Guild Wars 2

The nerfs for the mesmer have gone a step too far. The portal cooldown I can live with, the phantasm LOS I can live with as long as they refund the cooldown (i.e, not phantasm, no cooldown) but the damage nerf to berserkers is way over the top. My berserker now does less than half of the pre-patch damage and that’s only if it makes an appearance. A wet fish could do more.

When every class has the ability to crit upwards of 5k (lets not talk about heartseeker, daggerstorm or hundred blades), why do ANET feel the need to screw over mesmers more than any other class? I run a glass cannon build, which now is a glass pee-shooter.

Ok im sorry, have you read the patch notes for the other classes??? Mesmers are still in a very good spot and ANET is not screwing u guys more than any other. Just look at engineers, elem, who got jack kitten this patch.

MidgeisGood.2153:

Ok im sorry, have you read the patch notes for the other classes??? Mesmers are still in a very good spot and ANET is not screwing u guys more than any other. Just look at engineers, elem, who got jack kitten this patch.

Elementalists and engineers can still hit people standing at higher elevations – mesmers in an assault on a keep (ie. 90)% of WvW are about as much use as a screen door on a submarine. Basiclly they’ve been reduced to portal bots

MidgeisGood, the main damage in the Greatsword build was from the Berserker, which now hits for approximately 40% of what it use to do pre-patch. It’s not a minor adjustment, it’s a major adjustment. As I said, I can live with the LOS implementation (even though LOS is incredibly buggy) but the damage reduction and cooldown regardless if it LOS or not just turns makes the power mesmer build in to the mesmer pathetic build.

Many complained pre-patch about portal bombs, now it’s simply going to get worse for all as that’s about all we have left to do.

It’s a ridiculous change. What I want I know is whether this is an intended change or whether it is a bug. If it’s the former, then it must have deliberately been left off of the patch notes. If it’s the latter? I expect a bug fix ASAP before the weekend event begins.

MidgeisGood.2153:

Ok im sorry, have you read the patch notes for the other classes??? Mesmers are still in a very good spot and ANET is not screwing u guys more than any other. Just look at engineers, elem, who got jack kitten this patch.

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Unless you’re just talking pvp stuff which I could care less about. We’ve been one of the worst pve classes since launch and have been going south since then even.

I’m 99.5% sure it’s a bug and not one related to damage but when and where the initial “bladetrail” starts.

As a fresh 80 Mesmer with a cruddy 1700 power my first “bladetrail” did something like 600 damage to a random Cursed Shore Risen. It used to do around 2,000 damage or so.

First reaction was OMG WHAT DID THEY DO. Then I decided to let my iBerserker do all the work. Every “bladetrail” after the first did the normal ~2k it’s always done.

My best guess? The first several attacks miss due to where it spawns, afterward it’s position is better and the all land.

*All of the above done on stationary Cursed Shore Risen attacking NPC’s so the iBerserker doesn’t die instantly.

Confirmed. My Iberzerker is doing less damage than my GS auto attack.

This is pathetic.

Metaform.4120:

I’m 99.5% sure it’s a bug and not one related to damage but when and where the initial “bladetrail” starts.

As a fresh 80 Mesmer with a cruddy 1700 power my first “bladetrail” did something like 600 damage to a random Cursed Shore Risen. It used to do around 2,000 damage or so.

First reaction was OMG WHAT DID THEY DO. Then I decided to let my iBerserker do all the work. Every “bladetrail” after the first did the normal ~2k it’s always done.

My best guess? The first several attacks miss due to where it spawns, afterward it’s position is better and the all land.

*All of the above done on stationary Cursed Shore Risen attacking NPC’s so the iBerserker doesn’t die instantly.

Just to clarify on this: if it doesnt die immediately after the first attack, it probably was not needed.

It seems they spawn with 2 stacks of blindness or something. Mesmers were definitely gutted and there is nothing in the patch notes about a 60% dmg nerf to i berserker. I think I’m done with this game.

did you experience that blindness thing on your berserker?

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

The zerker misses on the first attack, thus it does very low damage now.

On the second attack, it hits with full force.

Sunreva, do you mean:
when he has his first whirl he misses the first attack and do low damage for the remaining whirl damage, and when he has his second whirl (if he lives that long) he does his full damage?

