Guild Wars 2

Instead of nerf PU, I would suggest ANet give us viable options so that we can not rely on our illusions’ AI. Guardian, Elementalist and Engineer work perfectly fine without pets. However, that is not an options for Ranger and Mesmer.

PU being OP is a myth I keep reading in the forums (especially here in the Mesmer section). I run a PU power variant and I am not invincible and have my fair share of deaths to skilled players in WvW. It definitely adds survivability, but as mentioned we have long cds on stealth skills. There are a few players who excel as a PU mesmer, but I suspect if they didn’t run PU they would still likely destroy you.

Lol pu isn’t even strong it’s just a troll build

I love how people just don’t get the concept of there are different viable builds and to some people being like a stealthing thief is one of mesmers strong AND weak points. they have little to no armor like all light armor classes, and medium armors can get killed easily from path channeling skills. Whether they are cheese or kitten doesn’t matter, viable builds are viable builds. much hate from people who don’t try out the class and see the strengths and weaknesses for themselves. before you say cheese or kitten it up, play it and see what you say.

Mad Eye Phantom

PU is a troll build with no place in the current meta. It only annoys terribads who fight them 1v1 off point, god forbid they run into something like a decap engineer should they know true pain, and something that is actually viable.

You guys do know you can run past the PU mesmer and move on to the objective your team is fighting on right? That PU mesmer isn’t some kind of gate keeper you must slay before moving on, SPvP isn’t about 1v1’s.

But the PU mesmer also allows your team to take over more points because most hotjoins pretty much has 2 people go home and occasionally if they don’t kill the PU mesmer they will bring 3, PU mesmers are more of the distraction basis, even though they can’t decap they can survive 3v1 and 2v1’s pretty well, skill level included of course.
Also Scepter 2, end of story

Yeah true, in hotjoin PU can be really strong because players give up instead of learning how to fight it. Once you are up against organized players, PU is relegated to WvW anti-highwaymen use, however. That’s the only place where it’s actually the superior setup.

It can be useful in variants (not the original Blackwater, which is highly specialized) for slightly different use but it won’t ever be much of a fight-making build in those.

a t s e.9614:

So many mesmers defending PU. This is also sad, I play thief/engi/warr and I don’t defend fail builds like hambow, pistol whip and decap.

Just glancing at your post history this is really rich coming from someone defending strength runes, which are all pretty much every single build in the ToL used.
Also id like to post this quiote:

‘I don’t use Balthazar runes , I think they are fine. I just don’t like this logic of " Nerf what is good" instead of buffing what is bad.’

yus is from the OP about str runes.

Power PU, my rotation, pistol #4 + scepter #3, scepter #2, pistol #5 (swap) torch#5, Sword #3+3 Sword #2, torch #4 … Enemy is at 40% or less and desperate already ran blowup cd’s healed, screaming WTF?! , target you….

Blink, Decoy, repeat, dance.

Yes, and we should get rid of clones, and confusion should deal damage to the Mesmer not the attacker, and shatter abilities should root the mesmer in place for 5 seconds and refresh on evade. They can nerf PU when they nerf all the other class cheese builds.

Anet added PU to give mesmers more build diversity. So that the mesmers who so wished, would also be able to play defensively instead of 100% of mesmers running a zerker build.
I mostly play WvW, where every experienced player uses some form of defense. The whole key to a successful WvW build is to find the “sweetspot” between survability and damage. Without PU, mesmers would be rallybotting all over the place.

Jasper.9341:

. Without PU, mesmers would be rallybotting all over the place.

PU carries rally bots. I like it. It’s pretty accurate.

There would be less PU Mesmers if there were other viable Mesmer builds that were on par with other classes’ viable builds.

pupi.2465:

Power PU, my rotation, pistol #4 + scepter #3, scepter #2, pistol #5 (swap) torch#5, Sword #3+3 Sword #2, torch #4 … Enemy is at 40% or less and desperate already ran blowup cd’s healed, screaming WTF?! , target you….

Blink, Decoy, repeat, dance.

