Guild Wars 2

team pz i assuming only took mesmer for his portal abilities and doable moa
the problem start when the enemy team saw that the mesmer always pushed far and tried to hold that as it was most of the time their only point which for team pz didnt benefit much as the fight was mainly on their close (enemy team push them far from the mesmer ie push the fight from mid to close so the mesmer wont be able to help with portal)
than the mesmer had to handle with necro which he did most of the time but in several times 2 rev sent to pressure him off point and necro came to hold it later

so the condi wasnt the issue rather the abiltiy to hold the point. so as bunker is out and zerk amulet cannot hold and while holding point the fight is longer than condi is the best option to go with.

if pz could won close and hold it than the mesmer could have easy time to play his game and start rotating with portal. but we didnt see that as his team got killed and pressured hard.

so they had good intention but forget to change tactic mid fight thus i might have send the mesmer to the team fight and send someone else to cap or hold the cap and start to rotate to mid than the fight could be 2v2 or 3v3 and not 4v4 on close and 1v1 on far

Azukas.1426:

Ananeos.4587:

Azukas.1426:

Fay.2357:

Azukas.1426:

Fay.2357:

Azukas.1426:

rchu.8945:

Azukas.1426:

So I guess the “sky is falling” crowd are eating crow?

There’s no crow to eat because the Mesmer proved its just not viable. Making an appearance doesnt mean it’s effective.

The discrepancy in team skill stopped the mesmer not the mesmer class.

You’ve got a hilarious double standard here. You’re saying that the mesmer’s poor performance can’t possibly indicate that mesmer is poor because the team was bad, then you turn around and say that the mesmer is clearly viable because it showed up in the tournament, despite having just claimed that you can’t tell anything about the mesmer due to the bad team. You can’t have it both ways, either it means something or it doesn’t.

Azukas.1426:

I’ll say it again. A pro team went with mesmer for a reason and didn’t consider guardian, thief, or warrior at all.

Yeah. Want to know the reason? http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Portal_Entre

That’s literally it. They chose mesmer because we have portal. Not because the class outside of portal is even remotely good.

Azukas.1426:

Our class is better off than those 3, and you literally can’t deny it. We are not trash tier. We may be at an under powered level, but we are going to have to see how our utility pans out in this new meta.

Based on what? The only team that took a mesmer got dismantled. Yes, I know, the team played badly, you’ve already mentioned it…but it’s nothing short of lunacy to use the fact that a team brought a mesmer as mesmer being viable when that team got massacred.

Until you can give an argument more intelligent than ‘but a team that got destroyed brought a mesmer so mesmer is viable’, you’ve got absolutely nothing to say.

It didn’t matter what classes Rank 55 ran against PZ….they were that much better than them. So coming to a conclusion on how well mesmer works in this meta can’t be done.

What conclusion can be made is a pro team decided to run mesmer b/c they saw something in our class. I can guarantee you that they’ve faced Rev, Rev, Necro, Ele, Engi in their scrims with the abjured (who just happened to run that comp) before the finals.

Thank You

Yeah. They saw portal. I’m not sure why you keep denying that portal is the singular reason they ran it, with moa as an honorable mention.

I’m not denying anything simply stating we don’t know because they haven’t said. You’re assuming I’m going byou facts.

Please come with facts not emotions

Everyone in this thread has been shoving facts and reason in your face, you’re just denying everything.

No they haven’t.

Well you just denied everything then.

Levetty.1279:

Azukas.1426:

Ananeos.4587:

Azukas.1426:

Fay.2357:

Azukas.1426:

Fay.2357:

Azukas.1426:

rchu.8945:

Azukas.1426:

So I guess the “sky is falling” crowd are eating crow?

There’s no crow to eat because the Mesmer proved its just not viable. Making an appearance doesnt mean it’s effective.

The discrepancy in team skill stopped the mesmer not the mesmer class.

You’ve got a hilarious double standard here. You’re saying that the mesmer’s poor performance can’t possibly indicate that mesmer is poor because the team was bad, then you turn around and say that the mesmer is clearly viable because it showed up in the tournament, despite having just claimed that you can’t tell anything about the mesmer due to the bad team. You can’t have it both ways, either it means something or it doesn’t.

Azukas.1426:

I’ll say it again. A pro team went with mesmer for a reason and didn’t consider guardian, thief, or warrior at all.

Yeah. Want to know the reason? http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Portal_Entre

That’s literally it. They chose mesmer because we have portal. Not because the class outside of portal is even remotely good.

