Dude, I play necro and I friggen good at it, and I have no idea who the heck you are, but I highly doubt you have hit some new build that makes necros op, or that has not been posted prior to this post full of a ridiculous string of excuses. Post a build and a video where your fighting decent players and I’ll rescind my statement. Until such time, put up or shut up, oh mighty savior
I think a lot of people here are being overly critical of OP. Sure he may have used sensationalist language & was vague (secretive), but it is no reason to be snide.
Maybe so, but I think the necro community is just a bit sensitive to other classes coming in here to tell us our class is OP, or they found the magical build. I think new builds are great, but saying we are OP based on his build is, well, rather fantastical.
I think a lot of people here are being overly critical of OP. Sure he may have used sensationalist language & was vague (secretive), but it is no reason to be snide.
I agree.
The build isn’t a traditional condition spec, but combined with the survivability and focus on utility, in good hands this is a very solid pvp build to run with, even better if you’re duoing with a teammate in tpvp. The fact that it provides reliable ways to counter bs thieves is a nice addition, and focuses on controlling the opponent to win.
Not the most efficient build to kill people, but then again i think the goal of the build was to cover virtually all weaknesses inherent in the necro class and play to win, not play to kill.
in the end, +1, nice build, it’s not a standard cookie cutter and can compete with the hordes of conditionmancers we see swinging scepter1 saying trol-lol-lol in /m channel. don’t see why people have to be abrasive about the subject. There are some useful tidbits of knowledge gained from studying this type of build.
I found a build so powerful, unfortunately every time someone asks for a video I’m either not at home or the youtube goes kitten
I’m just going to stall through this until the new patch comes out and tell you that its OPness are all stealth patched.
you SoB you made me laugh at loud hard at my campus library.
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in the end, +1, nice build, it’s not a standard cookie cutter and can compete with the hordes of conditionmancers we see swinging scepter1 saying trol-lol-lol in /m channel. don’t see why people have to be abrasive about the subject. There are some useful tidbits of knowledge gained from studying this type of build.
He described it with words, and other people just posted the build based on his description because they are supah sleuths!
Thats what i thought, OP hasn’t actualy posted a build or a vid. He just throws “i have the ultimate build!!” out there then lets people start guessing, then he just picks the best one and says, “By god you got it old boy!”
It beats making a post asking for an OP WvW build, just make another topic, “Guess my Ultimate WvW build” then take the best one for yourself, EPIC!!
Dude, I play necro and I friggen good at it, and I have no idea who the heck you are, but I highly doubt you have hit some new build that makes necros op, or that has not been posted prior to this post full of a ridiculous string of excuses. Post a build and a video where your fighting decent players and I’ll rescind my statement. Until such time, put up or shut up, oh mighty savior
Thanks captain obvious! I’m well aware that the number of builds is finite.
Its less about pointing out the one build I found but rather about sharing a mistake I made. There are some things needed in an sPvP build that I oversaw. This is one of the build that containts it all:
a reliant way to stomp downed enemies (Soule Reaping IX)
a reliant way to counter immobilize + burst combos (Plague Signet)
a source of swiftness to traverse the map quickly (Warhorn 2)
at least one stunbreaker (Plague Signet)
Those are must haves, I just happen to like condition damage on the necromancer better than powerdamage and build the rest around that preference. Since I can avoid melee damage easier without sacrificing the high dps from dagger, while using Scepter/Staff.
In addition I consider Staff a must have, since its one of our 2 active sources of fear and Putrid Mark is too good to pass up.
Having high toughness and good kiting abilities protects against melee damage. Since melee damage dps is twice as high as ranged power dps, I’m not afraid of non melee power weapons. Which left one weak spot: conditions.
With Consume Conditions, Plague Signet and Putrid Mark I have 3 abilities that remove ALL conditions. The last two even transfer the conditions with my damage stats applied. So the build is very strong here too.
