Guild Wars 2

Sysakes.3260:

Batresh,

I don’t have to since nemesis has already done that. My point is that, in a solo setting, or without Lich Form, which is an elite on a 3 minute cooldown and can’t really be used on every boss, his average DPS would be much lower than the one in that fight. For example look at Brazil’s Vampire Necromancer guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBuwFe2Aaxk at around the 23 minute mark, there’s a reason he doesn’t use lich form to calculate the AVERAGE DPS of his necromancer and is doing it solo, without buffs from the rest of the team.

Why are you people saying average DPS ?… Nemesis said average DPS for 3 years straight… but the “self proclaimed pro” kept saying no no no… Nemesis is stupid… no AVERAGE DPS… MAX DPS… LOOK MATH !…

Oh… and i keep an eye on this thread every now and again, and i see people are making so many remarks without even watching the entire video, without actually listening to what i say…

For example that 7.7k DPS was from a different build entirely… i said it, i write on screen… doesn’t really matter now does it ?…

Oh well… continue to flame me, i mean “have a conversation”, based on false premises with 0 real proof to back up any of your claims.

It’s fun

So, ETA on Part II?

Wondrouswall.7169:

So, ETA on Part II?

I am dependent on Brazil for 3 different segments, and on two other people for their segments as well…

Once i get that i can add all the numbers… do all the math, draw out all the final conclusions, make the script, record the script aaaand… add everything together in the final product, which is a lot of hours of video editing.

7-14 days…

Norjena.5172:

Typical Nemesis video.

90% of what he says is wrong. Bad interpration of facts, mixed with his own, clear “meta sucks” opinion and he still misses alot of basics about it.

Just ignore it, best what u can do.

Remember his “15k awesome! 15k 15k 15k…..axe dps guide”.
he told u it was maxdps, even if we all know that dagger is doing much more dps.

Necromancers need a huge dps boost for pve.

I’m glad I don’t watch his videos then. I hate the current brainless meta as much as the next necromancer, but using even stupider fallacies with the hopes of lieing people into being more accepting of different builds and playstyles is just as wrong as the meta fanatics in their methods.

Nemesis.8593:

Oh my god… seriously… OH MY GOD… i have no absolutely no words to describe this…

Are you seriously going to put the calculator on TOP of the boss’s HP so we won’t notice he is actually at half HP… in the first fight (as you can see by the party members on the left), which was the weakest one because i had weakness on as i was doing my highest burst, and i posted it on purpose just to bait people in… since i knew that’s what people were expecting… and after the screen goes black… i proved your expectations wrong…

You’re going to calculate my DPS for half a fight… before i even go in Lich Form under Timewarp ?…

Necromancer’s DPS increase by 20% after the boss goes under 50% health… and i saved up Lich Form and Timewarp to skyrocket my DPS towards the end…

I am speechless… i can’t believe the lengths at which you people go just to invent bullkitten about my video…

HAHAHAHAHA… OH MY GOD !… HAHAHAHAHA…
I saw how people are already laughing because they believe it ahahahahaha… SPOJ ACTUALLY BELIVED THAT… HAHAHAHA…

Dude… thank you… just got home, checked the forums… hahahaha… can’t stop laughing…

Jesus Christ, dude. This is why a lot of people just can’t take you seriously. The very second someone challenges your analysis of something you start doing this. There is no scientific method at all to your process, is there?

Kravick.4906:

Nemesis.8593:

Oh my god… seriously… OH MY GOD… i have no absolutely no words to describe this…

Are you seriously going to put the calculator on TOP of the boss’s HP so we won’t notice he is actually at half HP… in the first fight (as you can see by the party members on the left), which was the weakest one because i had weakness on as i was doing my highest burst, and i posted it on purpose just to bait people in… since i knew that’s what people were expecting… and after the screen goes black… i proved your expectations wrong…

You’re going to calculate my DPS for half a fight… before i even go in Lich Form under Timewarp ?…

Necromancer’s DPS increase by 20% after the boss goes under 50% health… and i saved up Lich Form and Timewarp to skyrocket my DPS towards the end…

I am speechless… i can’t believe the lengths at which you people go just to invent bullkitten about my video…

HAHAHAHAHA… OH MY GOD !… HAHAHAHAHA…
I saw how people are already laughing because they believe it ahahahahaha… SPOJ ACTUALLY BELIVED THAT… HAHAHAHA…

Dude… thank you… just got home, checked the forums… hahahaha… can’t stop laughing…

Jesus Christ, dude. This is why a lot of people just can’t take you seriously. The very second someone challenges your analysis of something you start doing this. There is no scientific method at all to your process, is there?

