Guild Wars 2

And I quote:

“Quit giving bad information bro.
We can get out of entangle with abilities like Infiltrators Strike, Infiltrators Arrow, Shadow Step to name a few.
AoEs are only going to put them on cooldown, and your number “5” abilities which gives you your AoEs are easy to dodge out of, with minimal damage.
There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief, and if you think you can, I’ll bet you 1 gold per duel, and beat you multiple times until you run out of gold. I’ll even wager 2 gold, and let you bring a second Ranger, after I’ve beat you at least 20 times.
I’ve never seen worse information given on any forum, for any game ever.”

What do you guys make of this? Apparently, this was in response to me saying I rarely lose to cloak and dagger thieves in dubs.

Is this just hubris? Any rangers want to battle this person? He or she claims to reside in SoS.

Here’s the basic claim: “There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief”. That’s a challenge to all of us.

I’d love to duel him.

Run sword-touch and shortbow, chil and bleed trap, entangle, with chill on pet.
run a tough,heal,condi build and build em conds up like a mad man while being mobile, weaken from black bear also pretty viable vs thiefs.(prefer hawk/eagle in generel)

Just a example how to easily beat any thief trying that,

blah blah blah. So much cheap talk. Step up to the plate and duel him…..applies to any of you who say you have no problems with Thiefs. Either the Ranger or the Thief will have to keep quiet after they lose.

Chopps.5047:

And I quote:

“Quit giving bad information bro.
We can get out of entangle with abilities like Infiltrators Strike, Infiltrators Arrow, Shadow Step to name a few.
AoEs are only going to put them on cooldown, and your number “5” abilities which gives you your AoEs are easy to dodge out of, with minimal damage.
There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief, and if you think you can, I’ll bet you 1 gold per duel, and beat you multiple times until you run out of gold. I’ll even wager 2 gold, and let you bring a second Ranger, after I’ve beat you at least 20 times.
I’ve never seen worse information given on any forum, for any game ever.”

What do you guys make of this? Apparently, this was in response to me saying I rarely lose to cloak and dagger thieves in dubs.

Is this just hubris? Any rangers want to battle this person? He or she claims to reside in SoS.

Here’s the basic claim: “There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief”. That’s a challenge to all of us.

He has called you out. Why don’t you duel him ?

TryGoogleThis.9570:

Run sword-touch and shortbow, chil and bleed trap, entangle, with chill on pet.
run a tough,heal,condi build and build em conds up like a mad man while being mobile, weaken from black bear also pretty viable vs thiefs.(prefer hawk/eagle in generel)

Just a example how to easily beat any thief trying that,

Thief has all the tools to counter w/e build the ranger has.
The ranger has only some tools to counter certain thief builds.

Unless it is an underwater fight. The ranger is fighting an uphill battle.

entangle is a bad elite against anybody that knows how it works. ( many movement abilities will break it immediately )

trap ranger is a very easy, very strong spec due to empathic bond ( many believe will be fixed on jan 28th ) & trap cd functionality ( cd triggering on laying trap ).

but all defenses are passive, very easy for a thief to bait shared anguish/hips with a .25s daze before stacking stealth with d/p & using their real opener on you with defenses down. it is very hard to time your sword evades to dodge the opener when they have 12+ seconds of stealth to choose their opening, & sword evades won’t save you if you can’t heal up past heartseeker range ( +50% health ). unguent is also the easiest ranger heal to interrupt ( 1s cast ), also our most popular heal for non-healing power specs.

there are builds that reliably kill thieves, but are they tourney viable? ( open ended question—the short answer is yes with proper team comp—can’t just throw a random build into a team comp that used to have trap ranger & expect it to fly )

duels “mostly” matter between tourney viable specs, because anybody can counter a build by custom picking utilities & elites, & tourney specs are the ones that will be duelling each other in 5v5.

underwater, thief wins until ranger is downed, then the thief is in trouble ( rofl ).

If you duel him, take a stun breaker. He is most likely going to take that signet that turns you into stone.

a thief will beat any other class 1v1 and often 1v2 it’s anet way of griefing you by making you pay armor repairs all day to a class that has the only i win button in the game.
as a matter of fact they have several i win buttons and other classes have none.
maybe anet will figure out some day that it’s only fun if your a thief.