The two major downsides of this build are the weak life blast and the weak downed 1. Although the Life Leech is increased to 300 and the fear is increased by 50%, its still weak in a downed duel. Which are rather decided by other players or the +50% downed damage traits anyway.
So its a hybrid build trying to cover all the weakness of just a straight power or condition build by being a hybrid build for survival mostly. Its a nice well rounded build since you can swap in skills you need easily and they can provide support to cover the necro’s weakness, or try to.
I like the thought of it of it and all. I run a similar build some days when i want to roam wvwvw and try to play differently since I now have 5 sets of exotic armor to cover just about any way I want to play. The major issue with it is, and its the same issues most necros have, its easy to get away from. We really do not have a way to make players stay close to us or keep fighting. I was using a build with power, crit damage, and vit with all the runes to boost my chilling duration so I could stay on top of foes easier and it does work nicely but still many players can still easily get away from us. Even using the warhorn 5 skill, immobilize on axe, and chills most players can get away from us and we cannot stop them really if they notice what we are trying todo since we have to be a 600 range to effectively catch them.
Surviving 1 vs 2 is good and all but others can do that as well and for the most part play the role better. Bunker ele’s and even more survival based thieves can be easily take on 1 vs 2 and are harder to run from or keep them fighting you. Bunker guardian is a really long fight in itself, and fighting a bunker necro setup they could take at least 3-4 minutes to bleed down, maybe longer.
i tried the build today not a big fan of conditions but must admit the build is not bad
the major flaws of the build is the hp and mobility imo. yes you have warhorn 2 but 10 sec swiftness every 30 seconds isnt really a great way of mobility and almost every class can choose to disengage from you because of the lack of speed and 20k hp with rabit amulet 25k with the other one but lacking serious toughness then to soak up damage will leave you vulnerable if you dont bring your A game.
would say its a decent build but very advanced and very micro sensetive
boon duration regen/blood is power
condi stacking
condi management through putrid/plague signet or consume conditions
poison management
pet skill
staff marks
weapon switching and condi combos
its by far not the build that rules them all tho and not for the new players imo
it takes a pretty vast knowledge to do it all perfectly.
He described it with words, and other people just posted the build based on his description because they are supah sleuths!
Thats what i thought, OP hasn’t actualy posted a build or a vid. He just throws “i have the ultimate build!!” out there then lets people start guessing, then he just picks the best one and says, “By god you got it old boy!”
It beats making a post asking for an OP WvW build, just make another topic, “Guess my Ultimate WvW build” then take the best one for yourself, EPIC!!
lol
Or maybe the look through my posts and find it like he did https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Necros-are-overpowered/page/2#post736055
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I made the build for tournaments. I can’t imagine it performing in WvWvW very well. Survival without invul abilities should be very difficult considering how many potential attackers you can have (I’m thinking zerg vs. zerg). It would be quite difficult to get Mark of Evasion off, since you’d have to be in dodge range of your enemies.
For WvWvW I’d either build towards supporting my group or highest burst possible at range.
a reliant way to counter immobilize + burst combos (Plague Signet)
If someone immobilizes you from behind, Plague Signet will fizzle and do nothing if you are not facing them (180 degree trajectory window).
Thats false. If you release the camera and don’t push movement keys it will work in every direction, because your toon will turn towards the target automatically. Try it out against NPCs.
aww… super sad face. I was really hoping the video would be up to view while im on lunch break. However, some of these posts are hysterical.
OP i know you are trying to help the community with your thread here but honestly i think the manner of playing a guessing game was a mistake. I know most people want to see a build or video proof, but even with having to try and get it up on youtube it would probably have been better to get the video up then make this thread.
I am still looking forward to see this thing in action. I have run a similar build but im not a fan of the utilities and weapons you are using, but its close to the same as mine. I also agree with some of the above posters saying this is not a easy build to work with. In my opinion it really just comes off as another conditions build, but due to the lack of focus in curses or spite you have to know how to maximize your condition damage.