Exactly, the guy makes some good points, but then follows it with stuff like this…

but, then he’s also wrong on a lot of things, or at least the way he states it what I’ve understood him as having said is wrong, but you can’t get a calm response in an attempt clarify his points.

I say this because again I think the guy does make some good points that people could learn from, but they get ignored because he acts in this manner. If his goal is to get these points across cut the crap and make the point and support it with facts. If his goal is to drum up youtube fanboys, by all means he’s doing a fine job creating controversy.

Nemesis.8593:

Why are you people saying average DPS ?… Nemesis said average DPS for 3 years straight… but the “self proclaimed pro” kept saying no no no… Nemesis is stupid… no AVERAGE DPS… MAX DPS… LOOK MATH !…

Except the numbers weve been comparing have always been average sustained dps. If we had included Icebow burst in those comparisons ele would be quoted as 60k dps instead of 15-18k (which is just staff by the way). And necro would have been quoted as higher dps. But we dont. We compare sustained dps. Usually over 30 second periods or repeatable rotations. Even though in reality burst is more important currently. Ironically the sustained dps comparisons has lead us to pick the best comps for bursting as well.

Plus what i find hilarious is that warriors burst dps is exactly the same as their sustain dps. Its the one class that is almost completely constant regardless of encounter length. And then you compare it to necro burst and make claims as if the warrior was bursting and had the advantage. The numbers were severely skewed in the necros favour and they still lost to a phalanx build. Just proves that what we have been saying since the beginning was right all along.

Besides im sure weve told you this countless times before but the meta isnt about dps. 2 eles and a warrior is enough to completely cover dps. The main time saves come from utility and tactics. Which is why necro is excluded. Because they take a slot, dont buff like warrior and dont do as much sustained or burst damage as ele. And they certainly dont have utility like mesmer/thief/guard/engi. So really what are you trying to prove? Your reasons for why you get kicked from groups is completely false. Its nothing to do with damage.

And yes icebow is broken. But thats just beating a dead horse with a stick. Noone disagrees with that. And its almost always excluded from dps comparisons for obvious reasons. No idea what you were trying to achieve in this video other than spreading misinformation and riling up your blind followers.

spoj.9672:

Except the numbers weve been comparing have always been average sustained dps. If we had included Icebow burst in those comparisons ele would be quoted as 60k dps instead of 15-18k (which is just staff by the way). And necro would have been quoted as higher dps. But we dont. We compare sustained dps. Usually over 30 second periods or repeatable rotations. Even though in reality burst is more important currently. Ironically the sustained dps comparisons has lead us to pick the best comps for bursting as well.

Plus what i find hilarious is that warriors burst dps is exactly the same as their sustain dps. Its the one class that is almost completely constant regardless of encounter length. And then you compare it to necro burst and make claims as if the warrior was bursting and had the advantage. The numbers were severely skewed in the necros favour and they still lost to a phalanx build. Just proves that what we have been saying since the beginning was right all along.

Besides im sure weve told you this countless times before but the meta isnt about dps. 2 eles and a warrior is enough to completely cover dps. The main time saves come from utility and tactics. Which is why necro is excluded. Because they take a slot, dont buff like warrior and dont do as much sustained or burst damage as ele. And they certainly dont have utility like mesmer/thief/guard/engi. So really what are you trying to prove? Your reasons for why you get kicked from groups is completely false. Its nothing to do with damage.

And yes icebow is broken. But thats just beating a dead horse with a stick. Noone disagrees with that. And its almost always excluded from dps comparisons for obvious reasons. No idea what you were trying to achieve in this video other than spreading misinformation and riling up your blind followers.

It’s weird to see you reply seriously to Nemesis again.
Aren’t you bored yet? It’s already clear that he’s not planning on taking this seriously, all he’ll do is spout some nonsense about “part 2, heuheueheuheu, I’m such a special snowflake”.

Axelwarrior.9084:

spoj.9672:

Except the numbers weve been comparing have always been average sustained dps. If we had included Icebow burst in those comparisons ele would be quoted as 60k dps instead of 15-18k (which is just staff by the way). And necro would have been quoted as higher dps. But we dont. We compare sustained dps. Usually over 30 second periods or repeatable rotations. Even though in reality burst is more important currently. Ironically the sustained dps comparisons has lead us to pick the best comps for bursting as well.

Plus what i find hilarious is that warriors burst dps is exactly the same as their sustain dps. Its the one class that is almost completely constant regardless of encounter length. And then you compare it to necro burst and make claims as if the warrior was bursting and had the advantage. The numbers were severely skewed in the necros favour and they still lost to a phalanx build. Just proves that what we have been saying since the beginning was right all along.

