Guild Wars 2

Aberrant.6749:

loseridoit.2756:

azuzephyr.7280:

You are making my point.

Every other class has forced a team to save some kind of utility just to stomp them, costing an aegis/stability/teleport which could have otherwise been used for their own benefit, the mesmer cost the other team absolutely nothing provided they actually know how to stomp.

mesmer down state is not the worst in the game.

the down #2 is a near guarantee anti stomp that can delay a kill.

Because of this guarentee, mesmer down state is just as good as a guard.

Down state from best to worse
Ele
Thief
Ranger
Guard and Mesmer
Necro
Engineer and Warrior

Warrior’s downed state is not as bad as eng’s… it’s one of the better ones. you use #2 to delay a person long enough to pop #3. Being able to get up again and use all your skills and move around is pretty epic.

That being said, mesmer’s downed skills aren’t great aren’t super horrid. My only gripe is that #2 doesn’t move you AWAY from the target. Please at least make it 180 degrees in the other direction so that I don’t tele into the middle of a group -.-

if you actually tested the warrior down state #2 is not an instant. Its a single hit 1sec cast knockdown.

Most warriors rarely get the chance to use #3 and they will not rally unless they are trait for vengence

For these two reasons, mesmer down state is so much better

loseridoit.2756:

Aberrant.6749:

loseridoit.2756:

azuzephyr.7280:

You are making my point.

Every other class has forced a team to save some kind of utility just to stomp them, costing an aegis/stability/teleport which could have otherwise been used for their own benefit, the mesmer cost the other team absolutely nothing provided they actually know how to stomp.

mesmer down state is not the worst in the game.

the down #2 is a near guarantee anti stomp that can delay a kill.

Because of this guarentee, mesmer down state is just as good as a guard.

Down state from best to worse
Ele
Thief
Ranger
Guard and Mesmer
Necro
Engineer and Warrior

Warrior’s downed state is not as bad as eng’s… it’s one of the better ones. you use #2 to delay a person long enough to pop #3. Being able to get up again and use all your skills and move around is pretty epic.

That being said, mesmer’s downed skills aren’t great aren’t super horrid. My only gripe is that #2 doesn’t move you AWAY from the target. Please at least make it 180 degrees in the other direction so that I don’t tele into the middle of a group -.-

if you actually tested the warrior down state #2 is not an instant. Its a single hit 1sec cast knockdown.

Most warriors rarely get the chance to use #3 and they will not rally unless they are trait for vengence

For these two reasons, mesmer down state is so much better

Actually by default the warriors vengeance has ~50% chance to rez you when you kill something, the trait just makes it 100%, so vengeance is pretty freaking good and in team fights where a ton of people are dying while you’re still up and fighting it’s pretty kittening good even without the trait.

That being said, good kittening luck getting to the point of getting Vengeance off, most people will NOT allow a warrior to use that ability lol.

tbh i’d say the mesmer downed state is probably more on par with the rangers due to our phantasms and illusions keep at it while we’re downed.

Durzlla.6295:

loseridoit.2756:

Aberrant.6749:

loseridoit.2756:

azuzephyr.7280:

You are making my point.

Every other class has forced a team to save some kind of utility just to stomp them, costing an aegis/stability/teleport which could have otherwise been used for their own benefit, the mesmer cost the other team absolutely nothing provided they actually know how to stomp.

mesmer down state is not the worst in the game.

the down #2 is a near guarantee anti stomp that can delay a kill.

Because of this guarentee, mesmer down state is just as good as a guard.

Down state from best to worse
Ele
Thief
Ranger
Guard and Mesmer
Necro
Engineer and Warrior

Warrior’s downed state is not as bad as eng’s… it’s one of the better ones. you use #2 to delay a person long enough to pop #3. Being able to get up again and use all your skills and move around is pretty epic.

That being said, mesmer’s downed skills aren’t great aren’t super horrid. My only gripe is that #2 doesn’t move you AWAY from the target. Please at least make it 180 degrees in the other direction so that I don’t tele into the middle of a group -.-

if you actually tested the warrior down state #2 is not an instant. Its a single hit 1sec cast knockdown.

