics Feedback: This really is a multi use skill. It will stop you ticking death from being unable to clear pindown bleeds and also provide you with a nice bubble effect so you can jump around and roleplay on the sides while the warriors on your team be twice as efficient through spamming one.

Wardens Feedback: I’ve chosen to take Wardens feedback so that our iWarden no longer reflects projectiles. This is important in getting us into downstate so we can really put out our max dps capabilities!

Disrupters Sustainment: I don’t even know how else to say it; this grandmaster trait is incredible! That nicely timed interrupt on a game without cast bars you just pulled off? Now you can heal an extra 200-300 base hp! Absolutely amazing and well worth the grandmaster slot.

Runes & Sigils

Rune of speed: That’s right! For just the trade off of a full 6 set of runes we are able to move at the same speed as every other class!

Soldiers Amulet: Let’s be honest, it’s not like the high risk high reward zerker style matches up too bunkers spamming in PvT.

Thanks for reading guys! I can chuck a vid up later of the playstyle, I have to say my effectiveness for my team has gone up tenfold!
I hope to see more people running this build as it really makes the most out of a Mesmers situation in the current Meta! ^.^

PS: Vote for me Gamescom Allstar.

Daliriant, Dr Octogon [Champion Illusionist]
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Posted by: Daniel Handler.4816

Daniel Handler.4816

Get rid of the sigils and it will take longer for people to realise the farce This build is great, I love the synergy you get from sigil of chilling and chaos armour.

EDIT
Enough people have messaged me in game that i need to make this qualification.This build is a joke build. It is terrible and you should not play it. Do not waste money on disruptor sustainment, it is worse than a cigarette addiction.

“Kentigem”-chief. Born cycle of Dusk. Wyld Hunt:
Learn as much mending and medical info as possible so that it can be added to the Dream.
Become the first Chief of Mending and guide the newly awaken as well as those who want to learn.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

Top notch build. I can’t imagine how none of us thought of it before. You should be commended for your incredible contribution to the mesmer community!

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

This build is great, I love the synergy you get from sigil of chilling and chaos armour.

Thank you Daniel!
Originally I had renewal, but being unable to swap weapons while downed was severely hurting my outgoing healing.
There may still be a few tweaks, but I feel this build is exactly the revival Mesmers needed to become viable again!!

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

Top notch build. I can’t imagine how none of us thought of it before. You should be commended for your incredible contribution to the mesmer community!

Thank you Fay, really means a lot!
I personally commend myself plenty and will do my best to make sure others do too!

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Posted by: Warlord of Chaos.7845

Warlord of Chaos.7845

LOL I couldn’t stop laughing when I saw this. This build freaking needs a nerf tbh, its OP as hell.

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Posted by: skcamow.3527

skcamow.3527

While this build looks incredibly promising and one of the most inventive this forum has ever seen in capitalizing on our class’s increasing rate of down state, my whole lifetime could pass and I wouldn’t ever regret having missed seeing your impending video.

Thanks for sharing!

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

LOL I couldn’t stop laughing when I saw this. This build freaking needs a nerf tbh, its OP as hell.

I guess the build could be described as ‘OP’, but a much more reasonable and realistic response would be for anet to nerf Mesmers as a whole again, rather than this build.

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Posted by: NICENIKESHOE.7128

NICENIKESHOE.7128

Funny because today when I was PvPing I actually spent 25s in down state in a hotjoin. A necro was trying to res me and fear off opponent, and he timed just enough for me to use deception (downed skill 2) the second time. Plus my phantasms are still up so retaliation would’ve be a nice addition to the awesome “DPS” I had that time.

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

While this build looks incredibly promising and one of the most inventive this forum has ever seen in capitalizing on our class’s increasing rate of down state, my whole lifetime could pass and I wouldn’t ever regret having missed seeing your impending video.

Thanks for sharing!

Thank you! So much support here and I am very grateful!
This build will be effective without the video, but I can guarantee a video guide is worth continuously refreshing the page every 10 seconds until it’s up!

