Guild Wars 2

So I’m wondering if that trait only affect my direct damage , like GS #1 #2…etc , or if it also works effect mind wrack and phantasms damage ?

Thanks

Trait link : http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Compounding_Power

Mind wrack, yes. Only phantasm damage modifiers affect phantasm damage though.

Oh ok thanks , another question about mind wrack, do anyone know if superior sigil of force affect mind wrack ?

Those damage modifier mechanic are a bit confusing.

Force does affect Mind Wrack. On-proc sigils will also trigger on MW because it counts as a weapon skill.

All sigils work on MW or any other shatter skill. Actually every sigil works on every skill OF YOU. Since phantasms got their own skills and weapons, they won’t proc on hit or +5% dmg sigils. However they still copy your stats like power, so sigil of battle wich grants 3 stacks might (105power) after weapon swap will copy the power to the phantasm, granting them more damage.

An additional point: I don’t have the data laying around anymore, but through some earlier searching I had found that someone tested Compounding. It does affect Mind Wrack, BUT. Every hit is calculated on each clone’s shatter.

What this ended up meaning is that the first clone shattered and got the full 9% boost. When the second clone shattered, it had 6% damage, and the third had only 3%.

This also means that, if your clones are shattering one at a time(I presume getting them all to fire at the same time guarantees 9% on all three), damage will be boosted by getting more clones out while the skill is playing out.

Kadj.6725:

An additional point: I don’t have the data laying around anymore, but through some earlier searching I had found that someone tested Compounding. It does affect Mind Wrack, BUT. Every hit is calculated on each clone’s shatter.

What this ended up meaning is that the first clone shattered and got the full 9% boost. When the second clone shattered, it had 6% damage, and the third had only 3%.

This also means that, if your clones are shattering one at a time(I presume getting them all to fire at the same time guarantees 9% on all three), damage will be boosted by getting more clones out while the skill is playing out.

What if you use a shatter skill an summon more illusions, before the “shattered ones” have hit their targets?
Is it possible to get more than 9%?

EverythingEnds.4261:

Kadj.6725:

An additional point: I don’t have the data laying around anymore, but through some earlier searching I had found that someone tested Compounding. It does affect Mind Wrack, BUT. Every hit is calculated on each clone’s shatter.

What this ended up meaning is that the first clone shattered and got the full 9% boost. When the second clone shattered, it had 6% damage, and the third had only 3%.

This also means that, if your clones are shattering one at a time(I presume getting them all to fire at the same time guarantees 9% on all three), damage will be boosted by getting more clones out while the skill is playing out.

What if you use a shatter skill an summon more illusions, before the “shattered ones” have hit their targets?
Is it possible to get more than 9%?

Good question.

^
I tried to test it in the mists. (Dodge-summon 3 clones → shatter → mirror images → clones hit golem).

But since steady weapons are gone, it’s quite difficult to interpret the results.
However, just from my feeling, I’d say “post shatter” summoned illusions don’t affect the damage.
Most damage (crit) per shatter was sth about 1920, no matter if I summoned clones after wards.

Without testing it myself, I would assume there’s a hard cap of 9% on it. This question was raised on the post I found the info in, and, as if to launch a mystery of epic proportions, mysteriously never answered…

So I did a cursory test here; the first question to ask is do buffered clones count at all for the trait? Testing with just a scepter, no runes, sigils, or amulet, using Decoy and Mirror Images where needed.

No trait (our control group), 5 tests yielded a range of 363 to 394.
-Comments: Good start. Someone who isn’t waiting for his pizza to cool off should do more tests.

Trait with ONLY one clone, 5 tests yielded a range of 373 to 398.
-Comments: Less than 3% variance, but of course I don’t know the full range of damage here. The trait has been tested though, so I will assume I just got some poor numbers on one test or the other here.

Trait with one clone, mind wrack, and then mirror images; 5 tests yielded a range of 397 to 422 – noting four of those tests were above 400.
-Comments: Yowza! Again, I didn’t do much testing, but this at least very likely confirms that buffered clones do count for the trait.

I’ll go ahead and throw this post up and do testing with three clones with a buffer as soon as I have my dinner. >_>

As an aside though, do note that I’m doing this without dodge roll trait. I still have a 4% crit rate(oddly enough), but I wanted to avoid crits caused by points into that line as much as possible.

@Kadj: Nice testing. Note that the 4% crit chance is just your base value with no additional modifiers.

Well, I kind of knew it would end up like this, but I am disappointed that I am right!

If anyone wants to repeat these tests, I reccomend using the moving Target Golem – Heavy, scepter clones, no runes, no amulet, no sigils, only 2 points in Illusions and nothing else, Decoy, and Mirror Images.

Traited, three clones – made by scepter, so no vulnerability or might is applied – and no buffer.

Test 1: 273, 266, 258.
Test 2: 283, 275, 267.
Test 3: 406, 263, 256.
Test 4: 275, 268, 260.
Test 5: 284, 276, 268.
Test 6: 261, 253, 246.

Comments: Our control group. I think test 3 was a crit, so I opted for six tests. Before I was all about doing more tests than I for any real scrutiny, but I think our experiment ends with this next volley of tests…

Traited. Three clones. Mind wrack, Mirror Images.

Test 1: 273, 273, 273
Test 2: 291, 291, 291
Test 3: 431, 287, 287
Test 4: 274, 274, 274
Test 5: 273, 273, 273
Test 6: 261, 261, 261

Comments: Well, there you have it. Other than (yet another? wtf) crit on test 3, every single shatter has three of the same exact damage.

THE VERDICT
Compounding Power is HARD CAPPED at 9% damage. You DO get a resulting boost in damage by maintaining that 9% boost with “buffered” illusions, but it will go no higher than 9%.

And with that… HEY WHO LET THESE GUYS IN HERE