Most warriors rarely get the chance to use #3 and they will not rally unless they are trait for vengence

For these two reasons, mesmer down state is so much better

Actually by default the warriors vengeance has ~50% chance to rez you when you kill something, the trait just makes it 100%, so vengeance is pretty freaking good and in team fights where a ton of people are dying while you’re still up and fighting it’s pretty kittening good even without the trait.

That being said, good kittening luck getting to the point of getting Vengeance off, most people will NOT allow a warrior to use that ability lol.

tbh i’d say the mesmer downed state is probably more on par with the rangers due to our phantasms and illusions keep at it while we’re downed.

I been playing warrior for over 40 hours in pvp. I never res after an player kill. Yes, I killed people with a warrior with vengence and I still died. Using a trait to fix a down state. Great design Anet….

If anet fixed #2 on the warrior to be something like ranger #2 then I will bump the warrior down state to be better than the guardian

Nobody need utils to defeat a warrior down state. stomp -> knockdown -> stomp again and the warrior can never use vengence. Add salt to the wounds of a warrior, vengence have a half second cast time

loseridoit.2756:

Durzlla.6295:

loseridoit.2756:

Aberrant.6749:

loseridoit.2756:

azuzephyr.7280:

You are making my point.

Every other class has forced a team to save some kind of utility just to stomp them, costing an aegis/stability/teleport which could have otherwise been used for their own benefit, the mesmer cost the other team absolutely nothing provided they actually know how to stomp.

mesmer down state is not the worst in the game.

the down #2 is a near guarantee anti stomp that can delay a kill.

Because of this guarentee, mesmer down state is just as good as a guard.

Down state from best to worse
Ele
Thief
Ranger
Guard and Mesmer
Necro
Engineer and Warrior

Warrior’s downed state is not as bad as eng’s… it’s one of the better ones. you use #2 to delay a person long enough to pop #3. Being able to get up again and use all your skills and move around is pretty epic.

That being said, mesmer’s downed skills aren’t great aren’t super horrid. My only gripe is that #2 doesn’t move you AWAY from the target. Please at least make it 180 degrees in the other direction so that I don’t tele into the middle of a group -.-

if you actually tested the warrior down state #2 is not an instant. Its a single hit 1sec cast knockdown.

Most warriors rarely get the chance to use #3 and they will not rally unless they are trait for vengence

For these two reasons, mesmer down state is so much better

Actually by default the warriors vengeance has ~50% chance to rez you when you kill something, the trait just makes it 100%, so vengeance is pretty freaking good and in team fights where a ton of people are dying while you’re still up and fighting it’s pretty kittening good even without the trait.

That being said, good kittening luck getting to the point of getting Vengeance off, most people will NOT allow a warrior to use that ability lol.

tbh i’d say the mesmer downed state is probably more on par with the rangers due to our phantasms and illusions keep at it while we’re downed.

I been playing warrior for over 40 hours in pvp. I never res after an player kill. Yes, I killed people with a warrior with vengence and I still died

you can definitely rally after vengeance from players, without the trait.

wads.5730:

loseridoit.2756:

Durzlla.6295:

loseridoit.2756:

Aberrant.6749:

loseridoit.2756:

azuzephyr.7280:

You are making my point.

Every other class has forced a team to save some kind of utility just to stomp them, costing an aegis/stability/teleport which could have otherwise been used for their own benefit, the mesmer cost the other team absolutely nothing provided they actually know how to stomp.

mesmer down state is not the worst in the game.

the down #2 is a near guarantee anti stomp that can delay a kill.

Because of this guarentee, mesmer down state is just as good as a guard.

Down state from best to worse
Ele
Thief
Ranger
Guard and Mesmer
Necro
Engineer and Warrior

Warrior’s downed state is not as bad as eng’s… it’s one of the better ones. you use #2 to delay a person long enough to pop #3. Being able to get up again and use all your skills and move around is pretty epic.

That being said, mesmer’s downed skills aren’t great aren’t super horrid. My only gripe is that #2 doesn’t move you AWAY from the target. Please at least make it 180 degrees in the other direction so that I don’t tele into the middle of a group -.-

if you actually tested the warrior down state #2 is not an instant. Its a single hit 1sec cast knockdown.