It’s easy to test Berserker in the Heart of the Mists. You’ll notice that its number of hits per attack in average is reduced down to just 2-3 hits and possibly combined with unintentional damage reduction for a total damage reduction of at least 50% and more.

The second hit does NOT always hit with full force in my further testings I’ve done. The damage in average is still inconsistent and will sometimes hit at full force for its 2nd attack and onwards. Turn off your auto attack and select a stationary heavy golem and summon the Berserker repeatedly for a series of tests in 10 mins and you’ll get the results.

Nuka Cola.8520:

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

Mez also have a tank/cc build which is extremely helpful in dgns.

So why not think before you speak.

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

Mez also have a tank/cc build which is extremely helpful in dgns.

So why not think before you speak.

the mez tank/cc build that any necro regardless of build can out-do with a staff and their utility bar (6-0)?

I can confirm Mesmer damage nerf on Greatsword Berserker. I’m done with this class until Mesmer is fixed.

I can confirm it too, i get 1k 2k damage instead of 3k 4k, this is freaking absurd to miss so many hits for no reason it wasnt like this before.

Or maybe i did and i just didnt bother to check, dunno, all i know is i want this fixed.

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

Mez also have a tank/cc build which is extremely helpful in dgns.

So why not think before you speak.

that’s what you call extremely helpful lol why not think before you speak.

Nuka Cola.8520:

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

Mez also have a tank/cc build which is extremely helpful in dgns.

So why not think before you speak.

that’s what you call extremely helpful lol why not think before you speak.

Cm/TA/SE/and we doing Arah soon all 2men team.

Me as tank/cc and Dub as Dps. He rarly every get hit by anything, and I rarly every even go down.

So yes a Mez can be a very scary tank/cc.

plasmacutter.2709:

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

Mez also have a tank/cc build which is extremely helpful in dgns.

So why not think before you speak.

the mez tank/cc build that any necro regardless of build can out-do with a staff and their utility bar (6-0)?

Dont know which build you talking about, but my build no nerco can out do.

I can solo dgn boss’s can keep all mobs off my team easy.

Every single build I seen on forums, have been either a sucky tank/cc build for mez or none at all.

I got a entire list of people that whisper every time I log on for doing dgns with them. Becuase mez is a freakying scary tank/cc if done right.

EsLafiel.4517:

plasmacutter.2709:

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

Mez also have a tank/cc build which is extremely helpful in dgns.

So why not think before you speak.

the mez tank/cc build that any necro regardless of build can out-do with a staff and their utility bar (6-0)?

Dont know which build you talking about, but my build no nerco can out do.

I can solo dgn boss’s can keep all mobs off my team easy.

Every single build I seen on forums, have been either a sucky tank/cc build for mez or none at all.

I got a entire list of people that whisper every time I log on for doing dgns with them. Becuase mez is a freakying scary tank/cc if done right.

Loving my Eb.

Let them think lousy of the Mesmer, Eb.

Let them coattail riders get off the mesmer class.

I do have to say, I’m slowly getting annoyed, too.
Not by my raw power (or lack thereof), I couldn’t care less about that.

But the trait-design for us is completely bogus. They don’t line up, half of them don’t work as advertised, are way too weak, misplaced, there’s no cohesion between the traits in a single line, neither is there much interweaving between lines.
Many traits don’t work with the stats presented in their trait line, either.

And then there’s the Phantasm / Clone traits. The few which do work as shown are mutually exclusive with each other (looking at you, Vengeful Images vs Phantasmal Healing), or make no sense (the clone damage traits come to mind).

This merges further downstream with an unfinished Clone concept (some have powerful secondary effects without their weapon being slow to generate them, others have nothing in return for… well… nothing) and a reliance on Phantasms for damage (I thought they were supposed to be living Hexes?).

What we need is once more to take the Mesmer and go back to the drawing board.
Yes, seriously.
I know this has been done twice in beta, and sorry, it has to happen a third time. I want the ability to say, specialize in group support, and have my group support Inspirations line actually be about group support. Not have some traits loosely related to it but providing no difference to how my character feels except I’m doing damage (remember, support line!) with Phantasms now.
I want Chaos to actually be chaotic, the idea is awesome! Some traits show the pattern, but they’re so weak / limited that they can’t give the traitline any real structure, neither are there enough of them.