You channel a confusion skill for three seconds and your opponent doesn’t just run at you and dumpster you?

What

Xavi.6591:

There would be less PU Mesmers if there were other viable Mesmer builds that were on par with other classes’ viable builds.

Except PU isn’t even viable. Show me a recent high level tourney match were a PU mesmer is used for anything, hell I’m interested to see what teams even use a mesmer at all.

PU is a roaming/decapping type spec, but other classes do that 100x better. The crying about PU comes from noobs in the bottom barrel que who are trying to 1v1 them off the points, instead of doing what they are spose to because they have no idea how to SPvP and treat it like some kind of arena.

Good mesmers wouldn’t care at all if this spec gets gutted, honestly it would be great because we could use it as fuel to bring some of our somewhat viable specs up to par with other classes.

I wasn’t referring to using PU in Tourney/tpvp. It’s even more useless from a team perspective there.

If they would start to roll out real counterplay to stealth on some classes PU will be balanced.

Xavi.6591:

I wasn’t referring to using PU in Tourney/tpvp. It’s even more useless from a team perspective there.

So all this QQ is based on people who have no idea what they are doing in hotjoins? :^)

Zepidel.5349:

Xavi.6591:

I wasn’t referring to using PU in Tourney/tpvp. It’s even more useless from a team perspective there.

So all this QQ is based on people who have no idea what they are doing*

/fixed

hendo.1940:

pupi.2465:

Power PU, my rotation, pistol #4 + scepter #3, scepter #2, pistol #5 (swap) torch#5, Sword #3+3 Sword #2, torch #4 … Enemy is at 40% or less and desperate already ran blowup cd’s healed, screaming WTF?! , target you….

Blink, Decoy, repeat, dance.

You channel a confusion skill for three seconds and your opponent doesn’t just run at you and dumpster you?

What

This is when i “open” the fight, sometimes i interrupt the duration of the scepter #3 channeling with #2 to do not get a punch in da face.

If you are really good there are things you can do to avoid the torment stacks from the scepter block.

One of my guild members likes to run condi thief and tears PU users apart.

But you don’t have to be a condi user to trash a PU user; you just have to not mindlessly spam your important things like stuns and roots.

Getting stunned or rooted at the wrong moment on a PU Mesmer is a death sentence vs a competent player.

Overkillengine.6084:

Getting stunned or rooted at the wrong moment on a PU Mesmer is a death sentence vs a competent player.

Honestly, you could pull out the words ‘on a PU mesmer’ and your statement would just be an axiom of combat in this game. Once you reach the level of play that you’re discussing, the whole issue of ‘overpowered builds’ falls away and only player skill remains.

Most PU mesmers have very little, sometimes even none, condition removal. Meanwhile the whole game is circling around a condition “meta” when it comes to pvp in both spvp and wvw roaming.

Instead of crying for nerfs, maybe try and put some conditions on that pesky mesmer, you would be surprised.

Not only that, the “classic” PU Mesmer (the Blackwater build) has absolutely 0 stopping power. It relies entirely on a single player (or sometimes two) wanting to kill them.

It’s the anti-highwaymen-spec, kinda. As such, it’s most easily countered by not giving them combat. What can they do? They can’t bash in a door, they can’t stop a group, they can’t kill reinforcements running back. They’re just… there.

Op pu mesmers are fine and not great at the high lvl pvp.

I was wondering what this PU build is all about so I gave it a run.

Will I say it OP
Nope,

Will I say it good against 1v1?
Yes and No

Will I say it good against 1v2 or 3 or more?
Yes and NO

Will I say I am an expect in it?
Nope

Will I say it needs a nerfed,
Nope.

It not an overpowered build, not even remotely close to lock-down for my point of view.

Like other have said, a good player can easily counter the build and take it apart, although I can see it it in the hands of the right player, it can be very devastating. This goes for some of the other classes and their builds in the game.

And for those that say they wont use it because it is overpowered, I salute and respect your thinking. This tells me that you are one of those very skilled players with the build and feel there is no challenge in using it, therefore using a rather not so called OP build to challenges yourself.