Besides im sure weve told you this countless times before but the meta isnt about dps. 2 eles and a warrior is enough to completely cover dps. The main time saves come from utility and tactics. Which is why necro is excluded. Because they take a slot, dont buff like warrior and dont do as much sustained or burst damage as ele. And they certainly dont have utility like mesmer/thief/guard/engi. So really what are you trying to prove? Your reasons for why you get kicked from groups is completely false. Its nothing to do with damage.

And yes icebow is broken. But thats just beating a dead horse with a stick. Noone disagrees with that. And its almost always excluded from dps comparisons for obvious reasons. No idea what you were trying to achieve in this video other than spreading misinformation and riling up your blind followers.

It’s weird to see you reply seriously to Nemesis again.
Aren’t you bored yet? It’s already clear that he’s not planning on taking this seriously, all he’ll do is spout some nonsense about “part 2, heuheueheuheu, I’m such a special snowflake”.

All snowflakes are special.

Anyways.. this is why I nearly never pve in this game… It’s a complete bore.

Lets all speed run and fly through the dungeon 0 skill required just meta garbage playing itself.

Nothing difficult or skillful about pve… there’s nothing exciting about it XD. This all boils down to farming and farming isn’t fun.

TheDevice.2751:

Anyways.. this is why I nearly never pve in this game… It’s a complete bore.

Lets all speed run and fly through the dungeon 0 skill required just meta garbage playing itself.

Nothing difficult or skillful about pve… there’s nothing exciting about it XD. This all boils down to farming and farming isn’t fun.

Or maybe, and I know this is a radical concept, but maybe everyone has a different idea of what they find fun.

Blaine Tog.8304:

TheDevice.2751:

Anyways.. this is why I nearly never pve in this game… It’s a complete bore.

Lets all speed run and fly through the dungeon 0 skill required just meta garbage playing itself.

Nothing difficult or skillful about pve… there’s nothing exciting about it XD. This all boils down to farming and farming isn’t fun.

Or maybe, and I know this is a radical concept, but maybe everyone has a different idea of what they find fun.

^

This guy. Fun is different to everyone. I love this games pve, and I’m very excited to see where raids go. It’s all up to what the person finds fun.

i dont think i ever said nobody should pve lol

I’m pretty sure I said thats why I dont pve….

TheDevice.2751:

0 skill required just meta garbage playing itself

Brah, do you even pve?

SlyDevil.3952:

TheDevice.2751:

0 skill required just meta garbage playing itself

Brah, do you even pve?

Naw see in PVP you need real skill, I mean, tossing on a condi amulet and copying a build from Meta battle doesn’t work, it’s not like you can play a condi guard and hit your shelter and let people kill themselves. PVP is where true skill lies. It’s always hard, it’s the true GW2 game. That’s why ANet does the e-sports stuff, and have you seen how successful it is? I mean, wow, like a thousand viewers! that’s so many people! Silly PVE noobs. Stacking and exploiting everything, they really should be ashamed of themselves.

Jerus.4350:

SlyDevil.3952:

TheDevice.2751:

0 skill required just meta garbage playing itself

Brah, do you even pve?

Naw see in PVP you need real skill, I mean, tossing on a condi amulet and copying a build from Meta battle doesn’t work, it’s not like you can play a condi guard and hit your shelter and let people kill themselves. PVP is where true skill lies. It’s always hard, it’s the true GW2 game. That’s why ANet does the e-sports stuff, and have you seen how successful it is? I mean, wow, like a thousand viewers! that’s so many people! Silly PVE noobs. Stacking and exploiting everything, they really should be ashamed of themselves.

Fashion Wars is the real GW2 skill mode. So many outfits and haircuts, I bet you don’t even updo.

Jerus.4350:

SlyDevil.3952:

TheDevice.2751:

0 skill required just meta garbage playing itself

Brah, do you even pve?

Naw see in PVP you need real skill, I mean, tossing on a condi amulet and copying a build from Meta battle doesn’t work, it’s not like you can play a condi guard and hit your shelter and let people kill themselves. PVP is where true skill lies. It’s always hard, it’s the true GW2 game. That’s why ANet does the e-sports stuff, and have you seen how successful it is? I mean, wow, like a thousand viewers! that’s so many people! Silly PVE noobs. Stacking and exploiting everything, they really should be ashamed of themselves.

lol at the condi guardian part. That bit was good.