Most warriors rarely get the chance to use #3 and they will not rally unless they are trait for vengence

For these two reasons, mesmer down state is so much better

Actually by default the warriors vengeance has ~50% chance to rez you when you kill something, the trait just makes it 100%, so vengeance is pretty freaking good and in team fights where a ton of people are dying while you’re still up and fighting it’s pretty kittening good even without the trait.

That being said, good kittening luck getting to the point of getting Vengeance off, most people will NOT allow a warrior to use that ability lol.

tbh i’d say the mesmer downed state is probably more on par with the rangers due to our phantasms and illusions keep at it while we’re downed.

I been playing warrior for over 40 hours in pvp. I never res after an player kill. Yes, I killed people with a warrior with vengence and I still died

you can definitely rally after vengeance from players, without the trait.

thats the thing. I never res without the trait.

warrior down state sucks.

I only res when I kill npc like those svanvir on the forest pvp map

loseridoit.2756:

wads.5730:

loseridoit.2756:

Durzlla.6295:

loseridoit.2756:

Aberrant.6749:

loseridoit.2756:

azuzephyr.7280:

You are making my point.

Every other class has forced a team to save some kind of utility just to stomp them, costing an aegis/stability/teleport which could have otherwise been used for their own benefit, the mesmer cost the other team absolutely nothing provided they actually know how to stomp.

mesmer down state is not the worst in the game.

the down #2 is a near guarantee anti stomp that can delay a kill.

Because of this guarentee, mesmer down state is just as good as a guard.

Down state from best to worse
Ele
Thief
Ranger
Guard and Mesmer
Necro
Engineer and Warrior

Warrior’s downed state is not as bad as eng’s… it’s one of the better ones. you use #2 to delay a person long enough to pop #3. Being able to get up again and use all your skills and move around is pretty epic.

That being said, mesmer’s downed skills aren’t great aren’t super horrid. My only gripe is that #2 doesn’t move you AWAY from the target. Please at least make it 180 degrees in the other direction so that I don’t tele into the middle of a group -.-

if you actually tested the warrior down state #2 is not an instant. Its a single hit 1sec cast knockdown.

Most warriors rarely get the chance to use #3 and they will not rally unless they are trait for vengence

For these two reasons, mesmer down state is so much better

Actually by default the warriors vengeance has ~50% chance to rez you when you kill something, the trait just makes it 100%, so vengeance is pretty freaking good and in team fights where a ton of people are dying while you’re still up and fighting it’s pretty kittening good even without the trait.

That being said, good kittening luck getting to the point of getting Vengeance off, most people will NOT allow a warrior to use that ability lol.

tbh i’d say the mesmer downed state is probably more on par with the rangers due to our phantasms and illusions keep at it while we’re downed.

I been playing warrior for over 40 hours in pvp. I never res after an player kill. Yes, I killed people with a warrior with vengence and I still died

you can definitely rally after vengeance from players, without the trait.

thats the thing. I never res without the trait.

warrior down state sucks.

I only res when I kill npc like those svanvir on the forest pvp map

I have no idea what you’re doing… i’ve played a warrior for a wopping 10 games wtih my friend and i’ve rallied 5 times (i spent a lot of time being downed) off of traitless vengeance, so i have no idea what you’re doing.

My take on the mesmer downed state is the following:
1) It’s fine, don’t really have a problem.
2) Fine except when trying to avoid getting stomped by someone in stealth. Since you have nothing to target, the skill is unusable. This skill should either
a) be an exception which creates clones not bound to one person and thus can always be used OR
b) stealth the mesmer and only create a downed clone if a target is selected.

3) This does do pretty high damage but really all the #3 skills should provide something really strong and in the flavor of the profession (guardian has symbol, thief has stealth, ranger has pet rez). I would like to see the phantasmal rogue apply daze when it attacks and hits from behind, thus guaranteeing an interrupt unless the player has stability. Daze is also in the flavor the mesmer.