Sadly beating thieves 1v1 doesn’t shut them up. They just blame it on something stupid and keep saying they same things to other rangers.

Dueling is for honorable folk. Thieve are not honorable. They are cut throat assasins. While that is good and bad. Its laughable to think a thief is calling someone out to duel.

Its not even the stealthing I have an issue with its you running for the hill when you start to getting your butt kicked. while kiting is a valid tactic in a fight thieve run well out of thier own weapon range while stealth. Its a kin to watching a UFC and one fighter runs and hides in the audience. Doesn’t really matter at that point if the thief wins. This is why thieves are viewed as cheap. Only one thing comes to mind when I see this happen. “Aha you ran from skitt.”

What he said isn’t false. Lots of people on this forum say stuff such as “i destroy stealth thieves bla bla bla” but this is all lies or they’re killing a theif that is already being attacked by many other players. You need to be new to the game/new to a thief to lose against a ranger on one. Thief has counters to everything a ranger can do, ranger can’t even do anything to immobilize lol. There’s not point of even dualing a thief on a ranger, reroll to a mes or d/d ele and then see sup.

Thieves aren’t all that. A “Good” thief will be a problem yes. But most thieves chose it because they think it’s OP and they want the easy way out. And those kind of players usually have no idea what their doing and you can take them out almost instantly and stun lock them with pets.

Professions don’t have as much effect as much as people think… The biggest factor is the skill. A good Ranger against a good thief has a perfectly good chance of winning. Personally I’m not a good Ranger but I’ve seen some good Rangers taking out many thieves 1v1

Nuka Cola.8520:

What he said isn’t false. Lots of people on this forum say stuff such as “i destroy stealth thieves bla bla bla” but this is all lies or they’re killing a theif that is already being attacked by many other players. You need to be new to the game/new to a thief to lose against a ranger on one. Thief has counters to everything a ranger can do, ranger can’t even do anything to immobilize lol. There’s not point of even dualing a thief on a ranger, reroll to a mes or d/d ele and then see sup.

Blah blah, the only thief that can kill me is the one that uses culling over and over.

I’m not claiming to be a great ranger or anything. I’m probably just about average in skill. I join basic pvp and wvwvw.

I run a bunker/support build. I don’t have a horrible time against thieves. It is tough though against a really good thief. This is true for all professions but (in my opinion)more so for a thief.

I will say that in pvp it is obvious that people automatically focus on the ranger because they see us as an easy kill. There is also a great satisfaction in killing these people. I know … people will say so what you’re killing average players that don’t know what they’re doing. So what , I’m an average player too.

I do wish that Entangle was more of an elite skill though. Right now, it just feels like a normal skill because people can easily escape from it. This would be awesome against stealth skills.

DancinPuppeh.8421:

Thieves aren’t all that. A “Good” thief will be a problem yes. But most thieves chose it because they think it’s OP and they want the easy way out. And those kind of players usually have no idea what their doing and you can take them out almost instantly and stun lock them with pets.

Professions don’t have as much effect as much as people think… The biggest factor is the skill. A good Ranger against a good thief has a perfectly good chance of winning. Personally I’m not a good Ranger but I’ve seen some good Rangers taking out many thieves 1v1

This is the truth of the matter. There a tons or terrible Thief players out there that are attracted by all the talk of how OP the class is. Fact is Thief may be OP in the hands of a decent player but most people can’t get that level of performance out of them. In fact the ratio of good to bad thief players is so scewed that I actively persue them in WvW due to them being an easy kill for the most part.

I’m a very good Ranger, in a strong defensive build that rocks most Thieves, and even I die to good Thieves when I come across them.

There is nothing wrong in admitting good players, on strong classes will rock your world.

Fighting Thieves in sPvP is a far cry different than fighting them in WvW. A WvW Thief is going to annihilate a sPvP Thief because sPvP is a watered down nerfed version of the WvW Thief.

When talking about this game people need to distinquish whether or not they’re talking about sPvP, or WvW when they make claims.

Rhaps.8540:

DancinPuppeh.8421:

Thieves aren’t all that. A “Good” thief will be a problem yes. But most thieves chose it because they think it’s OP and they want the easy way out. And those kind of players usually have no idea what their doing and you can take them out almost instantly and stun lock them with pets.