So I saw this thread and thought, hey someone found an OP build maybe they will post a link and a video.
3 pages later I feel scammed, can I have my time back for reading this? I will take it in gems for real.
What a waste. Put up or shut up, I shouldnt have to go through your previous posts to find your ‘super build.’ If its so awesome and you felt you HAD to share it than share it.
Its not a panacea, you need to understand the why!
Most builds -conid builds- go all out Curse so they use up 20 extra talent points over this build and for what, 200 more Condi damage?
Stability in Death Shroud, mandatory or not? Answer that and then make your build!
Edit: I know about all of the advantages of Warhorn but it seems to be a Dagger is kind of needed, how will you transfer the bleed+poison on you from using Blood is Power + Corrupt Boon?
How to:
- done on a 38 degree incline while standing on all 3 wells at the same time
- deathshroud at 10, then 15, then 20 seconds interval with stability trait
- use axe 3 then weaponswap and put down fear mark (staff 5)
- use the golem elite while spinning 360 degrees with the mouse
my builds pretty good. check it out at twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr also I’m the #1 necro in the world in paid tournament qualifier points, not that it matters.
my builds pretty good. check it out at twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr also I’m the #1 necro in the world in paid tournament qualifier points, not that it matters.
actually that’s a pretty good reason to listen to what you have to say about it
Here’s the link, I would appreciate those who end up using it to potentially support me by “following” my stream.
This spec made to win team fights fast.
This spec synergizes best with immobilize support
This spec beats any class 1v1 on a point, but can lose to many in a skirmish 1v1
I stress positioning as the primary factor to success. Be unseen, and nothing will survive more than 15 seconds.
This is the first time i’ve ever given out the rune set I use. Please respect that. We all know its unrealistic to think every build be viable. Please stop overreacting to other classes being more or less well rounded with more viable builds than necro. I promise you this spec outclasses every team fight dps build in the game. Most the top teams are using it now or a high cc dps teams i.e ranger, d/d ele.
So the stream again is www.twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr every “follow” and view is appreciated.
a reliant way to counter immobilize + burst combos (Plague Signet)
If someone immobilizes you from behind, Plague Signet will fizzle and do nothing if you are not facing them (180 degree trajectory window).
Thats false. If you release the camera and don’t push movement keys it will work in every direction, because your toon will turn towards the target automatically. Try it out against NPCs.
Not gonna happen if you’re a charming block of stone.
Listen, im not here to argue with you.
You started a thread making bold claims and then left people to guess because you havent backed it up with ANY proof.
Where is the Vid you promissed 3 days ago?
The link you just “redirected” me to doesn’t work (for me anyway).
So i will say again, so far you have provided zero proof to back up any of your claims.
No video, no build link (that works) and no gear setup.
If you aren’t here to show something new and then discuss it, then why post in the first place? kitten?
Does healing power affect life stealing yet ? ( vampiric master and vampiric )
Unfortunately it doesn’t. At least it didn’t before the patch.
I agree I should have uploaded the video before starting my “secretive marketing”. Although I’ve made a few videos I’m still pretty new to video editing. If someone has hints how to shrink the video without reducing its quality, please PM me. Until then I’ll continue trying to upload it with my limited skills.
Sorry for the video incovnience :/
How to:
- done on a 38 degree incline while standing on all 3 wells at the same time
- deathshroud at 10, then 15, then 20 seconds interval with stability trait
- use axe 3 then weaponswap and put down fear mark (staff 5)
- use the golem elite while spinning 360 degrees with the mouse
Result:
You become Spiderman
You got me good – I was taking you really seriously and taking mental notes…and then your punch line came and i read the last line over and had to ‘lol’
Here’s the link, I would appreciate those who end up using it to potentially support me by “following” my stream.
This spec made to win team fights fast.
This spec synergizes best with immobilize support
This spec beats any class 1v1 on a point, but can lose to many in a skirmish 1v1
I stress positioning as the primary factor to success. Be unseen, and nothing will survive more than 15 seconds.
