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Time to stop being so cheap (PU condi)
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[BNF] Mesmer, called GS abuser by Nubu
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJTjZ2yriM20o_36MZmMTuA/videos
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Vella Absconditus | Human Mesmer
Seafarer’s Rest
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Chorazin
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[tRex]
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[tRex]
Chorazin
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[tRex]
The strength of heart to face oneself has been made manifest. The persona Carighan has appeared.
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Heavy Deedz – COSA – SF
So if one calling another a “scrub”, they need to follow it up with why they think it’s a bad thing, and how their argument is a better one. Otherwise it’s just lazy thinking, hoping that the other person will feel ashamed merely on the basis of the stigma of the name itself. Which is irrational.
It was a specific followup to Pyro’s post explaining that very reasoning. I just took the trouble to put a name to it.
That said, the name itself is an invocation of the storied and now well-known Sirlin article about scrubs, and is far briefer than having to elaborate on all that myself.
I read that article. And it didn’t take into account balance patches which might end up validating the “scrub’s” point of view
So if one calling another a “scrub”, they need to follow it up with why they think it’s a bad thing, and how their argument is a better one. Otherwise it’s just lazy thinking, hoping that the other person will feel ashamed merely on the basis of the stigma of the name itself. Which is irrational.
It was a specific followup to Pyro’s post explaining that very reasoning. I just took the trouble to put a name to it.
That said, the name itself is an invocation of the storied and now well-known Sirlin article about scrubs, and is far briefer than having to elaborate on all that myself.
I read that article. And it didn’t take into account balance patches which might end up validating the “scrub’s” point of view
Balance patches don’t validate the point of view of a scrub. Just because something is deemed ‘too strong’ by a balance team doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the optimal way to play at the time. Regardless of balance, knowingly handicapping yourself due to a contrived sense of fairness and honor in a game is being a scrub. There is no exception. Looking down on others for not being scrubs just means you’re doubling down on scrubbiness.
Regardless, what he said about vitality being better than armor is pure bunk. Armor value increases your effective hp vs power damage, but doesn’t affect conditions. Vitality makes you tankier against conditions, but doesn’t have as significant an effect on power damage. Ultimately, you’re looking to have condition defense be cleanses, and rely on armor for power damage mitigation. Particularly in this meta of burn stacking and such, a bit more vit just means you’ll squish slightly slower. Without condition removals, anything else is meaningless.
Hmm, I’ve tried to do a bit of math:
In build listed in OP I have 15922 health and 3320 armor. In full carrion (with dire+rabid trinkets) I have 2533 armor and 24442 health
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAW7flsnhG1YBawMNQtGLvGk5KG+IKTQvjGaAyZTA-TFSHABEq+TtXAAY2f4MdD3pE8IlfC8QAA4IAAA-w
Power damage is calculated as (weapon damage) x Power x coefficient/armor
so with sword and typical zerker you can assume to deal (1k*2k*1) =2000k raw damage.
Now in rabid gear that gives 602.4 health damage, for carrion its 789.6 damage.
Dividing total health by the damage per attack will give you number of attacks till death: 26.4 for rabid and 30.9 for carrion.
So in the end he might be right and carrion is more defensive than rabid. Still, I like that 8% toughness to condi damage
So if one calling another a “scrub”, they need to follow it up with why they think it’s a bad thing, and how their argument is a better one. Otherwise it’s just lazy thinking, hoping that the other person will feel ashamed merely on the basis of the stigma of the name itself. Which is irrational.
It was a specific followup to Pyro’s post explaining that very reasoning. I just took the trouble to put a name to it.
That said, the name itself is an invocation of the storied and now well-known Sirlin article about scrubs, and is far briefer than having to elaborate on all that myself.
I read that article. And it didn’t take into account balance patches which might end up validating the “scrub’s” point of view
Balance patches don’t validate the point of view of a scrub. Just because something is deemed ‘too strong’ by a balance team doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the optimal way to play at the time. Regardless of balance, knowingly handicapping yourself due to a contrived sense of fairness and honor in a game is being a scrub. There is no exception. Looking down on others for not being scrubs just means you’re doubling down on scrubbiness.
The “scrub” never complains that a certain method is not “optimal”. Only unfair. There is a difference. According to you, any mesmer who refused to give distortion to doors in WvW is a scrub am I right?
And you’re once again continuing the logical fallacy of merely naming something without providing an explanation of why it’s a bad thing. The article you reference does not refer to balance patches at all, which in my view completely negates it from an MMO point of view.
