Guild Wars 2

The IB meta (2xE, T, W, G) was about synergy. Everyone had a simple and easy to provide role while doing near maximum dps. It was the more efficient composition for casual runs even in pug (if they knew they job, which they did most of the time at lv 50 fractals). And please note, that none record run has ever used this party composition (I hope that means something to you).
IB was OP, everyone knew it and everyone said it. But was not a bug, so what was the problem for using it? I knew people who refused to use it (same way with FGS), they just made their own LFG. The problem here is that we all like to PHIW. Fortunately there is a tool for that. So I never understand where the problem is/was. Your beloved nike demonstrated how fast a LFG “everyone is welcomed” fills.
Oh I also think you have a L2P problem, go learn to melee. And please, change your attitude.

Nemesis.8593:

At the moment everyone thinks reaper was a huge damage boost for the necromancer, which was sorely needed… hahahaha…

This is hilarious… i have no idea who fooled the community again…
Imagine… people might be using glass reapers instead of the previous glass cannons, thinking it’s superior damage… hahahaha…

Well, i haven’t seen many people running reaper so far.

I use it because it’s new and, anyway i’m just surfing the new maps, not maxing my dps.

And because it makes new open world content easy: drop wells —> gravedigger —> loot. (add the gs#4 if you fear you might get stuneed, and do some damage in reaper shroud before gravedigging if the enemy has a big health pool)

But yeah, it looks lackluster. If you can stand in a single spot casting slow attacks without taking any damage, why not use a thief instead?

Aenesthesia.1697:

Nemesis.8593:

At the moment everyone thinks reaper was a huge damage boost for the necromancer, which was sorely needed… hahahaha…

This is hilarious… i have no idea who fooled the community again…
Imagine… people might be using glass reapers instead of the previous glass cannons, thinking it’s superior damage… hahahaha…

Well, i haven’t seen many people running reaper so far.

I use it because it’s new and, anyway i’m just surfing the new maps, not maxing my dps.

And because it makes new open world content easy: drop wells —> gravedigger --> loot. (add the gs#4 if you fear you might get stuneed, and do some damage in reaper shroud before gravedigging if the enemy has a big health pool)

But yeah, it looks lackluster. If you can stand in a single spot casting slow attacks without taking any damage, why not use a thief instead?

Currently exploring Auric Basin… and i see a lot of corpses around, and this is just open world… wait till raids…
The Reaper was designed for the upcoming hard content.

For the old content the old necromancer was more then enough… people just didn’t knew about it because… elitists…

MeveM.7913:

You’ve tricked even bad players into using the most ridicules build possible because of your silly meta.

Woah… this is… priceless.

Bad players don’t need to be tricked. They are bad, period. They would still be bad running whatever build they came up with. If anything, running zerker should have tought them to at least dodge properly.

Aenesthesia.1697:

MeveM.7913:

You’ve tricked even bad players into using the most ridicules build possible because of your silly meta.

Woah… this is… priceless.

Bad players don’t need to be tricked. They are bad, period.

Tbh alot of those Necros here that ppl considered good are falling into that cathergory aswell.

Nemesis.8593:

EDIT: LavaFont + Fireball you said ?…

Lavafont has 4 sec channeling duration… + aftercast (which i will ignore since i’m to lazy to calculate the value of)
Fireball has “Attack speed is 1 attack per 1.4 seconds.” – source wiki.

SO… 16K DPS… how do we do this ?… don’t know the exact ratios because i played ele for 3 hours in my entire life, so i will assume… Lavafont hits/sec as much as fireball…

8K DPS from fireball + 8K DPS from lavafont = 16K DPS

Fireball has 1.4 sec AS… => each fireball hit has to be of 11K.
Lavafont is a 4 sec channeling ability and… “The damage listed is the total damage, not per pulse.” – source wiki => Lavafont has to hit for 8K x4 as in 32K.

Conclusions: you will do 16K DPS IF and only IF… you hit 11k fireballs and 32K lavafonts… or higher fireballs and lower lavafonts, or higher lavafonts and lower fireballs… which ever.

Is this how you do all your calculations? You are calculating exact damage of all individual players from a single PoV on youtube and doing this? And I for some reason thought that you had actual numbers to back this up…

TheRandomGuy.7246:

Nemesis.8593:

EDIT: LavaFont + Fireball you said ?…

Lavafont has 4 sec channeling duration… + aftercast (which i will ignore since i’m to lazy to calculate the value of)
Fireball has “Attack speed is 1 attack per 1.4 seconds.” – source wiki.