As for me I will use what I was given, OP or not, it there to be used, like it or not.

If you relate this to real world situation, e.g. racing, you do not take a Skoda to face Godzilla when you have a GT3 at home. It doesn’t make any since. You lose and that it, and everyone will see you as the loser. They wont care if you have that other car at home. But if you do win with your Skoda of a car, then it saws how good you really are or how bad they other person really is.

I was laughing about this thread last night because I fought a guy who thought he was a PU mesmer, with mine. The build is not responsible for one guy or the other getting owned. Ok, I should say I’m not totally using Osicat’s ideas. I’m also playing with the interrupt traits a bit, but still, this guy didn’t understand certain facts about PU.

He didn’t stand still when visible. He used a bunch of skills when visible rather than just auto-attack, and he was clearly freaked right out about getting interrupted. You dodge when you’re in stealth, not when you’re freaked out. He didn’t change weapon sets once, staying with sword/torch, one one of the worst phantasms we have.

A good PU mesmer need discipline to play it, and needs to bug out when he’s getting bullied. The OP here hasn’t got a clue what he’s talking about.

PU mesmer is as usefull as reju thief which is not usefull at all in tpvp,as for wvw the only problem are those dire preplexity PU mesmers,as it is not enough they have broken rune and broken set,they use broken trait.And I did used rabid preplex pu mesmer and it is way too easy to kill ppl with it running around spamming clones ans conds on the enemy with almost perma protection.

The ongoing cry for Mesmer nerfs. No wonder so many have lost interests in this class because it’s constantly nerfed due to the 12 year olds not figuring out 1+1

I don’t understand why people think 1v1s should be balanced. You don’t nerf things based on 1v1 pvp situations because that’s not what the game is based around. Thinking otherwise is selfish and actually pretty dumb. Also if you cleave less it’s actually not hard to fight a PU mesmer. Just use a single target weapon. If you don’t have one then don’t complain, the build excels against aoe damage.

Raunchy.6891:

I don’t understand why people think 1v1s should be balanced. You don’t nerf things based on 1v1 pvp situations because that’s not what the game is based around.

Worse, both tPvP and WvW – and even the underlying combat system – do not want you to 1v1. They fully reward grouping up, they fully reward having an unfair fight, and they don’t even pretend to recognize that you “fought fair”.

In short, the devs couldn’t make the game care any less about duelling if they tried, really.

It still funny to see people who think PU is balanced.

A) go to a dueling server
B) say you are a PU mesmer
C) see how many people will fight you

Yea nobody . You think you’re good using PU? lol this fail trait will get nerfed once they start going a bit seriously into dueling. Enjoy while it lasts.

a t s e.9614:

It still funny to see people who think PU is balanced.

A) go to a dueling server
B) say you are a PU mesmer
C) see how many people will fight you

Yea nobody . You think you’re good using PU? lol this fail trait will get nerfed once they start going a bit seriously into dueling. Enjoy while it lasts.

“duel server” literally means nothing. find a real team that will take a PU mesmer in a real tourney. i will bet money NO ONE will take a PU mes. because they excel in 1v1 fights means they are op?

Edit: I’m pretty sure your mistaking you on incompetence and lack of skill for OP mesmer. learn to follow with your eyes don’t swing blindly and play smart.

a t s e.9614:

A) go to a dueling server

Duel servers is 1% of amount of pvp servers.
So PU OP in 1% and suck at another 99% times

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mystogan.4157:

a t s e.9614:

It still funny to see people who think PU is balanced.

A) go to a dueling server
B) say you are a PU mesmer
C) see how many people will fight you

Yea nobody . You think you’re good using PU? lol this fail trait will get nerfed once they start going a bit seriously into dueling. Enjoy while it lasts.

“duel server” literally means nothing. find a real team that will take a PU mesmer in a real tourney. i will bet money NO ONE will take a PU mes. because they excel in 1v1 fights means they are op?

