Guild Wars 2

Ok, i dont think mantra should compete with deceptive. I think the mantra build is meant to work with the adaptability and reactionary nature of DE.

so, mantras should move to the power line, they are more about power anyhow.

I think DE should compete with phantasm builds.
so, mantras should move to the power line, they are more about power anyhow.
so merge blade training and gs training, into a master trait
create GM for phantasms thats goal is to increase the initial burst of phantasms, probably centered around crits
phantasm 1st attack guaranteed crit and have 4 seconds of 5% more dmg(or 3 stacks might to caster so both condi/direct dps benefit) on creation.

the phantasm trait will further encourage cycling through traits, and be at odds with DE, which is more about reactionary play and pushing your shatter resources

If they dont want mantra to clash with powerblock,
they can move befuddlement where GS training was, and mantras where befuddlement was.

BTW befuddlement needs some type of boost/change.

perhaps there are other ways, but i dont see mantra/de being mutually exclusive playstyles.

Hmmm i like the idea to make DE compete vs a phantasm GM, as to improve mesmer in PvE, at the very least!

+1 Completely agree, dont do that dev

As a mantra player I can say mantras are very strong, especiall with halting strike and interrupts where you move them? you have to go into 2 offencive lines to get the benefit. if you would only go in 1 offencive line to get all of the benefit and the other 2 are passive, then you run full zerker do huge dmg + survival (halting strike 3500 + mantra 2500). i am not sure if that works with balance