Guild Wars 2

Lutete.5379:

Sorry GoogleBrandon, but I’m not going back on my word. A little background info on me is that I got my B.S. in the natural sciences, so I am not going to back down on my idea until I am shown otherwise; furthermore, just because there are necromancers with more “experience” means nothing to me

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You listen to scientists that have been doing kitten longer right? Im sorry there is no GW2 weekly journal so we cant publish =(

Lutete.5379:

The tests were making it high on the leaderboards for solo arena, team arena, and WvW. Did you even bother reading the posts? Why are people still posting on here? I honestly thought GoogleBrandon’s rant was going to be the final post, so I didn’t give him a reply. To anyone who is looking at this topic: Please read all the posts before posting a reply. Yesterday, I already decided that the only way to convince people was to show them by rising up the ladder. This topic should have died once that was stated.

I was reading your posts very carefully. I didn’t care much about them, but the moment you claimed to have a B.S. in natural sciences, then it caught my attention. You claim your necromancer build is OP and even called for a nerf, while your tests are ill designed to test if your build really is OP. You made completely unjustified claims, but say you can only be convinced by facts or your own experiments.

You have not even presented data (even on an argumentative level) to suggest your build might be overpowered. And this is what sets me off. Rising in the ladder has nothing to do with a build being overpowered. If it has, you either have to explain that connection or present data that suggest some kind of correlation between the 2 issues.

Lutete.5379:

Telling someone to eat a snickers was my retaliation to Googlebrandon insulting me. Besides, it is just another way for me to tell someone to calm down. I never stated that “I have a degree, so I know what I’m talking about.” I mentioned that to show GoogleBrandon why I’m not going back on my word until more people show me that necromancers are not as op as I think. Read that post again and probably the true meaning behind it will become more clear to you. Roe does know that most of you are right, that’s why I said that he disagrees with me.

The burden of proof is on the claimant. You can’t make a wild claim and then declare it truth, with no evidence on your side, until someone disproves it. Are you sure you got a degree in any science field?

Yes I know that I’m supposed to show that they are op, that’s what the whole leaderboard thing was about. At the start of the thread, people were telling me that I’m saying necromancer are op, yet I’m not even in the top 100 on the leaderboards. I see that they are right about that, so I say that I will reach the top 100 in solo, team, and WvW to show it. In attempting to reach that goal, all the battles I do can at least provide a reasonable assessment on whether I still think they are op. Now, people are telling me that reaching the top in the leaderboards doesn’t mean anything. Once again people are right about that as well because what it will really show is if I’m a skilled necromancer player, rather than if necromancers are op. The only way to go around this is if many other necro players do the same thing and give their assessment. The problem is that the community just can’t be satisfied. They wanted to see me in the leaderboards, so I say fine I’ll do it. They tell me leaderboards mean nothing, so the only alternative I see now would be to just go up against the best pvp teams.

This thread is just becoming pointless at this point, so I suggest that all of you just resist the urge to keep it alive because the necromancer community just can’t be satisfied.

The leader board, once again, doesn’t show that your build is effective. It shows that your team was effective.

Lutete.5379:

This thread is just becoming pointless at this point, so I suggest that all of you just resist the urge to keep it alive because the necromancer community just can’t be satisfied.

Bumped for further humiliation.

@Lutete.5379:
It has nothing to do with an unsatisfiable community. And if you didn’t point at your science degree, I wouldn’t really care. But your claims of a science degree and necromancer overpoweredness are just not consistent. All data you can provide from your own play experience, no matter if the basic experiment design is appropriate to test the claim, are not enough. Because it still could be caused in your own ultimate skill level. Meaning your skills are overpowered but not the necromancer profession

You would have to gather sufficient statistical data. If necromancers would dominate the arenas and owning people left and right, then we would be closer to a proper hypothesis testing. Further proof could generated, if we give any player, no matter how experienced, this build and they would significantly increase their win lose rate or even simply dominate the arenas over other professions. There several experimental, semi experimental or simply statistical or semi statistical (like analysing the meta game play) scenarios, that could back up your claims. But what you are doing right now does help only for your personal experience, but nothing more.