Edit: I’m pretty sure your mistaking you on incompetence and lack of skill for OP mesmer. learn to follow with your eyes don’t swing blindly and play smart.

I just watched your recent post , you are using a training wheels SA P/D thief build. The easiest build to do well in 1v1 after PU. Sorry to break your bubble but anybody can kill people with that build. But its OK , I also used 30 SA when I was bad.

a t s e.9614:

It still funny to see people who think PU is balanced.

A) go to a dueling server
B) say you are a PU mesmer
C) see how many people will fight you

Yea nobody . You think you’re good using PU? lol this fail trait will get nerfed once they start going a bit seriously into dueling. Enjoy while it lasts.

1v1 balance makes for a really boring team based game.

The only way to have real 1v1 is same class, same spec, same utility, same everything. If you think there is anything resembling a balanced match between any 2 specs you are deluding yourself, one is always going to have some kind of upper hand on the other. Just not as much as PU mes SA thief hambow warrior mm necro etc…

This is why I stay away from 1v1 arena custom lobbies, that and the communities there are full of angry 12 year olds that think every spec should be matched evenly 1v1.

Zepidel.5349:

a t s e.9614:

It still funny to see people who think PU is balanced.

A) go to a dueling server
B) say you are a PU mesmer
C) see how many people will fight you

Yea nobody . You think you’re good using PU? lol this fail trait will get nerfed once they start going a bit seriously into dueling. Enjoy while it lasts.

1v1 balance makes for a really boring team based game.

The only way to have real 1v1 is same class, same spec, same utility, same everything. If you think there is anything resembling a balanced match between any 2 specs you are deluding yourself, one is always going to have some kind of upper hand on the other. Just not as much as PU mes SA thief hambow warrior mm necro etc…

This is why I stay away from 1v1 arena custom lobbies, that and the communities there are full of angry 12 year olds that think every spec should be matched evenly 1v1.

Hambow is not even close to being good in 1v1, any player with half a brain should dodge most of the huge hammer telegraphs. Get your facts right before posting. I switched the hammer for a great sword because I realized hambow only works against terribads.

a t s e.9614:

Zepidel.5349:

a t s e.9614:

It still funny to see people who think PU is balanced.

A) go to a dueling server
B) say you are a PU mesmer
C) see how many people will fight you

Yea nobody . You think you’re good using PU? lol this fail trait will get nerfed once they start going a bit seriously into dueling. Enjoy while it lasts.

1v1 balance makes for a really boring team based game.

The only way to have real 1v1 is same class, same spec, same utility, same everything. If you think there is anything resembling a balanced match between any 2 specs you are deluding yourself, one is always going to have some kind of upper hand on the other. Just not as much as PU mes SA thief hambow warrior mm necro etc…

This is why I stay away from 1v1 arena custom lobbies, that and the communities there are full of angry 12 year olds that think every spec should be matched evenly 1v1.

Hambow is not even close to being good in 1v1, any player with half a brain should dodge most of the huge hammer telegraphs. Get your facts right before posting. I switched the hammer for a great sword because I realized hambow only works against terribads.

Ok my bad, I havent played warrior, and I havent done any dueling in probably a year. Still doesnt change the fact that it seems a group of people want the game to be balanced around 1v1.

That would make for an absolutely boring team based game. There needs to be rocks for the scissors cutting the paper.

PU does no damage, and it requires people to mindlessly chase them to kill. It doesn’t even have a place inside the real SPvP meta. Just because some people are getting their kitten kicked in custom games 1v1 arena is no grounds to nerf the spec, if anything it needs some buffs in the right places to even make it a viable decapper.

a t s e.9614:

Hambow is not even close to being good in 1v1, any player with half a brain should dodge most of the huge hammer telegraphs. Get your facts right before posting. I switched the hammer for a great sword because I realized hambow only works against terribads.

If you’re using it correctly, it’s actually quite hard to deal with. You have to bait out dodges and then go for the cc. That or you use hammer #4 like you have a brain instead of using it right when you walk up to someone since that move comes out fast and isn’t super easy to evade.

a t s e.9614:

It still funny to see people who think PU is balanced.

