Guild Wars 2

I know scepter isn’t optimal (compared to sword) but I love it. I keep going back and forth on how much its worth it to pick up MS. Anyone have any suggestions for trait lines?

This is mostly for my own enjoyment. I duo/trio dungeons and roam in wvw with the same people. Spvp it’s actually been enjoyable no matter my build because of a burst + block. I can’t wait to pair it with shield!

Thanks for any tips! You guys are always the best <3

Well, MS works on Mantra channels, so if you use MoP in dungeons you’ll get a 15% improvement on your channel times.
I’m pretty sure mainhand sword still beats MoP+MS for single-target AA dps though.

In some scenarios, scepter is indeed optimal (better than having sword only), even in PvE.

You can use the scepter as a ranged option by replacing the aa with mantra of pain and to use a 2nd single target phantasm (iswordie + iduellie).

The scepter’s skill Confusing Images is also our strongest weapon skill, better single target dps than Blurred Frenzy or sword aa in general. It is therfore possible to use the scepter as a weapon you swap to when you resummon phantasms and / or recharge your mantra of pain, or when you must get away from an enemy in general (like weakness fields of the arch diviner in fotm).

What you also can do is use sword/pistol and scepter/sword then start with a duellist and swap to scepter vefore getting in combat (duellists first bullet hits), then summon two swordsmen and burst with confusing images. You should now have almost full fencers stacks since you wear an offhand sword and your two phantasms (sword) attacked 1-2 times. Then swap to sword mainhand and stay there until the encounter ends. You can also apply vuln by sword 4 before swapping, careful with defiance though.

But most ppl don’t think so far and call it a stupid or bad weapon. But boy I love to have another block when I anyway can’t stay melee for a moment without losing dps.

greez!

Sceptre and Malicious Sorcery are actually pretty good (in a Power build). The main problem is Sceptre Clones overwrite Phantasms, and the only reason MS is okay is because its competitors are worse (DPS-wise).

Overall I like how Mesmers have a “hybrid” weapon given our limited kitten nal of MHs, but Clones shouldn’t overwrite Phantasms period (I know that some Clones do unique things you might want but in practice they’re negligible) and Malicious needs a buff/baselining.

If Clones don’t overwrite Phantasms we might see Sceptre used with MH Sword instead of just doubling up on Sword in PvE (which is stupid and shouldn’t be something we’re encouraged to do).

EDIT: Really? [alternative word for buttocks]nal as in a cache of weapons is censored?

Embolism.8106:

EDIT: Really? [alternative word for buttocks]nal as in a cache of weapons is censored?

My personal favorite censored phrase is “isn’t [it]?”

MH seems pretty underwhelming and not the reason at all to take the scepter. I don’t even bother about this trait even if I’m using a scepter. Overwriting phantasms can be prevented all the time by recharging mantras, resummoning phants and using CI. Staying on scepter for the whole time will never be a good idea.

To make MH viable, it should rather add something special to the scepter, rather than just increase some raw stats. Like “while whielding a scepter, phantasms deal increased damage”. Now that’d be nasty and perfectly fits to the illusion line! The scepter also symbolizes the “ruler” of the phantasm army. Owww that change would be great, … yea but just dreams

While I agree ms is lack luster as a gm but using it makes the scepter far less clunky. I’m using it in a power shatter build. Gs scepter/torch. The auto attacks hit for 1.5 damage the block can be used on the move so your not rooted like blurred frenzy, and #3 hits for over 8k and is pretty fast using the trait. Honestly using the trait makes the scepter feel like a normal weapon, just showing the current state of the scepter.

I’ve got just the thing for you, It’s not a PURE power build, but it’s pretty amazing in PvP, it’s all I’ve been playing for the last month and i’m having a blast with it

It’s a rampager hybrid shatter mesmer and if you’re still intrested feel free to go down here

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR7flknhy0YjawINwtGLvGk5KW2IKTQvjGaAyZTA-TJBGwAu3fAwTAowBBYaZAA

Sigils can change depending on situation or preference
(it IS very glassy though so don’t let anyone near you with your block on cooldown)

Have fun learning it
-Lukki

denis.9487:

While I agree ms is lack luster as a gm but using it makes the scepter far less clunky. I’m using it in a power shatter build. Gs scepter/torch. The auto attacks hit for 1.5 damage the block can be used on the move so your not rooted like blurred frenzy, and #3 hits for over 8k and is pretty fast using the trait. Honestly using the trait makes the scepter feel like a normal weapon, just showing the current state of the scepter.