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Posted by: Swish.2463

Swish.2463

much sustain.

very synergy

so meta

wow

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Posted by: Tilah.3041

Tilah.3041

Looks fun and amazing! I may try this out tonight. Thank you for sharing.

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Posted by: Sergoros.4398

Sergoros.4398

Imho, this build is to cheesy. Its to easy to win with it.

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Posted by: Malakin.2809

Malakin.2809

Need a video showing this build in action!

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

Imho, this build is to cheesy. Its to easy to win with it.

On the contrary this is an incredibly high skillcap build, knowing when to use your downed split, summoning iRogue, stacking confusion with downed ‘1’. While it is undeniably a strong build you can always improve with it.

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

Need a video showing this build in action!

Currently editing through copious amounts of footage of me carrying my team with this build. It is hard to really get all the intricacies to fit inside a 5 minute video.

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Posted by: Sergoros.4398

Sergoros.4398

Imho, this build is to cheesy. Its to easy to win with it.

On the contrary this is an incredibly high skillcap build, knowing when to use your downed split, summoning iRogue, stacking confusion with downed ‘1’. While it is undeniably a strong build you can always improve with it.

Meh…Dunno… Most of the time u just lie there downed and enemys melt on your retaliation. Imagine this build in www. U can use downed food there. +100% hp and 20% dmg on top of it. Thats just to op. Mesmer can solo zergs with it.

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Posted by: Tilah.3041

Tilah.3041

Imho, this build is to cheesy. Its to easy to win with it.

On the contrary this is an incredibly high skillcap build, knowing when to use your downed split, summoning iRogue, stacking confusion with downed ‘1’. While it is undeniably a strong build you can always improve with it.

Meh…Dunno… Most of the time u just lie there downed and enemys melt on your retaliation. Imagine this build in www. U can use downed food there. +100% hp and 20% dmg on top of it. Thats just to op. Mesmer can solo zergs with it.

Isn’t that what everyone is trying to do with their profession?

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Posted by: Sergoros.4398

Sergoros.4398

Imho, this build is to cheesy. Its to easy to win with it.

On the contrary this is an incredibly high skillcap build, knowing when to use your downed split, summoning iRogue, stacking confusion with downed ‘1’. While it is undeniably a strong build you can always improve with it.

Meh…Dunno… Most of the time u just lie there downed and enemys melt on your retaliation. Imagine this build in www. U can use downed food there. +100% hp and 20% dmg on top of it. Thats just to op. Mesmer can solo zergs with it.

Isn’t that what everyone is trying to do with their profession?

Nah. They are no match for mesmer in this build.

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Posted by: Kaiyanwan.8521

Kaiyanwan.8521

I run this in PvE now.

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

I run this in PvE now.

It can work well in PvE although I’d suggest dropping Desperate Decoy and picking up glamor blinds; with the less frequent attacks in PvE the glamor blind on portal will often stay on a mob for its full duration without the mob being able to cleanse it with an attack. Some huuuge blind uptime to be had!!!

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Posted by: Curunen.8729

Curunen.8729

Desperate Decoy is OP.

I have a suggestion to improve your build – drop those 2 points in duelling (because critical infusion is also OP, even with your 9% crit chance) and put 4 points in illusions.

Take blinding befuddlement.

Drop staff and take scepter+pistol.

Swap Confusing Cry for Dazzling Glamours – because you do have portal after all.

That’s much more balanced.

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

Desperate Decoy is OP.

I have a suggestion to improve your build – drop those 2 points in duelling (because critical infusion is also OP, even with your 9% crit chance) and put 4 points in illusions.

Take blinding befuddlement.

Drop staff and take scepter+pistol.

Swap Confusing Cry for Dazzling Glamours – because you do have portal after all.

That’s much more balanced.

Dropping desperate decoy for Dazzling glamours would absolutely work, although I’m afraid your overlooking the most important function of the staff!
Before you go into down state, dropping a chaos storm will give you the interrupts needed to trigger your Disrupters sustainment meaning your bandage downed skill is so much stronger! This allows you to balance your downstate into a huge dps/boon generation/rapid healing mesmer of metaness!