I think some purposefully misspelling and erratic, aggressive grammar would have been even better to capture that uppity pvp guy essence.

meow one twenty.4376:

Jerus.4350:

SlyDevil.3952:

TheDevice.2751:

0 skill required just meta garbage playing itself

Brah, do you even pve?

Naw see in PVP you need real skill, I mean, tossing on a condi amulet and copying a build from Meta battle doesn’t work, it’s not like you can play a condi guard and hit your shelter and let people kill themselves. PVP is where true skill lies. It’s always hard, it’s the true GW2 game. That’s why ANet does the e-sports stuff, and have you seen how successful it is? I mean, wow, like a thousand viewers! that’s so many people! Silly PVE noobs. Stacking and exploiting everything, they really should be ashamed of themselves.

Fashion Wars is the real GW2 skill mode. So many outfits and haircuts, I bet you don’t even updo.

Psh Meta their 2. Ppl r lik “y rnt u Human fmale?” “y no Legendry?” dam elitsts I make my chars look pritty without all that stuff n then they giv me greef about it. Get over urselves. I wanted the Arh geer bcause it was cool but then I had to deel with all the elitsts gain. U just cant play without runnin into them. Its stoopd. ppl like that shood just go away.

Or we can just stack our characters in one spot and spam all our skills till boss dies over and over and over and over and over…… (9 hrs later) and over and over and over…

TheDevice.2751:

Or we can just stack our characters in one spot and spam all our skills till boss dies over and over and over and over and over…… (9 hrs later) and over and over and over…

srsly y do ppl think thre gud? frkin scrubs. PVP is were its at. That takes actaul skill. I can ran Arh in my slipe, it juts taks a few times doin it to get gud, then you memrize what is happn and just repeet, stack in this corner, stack in that corner, and ure done. so stpd.

Jerus.4350:

TheDevice.2751:

Or we can just stack our characters in one spot and spam all our skills till boss dies over and over and over and over and over…… (9 hrs later) and over and over and over…

srsly y do ppl think thre gud? frkin scrubs. PVP is were its at. That takes actaul skill. I can ran Arh in my slipe, it juts taks a few times doin it to get gud, then you memrize what is happn and just repeet, stack in this corner, stack in that corner, and ure done. so stpd.

Lol is that really what I sound like? I just don’t like pve in this game man im sorry XD No more vortic impersonations

TheDevice.2751:

Jerus.4350:

TheDevice.2751:

Or we can just stack our characters in one spot and spam all our skills till boss dies over and over and over and over and over…… (9 hrs later) and over and over and over…

srsly y do ppl think thre gud? frkin scrubs. PVP is were its at. That takes actaul skill. I can ran Arh in my slipe, it juts taks a few times doin it to get gud, then you memrize what is happn and just repeet, stack in this corner, stack in that corner, and ure done. so stpd.

Lol is that really what I sound like? I just don’t like pve in this game man im sorry XD No more vortic impersonations

You have to take into consideration that about 70% of the really active people in a gaming community are underaged, hell… according to YouTube demographic statistics the average view’s age is 13 years old.

Now… if you know these facts it kind of gives you a better perspective on the whole situation.

I’m just afraid that part II would be too complicated for most people to even comprehend… writing the script for it will be difficult since i will have to dumb it down a lot = lots of words &… i have to make it under 30 minutes because of the average viewer’s attention span = NOT lots of words…

I’ll have to add a lot of drama to keep people involved till the end, otherwise all my work has been for nothing.

I hope all my hard work will pay off… one day…

Might want to cut down the drama if you want to actually make a point without people finding fault in your first few phrases. Just a little tip. Again, I think you make some great points, but they’re hidden behind all the controversy that you like to stir up. You rarely hit the potential damage, and the professions aren’t as imbalanced as they seem on paper, that’s what I get from your comments, and I fully agree, however you cloud that with the controversy, you simply do yourself a disservice by being abrasive and callous. If your goal is to actually change the minds of many players you’re doing a terrible job, if your goal is to provoke a lot of people into following you on youtube you’re doing a great job, keep it up.

Jerus.4350:

Might want to cut down the drama if you want to actually make a point without people finding fault in your first few phrases. Just a little tip. Again, I think you make some great points, but they’re hidden behind all the controversy that you like to stir up. You rarely hit the potential damage, and the professions aren’t as imbalanced as they seem on paper, that’s what I get from your comments, and I fully agree, however you cloud that with the controversy, you simply do yourself a disservice by being abrasive and callous. If your goal is to actually change the minds of many players you’re doing a terrible job, if your goal is to provoke a lot of people into following you on youtube you’re doing a great job, keep it up.