This was my thoughts! Just for power shatter. Just wanting to shatter as much as possible. I hate that it kills my phantasms but v.v most times they don’t live past the first attack anyhow.

Thanks to everyone! I appreciate all the input. I think I have to stick to MS just because I went without it and . . . it’s just a snore compared. You’d think because it kills phantasms that would be punishment enough for the attack speed increase to be baseline ;.;

I’m wondering if you could get by subbing Scepter in for Sword in the typical power PU shatter build. (thinking WvW & sPvP here)

MH Sword in Power PU is for Blur and Immobilise, neither of which the Sceptre offers. You do get more DPS out of the Sceptre but Power PU is all about bursts, and the GS does burst better.

Embolism.8106:

MH Sword in Power PU is for Blur and Immobilise, neither of which the Sceptre offers. You do get more DPS out of the Sceptre but Power PU is all about bursts, and the GS does burst better.

It’s not meta, but neither is power Scepter.

So I took a vid last night for this thread.

This is phantrupt using zerker ammy, gs sc/pi

https://youtu.be/rOkrFkwRq-M

EnderKid.2567:

I’ve got just the thing for you, It’s not a PURE power build, but it’s pretty amazing in PvP, it’s all I’ve been playing for the last month and i’m having a blast with it

It’s a rampager hybrid shatter mesmer and if you’re still intrested feel free to go down here

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR7flknhy0YjawINwtGLvGk5KW2IKTQvjGaAyZTA-TJBGwAu3fAwTAowBBYaZAA

Sigils can change depending on situation or preference
(it IS very glassy though so don’t let anyone near you with your block on cooldown)

Have fun learning it
-Lukki

I’ve been running this in both WvW and sPvP since the patch, and I have to say it is awesome. The only thing I do differently is I dropped the GS and now use Scepter/Pistol Scepter/Torch. I find it offers a lot more flexibility and negates some of the glassiness as iDuelist will continue to damage your opponent while you recover in stealth, and you can still shatter it at will, so it’s easier to maintain pressure.

msalakka.4653:

EnderKid.2567:

I’ve got just the thing for you, It’s not a PURE power build, but it’s pretty amazing in PvP, it’s all I’ve been playing for the last month and i’m having a blast with it

It’s a rampager hybrid shatter mesmer and if you’re still intrested feel free to go down here

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR7flknhy0YjawINwtGLvGk5KW2IKTQvjGaAyZTA-TJBGwAu3fAwTAowBBYaZAA

Sigils can change depending on situation or preference
(it IS very glassy though so don’t let anyone near you with your block on cooldown)

Have fun learning it
-Lukki

I’ve been running this in both WvW and sPvP since the patch, and I have to say it is awesome. The only thing I do differently is I dropped the GS and now use Scepter/Pistol Scepter/Torch. I find it offers a lot more flexibility and negates some of the glassiness as iDuelist will continue to damage your opponent while you recover in stealth, and you can still shatter it at will, so it’s easier to maintain pressure.

Yes but I wanted to use a non-meta build in which I can use a Greatsword because I had just crafted Vision of the Mists by then

Edit: You said you’ve used it in WvW, how did it do? cause I’ve wanted to use it in WvW but i can’t guarantee it’ll work.

Would Rampager armor, Sinister trinkets work?

The scepter mesmer need to compete with one-handed sword, right now the only utility is “image confuse” and in general the damage mesmer condition is abandoned. AA is slow and invokes clones, addition replaced phantasma if you control three is very annoying. You’re forced to take “malicious sorcery” only by the speed of attaque if you focus with scepter.

which is the purpose of making clones with the scepter in AA?

True that the one-handed sword AA does not invoke his clones? and their clones use AA full attack chain and removing blessings, and clones of scepter does not use his full attack chain, only inflict torment.

The scepter need to press more to objective with conditions, so far is a clone shows, and in turn, it is very annoying to have to replace a phantasmal if we control 3 for a clone, i suggest:

The scepter attack speed is slow, would increase 15% attack speed permanently without the trait grandmaster “Malicious Sorcery”.

I Suggest something like:

AA Scepter:

Ether Disturbing: Shoot a bolt of energy that torment at your target. (x1 Torment) (4s)

Ether Puzzling: Shoot a second bolt of energy that torment at your target. (x1 Torment) (4s)

Ether Confusing: Shoot a third bolt of energy that confuse the target. (x1 Confusion) (4s)

The scepter clone would use the same chain of AA scepter attack Mesmer, because we can only invoke clon with Counter Illusionary or other skill, so it would compete on the same level with the one-handed sword, both have one skill to invoke their clone. Remember that the clone of one-handed sword, until now, the clon use the AA chain sword, and clon scepter use single bolt ether.