I’d gladly swallow another 3 years of rampant bugs if at least the trait-concept gets re-done.

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

Mez also have a tank/cc build which is extremely helpful in dgns.

So why not think before you speak.

that’s what you call extremely helpful lol why not think before you speak.

Cm/TA/SE/and we doing Arah soon all 2men team.

Me as tank/cc and Dub as Dps. He rarly every get hit by anything, and I rarly every even go down.

So yes a Mez can be a very scary tank/cc.

Hello,

I’m interested in the cc/tank build. Can you give me some build information? Thanks.

Zamiel.2130:

I run a glass cannon build, which now is a glass pee-shooter.

Now stop and think for a second.
Anet did announce that they’d be nerfing burst in the long run and although you cant see it in the patch notes every class is complaining about doing less damage.
What does this mean?

Glass Cannons are now less viable, opening the way for other builds to emerge.
Now would be a good time to remix your build if you want to stay a glass cannon, or become a real Mesmer and run a Condition Bunker like me. <3

TheRamosOnline.2670:

Zamiel.2130:

I run a glass cannon build, which now is a glass pee-shooter.

Now stop and think for a second.
Anet did announce that they’d be nerfing burst in the long run and although you cant see it in the patch notes every class is complaining about doing less damage.
What does this mean?

Glass Cannons are now less viable, opening the way for other builds to emerge.
Now would be a good time to remix your build if you want to stay a glass cannon, or become a real Mesmer and run a Condition Bunker like me. <3

Condition-bunker builds are for necros. I’d prefer something that actually utilizes a greatsword, because that’s the most unique thing there is to mesmer: a clothie using a greatsword as a ranged weapon.

If they won’t make that viable, the next alternative is dual dagger ele.

This is not a small reduction, it’s less than half of what it use to do and I don’t see ANET reimbursing everyone gold wise who bought their full exotic equipment for their GC builds. I also have a decked out thief and hasn’t suffered any noticeable damage reductions.

If you also read the other posts, many have tested the berserker and it seems to miss a couple of times thus reduced damage. That wouldn’t be classed as a nerf, rather it’s a bug.

TheRamosOnline.2670:

Zamiel.2130:

I run a glass cannon build, which now is a glass pee-shooter.

Now stop and think for a second.
Anet did announce that they’d be nerfing burst in the long run and although you cant see it in the patch notes every class is complaining about doing less damage.
What does this mean?

Glass Cannons are now less viable, opening the way for other builds to emerge.
Now would be a good time to remix your build if you want to stay a glass cannon, or become a real Mesmer and run a Condition Bunker like me. <3

Only dumb people run glass cannon builds in dungeons (those you rez 7 times+ per run of COE). Since launch my fav build for pve in general (mainly dungeons) is a toughness/condition/shatter builds with rune of the undead but the serious decrease of damage to iBerserker sucks

Screw this game. I’ve been a fan since guild wars 1 and I thought since they practically invented this class that they would make it a decent one, but they continue to nerf it week after week. Every Monday I would debate rerolling and I finally have. Great job, so much for balance. There’s a reason warriors are overplayed. ArenaNet claims they want balance, but they continue to nerf one of the classes with the lowest raw damage. Do they want this game to become a warrior fest of who can hundred blades the fastest?

So much for some freaking balance. Warriors can hit 15k easily with hundred blades, saw a video last week of one using a rifle for bursts of over 20k in WvW. I can hit 2k with my best phantasm running full berskers from head to toe. You’ve got to be freaking kidding me.

I HAVE HAD IT!

For the record, I’m looking at this from purely a PvP perspective, PvE, not really for me.

Mere Image.8376:

Screw this game. I’ve been a fan since guild wars 1 and I thought since they practically invented this class that they would make it a decent one, but they continue to nerf it week after week. Every Monday I would debate rerolling and I finally have. Great job, so much for balance. There’s a reason warriors are overplayed. ArenaNet claims they want balance, but they continue to nerf one of the classes with the lowest raw damage. Do they want this game to become a warrior fest of who can hundred blades the fastest?

So much for some freaking balance. Warriors can hit 15k easily with hundred blades, saw a video last week of one using a rifle for bursts of over 20k in WvW. I can hit 2k with my best phantasm running full berskers from head to toe. You’ve got to be freaking kidding me.