This is the first time i’ve ever given out the rune set I use. Please respect that. We all know its unrealistic to think every build be viable. Please stop overreacting to other classes being more or less well rounded with more viable builds than necro. I promise you this spec outclasses every team fight dps build in the game. Most the top teams are using it now or a high cc dps teams i.e ranger, d/d ele.
So the stream again is www.twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr every “follow” and view is appreciated.
‘Be unseen’ as in free casting?
Also, what spc would you use in WvW and thoughts on Axe in PvP?
Here’s the link, I would appreciate those who end up using it to potentially support me by “following” my stream.
This spec made to win team fights fast.
This spec synergizes best with immobilize support
This spec beats any class 1v1 on a point, but can lose to many in a skirmish 1v1
I stress positioning as the primary factor to success. Be unseen, and nothing will survive more than 15 seconds.
This is the first time i’ve ever given out the rune set I use. Please respect that. We all know its unrealistic to think every build be viable. Please stop overreacting to other classes being more or less well rounded with more viable builds than necro. I promise you this spec outclasses every team fight dps build in the game. Most the top teams are using it now or a high cc dps teams i.e ranger, d/d ele.
So the stream again is www.twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr every “follow” and view is appreciated.
If there is one thing to take from this thread its this…….I’ve used this build months back while experimenting with countless other builds, it is the most powerfull condi spec necros have. Although i used blood is power and epidemic as well as corruption traits and didnt use thief runes (amazing addition). I’ve recently lost interest and playing since all my friends quit but its nice to see necros are doing well
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Here’s the link, I would appreciate those who end up using it to potentially support me by “following” my stream.
This spec made to win team fights fast.
This spec synergizes best with immobilize support
This spec beats any class 1v1 on a point, but can lose to many in a skirmish 1v1
I stress positioning as the primary factor to success. Be unseen, and nothing will survive more than 15 seconds.
This is the first time i’ve ever given out the rune set I use. Please respect that. We all know its unrealistic to think every build be viable. Please stop overreacting to other classes being more or less well rounded with more viable builds than necro. I promise you this spec outclasses every team fight dps build in the game. Most the top teams are using it now or a high cc dps teams i.e ranger, d/d ele.
So the stream again is www.twitch.tv/matchlesspowerr every “follow” and view is appreciated.
If there is one thing to take from this thread its this…….I’ve used this build months back while experimenting with countless other builds, it is the most powerfull condi spec necros have. Although i used blood is power and epidemic as well as corruption traits and didnt use thief runes (amazing addition). I’ve recently lost interest and playing since all my friends quit but its nice to see necros are doing well
Not to sound rude or anything, but is this not the classic build for any DPS condimancer?
That’s the first build I think of when I’m thinking about a Condimancer.
Only the signet of Undeath is different from any other build, and I think it’s a good idea for sPvP, not so much for WvW.
It’s basicaly a Glass Cannon Conditionner, so if somoene got some CC (you got no CC breaker), some mobility (you got no mobility) , some condition remover (most damage done with cond)(Ex : Invul to Condition Engineer Talent) or some bunker build, you will prolly have a hard time fighting.
I think it’s a good build, but I doubt you would win all your 1v1. Would like to see a video of this, just so I can see how you fight, maybe there is something I don’t see!
Have a good day!
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and I would use that spec but use blood is power instead, or possibly epidemic. Maybe not thief runes idk. Also I may mess around with 20 30 20 0 0 instead of 30 30 10 0 0, for staff recharge, but probably not
I think it’s a good build, but I doubt you would win all your 1v1. Would like to see a video of this, just so I can see how you fight, maybe there is something I don’t see!
Have a good day!
He is saying it’s excellent for 1v1 over a point since it forces someone off of the point or they die. He acknowledges that it’s not the best build for pure 1v1 skirmishes.