A) go to a dueling server
B) say you are a PU mesmer
C) see how many people will fight you

Yea nobody . You think you’re good using PU? lol this fail trait will get nerfed once they start going a bit seriously into dueling. Enjoy while it lasts.

TCG that just Won the EU TOL brings up dueling and good points in the video from Ready Up yesterday. Even the TOP Teams realize that the game isn’t about dueling and 1v1’s. Your PU Mesmer even comes up in the conversation.

Dueling helps with your mechanics and learning other classes but you will not beat everything. Honestly you look rather foolish because you really think something is broken because of 1v1’s and dueling servers. If your class could beat everything then there would be no need for support or teammates at all. Everyone would be self-sufficient which is what most duelers want to only have to worry about themselves. Why do I need the Guardians Shouts I should be able to handle all the conditions myself. That’s the kind of thing many Roamers/Duelers focus on. Remove the team aspect give me self sustain and self containment.

Fighting Games don’t even have every character balanced so that they can win 50% of their fights against the other characters given equal skill. A tier list always develops for every fighting game since the beginning of time and that’s a genre designed around 1v1’s.

a t s e.9614:

I just watched your recent post , you are using a training wheels SA P/D thief build. The easiest build to do well in 1v1 after PU. Sorry to break your bubble but anybody can kill people with that build. But its OK , I also used 30 SA when I was bad.

Just to be clear: We’re arguing that your frustration is misplaced, because you are the one who wants 1v1 to be balanced. Not ANet.

To give an example:

A) go to a dueling server

I don’t see it in the server list. I’m sorry. It seems that whatever you are talking about is not part of GW2. This game has per-language servers and various forms of team and mass-team combat. No duelling, sorry.

a t s e.9614:

It still funny to see people who think PU is balanced.

A) go to a dueling server
B) say you are a PU mesmer
C) see how many people will fight you

Yea nobody . You think you’re good using PU? lol this fail trait will get nerfed once they start going a bit seriously into dueling. Enjoy while it lasts.

I read this then look down at your signiture

“Warrior GS/LB 4/0/4/0/6
Thief D/P 2/6/0/0/6
Engi Decap 0/0/2/6/6”

Yeah…..

FYI, I’d duel a PU mesmer, because I know I’m skilled enough to take them. Simple as that.

PLEASE, I beg you PLEASE, cry more about PU, the mesmers love it. And more and more mesmers will turn to PU coz u know what? people love to annoy you in pvp, why would someone have mercy on ur soul when u can just use PU just to see em cry! So here a shout out to my fellow mesmers, please use PU from now on!

Anyhow, just for the complete morrons let me show u why PU is balanced:

The trait itself would only be OP on a class who could spam stealth without sacrificing a lot in traits/skills

ok let us have a brief look at the mesmer:

2 utility skills (40 & 90 sec cd with 4 and 3 sec duration when traited)
elite skill (90 sec cd 6 sec duration if traited)
torch skill (30 sec cd 4 sec duration)

then ontop of that the boons are random, Aegis only works ONCE.

so let’s see, if someone would go FULL PU that means hardly any diversity in utility skills + bound to fail torch and an elite skill wasted. So yeah please enlighten me again how PU is OP on a mesmer? But yes u definitely motivated me to use PU in all PVP matches, ty a bunch for it <3

Why this guy don’t create topics about hambows,decap engies, perma stealth thieves? So pathetic xD

Anton.1769:

Why this guy don’t create topics about hambows,decap engies, perma stealth thieves? So pathetic xD

He’s hating on the butterflies.

I think we should stop bumping this thread :p

Anton.1769:

Why this guy don’t create topics about hambows,decap engies, perma stealth thieves? So pathetic xD

Because he plays those himself.
Bet he would probably play PU Mesmer too but I guess it’s too hard for him to level after the feature patch. :x

Hi everyone,

Since this thread doesn’t offer a constructive discussion, we’ll now close it.

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