SO… 16K DPS… how do we do this ?… don’t know the exact ratios because i played ele for 3 hours in my entire life, so i will assume… Lavafont hits/sec as much as fireball…

8K DPS from fireball + 8K DPS from lavafont = 16K DPS

Fireball has 1.4 sec AS… => each fireball hit has to be of 11K.
Lavafont is a 4 sec channeling ability and… “The damage listed is the total damage, not per pulse.” – source wiki => Lavafont has to hit for 8K x4 as in 32K.

Conclusions: you will do 16K DPS IF and only IF… you hit 11k fireballs and 32K lavafonts… or higher fireballs and lower lavafonts, or higher lavafonts and lower fireballs… which ever.

Is this how you do all your calculations? You are calculating exact damage of all individual players from a single PoV on youtube and doing this? And I for some reason thought that you had actual numbers to back this up…

As if i will ever find footage of an elementalist that doesn’t use the Icebow… and even if i do you trolls will say “cherry picked data” like you do with “world records”.

I said enough.

Last chance… take your favorite elementalist build, go in a fight of your choosing… record your footage and i will add the numbers for free… if you don’t do it it means you actually know i was right all along and you’re just trolling, in which case i will report you.

I think its kinda funny that in other MMOs where there are more clearly defined roles (I.E. your job is only dps, tank, etc..) and its easier to stand completely still and knock out a full rotation, the communities still understand the importance of self-sustain, mobility/up-time, Bloodlust/Timewarp phases & the impact of shorter fights can equal inflated DPS, boss mechanics and Defenses, direct damage vs. DoTs, Aoe Padding, etc….

Most informed players and guides will tell you to switch talents on particular boss fights, etc…

Here we have a beautifully flexible build/combat system in GW2 with no holy trinity required and people locking into bad, bad spreadsheet data. I could blame the game for not having a DPS meter (that can counts HPS, # of interrupts, # of deaths, and Damage Done) or for just not being popular enough to have more people exploring their system. All and all I am very glad Anet is moving away from the dungeon model, but that is just my personal opinion.

Why does it even matter if you kill a boss in 1 minute or 1 minute and 10 seconds. I am amazed you people argue about this. Hilarious. Keep going though, very enjoyable to watch!

Lordrosicky.5813:

Why does it even matter if you kill a boss in 1 minute or 1 minute and 10 seconds. I am amazed you people argue about this. Hilarious. Keep going though, very enjoyable to watch!

Optimisation, that’s why it matters to some people. Striving to get the best possible result.

Well I watched nemesis’ last video. He is almost certainly correct. Necro condi pve damage is massively underrated by the community because of dps up time.

He is correct. Its obvious. And it does hurt the community because it ruins people’s fun whilst playing the game.

Guys. Please stop this.

let’s get it on, it doesen’t matter this think about “power > condition” “necro is worthless” for the beginning, I play to enjoy the game, I like the class thematic, skill, style, and I enjoy both cases, running a power build or a cond build, I agree with nemesis when his say “best at..” of course, whitout it, the game just need one damage source, if have more, it means, there some case, X type of damage if better, in the star of the game, I play a lot with a traper short bow ranger, and a have a lot os fun see those insane blood tick pop up, and now I have a lot of fun see my fear and chill damage, turb my enemy condition against thenself, and my gravedidigger bit hit, so my advice, let’s have fun.
ps: srry about my english
ps2: I agree, don’t have “meta”, at best, have “meta at..”

edit one more think: I don’t say power necro is worthless, dagger AA hits like a truck and hit fast, good sinergy with Blood magic trait, I just say, every build has your use, so pick up whatever fit better with your gameplay and enjoy

@Ikaus, this isn’t about what Necro build is “the best” or if Necros are bad in pve or not. This is about Nemesis’ personal feud with other members of the community. He just packages his quest for revenge in a mixed bag of obvious facts, unrepresentative empirical data and a slew of insults directed at said members of the community to stir up some drama so that people outside of his loyal fan-base even give a kitten about what he has to say.

I can’t stress this enough, videos as vile as these last two are no basis for a healthy and informed discussion. I doubt most people are really interested in the actual content, people just watch it for drama and that is probably intentional.

This thread is being closed because its deviated from the original topic. If you have something to share which can stand on its own, please create a new thread for your topic.

Thanks!