So if one calling another a “scrub”, they need to follow it up with why they think it’s a bad thing, and how their argument is a better one. Otherwise it’s just lazy thinking, hoping that the other person will feel ashamed merely on the basis of the stigma of the name itself. Which is irrational.
It was a specific followup to Pyro’s post explaining that very reasoning. I just took the trouble to put a name to it.
That said, the name itself is an invocation of the storied and now well-known Sirlin article about scrubs, and is far briefer than having to elaborate on all that myself.
I read that article. And it didn’t take into account balance patches which might end up validating the “scrub’s” point of view
Balance patches don’t validate the point of view of a scrub. Just because something is deemed ‘too strong’ by a balance team doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the optimal way to play at the time. Regardless of balance, knowingly handicapping yourself due to a contrived sense of fairness and honor in a game is being a scrub. There is no exception. Looking down on others for not being scrubs just means you’re doubling down on scrubbiness.
The “scrub” never complains that a certain method is not “optimal”. Only unfair. There is a difference. According to you, any mesmer who refused to give distortion to doors in WvW is a scrub am I right?
And you’re once again continuing the logical fallacy of merely naming something without providing an explanation of why it’s a bad thing. The article you reference does not refer to balance patches at all, which in my view completely negates it from an MMO point of view.
Um, look at the post in question again:
stop being so cheap
i never stomp other mesmers
unless they play pu condi
no respect
These aren’t words about what’s optimal, they are about being “cheap”.
Indeed, the poster is sooo mad about it that he goes out of his way to stomp pu condi mesmers because he has “no respect” for them.
That’s scrub thinking.
Lastly, you’re making a rather irrelevant point about balance patches. We didn’t call the guy a scrub because he called for a nerf, we called him a scrub because he used scrub logic and confessed to scrub behavior.
Lots of people call for nerfs to PU, and we don’t call them scrubs…just wrong.
The scrubs aren’t the people advocating one way or another about balance patches.
They are the people who come in here declaring that mesmer is too boring to play now, or certain builds are so cheap you gotta be more mean to them than other people you beat, or who declare that they’ll never play such a “cheap build” because it’s unfair.
Scrubs don’t play to win because they handicap themselves for irrelevant reasons.
Heck, even choosing not to use PU condi for roaming doesn’t make you a scrub, because there are many reasons a person might choose something different. Choosing not to use PU condi because it’s too cheap, or because it’s unfair, though…that’s scrub thinking.
Regardless, what he said about vitality being better than armor is pure bunk. Armor value increases your effective hp vs power damage, but doesn’t affect conditions. Vitality makes you tankier against conditions, but doesn’t have as significant an effect on power damage. Ultimately, you’re looking to have condition defense be cleanses, and rely on armor for power damage mitigation. Particularly in this meta of burn stacking and such, a bit more vit just means you’ll squish slightly slower. Without condition removals, anything else is meaningless.
Hmm, I’ve tried to do a bit of math:
In build listed in OP I have 15922 health and 3320 armor. In full carrion (with dire+rabid trinkets) I have 2533 armor and 24442 health
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAW7flsnhG1YBawMNQtGLvGk5KG+IKTQvjGaAyZTA-TFSHABEq+TtXAAY2f4MdD3pE8IlfC8QAA4IAAA-wPower damage is calculated as (weapon damage) x Power x coefficient/armor
so with sword and typical zerker you can assume to deal (1k*2k*1) =2000k raw damage.
Now in rabid gear that gives 602.4 health damage, for carrion its 789.6 damage.
Dividing total health by the damage per attack will give you number of attacks till death: 26.4 for rabid and 30.9 for carrion.So in the end he might be right and carrion is more defensive than rabid. Still, I like that 8% toughness to condi damage
Hits to death is one metric of survivability, but it’s ultimately not a very useful one because it ignores the existence of sustain. A much more useful metric is ‘sustainable damage taken’. If you can heal 6.5k hp every 20 seconds, then sustainable damage taken is 6.5k damage every 20 seconds. More than that and you’ll eventually die, less than that and you’ll stay alive.
In this scenario, you can see that toughness gear is significantly better, because it means that taking the same hits as in a vitality setup will result in a lower amount of damage taken, making it more sustainable. Ultimately if you just get whaled on you’ll die in any build, but mitigating damage to a sustainable level is how you survive in fights.
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[BNF] Mesmer, called GS abuser by Nubu
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJTjZ2yriM20o_36MZmMTuA/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJTjZ2yriM20o_36MZmMTuA/videos