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Entire thread overloaded with speculative theory craft
Yup. I particularly like the part I read.
When fighting a thief, start with barrage…
Even if the thief comes up behind you and hits you with a backstab, you may not be able to swoop away if they used basilisk venom. Even if they don’t use the venom, you are still in combat so you switch from LB to GS and swoop away and then what? You think you’ll just be able to swap back to LB at the end of the swoop and using rapid fire? Your weapon swap will still be on CD.
So you have the fight starting with you losing 1/3 or more of your health from the BS, the thief removing the cripple and regening the little damage that skill does by re-entering stealth.
man you are incredible ahaha
in this thread there isn’t “theorycraft” all that is what i tested… presonally…
and when i said to “start with barrage” you forget “agaisnt a full zerker thief” and “if he uses invisibility”…
now i suppose you don’t have a full zerker thief so you can’t understand what i’m talking about but if you full zerker you have few ways to get invisiblity
and barrage with our great damage and thief’s low resistance may be enough to kill them while crippling and letting us laugh at them simply using SoS… i suggest you to read with more attention. Try those tactic in a real pvp match… then you will agree with me ^^
if a thief uses balisk on you the most important thing is to use your pet ability (fear will be the best or also immobilize. The swap to gs and swoop away was a defensive tactic never heard “attack and run”? Just look at some good wvw pvp on youtube and you see that everyone with a minimum of skill uses this tactic because allow us to get rid of our cd while get max benefits from passive regen and… i never said you need to swap again to LB; if you run away with swopp the most important thing in to press your enemy with counterattack then hilt bash and maul… this will reverse the match. But… am i talking about tactics? read better.
and cmon guys please stop with those statements… the problem here isn’t the “effectivenes of the build” because i tested very much… really there aren’t problems (unless those i said in specific pvp) so if you want to comment ask for “help”, “suggestions”, “tips” or at least “important (and real) improvements i can make” (because nothing is perfect) but please don’t try to attack my build with those statements because there is no reason and they are false
Entire thread overloaded with speculative theory craft
Yup. I particularly like the part I read.
When fighting a thief, start with barrage…
Even if the thief comes up behind you and hits you with a backstab, you may not be able to swoop away if they used basilisk venom. Even if they don’t use the venom, you are still in combat so you switch from LB to GS and swoop away and then what? You think you’ll just be able to swap back to LB at the end of the swoop and using rapid fire? Your weapon swap will still be on CD.
So you have the fight starting with you losing 1/3 or more of your health from the BS, the thief removing the cripple and regening the little damage that skill does by re-entering stealth.
man you are incredible ahaha
in this thread there isn’t “theorycraft” all that is what i tested… presonally…
and when i said to “start with barrage” you forget “agaisnt a full zerker thief” and “if he uses invisibility”…
now i suppose you don’t have a full zerker thief so you can’t understand what i’m talking about but if you full zerker you have few ways to get invisiblityif a thief uses balisk on you the most important thing is to use your pet ability (fear will be the best or also immobilize. The swap to gs and swoop away was a defensive tactic never heard “attack and run”? Just look at some good wvw pvp on youtube and you see that everyone with a minimum of skill uses this tactic because allow us to get rid of our cd while get max benefits from passive regen and… i never said you need to swap again to LB; if you run away with swopp the most important thing in to press your enemy with counterattack then hilt bash and maul… this will reverse the match. But… am i talking about tactics? read better.
and cmon guys please stop with those statements… the problem here isn’t the “effectivenes of the build” because i tested very much… really there aren’t problems (unless those i said in specific pvp) so if you want to comment ask for “help”, “suggestions”, “tips” or at least “important (and real) improvements i can make” (because nothing is perfect) but please don’t try to attack my build with those statements because there is no reason and they are false
My first 80 was a Ranger. I’ve had it at 80 for longer than any other profession. All I do is WvW.
A thief has plenty of ways to enter stealth, even as full zerker.
Dagger off hand skill 5
Dagger/pistol and use the combo skill 5
Healing skill
Shadow Refuge
There is another utility as well that I can’t think of. I could look it up but I really don’t care enough about the topic to do so.
Oh, did you know that barrage can be negated by pistol off hand skill 5? Since the blind is applied every second, once you are channeling, you get miss after miss after miss.
The field applies blind, first wave of barrage missing and removes blind, field re-applies, rinse and repeat until both skills expire.
Also
Venom -> C&D -> Steal/mug (while C&D is in mid cast)
The thief ports to the ranger, uses C&D w/ Venom, barrage stops (thief might get hit by just one wave of barrage), thief is in stealth (cripple is now gone) and follows it up with a BS which he gets off faster than you can break the stun.