EnderKid.2567:

msalakka.4653:

EnderKid.2567:

I’ve got just the thing for you, It’s not a PURE power build, but it’s pretty amazing in PvP, it’s all I’ve been playing for the last month and i’m having a blast with it

It’s a rampager hybrid shatter mesmer and if you’re still intrested feel free to go down here

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR7flknhy0YjawINwtGLvGk5KW2IKTQvjGaAyZTA-TJBGwAu3fAwTAowBBYaZAA

Sigils can change depending on situation or preference
(it IS very glassy though so don’t let anyone near you with your block on cooldown)

Have fun learning it
-Lukki

I’ve been running this in both WvW and sPvP since the patch, and I have to say it is awesome. The only thing I do differently is I dropped the GS and now use Scepter/Pistol Scepter/Torch. I find it offers a lot more flexibility and negates some of the glassiness as iDuelist will continue to damage your opponent while you recover in stealth, and you can still shatter it at will, so it’s easier to maintain pressure.

Yes but I wanted to use a non-meta build in which I can use a Greatsword because I had just crafted Vision of the Mists by then

Edit: You said you’ve used it in WvW, how did it do? cause I’ve wanted to use it in WvW but i can’t guarantee it’ll work.

Would Rampager armor, Sinister trinkets work?

You can use a GS, but then you have to decide which one to give up, torch or pistol. I’m not willing to let go of either. I suppose in a power build it makes more sense though.

As for what I run… Rampager works if you’re comfortable with the lack of toughness and vitality. I personally don’t run in zergs but always solo roam, often getting into 1v2/3s, so I prefer dire armor with rampager or rabid trinkets.

All the issues with scepter I understand. My problem is in wvw or pvp I hate the new sword leap. It is really bad the delay causes all sorts of problems with my combos. I find myself not leaping and doing the next action with no immobilize. Sword might be meta in pve but I hate it in pvp/wvw the delay ruins the weapon.

msalakka.4653:

EnderKid.2567:

msalakka.4653:

EnderKid.2567:

I’ve got just the thing for you, It’s not a PURE power build, but it’s pretty amazing in PvP, it’s all I’ve been playing for the last month and i’m having a blast with it

It’s a rampager hybrid shatter mesmer and if you’re still intrested feel free to go down here

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR7flknhy0YjawINwtGLvGk5KW2IKTQvjGaAyZTA-TJBGwAu3fAwTAowBBYaZAA

Sigils can change depending on situation or preference
(it IS very glassy though so don’t let anyone near you with your block on cooldown)

Have fun learning it
-Lukki

I’ve been running this in both WvW and sPvP since the patch, and I have to say it is awesome. The only thing I do differently is I dropped the GS and now use Scepter/Pistol Scepter/Torch. I find it offers a lot more flexibility and negates some of the glassiness as iDuelist will continue to damage your opponent while you recover in stealth, and you can still shatter it at will, so it’s easier to maintain pressure.

Yes but I wanted to use a non-meta build in which I can use a Greatsword because I had just crafted Vision of the Mists by then

Edit: You said you’ve used it in WvW, how did it do? cause I’ve wanted to use it in WvW but i can’t guarantee it’ll work.

Would Rampager armor, Sinister trinkets work?

You can use a GS, but then you have to decide which one to give up, torch or pistol. I’m not willing to let go of either. I suppose in a power build it makes more sense though.

As for what I run… Rampager works if you’re comfortable with the lack of toughness and vitality. I personally don’t run in zergs but always solo roam, often getting into 1v2/3s, so I prefer dire armor with rampager or rabid trinkets.

Nah, i don’t mind glassiness.
It means I can rub my victory in people’s faces when I get 1v2’d or 1v3’d.
and in a PU build there is no way I’m leaving torch behind

EnderKid.2567:

It’s a rampager hybrid shatter mesmer and if you’re still intrested feel free to go down here

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR7flknhy0YjawINwtGLvGk5KW2IKTQvjGaAyZTA-TJBGwAu3fAwTAowBBYaZAA

Sorry.. Late to the party… I’m first now taking up mesmer seriously in wvw (mostly roaming), and I’m curious.. where does the damage in this build come from? What I’m really after is the ratio power-condi (from a gear perspective).

I started out full condi sprinkled with sinister, but am slowly mixing in more and more power. A starting point would be nice. I’m currently 2:1 power.

TIA
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Edit: Clarification