TyPin.9860:

Because it still could be caused in your own ultimate skill level. Meaning your skills are overpowered but not the necromancer profession

Then again, the strength of a class isn’t measured by how well a mediocre player can do with it. If someone can be overpowered then his build is strong regardless of whether the player or the build is that good.

TyPin.9860:

…if we give any player, no matter how experienced, this build and they would significantly increase their win lose rate or even simply dominate the arenas over other professions.

For all we know there might be a build like this, but it’s impossible to pull off because you’d need 4 arms on two keyboards.
However, if someone could actually play that build to its full potential then this person would set the new benchmark for the strength of the class, and for anyone else it would then be an l2p-issue rather than “the class is weak..”.

No, this is completely my fault, and not this subcommunities’

Lutete, leave this community out of this, your gripe is with me and me alone…
I got aggitated because of the nonsense spouted, asked for legitimate proof only to get called rude and shoved off to the side…

And quite frankly, the only reason you were getting angry at me is because you had no leg to stand on… You were getting upset since I asked for proof which you can never deliver – in turn because you are wrong… You made a claim of something being OP, but instead of the praise you’d expected, it backfired and your pride was hurt…

Learn to deliver before you make claims like that… I have already told you that if you were to get back on your claim or to prove your word, then I would be much more open – but a biased claim with no evidence except LB rankings (FFS, there was a No.1 a couple of days ago with 13 matches played), despite me telling you the ways to obtain them, is not going to help me like you…

And again, a grade has to do jack kitten with it… In my experience I have found that Rangers are pathetic in PvP now, yet I still get owned by good ones… That does not mean their build is OP, that means they are a better player – OP in gaming world means something with almost no counter, able to carry teams with little effort – think back of the old Hambow and Decap Engineer…

flow.6043:

TyPin.9860:

Because it still could be caused in your own ultimate skill level. Meaning your skills are overpowered but not the necromancer profession

Then again, the strength of a class isn’t measured by how well a mediocre player can do with it. If someone can be overpowered then his build is strong regardless of whether the player or the build is that good.

Strong and overpowered are different issues.

flow.6043:

TyPin.9860:

…if we give any player, no matter how experienced, this build and they would significantly increase their win lose rate or even simply dominate the arenas over other professions.

For all we know there might be a build like this, but it’s impossible to pull off because you’d need 4 arms on two keyboards.
However, if someone could actually play that build to its full potential then this person would set the new benchmark for the strength of the class, and for anyone else it would then be an l2p-issue rather than “the class is weak..”.

I am not talking about hypothetical scenarios but what can actually be measured. If a theoretically overpowered build is impossible to perform accordingly in practice, then it simply isn’t overpowered…

lets put this to rest, the build is strong, very strong in pve.. SUPER strong in pve..
For necro, this build can be SUPER strong in hotjoin if used right and everyone is too busy killing eachother not noticing the necro.
If you would run this in spvp and tpvp there are simply builds that can preform better versus opponents who are more aware of their surroundings. because this build is a nuke “All In” hope to survive build that will lean on your own team too much, iow you need a good team carry to preform your best.

Besides that, good build, wish it was viable.

Lutete.5379:

After playing necromancer for about a month in pvp and running this build, I am convinced that necromancers, or at least this build, are/is overpowered. Nerf….maybe

http://en.gw2codex.com/build/27610-spvp-well-dps-necromancer

you should probably be in the thief forums. where their mechanic has yet to have a hard counter. if you get nuked by wells…that’s kinda funny. ever tried…range? or…moving?

Oh look a black circle with red around it. Only well I use now is WoP and I love how people even move out of that.

Duh, I mean, everyone knows that necromancers and bow bear rangers are the most op things in the game. C’mon people, get your facts straight!

Seriously your win ratio is 50%, which means if your average your team can carry you. It’s basically cheering for yourself because you don’t actually ride the shortbus

Hahahahahahhahahahah

Bump for the funnies.

Would like to see video of this build in use.

/popcorn