You swap to GS, putting swap on CD so after you swap you what? Well according to what you originally put, the ranger was suppose to successfully pull of the channel. So the Thief was suppose to what? Stand there and wait?
Because only by the ranger not hitting the thief and only if the thief doesn’t hit the ranger could the ranger possibly do what you said. And that is….
Barrage -> swap to GS -> Swoop away -> swap to LB -> Rapid Shot
Because if the ranger was in combat in any way..
Barrage -> swap to GW -> Swoop away -> Do something else while you wait for the CD -> Swap to LB -> Rapid Shot.
However, against any good thief with any range ability, your barrage will be cut short in one way or another.
But you go ahead and keep dreaming that a power build (aka physical damage build), which depends on you having a target (especially if you involve range weapons) will be strong against a class whose primary mechanic causes you to lose them as a target.
Oh and your best move is to save Barrage to use in on their shadow refuge since the odds are they will use it when their hp is half or lower and their heal is still on CD.
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Ok … let me see where can i start… it becomes interesting now
Dagger off hand skill 5
Dagger/pistol and use the combo skill 5
Healing skill
Shadow Refuge
i’m talking about full zerker ranger and full zerker ranger does not uses “healing skill” nor “pistol” (infact the second set is short bow ^^ ) nor shadow refuge (90% of times) nor dagger/pistol combo because as i said… d/d sb… that’s a berserker ranger…
Oh, did you know that barrage can be negated by pistol off hand skill 5? Since the blind is applied every second, once you are channeling, you get miss after miss after miss.
do you know that dealing damage you exit from stealth? ^^ the main aim of barrage is to force our enemy to exit from stealth. Also blind can negate about 3sec of barrage (about the cast time) and the after cast is even longer and it’s enough to deal a good damage to a “visible” zerker thief
You swap to GS, putting swap on CD so after you swap you what? Well according to what you originally put, the ranger was suppose to successfully pull of the channel. So the Thief was suppose to what? Stand there and wait?
this is what i call “theorycrafting”. Tactic must be decided on the moment… how can you predict this?I only said what to do in case of X not what will surely happen. If a thief get closer and stun then go stealth… he’s only wasting a stun… the back with back stab? (supposing your “pistol/dagger” zerker thief can do this…) no problem, we can handle this damage… point blank and stealth, now who’s the thief? gs: hilt bash, maul and swoop if escapes…
now stop teorycrafting and try to do what are ou saying for real… i did exactly what i said in the OP ^^
Barrage -> swap to GS -> Swoop away -> swap to LB -> Rapid Shot
Because if the ranger was in combat in any way..
Barrage -> swap to GW -> Swoop away -> Do something else while you wait for the CD -> Swap to LB -> Rapid Shot.
“do something else” it’s also called “run away and take time” ^^
i think you are a bit confused… it’s more easy than you may think; barrage then wait for enemy attack but after cast barrage immeditately swap to gs… 2-3-4 sec? doesn’t matter counterattack/maul/hilt bash and swoop away obviously i didn’t put in every-single-action… because i had to write pages and pages and i think that those action will be immediate after a fast read of the 8. … it’s really important to know what to do but use your fantasy first of all make all suit the situation…
But you go ahead and keep dreaming that a power build (aka physical damage build), which depends on you having a target (especially if you involve range weapons) will be strong against a class whose primary mechanic causes you to lose them as a target.
Oh and your best move is to save Barrage to use in on their shadow refuge since the odds are they will use it when their hp is half or lower and their heal is still on CD.
since i’m talking about zerker thief there is no reason to save if for shadow refuge because no one use it, you need to watch some serious thief build not theorycraft them on what they do to you simply because half of them uses a perma stealth (or mid-perma stealth build) so i suggest you to read better next time.
Oh and the most important and incredible thing, you may not believe me, but i already use this build in hearth of the mists and WvW and… surprise! i die about 0 times in hearth of the mists (max 1 time)… are you surprised? no, i suppose… look better at what a ranger can give to you… then come back when you are ready ^^
and… i want to underline for the… 7th? 45th? 1038219th time:
this is a thread for rangers, power rangers build, if you like the idea you are welcome if you don’t goodbye…
it’s hard to understand? you are only tainting my guide with yours useless (and not about rangers) posts… cmon turn in your thief forum, warrior or what you are… this build surely don’t need your help (Deamhan.9538).
ps: oh i forget… i suggest to pick your thief (if you have) then go stealth when a ranger is using rapid fire on you then tell me how it ended (in private, could be some dirt
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Sorry for the long winded post. I just wanted people to know that the future for all ranger builds is fairly bleak, not just the power ones.