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Posted by: Curunen.8729

Curunen.8729

Hmm, that is a very good point – I could not see up to that that high skill ceiling.

You’ve got to admit though phase retreat is too powerful when you aren’t downed, but I see you have tried to make the build more balanced by not traiting for a lower cooldown.

Excellent work!

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Posted by: Veruah.5302

Veruah.5302

I love where this build is going but I don’t understand why you have such a huge oversight in this build. I’m not trying to cause a rift here but I seriously question your SUPER META BUILD capabilities for not seeing this. I suggest we all make the following change:

Remove Desperate Decoy from Chaos and add 2 to Illusions, picking up Master of Misdirection. Our goal here is to get to downstate so we can unleash our devastating torrent of OP confusion blasts while sitting in permanent retaliation, punishing those foolish enough to assume we are actually in a bad spot. Desperate Decoy actually lengthens the time it takes get to downstate – there is absolutely NO synergy in that trait with this build’s theme.

I expect better from the mesmer community.

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Posted by: nearlight.3064

nearlight.3064

I don’t know how I could ever beat this build 1v1!

But I will say it faces extreme competition for a team slot from my guilds wvw ranger build that can be used in spvp. The circle of life trait (healing spring on down) seems like a much stronger team support choice and if you play your ranger right, you can give your team more water fields than any staff ele! This ranger build also comes with other goodies like oak heart salve and all the traits that are activated when your pet dies!

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

I love where this build is going but I don’t understand why you have such a huge oversight in this build. I’m not trying to cause a rift here but I seriously question your SUPER META BUILD capabilities for not seeing this. I suggest we all make the following change:

Remove Desperate Decoy from Chaos and add 2 to Illusions, picking up Master of Misdirection. Our goal here is to get to downstate so we can unleash our devastating torrent of OP confusion blasts while sitting in permanent retaliation, punishing those foolish enough to assume we are actually in a bad spot. Desperate Decoy actually lengthens the time it takes get to downstate – there is absolutely NO synergy in that trait with this build’s theme.

I expect better from the mesmer community.

A very bad oversight on my behalf, and I will update the original post accordingly, thanks for the tip!

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Posted by: Veruah.5302

Veruah.5302

No problem, Dalirant. I’ll be happy to share my super meta knowledge with you on future builds.

All hail the new downstate meta!

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Posted by: Fay.2735

Fay.2735

I’m very tempted to add this to the top of the build list with the title ‘The only viable build’ but I don’t think the humour would be appreciated by anyone other than us m3sm0rz… still funny well done

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Posted by: Curunen.8729

Curunen.8729

I’m very tempted to add this to the top of the build list with the title ‘The only viable build’ but I don’t think the humour would be appreciated by anyone other than us m3sm0rz… still funny well done

Do it – you know you want to.

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Posted by: Azo.5860

Azo.5860

maybe u should swap dueling to illu IX
and i couldnt get it why sigil of chili? any way

gj.. +1

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Posted by: Veruah.5302

Veruah.5302

sigil of chili?

The tastiest of all sigils.

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Posted by: LumAnth.5124

LumAnth.5124

See pic
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Attachments:

Sorry for the typos….
I’m usually typing on my phone

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Posted by: Azo.5860

Azo.5860

himm yumi yumi..

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Posted by: Curunen.8729

Curunen.8729

See pic
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That player obviously hasn’t faced a true OP build like the one in this thread yet.

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Posted by: LumAnth.5124

LumAnth.5124

See pic
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That player obviously hasn’t faced a true OP build like the one in this thread yet.

I must respectfully disagree!

This isn’t just OP. This is Over Over Powered.