For me then the fix is relatively tame →
2) allow casting (through a few possibilities) without a target selected.
3) instead of double damage, apply daze when hitting from behind.

Durzlla.6295:

loseridoit.2756:

wads.5730:

loseridoit.2756:

Durzlla.6295:

loseridoit.2756:

Aberrant.6749:

loseridoit.2756:

azuzephyr.7280:

You are making my point.

Every other class has forced a team to save some kind of utility just to stomp them, costing an aegis/stability/teleport which could have otherwise been used for their own benefit, the mesmer cost the other team absolutely nothing provided they actually know how to stomp.

mesmer down state is not the worst in the game.

the down #2 is a near guarantee anti stomp that can delay a kill.

Because of this guarentee, mesmer down state is just as good as a guard.

Down state from best to worse
Ele
Thief
Ranger
Guard and Mesmer
Necro
Engineer and Warrior

Warrior’s downed state is not as bad as eng’s… it’s one of the better ones. you use #2 to delay a person long enough to pop #3. Being able to get up again and use all your skills and move around is pretty epic.

That being said, mesmer’s downed skills aren’t great aren’t super horrid. My only gripe is that #2 doesn’t move you AWAY from the target. Please at least make it 180 degrees in the other direction so that I don’t tele into the middle of a group -.-

if you actually tested the warrior down state #2 is not an instant. Its a single hit 1sec cast knockdown.

Most warriors rarely get the chance to use #3 and they will not rally unless they are trait for vengence

For these two reasons, mesmer down state is so much better

Actually by default the warriors vengeance has ~50% chance to rez you when you kill something, the trait just makes it 100%, so vengeance is pretty freaking good and in team fights where a ton of people are dying while you’re still up and fighting it’s pretty kittening good even without the trait.

That being said, good kittening luck getting to the point of getting Vengeance off, most people will NOT allow a warrior to use that ability lol.

tbh i’d say the mesmer downed state is probably more on par with the rangers due to our phantasms and illusions keep at it while we’re downed.

I been playing warrior for over 40 hours in pvp. I never res after an player kill. Yes, I killed people with a warrior with vengence and I still died

you can definitely rally after vengeance from players, without the trait.

thats the thing. I never res without the trait.

warrior down state sucks.

I only res when I kill npc like those svanvir on the forest pvp map

I have no idea what you’re doing… i’ve played a warrior for a wopping 10 games wtih my friend and i’ve rallied 5 times (i spent a lot of time being downed) off of traitless vengeance, so i have no idea what you’re doing.

vengence is based on rng.

I am curse with very bad rng in gaming. To me, vengence sucks

i literally need like 75 percent chance to proc only 50 percent of the time.

I think our down state is pretty good.

The #2 is kitten good. Don’t know what’s all the complaining about – it’s like Thief #2 and #3 combined, #3 is also pretty awesome, it hits like a truck, I had quite a few cases when I got downed first and then not only downed the enemy, but outdamaged him in a downstate and rallied.

The #2 sometimes, rarely will fail, but compared to most #2 skills – it’s pretty reliable. On the upside, sometimes some amazing saves happen when it literally ports you on the other building level or under some bridge and you just bandage there happily while the enemy wonders what happened.

loseridoit.2756:

Durzlla.6295:

loseridoit.2756:

wads.5730:

loseridoit.2756:

Durzlla.6295:

loseridoit.2756:

Aberrant.6749:

loseridoit.2756:

azuzephyr.7280:

You are making my point.

Every other class has forced a team to save some kind of utility just to stomp them, costing an aegis/stability/teleport which could have otherwise been used for their own benefit, the mesmer cost the other team absolutely nothing provided they actually know how to stomp.

mesmer down state is not the worst in the game.

the down #2 is a near guarantee anti stomp that can delay a kill.

Because of this guarentee, mesmer down state is just as good as a guard.

Down state from best to worse
Ele
Thief
Ranger
Guard and Mesmer
Necro
Engineer and Warrior

Warrior’s downed state is not as bad as eng’s… it’s one of the better ones. you use #2 to delay a person long enough to pop #3. Being able to get up again and use all your skills and move around is pretty epic.