The points i was making… i have been making for years… i added a bit of drama… Reddit post exploded, replies were coming in faster then i could read them, 16000 views in 2 days…

Morgan Freeman in his show “Through the wormhole” also makes good points, does he have views on YouTube ? NO… and he is THE Morgan Freeman.

If i put on calculations with a dull voice like on the weather channel, people will close the video by the 3rd minute, i would get 3000 views… 300 people would actually get it…

I just wasted 3 weeks of my life so that 300 people can get my point and i get 2$ from add revenue as a reward.

My goal is to perpetuate my points… not to get followers… you can’t get proper income from Guild Wars 2 content no matter what you do.

If i make 1x 10min video properly trolling feminism i would obtain 100 times more from it then any Guild Wars 2 video i have ever made. In fact… if this doesn’t turn out profitable eventually… this is what i will end up doing.

Just like every other YouTuber out there who is slowly converting into parodies and trolling because it’s what works… it’s what the people want to see…
People always make fun of Miley Cyrus and Kim Kardashian and Donalt Trump, yet you still watch them… you still vote for them…

It’s beyond ridiculous… it’s sad really…

Quantity of posts doesn’t mean quality of posts.

You literally changed my view and enlightened me a bit when you sat down and had a pleasant discussion with Brazil to the point that I told people to give you a chance and listen to that video.

In the end at this point you’re getting thousands of views and maybe a dozen understand it.

Please, focus on your points. A little drama is one thing, creating this clusterkitten of controversy is a bit much. Again, I don’t disagree with what I see as your points. I think they’re great and should be embraced. But, the way you do things the points get lost. You end up with overly meta focused people being annoyed, and overly anti-meta people being rabid in fanboyism, and the moderate people who are actually looking for some quality being confused.

Again, I think the best video I saw you in was the one when you discussed stuff with Brazil, I thought you seemed very reasonable hitting on some great points that really needed to be emphasized. Points that would open the eyes of many people and surely took my saggy droopy eyes and woke me up to things that I knew but had ignored. That’s the Nemesis I want to see.

I’m not saying you want revenue from Youtube but, the best I can tell is you want followers, you want views. I’d rather you get less views but people actually understand the point and maybe, just maybe that permeates throughout the community to understand these big things that I think you have right. That mathmatical theoretical potential dps means very little when you actually play the game as a normal player. Instead actual practical empirical data is far more beneficial. Just because members of high end guilds can hit near potential doesn’t mean that should be expected. And with that ease of play comes into play, and well, fact is it’s really pretty easy and practical to play necro near potential, while many of the professions that have higher potential it simply isn’t.

But, I’m not looking to get in an arguement or really even a discussion with you, I’m simply expressing my point of view on the matter. And, I’ll agree with you again that it’s a sad world we live in when controversy brings people in…even if the points go right over their heads. At the moment though it just feels like you’ve brought one idiot extreme to your side, and the other idiot extreme against you while you’ve confused the larger middle group.

edit: ok, I don’t have the time/willpower to edit it all for grammatical errors atm, but be nice, I’m drunk but the point I feel is still there, just whiskey gets the better of my fine motor skills and education.

Jerus.4350:

Might want to cut down the drama if you want to actually make a point without people finding fault in your first few phrases. Just a little tip. Again, I think you make some great points, but they’re hidden behind all the controversy that you like to stir up. You rarely hit the potential damage, and the professions aren’t as imbalanced as they seem on paper, that’s what I get from your comments, and I fully agree, however you cloud that with the controversy, you simply do yourself a disservice by being abrasive and callous. If your goal is to actually change the minds of many players you’re doing a terrible job, if your goal is to provoke a lot of people into following you on youtube you’re doing a great job, keep it up.

You think his video would have gotten the attention it did without the drama ?
Look at how much attention it’s getting, just because Nemesis is poking a beehive with a stick a bit.
And all the suckers are massively falling for it.

I seriously haven’t seen a troll bait work this well since…. well ages ago.

Not that his video isn’t trying to be serious. But he adds drama and stuff on the sides. Like salad with a steak dinner.
Like I said before. I’m not buying the math until a second (independent) person confirms that math. I’m a scientist by nature, that’s how things work.

But I do think that some of his theories hold true; and not just ice bow. Because everyone is falling over the ice bow thing. But the whole concept of the meta is that 1% of the PvE community makes up a certain tactic and posts a video about it; and then the other 99% copies it blindly, doesn’t even KNOW what they are really doing and think they are also pro by doing it the same way.

Nyth.3492:

You think his video would have gotten the attention it did without the drama ?
Look at how much attention it’s getting, just because Nemesis is poking a beehive with a stick a bit.
And all the suckers are massively falling for it.