Sorry for the typos….
I’m usually typing on my phone

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Posted by: MSFone.3026

MSFone.3026

LOL very funny, but also kind of sad. Bitter humor :-/ Instead of enjoying the class people are reduced to enjoying joking about how bad it is in spvp. I wonder how long this will go on for…

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

I’m very tempted to add this to the top of the build list with the title ‘The only viable build’ but I don’t think the humour would be appreciated by anyone other thkitten m3sm0rz… still funny well done

What a great idea!!
Perhaps add it with a little note warning newer players away from it because of the extremely high skill required in making it efficient?
It could even warrant its own subheading of ‘Downstate builds’

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

See pic
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That player obviously hasn’t faced a true OP build like the one in this thread yet.

I must respectfully disagree!

This isn’t just OP. This is Over Over Powered.

The player in the picture is indeed referring to this build, people tend to get mad and request nerfs when vsing certain ‘OP’ builds such as ’Dalirants super Meta Mesmer

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Posted by: Benjamin.8237

Benjamin.8237

Personally for this to fit into the high skill cap Mesmer PvP meta I would swap staff for an offhand torch.

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Posted by: Sergoros.4398

Sergoros.4398

Personally for this to fit into the high skill cap Mesmer PvP meta I would swap staff for an offhand torch.

Read the thread man. Staff is vital in this build. How else would he trigger his ultimate +300 healing power grandmaster trait?

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Posted by: Curunen.8729

Curunen.8729

Personally for this to fit into the high skill cap Mesmer PvP meta I would swap staff for an offhand torch.

Stealth is OP.

Surely you mean take off hand focus – after all, we are the masters of RNG so you want skills that may or may not work – unpredictability will wrong foot opponents and win the fight.

Edit: yes, despite staff being too powerful, it has a vital role in this build.

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Posted by: Wyrden.4713

Wyrden.4713

exactly this build we were waiting for, exactly this shows all the strong aspects of mesmer

i played this build in high end pvp! it was awesome! 5 thiefs were atking me, and guess what! i managed to portal away! portal gives us an insane amount of mobility!

rly , this build is .. awesome, needs to be stickied, i didnt even need a vid to understand ur build, i saw it all, i imagined it, imagined how it is to be played, this. this guys. this is the one build we were all waiting for.

this build made mesmer viable in high tier pvp again!

just my ytb channel

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Posted by: Calypso.2578

Calypso.2578

THIEVES STAND NO CHANCE NOW. I actually feel sorry for thieves. inb4 thousands of thieves request nerf.

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Posted by: Sandrox.9524

Sandrox.9524

Thank you sir.Thank you very much.

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Posted by: dude.2950

dude.2950

Omg this build… I don’t even know how to thank you. I can now run with zergs in wvw knowing all the loot bags I will get. I have yet to try it out in tpvp, now my main mesmer can finally join a group. Thank you kind sir.
I would recommend changing the title to something abit subtle, before it gets nerfed.

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Posted by: Sagat.3285

Sagat.3285

Whoah so this build works against all specs(condi,bunker….)

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

exactly this build we were waiting for, exactly this shows all the strong aspects of mesmer

i played this build in high end pvp! it was awesome! 5 thiefs were atking me, and guess what! i managed to portal away! portal gives us an insane amount of mobility!

rly , this build is .. awesome, needs to be stickied, i didnt even need a vid to understand ur build, i saw it all, i imagined it, imagined how it is to be played, this. this guys. this is the one build we were all waiting for.

this build made mesmer viable in high tier pvp again!

Yep, it’s true. The anet devs were aware what build I was running long ago, so I guess I am partly to blame for the gradual demise of other Mesmer builds that were effected in there attempt to nullify this build.

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

Whoah so this build works against all specs(condi,bunker….)

You bet! Literally has no weakness, although to get the most out of it, it will take some real skill plays.

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Posted by: Neptune.2570

Neptune.2570

Omg this build… I don’t even know how to thank you. I can now run with zergs in wvw knowing all the loot bags I will get. I have yet to try it out in tpvp, now my main mesmer can finally join a group. Thank you kind sir.
I would recommend changing the title to something abit subtle, before it gets nerfed.

I am 100% confident that devs haven’t looked at this part of the forum for the past year, so I think we could be safe, thanks for the support ^.^

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