I HAVE HAD IT!

Not trying to add more oil to the fire but the utility of a Mesmer far outplays that of a Warrior.

Warriors hitting for 15k easily takes a glass cannon build, or close to it, and setting up to do. No one is going to stand there to eat it. Killshot of the Rifle… I’m not even going to talk about the cast time and how easy it is to dodge it.

All in all, it’s not always about raw numbers.

If you assign a build to a class then you’re doing it wrong and should really leave GW2.
Condition Bunkers are very powerful on a Mesmer.

If I used the same logic: if I wanted to be a Glass Cannon I’d roll a BS Thief or a 5 Signet Warrior.

TheRamosOnline.2670:

If you assign a build to a class then you’re doing it wrong and should really leave GW2.
Condition Bunkers are very powerful on a Mesmer.

If I used the same logic: if I wanted to be a Glass Cannon I’d roll a BS Thief or a 5 Signet Warrior.

Yes, everyone who doesn’t want to play your build is “wrong” for not considering it.

I compromise and give up my time for things I don’t like when i’m paid for it. When i’m the one paying, my preferred style of play better kitten well be viable.

Yes, and when your style hits a bump on the road?
“DRHAURRH NOW PLAYSTYLE NO WORK!”

Ever think of changing it to something else without making an excuse or complaining?
It’s like evolution in the game; those who learn to adapt survive, those who don’t are doomed.

TheRamosOnline.2670:

Yes, and when your style hits a bump on the road?
“DRHAURRH NOW PLAYSTYLE NO WORK!”

Ever think of changing it to something else without making an excuse or complaining?
It’s like evolution in the game; those who learn to adapt survive, those who don’t are doomed.

I adapt by moving to the next-closest viable option compared to what Anet’s idiot devs have capriciously and thoughtlessly stolen from me.

In this case, it is no longer mesmer.

If I wanted conditions I’d have started with necro and STAYED in necro.

plasmacutter.2709:

If I wanted conditions I’d have started with necro and STAYED in necro.

If you wanted glass cannon, why didn’t you go thief or warrior?

TheRamosOnline.2670:

plasmacutter.2709:

If I wanted conditions I’d have started with necro and STAYED in necro.

If you wanted glass cannon, why didn’t you go thief or warrior?

The same reason there isn’t a “holy trinity”? Did you forget that all classes are special snowflakes? Telling someone to play another class because they nerfed the one they were playing is moronic at best. The issue is in the nerfing.

When they come along and nerf “your build” and nothing is left viable … then what. Stop dismissing other players legitimate complaints. Just because they do not impact YOUR game play because you use a different build that doesn’t make their complaints illegitimate.

TheRamosOnline.2670:

plasmacutter.2709:

If I wanted conditions I’d have started with necro and STAYED in necro.

If you wanted glass cannon, why didn’t you go thief or warrior?

Who said I played glass cannon? I mentioned it before, Mine is a balanced build with anti-projectile, kiting, and lockdown support as the major selling points.

HP pools are too high in most group encounters to justify glass-cannon.

TheRamosOnline.2670:

If you assign a build to a class then you’re doing it wrong and should really leave GW2.
Condition Bunkers are very powerful on a Mesmer.

If I used the same logic: if I wanted to be a Glass Cannon I’d roll a BS Thief or a 5 Signet Warrior.

Your logic is completely flawed. I’m not dissing you for playing your CB build, nor am I telling you what build to play so if you have nothing constructive to say about the nerfs to glass cannons….

My gear is spec’d for glass cannon. I am not grinding the mats to buy a second set of gear, upwards of 15 to 20G for accessories, armour and weapons. Why should I? I bet if the CB build was totally nerfed, you’d be a tad upset.

I have the solution. Everyone has to use one build /drips sarcasm

Nuka Cola.8520:

EsLafiel.4517:

plasmacutter.2709:

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

Mez also have a tank/cc build which is extremely helpful in dgns.

So why not think before you speak.

the mez tank/cc build that any necro regardless of build can out-do with a staff and their utility bar (6-0)?

Dont know which build you talking about, but my build no nerco can out do.

I can solo dgn boss’s can keep all mobs off my team easy.

Every single build I seen on forums, have been either a sucky tank/cc build for mez or none at all.