Yes, falling for it…

Nemesis:
“I don’t care about views because gw2 isn’t popular enough to make any money with it anyway…”
…
“Great success! Look at how many views I got because I overdramatized my content!”

Nyth.3492:

Jerus.4350:

Might want to cut down the drama if you want to actually make a point without people finding fault in your first few phrases. Just a little tip. Again, I think you make some great points, but they’re hidden behind all the controversy that you like to stir up. You rarely hit the potential damage, and the professions aren’t as imbalanced as they seem on paper, that’s what I get from your comments, and I fully agree, however you cloud that with the controversy, you simply do yourself a disservice by being abrasive and callous. If your goal is to actually change the minds of many players you’re doing a terrible job, if your goal is to provoke a lot of people into following you on youtube you’re doing a great job, keep it up.

You think his video would have gotten the attention it did without the drama ?
Look at how much attention it’s getting, just because Nemesis is poking a beehive with a stick a bit.
And all the suckers are massively falling for it.

I seriously haven’t seen a troll bait work this well since…. well ages ago.

Not that his video isn’t trying to be serious. But he adds drama and stuff on the sides. Like salad with a steak dinner.
Like I said before. I’m not buying the math until a second (independent) person confirms that math. I’m a scientist by nature, that’s how things work.

But I do think that some of his theories hold true; and not just ice bow. Because everyone is falling over the ice bow thing. But the whole concept of the meta is that 1% of the PvE community makes up a certain tactic and posts a video about it; and then the other 99% copies it blindly, doesn’t even KNOW what they are really doing and think they are also pro by doing it the same way.

If his goal is troll bait well, my respect for him is gone completely. I hope he wants more than that, his discussions in the past make me feel it isn’t but I’ll let him answer that.

You’re 100% right in your last paragraph though. And I can’t help but feel that’s one of his points, that the meta is pretty dumb as outside of organized groups it’s quite meaningless. I joined a “meta group” today that ended up being a PUG group I helped lead with the help of another well played thief (I was on mesmer). I watch these so called meta players do horribly throughout the dungeon not contributing blasts for stealth, not picking up banners to bring to the next boss, not really doing anything “meta” other then perhaps bringing the right STANDARD build, and I like to emphasize that STANDARD as it’s the baseline, it’s meant to be tweaked to the situation, not to be sat in the whole time.

I go through Arah on my mesmer constantly swapping between a Scholar runeset and a Centaur rune set so I can have swiftness (which in a meta group is provided for me by the Ele/war) but not only that in these “meta” pugs I feel the need to go full carry and swap in Prismatic Understanding so i can safely stealth me and them through skips because they refuse to blast the stealth or simply fail to place it at the right locations. So more often than not whether it be an ‘all welcome" or a “Meta ping gear” group I end up portaling people through it, that’s just kittening dumb.

I’m ALL for what I feel is Nemesis’s point is in that the Meta has no place in PUGs, that the Ideal is simply unreachable when you’re dealing with the community as a whole. And, that people should broaden their horizons to actually see what different professions are capable and understand them to the point that really everything has a strength in different situations.

I really don’t disagree with the guy much, in fact I wish he made what I feel his points are more clearly but they simply get hidden by the kittenstorm that is his styel of approach.

PUG Meta and Optimized Meta are very different things. If you bring the optimized Meta into ANY PUG you’re in for a bad time. I can’t tell you how frustrated I get when I see Nokk get pulled down the ramp in a “meta” group, I get infuriated when my group sits in a corner while I pull the three golems together and lay a reflect on them. It’s the best example of completely lacking the understanding of the game that I can think of. I mean for gods sake I’ve had groups with 2X guard that insist on those tactics. It’s pathetic.

So I value his willingness to fight that ignorance. But he overshoots it and creates a controversy instead of actually portraying at least what I feel his point is. Maybe I’m wrong. but from what I’ve seem from the guy he actually has very valid and important points, but simply no seems to get it.

Sorry for the novels, but really, I think there is value in Nemesis’s stuff, I just think it’s overshadowed to the point that it’s lost in his desire for controversy. It’s sad, but again he’s right, controversy gets views, whether they understand it or not seems to be ignored.

Jerus.4350:

Sorry for the novels, but really, I think there is value in Nemesis’s stuff, I just think it’s overshadowed to the point that it’s lost in his desire for controversy. It’s sad, but again he’s right, controversy gets views, whether they understand it or not seems to be ignored.

Agreed. I personally don’t like it either.
But you can’t disagree that to some extend it worked.