Azukas.1426:

Our class is better off than those 3, and you literally can’t deny it. We are not trash tier. We may be at an under powered level, but we are going to have to see how our utility pans out in this new meta.

Based on what? The only team that took a mesmer got dismantled. Yes, I know, the team played badly, you’ve already mentioned it…but it’s nothing short of lunacy to use the fact that a team brought a mesmer as mesmer being viable when that team got massacred.

Until you can give an argument more intelligent than ‘but a team that got destroyed brought a mesmer so mesmer is viable’, you’ve got absolutely nothing to say.

It didn’t matter what classes Rank 55 ran against PZ….they were that much better than them. So coming to a conclusion on how well mesmer works in this meta can’t be done.

What conclusion can be made is a pro team decided to run mesmer b/c they saw something in our class. I can guarantee you that they’ve faced Rev, Rev, Necro, Ele, Engi in their scrims with the abjured (who just happened to run that comp) before the finals.

Thank You

Yeah. They saw portal. I’m not sure why you keep denying that portal is the singular reason they ran it, with moa as an honorable mention.

I’m not denying anything simply stating we don’t know because they haven’t said. You’re assuming I’m going byou facts.

Please come with facts not emotions

Everyone in this thread has been shoving facts and reason in your face, you’re just denying everything.

No they haven’t.

Well you just denied everything then.

Read the post above you and then you’ll understand.

Azukas.1426:

Levetty.1279:

Azukas.1426:

Ananeos.4587:

Azukas.1426:

Fay.2357:

Azukas.1426:

Fay.2357:

Azukas.1426:

rchu.8945:

Azukas.1426:

So I guess the “sky is falling” crowd are eating crow?

There’s no crow to eat because the Mesmer proved its just not viable. Making an appearance doesnt mean it’s effective.

The discrepancy in team skill stopped the mesmer not the mesmer class.

You’ve got a hilarious double standard here. You’re saying that the mesmer’s poor performance can’t possibly indicate that mesmer is poor because the team was bad, then you turn around and say that the mesmer is clearly viable because it showed up in the tournament, despite having just claimed that you can’t tell anything about the mesmer due to the bad team. You can’t have it both ways, either it means something or it doesn’t.

Azukas.1426:

I’ll say it again. A pro team went with mesmer for a reason and didn’t consider guardian, thief, or warrior at all.

Yeah. Want to know the reason? http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Portal_Entre

That’s literally it. They chose mesmer because we have portal. Not because the class outside of portal is even remotely good.

Azukas.1426:

Our class is better off than those 3, and you literally can’t deny it. We are not trash tier. We may be at an under powered level, but we are going to have to see how our utility pans out in this new meta.

Based on what? The only team that took a mesmer got dismantled. Yes, I know, the team played badly, you’ve already mentioned it…but it’s nothing short of lunacy to use the fact that a team brought a mesmer as mesmer being viable when that team got massacred.

Until you can give an argument more intelligent than ‘but a team that got destroyed brought a mesmer so mesmer is viable’, you’ve got absolutely nothing to say.

It didn’t matter what classes Rank 55 ran against PZ….they were that much better than them. So coming to a conclusion on how well mesmer works in this meta can’t be done.

What conclusion can be made is a pro team decided to run mesmer b/c they saw something in our class. I can guarantee you that they’ve faced Rev, Rev, Necro, Ele, Engi in their scrims with the abjured (who just happened to run that comp) before the finals.

Thank You

Yeah. They saw portal. I’m not sure why you keep denying that portal is the singular reason they ran it, with moa as an honorable mention.

I’m not denying anything simply stating we don’t know because they haven’t said. You’re assuming I’m going byou facts.

Please come with facts not emotions

Everyone in this thread has been shoving facts and reason in your face, you’re just denying everything.

No they haven’t.

Well you just denied everything then.

Read the post above you and then you’ll understand.

But your own argument only has one thing in it: One ESL team used this class so it must be universally useful and there must be a reason that we don’t see.

Obviously ppl will question your reasoning if that is the only thing you keep mentioning.

guys from yesterday every match i played there were 1-2 mesmer in the enemy team
so thank helseth, frosball
are we gonna see more nerf to condi mesmer now…. maybe mtd now only half torment stack … or tormet apply by mesmer will do only half dmg

messiah.1908:

guys from yesterday every match i played there were 1-2 mesmer in the enemy team
so thank helseth, frosball
are we gonna see more nerf to condi mesmer now…. maybe mtd now only half torment stack … or tormet apply by mesmer will do only half dmg

The hope will die down in a day or 2. Like it always does.

Also, is today daily mesmer winner? Hell if I know, I didn’t even check yet.