first of all this will be my only and last answer about condition builds, then stop please
… ok man you evidently don’t know what anet is going to introduce… this is the most full of absurdities post…
1)our condition build is better than almost every other classe simply because we get condition damage, defense, heals (tons of heals considering all regens we can get), pets and a fatal elite (for some classes)
2)we get confusion as other classes do! cmon are you so blind? we get confusion from pet (up to 10 stacks in a row) and look at the daze build thread to learn how we get more confusion stacks… and never forget asura’s power! (asura ftw!) also we get 10-15bleed stacks simply spammin our auto attack with short bow… do you think this isn’t enough? other classes can put on you 20-25 bleed stacks but every 10-20-30 secs we can do it permanently (remover’s are quite useless against a continuous bleeding stacker)
3)again, il repeat again… if we get ascended gear our condi/direct damage will remain the same! it’s a %.
Am I blind? Do I not know what anet is going to introduce? Is my post really full of absurdities?
Who knows? I do know you really, really need a lesson in manners.
Second, every single thing you listed is situational. Not every Ranger is a asura. Confusion applied by a pet is garbage because it doesn’t scale with your condi damage. Confusion applied by a soon to be nerfed rune set is also a straw man argument. Implying we can maintain 25 stack of bleed is rather ridiculous because it requires you maintain a flank with a shortbow. Sure you can do that in pve easy enough but I’m talking strictly wvw/pvp terms. Third our survivability is good, but then so is every other rabid stat using condi class. That is really nothing special.
Finally, I’m very aware what ascended weapons will do to our power build. It will be a certain percentage higher dmg coefficient. However, our pets damage does not scale with our weapon damage and our weapon damage is purposely held back because we have a pet. The math others have stated here is correct.
So what was this post about again?
@Lorelei
actually we, as power build ranger, don’t need to calculate pet damage in our “direct damage” total simply because it is ridicolous even a condition build can’t add pet’s damage because it’s good compared to direct damage… but it’s a condition build so damage comes from conditions…
so the calculation are wrong, the only way you can assume your math right is to play a “beast master build”… and i’m not talking about condition one but a full build focused on pet damage… then you can say “we get lower damage” in any other case this isn’t true.
then,
confusione from pet does not scale with our condition damage… but 10 stacks are something you can’t forget so easily
and the rune is just fine if use with the right build and from the right player… no need to be an asura we get more ways to do so anyway…
there is something of unclair in the concept of “flank”; it activates only if we are in the front cone (90°) of our enemy… and trust me it’s really easy to bleed them…
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upped since there are still a lot of people looking for power builds
Jubskie add this to the sticky pls
Ranger of [MGK] – Aurora glade.
Do you like to play without use foods? Without to look at their “time left”? to depend from their bonus? or to be force in a particular build because of food? (ex: build against condition damage/duration).
Well my last build is what you are looking for, then.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJATRjEVF2JW+Vs2Bg1j96bwWhMZPOkxFPZDPpB-jUzAYrARigICAJPhssXUTfgVyioxqWwUlo6TE1bgVxQeDl1ogwI-w
pros: enourmous damage (2364 power without food!), good survivability (18k hp and 1600 tough) good crit chance (50% + 20% fury) and good condition removal (1 every 10sec + mass remove + healing spring!) and above all a free remaining food slot! you can choose whatever you want to put in! more damage? go for +100 power more defence? go for +100 vit/thoug or -40%cond duration.
look on the bottom of main thread for more info
I’d say: i’m really happy of my last build because it’s simply… … good for everything and more! try it
ps: there was an error in the link; corrected.
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-update 5/9-
new build
the following build is a review of my last build for those who don’t like to play without perma 25% movement speed. I laso want to remember that with the previous build we lost 25% movement speed (if using SoR) but we got 20 + 4sec from RaO and 5+1sec swapping weapon… so it wasn’t an huge lost but for those who like to always move faster the following build is the best one
comparing to the previous one;
pros: +6 vitality +15%boon duration +10%cond duration +5% crit damage +25% movement speed
cons: -119 power -6 precision -2 toughness -20% swiftness duration -5% chance to get fury, might and swiftness
enjoy
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i just insta-killed ton of them in hotm do whatever you want! play whatever you want! but shut up! kitten ation
and i killed every lb ranger
it´s nice done how you wrote it, but their a situations thats not true for this build counterbuilds..e.g.