I’m not even sure he’s doing it for the views or just to spark discussion.
If the latter then good work maybe. I would’ve liked to see it done differently probably, but I doubt many other ways would have worked.
I’ve seen a few videos over the past years addressing the same issue, but none of them really had this much attention. Most were just discussed for half a day, buried and forgotten.

If the former and he just wants the views; then it’s both lame and rather dumb. YT average age is about 13 years. Make some minecraft videos while you make poop jokes and you’ll attain much more views. I’ve seen the harsh truth -.-

flow.6043:

Nyth.3492:

You think his video would have gotten the attention it did without the drama ?
Look at how much attention it’s getting, just because Nemesis is poking a beehive with a stick a bit.
And all the suckers are massively falling for it.

Yes, falling for it…

Nemesis:
“I don’t care about views because gw2 isn’t popular enough to make any money with it anyway…”
…
“Great success! Look at how many views I got because I overdramatized my content!”

You’re going to put words in my mouth again ?… You’re like 12 aren’t you… The second quote is not mine, you straight up invented it…
I did however said that 10.000$ = about 10-15$ though.

Yes… reaching 10.000 people can change a lot of minds, but if you want to make a living you need to reach 1.000.000, especially if you worked on that video for 3 weeks… Now when was the last time you saw a Guild Wars 2 video reach 1 mil views ?

You’re just a sad troll who only aims to insult me… and i am feeding you…
Say… got any troll friends ?…

Thanks for explaining my feelings with fancy words Jerus.

It’s funny to see people in the topic saying they don’t care about Nemesis’ video, saying that it’s not worth it to reply to him, while replying, insulting him, etc. They really have nothing else to do with their time, poor sad fellows Let’s all have a minute of silence for them.

Talking about insults… like kitten, motherkittener and kitten?
(Edit: kitten you automatic censor function! Well, if you´ve watched the video in question you know what I mean)

Seriously, if you want to get a point across and add some entertainment value to your content, you don´t need to make excessive use of slurs to do so. All that does is distract people from the actual content and stir up turmoil, even if you flag it as “parody” beforehand.

So, Nemesis, I can see and appreciate the work you put into your videos and I think you have a point there, but the way you try to deliver that point is cringeworthy.
I really doubt that the gross your followers (especially the vocal fraction of them) actually get what you are trying to say, because they are too busy jacking off listening to you “shoing dem filty eltistz meeta zerkzz lololol!!!11”.

Listening to you on Teatime when you where on the other day did a way better job of getting that point of yours across, while simultaneously being less vile. Maybe you should take that into consideration for future content.

Nemesis.8593:

flow.6043:

Nemesis:
“I don’t care about views because gw2 isn’t popular enough to make any money with it anyway…”
…
“Great success! Look at how many views I got because I overdramatized my content!”

You’re going to put words in my mouth again ?… You’re like 12 aren’t you… The second quote is not mine, you straight up invented it…

Nemesis.8593:

… i added a bit of drama… Reddit post exploded, replies were coming in faster then i could read them, 16000 views in 2 days…

…

If i put on calculations with a dull voice like on the weather channel, people will close the video by the 3rd minute, i would get 3000 views… 300 people would actually get it…

I just wasted 3 weeks of my life so that 300 people can get my point and i get 2$ from add revenue as a reward.

… you can’t get proper income from Guild Wars 2 content no matter what you do.

So it wasn’t a direct quote, but I rephrased and summarized what you’ve been saying so far.
Do you really not see a contradiction here?
You claim that you want to be provocative in order to boost your video’s popularity. But why do you do it? According to you that’s a pointless effort because you can’t make money with gw2 anyway.
Well then, are you doing it to reach a bigger audience with the points you’re trying to make? In that case, just have a proper discussion with us instead of immediately accusing everyone who doesn’t agree with you of being a troll.

I think nemesis is doing a good job. Is his attitude over the top? Possibly but he says what a lot of people think about the mentality of the meta people. Ive done my share of stacking dungeons and feel forced to play my ele even though i dont want to and it is seriously boring to do the stacking tactics. Most pug groups dont even pick up icebows when you drop them so why bother writing meta and doing meta runs when 95% of the people are just doing it because its the thing to do. Its the sheep culture we live in where everyone follows the same bandwagon. Bit hypocritical of me to say when i just said i had to play my ele. Some of us just dont get the chance though, i havent got the time to sit and wait a long time for a normal group to come by. Really wish this meta mentality died. I think nemesis has a similar view on it hence why he keeps calling them scrubs because thats what the elitist meta people call anyone doing anything different. Im looking forward to part 2 and more to for a raid and reaper video.