That being said, mesmer’s downed skills aren’t great aren’t super horrid. My only gripe is that #2 doesn’t move you AWAY from the target. Please at least make it 180 degrees in the other direction so that I don’t tele into the middle of a group -.-

if you actually tested the warrior down state #2 is not an instant. Its a single hit 1sec cast knockdown.

Most warriors rarely get the chance to use #3 and they will not rally unless they are trait for vengence

For these two reasons, mesmer down state is so much better

Actually by default the warriors vengeance has ~50% chance to rez you when you kill something, the trait just makes it 100%, so vengeance is pretty freaking good and in team fights where a ton of people are dying while you’re still up and fighting it’s pretty kittening good even without the trait.

That being said, good kittening luck getting to the point of getting Vengeance off, most people will NOT allow a warrior to use that ability lol.

tbh i’d say the mesmer downed state is probably more on par with the rangers due to our phantasms and illusions keep at it while we’re downed.

I been playing warrior for over 40 hours in pvp. I never res after an player kill. Yes, I killed people with a warrior with vengence and I still died

you can definitely rally after vengeance from players, without the trait.

thats the thing. I never res without the trait.

warrior down state sucks.

I only res when I kill npc like those svanvir on the forest pvp map

I have no idea what you’re doing… i’ve played a warrior for a wopping 10 games wtih my friend and i’ve rallied 5 times (i spent a lot of time being downed) off of traitless vengeance, so i have no idea what you’re doing.

vengence is based on rng.

I am curse with very bad rng in gaming. To me, vengence sucks

i literally need like 75 percent chance to proc only 50 percent of the time.

Aaaaah you’re an unlucky person, I am the opposite xD.

Durzlla.6295:

Aaaaah you’re an unlucky person, I am the opposite xD.

if they are gonna balance it base on rng. It should provide a consistant experience for everyone. If not, the skill is worthless for me. ANet should buff #2 to be 1/4 second cast instead of 1 sec.

loseridoit.2756:

Durzlla.6295:

Aaaaah you’re an unlucky person, I am the opposite xD.

if they are gonna balance it base on rng. It should provide a consistant experience for everyone. If not, the skill is worthless for me. ANet should buff #2 to be 1/4 second cast instead of 1 sec.

There’s a trait to make vengeance a 100% rally…. That’s a pretty beastly trait in any aspect of the game and it’s only a master level.

Durzlla.6295:

loseridoit.2756:

Durzlla.6295:

Aaaaah you’re an unlucky person, I am the opposite xD.

if they are gonna balance it base on rng. It should provide a consistant experience for everyone. If not, the skill is worthless for me. ANet should buff #2 to be 1/4 second cast instead of 1 sec.

There’s a trait to make vengeance a 100% rally…. That’s a pretty beastly trait in any aspect of the game and it’s only a master level.

it competes with a trait for condition removal warhorn……..I think Anet should seriously take a good look at where those traits exist on the warrior. Like grandmaster physical attack trait……

Most of the trait placement no long make sense ever since they nerf warrior burst stat.

On the other hand, Mesmer down state is not the worse in the game.

I like

Curunen.8729

suggestion

making #2 behave like phase retreat will allow mesmer to counter stealth theives stomp

I agree with making deception work like phase retreat, I see no reason why I need a target in order to teleport a little and stealth…

Use the Engineer’s downed skills for a few min and you’ll realize just how much better the Mesmer’s are.

I love my Engineer, he’s my main character, and I’m levelling a Mesmer atm (He’s almost level 15 atm). I immediately noticed how much better the downed skill set is.

Chief.5928:

Use the Engineer’s downed skills for a few min and you’ll realize just how much better the Mesmer’s are.

I love my Engineer, he’s my main character, and I’m levelling a Mesmer atm (He’s almost level 15 atm). I immediately noticed how much better the downed skill set is.

I agree, I did label mesmer down state much better than an engineer.

In fact, I made a list in this forum from good down states to the worst.

The only part of Mesmer downed skills I have an issue with is #2. Either make it controllable or -for Odin’s sake!- make sure it teleports you away from the incoming
kitten -kicking.