I got a entire list of people that whisper every time I log on for doing dgns with them. Becuase mez is a freakying scary tank/cc if done right.

WOOOOW!!!!!!!!!! You must be very good in this game!!!!!! Are you like MLG no scope xX Optic ELITE Xx killler of gw2? Bet in the 800-900h i spent on mesmer i haven’t learned what a mesmer can and can’t do lolololz but if you can keep ALL MOBS from your teamates while soloing dungeons bosses all i can say is, brag moooar brah.

Go to youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMgIVjXHxXo&feature=results_video

Only one video so far, but we be uploading more soon.

Of us 2mening different dgns.

Which you see Dub almost never get hit by mobs, other then first boss, but he spits all over the place randomly so no way to control that.

I got near 800hrs my self and I will still admit their is multy builds out their I don’t know about and I never will.

However guessing you to arrogant for that.

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

EsLafiel.4517:

Nuka Cola.8520:

hahah its such a joke when your ONLY option to be half useful for pve/dungeons is to run a shatter build. in wvw you throw your mes to garbage because its by far the worst class in the game now, gg anet! across the years i’ve learned they’re one of the worst when it comes to nerfing/fixing (going by gw1).

Mez also have a tank/cc build which is extremely helpful in dgns.

So why not think before you speak.

that’s what you call extremely helpful lol why not think before you speak.

Cm/TA/SE/and we doing Arah soon all 2men team.

Me as tank/cc and Dub as Dps. He rarly every get hit by anything, and I rarly every even go down.

So yes a Mez can be a very scary tank/cc.

I’m curious on your tank build, can you please link it? I just hit 80 on my mesmer 3 days ago… Guess this sucks now.

TheRamosOnline.2670:

plasmacutter.2709:

If I wanted conditions I’d have started with necro and STAYED in necro.

If you wanted glass cannon, why didn’t you go thief or warrior?

Because I wanted a ranged glass cannon, I thought the illusions were a cool idea and I love the utility.
Anet ruining a certain build is BS, there should be multiple ways of building a character, removing one of them is not a good idea.
Just because a nerf doesnt affect you personally, doesnt mean its a good idea.

Still no official response? Disappointing, especially since a number of threads in the warrior forum have been treated to official responses. This is a potentially game-breaking issue that will negatively affect those of us with a build that involves a greatsword. Why should we be expected to grin and bear it during a very limited one time event?

I’m rapidly tiring of this game, partially due to the recent broken promises and largely due to the lack of support and swift responses when it comes to bugs.

TheRamosOnline.2670:

Now would be a good time to remix your build if you want to stay a glass cannon, or become a real Mesmer and run a Condition Bunker like me. <3

Except that confusion is worthless in PvE and sPvP, and mediocre in WvW, and practically every other class in the game is better at inflicting bleeds and burns and poison. Also condition builds without poison = crap.

Even with these nerfs, I do way more damage with zerker gear in spvp or pve, than your condition build ever will.

Essentially I’m restricted to 1h sword as an effective build. Not that I mind sword usage, it just feels less like the game that was promised to me about multiple viable builds and all I see is the progressive elimination of variable builds in favor of an illusion of balance that hasn’t even been reached.

for GS the overall dmg dropt a big time(33-40% less dmg)+a lot less burst
berserker has now a little delay so vs 2 nps he can be killed without even doing dmg

Jack.4360:

I have the solution. Everyone has to use one build /drips sarcasm

Hey but this is what happened with the Rangers. Almost everyone using Shortbow builds because every other weapon aside maybe from Axe + Warhorn , pets and utilities were garbage.

Guess what ? This ended up with the SB being nerfed lol.

Personally i’m shelving GW2 until i see some decent changes. As a former Ranger who switched to Mesmer due to the Ranger being subpar i feel like i completely wasted my time with both classes , thanks to all the nerfs. And give me a brek about adapting. I"m not grinding another set of equipment just to change to a less effective build i was using previously. I don’t have the patience for that. Sure i could always reroll but one time was enough and i don’t have the time nor patience to go through boring PVE all over again. So i’m done until i see Anet get their kitten together and actually think before implementing nerfs and changes.

Flying Knee, you realize balance is never going to be perfect, so unless you enjoy rerolling the current FOTM overpowered you need to at some point sit down and accept you will be playing the underdog for a bit?