Guild Wars 2

@Haviz

Look this game has three different aspects, that are all vastly different from each other. If he means PvE only something I care little about because I refuse to PvE in any game, ever again, then he needs to say PvE only. If he makes a blanket statement, one can assume he also means sPvP, and WvW.

The Ranger in my opinion is fine in PvE, based off feedback from Rangers who PvE. The Ranger is fine in sPvP for various reasons, most importantly the damage in sPvP is much, much less than it is in WvW making it easier to adapt with the Ranger. However, when it comes to WvW, the Ranger is lacking, even in damage.

I’ve outlined some ideas here…..

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Changes-the-Ranger-needs-for-WVW/first

jkctmc.8754:

haviz.1340:

Solandri.9640:

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It still makes the test invalid, either use it and stability is valid as well or don’t at all. Arguing that stability makes this test invalid is just a nonsense which jkctmc confirmed saying aegis would make same test invalid for guardian. It’s a class skill, how does that make any sense? You’re allowed to use your class mechanics.

Because it is supposed to be a burst, or sustainable damage test, not a defense or utility test. The Ranger had the chance to do uninterrupted damage, the Warrior did not.

Could I equally submit this video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMI_MzO52lw

..as a benchmark for world vs world because a Confusion build Mesmer downed a Warrior in 6 seconds, (watch between 0:54 and 1:00) gaining Confusion tick damage in bursts with back to back damage; 5479, 5900, 6743, 7165?

People rarely complain about PvE because it is god awful easy to manage. What most people complain about, or are concerned about is world vs world, where damage is extremely high.

Show me a non-Asuran Ranger who can do the burst in world vs world the video shows the Mesmer doing against ascended geared players, and I’ll eat my words.

Hmm

9:50 in the video
;o)

Yes I know he was frenzied

jkctmc.8754:

@Haviz

Look this game has three different aspects, that are all vastly different from each other. If he means PvE only something I care little about because I refuse to PvE in any game, ever again, then he needs to say PvE only. If he makes a blanket statement, one can assume he also means sPvP, and WvW.

I assume it’s pve cause the test subject is a mob.

The Ranger in my opinion is fine in PvE, based off feedback from Rangers who PvE.

True but a large chunk of pve population thinks otherwise.

I’ve outlined some ideas here…..

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Changes-the-Ranger-needs-for-WVW/first

Those are pretty good ideas.

@Xsorus

When I first seen that, I about fell out of my chair laughing at the thought of people actually dying to a pet, without dodging, or using crowd control on the pet. After the third one, I almost shed a tear.

It’s awesome damage none-the-less, and would love to see it duplicated using Signet of the Wild.

jkctmc.8754:

@Xsorus

When I first seen that, I about fell out of my chair laughing at the thought of people actually dying to a pet, without dodging, or using crowd control on the pet. After the third one, I almost shed a tear.

It’s awesome damage none-the-less, and would love to see it duplicated using Signet of the Wild.

Signet of the Wild might be able to replace SickEm, but it has such a long cooldown…I suppose you could use it outside the keep for more damage instead of Signet of the Hunt…if Signet was lower though i’d say you could do it easily..Could also do Signet of the Hunt + Sickem instead of QZ…not sure how well it’d work..I should try that

Also reason it kills a lot of people is simply because most are bad, and sitting on Siege.. plus they likely have berserker, I’m still laughing at that Warrior though…that cracks me up every time I see it.

haviz.1340:

Solandri.9640:

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It still makes the test invalid, either use it and stability is valid as well or don’t at all. Arguing that stability makes this test invalid is just a nonsense which jkctmc confirmed saying aegis would make same test invalid for guardian. It’s a class skill, how does that make any sense? You’re allowed to use your class mechanics.

I’m not sure what you’re arguing about. I never said the test was invalid. I said the comparison was invalid.

The ranger video is a pretty good test of ranger burst damage, since it’s just all-out DPS without having to do anything defensive like dodge.

It’s the comparison to the warrior video – claiming ranger burst damage was as good as warrior burst damage – that I thought was invalid. The ranger was doing full damage 100% of the time. The warrior was not. Ergo invalid comparison. The ranger test is a good burst test. The warrior test is not. If anything, the fact that the warrior managed to kill the mob in roughly the same time as the ranger despite dodging and mis-using the GS #5 skill is a pretty clear indication that ranger burst is significantly worse than warrior burst.

(Which is not to say the two should be the same. That’s a whole ’nother argument about balance, flexibility, and utility. I was just pointing out that the videos do not support the conclusion the player who posted them claims they do.)

i would defend chopps against the haters but i wanna see videos of him soloing the bosses with that free software someone suggested :P

does that make me evil?

Solandri.9640:

I’m not sure what you’re arguing about. I never said the test was invalid. I said the comparison was invalid.

You test something to compare.

jkctmc.8754:

haviz.1340:

jkctmc.8754:

I guess you don’t know the history of Chopps, and those who stand behind him, and you don’t understand that when he makes a thread like this, he’s actually talking about all aspects of the game, and trying to tell people the Ranger needs no help. He has said multiple times that if you believe the Ranger needs help, you just don’t know how to play the Ranger.

What I see here is a burst test in pve.

It’s not shocking to discover you’re a Thief, who is also supporting the idea that the Ranger class does not need any help, most importantly in WvW. I had a feeling balance wasn’t what you were looking for, I just needed you to say it.

It’s not shocking to discover you think that narrowly. I have six characters and none of them I consider “main” ideology but seems like a lot of people comes from various mmos where you’re stuck to something like “main” and not from gw1 pvp where you’re mostly stuck to role because you can reroll in 1 minute and get fully equipped and levelled character.

Would you be so kind and point out where I said that ranger didn’t need any help? 5 minutes of gameplay points out a vast amount of improvements it needs, burst capability not being on the top of that list.

You wouldn’t understand if you havn’t had to deal with Chopps in other threads. It’s his attitude in other threads are behind his reasoning for this thread.

Do you feel the Ranger has an equal level of burst in WvW, that a Warrior, Thief, or Mesmer has?

I have no idea why you seem to feel that insults and child like rage will get you what you want but every post you make seems to contain both those elements as you quickly try to back peddle or move a thread off its topic.

You were the first person to mention PVP and W3, you’re the person that continues to mention it in this thread and you’re also the person yet again, throwing out the insults and trying to back peddle and make out it’s someone else’s fault that you keep talking about W3.

Because jkctmc is madly in love with Chopps, don’t you know? Just can’t let him go.

haviz.1340:

The Ranger in my opinion is fine in PvE, based off feedback from Rangers who PvE.

True but a large chunk of pve population thinks otherwise.

Raises hand on behalf of the population who thinks otherwise.

haviz.1340:

Solandri.9640:

I’m not sure what you’re arguing about. I never said the test was invalid. I said the comparison was invalid.

You test something to compare.

And to make a valid comparison, you need to have similar tests. These tests were not similar, plain and simple. As I’ve said multiple times, either the warrior needs to run the test using stability and attack the entire time (ignore the knockdowns), or the ranger needs to drop stability and dodge the knockdowns.