Orga for [WUMS]
i just insta-killed ton of them in hotm do whatever you want! play whatever you want! but shut up! kitten ation
and i killed every lb ranger
it´s nice done how you wrote it, but their a situations thats not true for this build counterbuilds..e.g.
while a full zerker ranger is simply a full zerker ranger a LB ranger can’t be detected for his entire equip. Maybe you killed a full zerker long bow ranger but i can ensure you no one killed me during the past 3weeks (not i HotM)
and ps: this isn’t a “counterbuild” this is simply a build with tons of utilities and tons of utilities mean that if you are smart enough to use them you can face everything
i ask all solo-roamer on kodash and no one get one in mind and i got in mind that our server faced about 2-3 weeks ago
trust me , your build is not so strong as you tell, it´s nice true, but how you play against the new confusion thief/mesmer/warrios ?
it´s just sucide
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Looks like a nice build you got there. I`d really like to test my BM power build against you one day to see how well it fares.
Can i use this build in PvE and WvW?
of course! you can use it everywhere just change “penetrating arrows” (pve) for “eagle eye” (wvw/pvp)
Looks like a nice build you got there. I`d really like to test my BM power build against you one day to see how well it fares.
Bm builds are really strong if well used but the only real problem i finded was against a “condition bm buils” which as every condition build is the king of 1v1
i ask all solo-roamer on kodash and no one get one in mind and i got in mind that our server faced about 2-3 weeks ago
trust me , your build is not so strong as you tell, it´s nice true, but how you play against the new confusion thief/mesmer/warrios ?
it´s just sucide
ahahahahahah /ignore
All I do is pvp so I tried the original pvp build but ended up switching I for IV and X for IX in Marksmanship. I felt like you really need a stunbreak or you’ll get locked and bursted down if you happen to get caught up in the mix so I switched Signet of Stone for Signet of Renewal. Several second imunity to physical dmg for a stunbreak and full/passive condi remover? I’ll take that. The result was a very, very fun build that is actually viable. As with pretty much all builds, timing is everything. Knowing your opponent is, as the OP said, very important. Also, knowing whether to use GS3 as a gap-closer or as a tool to get away is vital.
thank you for feedback. My actual build is:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJATRjEVF2JW+Vs2Bg1j96bwWhMZPOkxFPZDPpB-jUzAYrARigICAJPhssXUTfgVyioxqWwUlo6TE1bgVxQeDl1ogwI-w
i sobstituted it in the main thread only yesterday. Also traits choice is really subjective.
See you in game
- update: 19/10-*
After latest patch there are 2 important changes we can make:
1) +7% maul damage with a 6sec cd means a +29.16% damage increase in our main source of burst with MoC activation. This means that
actual Maul damage > MoC proc on interrupt (25sec cd and the necessity to interrupt a foe)
So, this build doesn’t need anymore this trait since the bust is enough to literally smash down every kind of enemy (in pvp) with a easy to get 5-8k per maul.
2) Companion’s defense fix:
this means we can come back to the trait and get a good advantage from our “natural vigor” and get a strong support with “primal reflexes” to improve our protection duration.
Anyway the most important think to remember now is: don’t roll twice unless it is necessary because this will reduce our effective protection duration! So the most easy and right way to use “companion’s defense” is to dodge roll and wait for protection to expire. In this way we get a great protection duration. With some numbers:
endurance regeneration = 5% per second = 10sec for a roll = 20sec for full bar
endurance (passive) regeneration (for this build) = 7.5% per second = 6.6sec for a dodge roll = 13.2sec for full bar
endurance (active) regeneration (with vigor) = 10% per second = 5sec for a dodge roll = 10 sec for full bar
with few and approximative calculations:
100% adrenaline -> dodge roll (1sec elasped = 7.5%) -> 2 sec protection (15%) -> 22.5% endurance back … but counting lag, skill activation and waiting we can consider this like a 25% endurance per dodge roll + full protection effect (witout vigor).
Full defensive burst = 100+(-50+25)(-5025)(-5025)= 25 (remaining endurance)
for a total of 9sec duration (3 dodging and 6 with protection)
in general we get “defense boost” for 3 sec (1 dodge + 2 prot) every 6sec/5sec (with vigor)
new build link: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJATRjEVF2JW+Vs2Bi1DCt/B1PkJOD+zoT2wTaA-jUzAYrARigICAJPFxsHQ6LrVyioxqXwUlo6TE1bgVxQeDlVpAEUZE-w
as you can notice from traits, this build losts the 10% damage bonus when endurance is full and got a -20% signet cd wich is quite good if considering the low but quite good damage per second increasing on SotW and the important stun break/cond remover.
That’s all for now see you in game
ps: sorry for grammar but i writed this at 00:37 -_-
Great build, even tho i do sPvP mostly i can see the potentials..One thing i would change, i will drop the hunters tactics and go for the Martial Mastery
Thank you for feedback.
So do you suggest to change hunters tactics? well, ill look for the possible %dps increase and tell you if it’s a good choice as soon as possible thank you.