Except that his video isn’t really helping. His only stating the obvious without any solution.

People want relatively smooth runs. Most people aren’t good enough to carry inexperienced players so they need a way to exclude players with a poor performance. And that’s why people want “exp” or “meta” runs even when the run is usually far from it.

You say most pugs perform bad. Now imagine their performance if they had some crappy builds.

JoaoFA.8475:

It’s funny to see people in the topic saying they don’t care about Nemesis’ video, saying that it’s not worth it to reply to him, while replying, insulting him, etc. They really have nothing else to do with their time, poor sad fellows Let’s all have a minute of silence for them.

Let’s have a minute of silence for you.

Wethospu.6437:

JoaoFA.8475:

It’s funny to see people in the topic saying they don’t care about Nemesis’ video, saying that it’s not worth it to reply to him, while replying, insulting him, etc. They really have nothing else to do with their time, poor sad fellows Let’s all have a minute of silence for them.

Let’s have a minute of silence for you.

Yes, please give him a minute of silence. Please give us a lot more silence if you plan on being a prick to other people without adding to the discussion.

the noobiniser.7465:

Wethospu.6437:

JoaoFA.8475:

It’s funny to see people in the topic saying they don’t care about Nemesis’ video, saying that it’s not worth it to reply to him, while replying, insulting him, etc. They really have nothing else to do with their time, poor sad fellows Let’s all have a minute of silence for them.

Let’s have a minute of silence for you.

Yes, please give him a minute of silence. Please give us a lot more silence if you plan on being a prick to other people without adding to the discussion.

Totally agreed.

Skoigoth.9238:

Talking about insults… like kitten, motherkittener and kitten?
(Edit: kitten you automatic censor function! Well, if you´ve watched the video in question you know what I mean)

Seriously, if you want to get a point across and add some entertainment value to your content, you don´t need to make excessive use of slurs to do so. All that does is distract people from the actual content and stir up turmoil, even if you flag it as “parody” beforehand.

So, Nemesis, I can see and appreciate the work you put into your videos and I think you have a point there, but the way you try to deliver that point is cringeworthy.
I really doubt that the gross your followers (especially the vocal fraction of them) actually get what you are trying to say, because they are too busy jacking off listening to you “shoing dem filty eltistz meeta zerkzz lololol!!!11”.

Listening to you on Teatime when you where on the other day did a way better job of getting that point of yours across, while simultaneously being less vile. Maybe you should take that into consideration for future content.

He is correct nemesis, I stopped watching you for a while whilst I was taking a break from GW2 and rediscovered you in tea time where you were discussing with brazil.

That was a good discussion, please do keep your videos more constructive like that. Suggesting people to do stuff ( like suggesting brazil to try LFG as a necro because of the meta culture he helped creating).

I Felt like you were attacking the meta community as a whole in this video, instead of the sheep that think they are better in a “meta LFG” (which is just total bull).

Please keep making fantastic build videos and calculations and such, I really like playing your builds and even played the hybrid build for a few months when it came out. But also try to go in discussion with the “meta” builders instead of lowering to the haters’ level and straight up insulting them.

…have you guys seen his older videos and their forum threads?

The ones where he was way, way more polite in the video and especially in his posts?

He pretty much received the exact same reactions, from the same type or set of people.

If his tone doesn’t actually matter, why not go poking some bee hives for more traffic?

Artemid.3925:

…have you guys seen his older videos and their forum threads?

The ones where he was way, way more polite in the video and especially in his posts?

He pretty much received the exact same reactions, from the same type or set of people.

If his tone doesn’t actually matter, why not go poking some bee hives for more traffic?

That’s true, but I did like his videos with a friendly tone a lot more tbh, it feels like he stays above the haters when he just doesn’t interact with them or mentions them.

the noobiniser.7465:

Artemid.3925:

…have you guys seen his older videos and their forum threads?

The ones where he was way, way more polite in the video and especially in his posts?

He pretty much received the exact same reactions, from the same type or set of people.

If his tone doesn’t actually matter, why not go poking some bee hives for more traffic?

That’s true, but I did like his videos with a friendly tone a lot more tbh, it feels like he stays above the haters when he just doesn’t interact with them or mentions them.

You… and people like you… are the minority… I am doing this for the majority.
Don’t you see… i toned down a bit on my language and suddenly i’m not getting any more feedback/attention.
Attention = coverage… still doesn’t equal profit since 10.000 views on YouTube = about 10-15$, but at least i reached 10.000 viewers and my ideas will probably rich 20.000 people.

I expect compensation for my efforts when this is done, and i’m not even trolling

Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.