Professions don’t have as much effect as much as people think… The biggest factor is the skill. A good Ranger against a good thief has a perfectly good chance of winning. Personally I’m not a good Ranger but I’ve seen some good Rangers taking out many thieves 1v1

This is the truth of the matter. There a tons or terrible Thief players out there that are attracted by all the talk of how OP the class is. Fact is Thief may be OP in the hands of a decent player but most people can’t get that level of performance out of them. In fact the ratio of good to bad thief players is so scewed that I actively persue them in WvW due to them being an easy kill for the most part.

truth be told there are also a great number of terri-bad rangers as well boosting the confidence of above mentioned thief and many other professions for that matter. I find these the most entertaining to hunt down because they are by in large free kills, and make me feel all that much better about myself as a ranger.

thieves are pretty fun to hunt (or more or less bait I suppose since they always get opening strike). They seem stunned when they blow their burst chain to find me still sitting pretty at half health. many can’t even find the escape buttons they are famous for because they are so shocked at witnessing a solid ranger (probably terri-bad thieves I will admit).

Any time I force a thief to flee I count as a victory in my book, I’ve got better things to do than try and find their cowardly scrawny kitten

I admit I am purely WvWvW for PvP perspective, mixed gear works with my build better than anything I could pull off in mists.

DaisyRogers.6837:

Rhaps.8540:

DancinPuppeh.8421:

Thieves aren’t all that. A “Good” thief will be a problem yes. But most thieves chose it because they think it’s OP and they want the easy way out. And those kind of players usually have no idea what their doing and you can take them out almost instantly and stun lock them with pets.

Professions don’t have as much effect as much as people think… The biggest factor is the skill. A good Ranger against a good thief has a perfectly good chance of winning. Personally I’m not a good Ranger but I’ve seen some good Rangers taking out many thieves 1v1

This is the truth of the matter. There a tons or terrible Thief players out there that are attracted by all the talk of how OP the class is. Fact is Thief may be OP in the hands of a decent player but most people can’t get that level of performance out of them. In fact the ratio of good to bad thief players is so scewed that I actively persue them in WvW due to them being an easy kill for the most part.

truth be told there are also a great number of terri-bad rangers as well boosting the confidence of above mentioned thief and many other professions for that matter. I find these the most entertaining to hunt down because they are by in large free kills, and make me feel all that much better about myself as a ranger.

thieves are pretty fun to hunt (or more or less bait I suppose since they always get opening strike). They seem stunned when they blow their burst chain to find me still sitting pretty at half health. many can’t even find the escape buttons they are famous for because they are so shocked at witnessing a solid ranger (probably terri-bad thieves I will admit).

Any time I force a thief to flee I count as a victory in my book, I’ve got better things to do than try and find their cowardly scrawny kitten

I admit I am purely WvWvW for PvP perspective, mixed gear works with my build better than anything I could pull off in mists.

The same can be said about Rangers claims vs Thieves, even your own claim.

I have 4 80s all fully geared, and I have never lost to a Ranger on any of my toons, including my Ranger. The closest fight with any Ranger was on my Ranger when we both downed each other at virtually the same time, and my pet did more damage and killed him, allowing me to walk away.

It’s no surprise though the Rangers who’re doing the best right now, and have videos to showboat it’s power are Asuran Rangers sporting the Pain Inverter ability, which is on a short cooldown, and can do over 6000 damage thanks to both Confusion, and Retaliation it gives, or at its worse, cause your target not to attack you for 5 seconds, which is huge in, and of itself.

That to me goes to show just how close the Ranger is, to being a solid class. They just have to do the right changes.

jkctmc.8754:

I have 4 80s all fully geared, and I have never lost to a Ranger on any of my toons, including my Ranger. The closest fight with any Ranger was on my Ranger when we both downed each other at virtually the same time, and my pet did more damage and killed him, allowing me to walk away.

Same about the 80s, and of course I’ve lost to every class in the game at some point. It’s totally inevitable when playing pvp for any length of time. You’ve really never been killed by a Ranger? Never ever?

Either you haven’t pvped much or you are the bane of all Rangers everywhere; either way, bit of a statistical anomaly.

So much kitten in this thread.
Oh anyway a good thief can kill a good ranger (depends on the spec ofc, but if the ranger is specced right it won’t be easy at all for the thief).
A good ranger can beat a good thief and make him run away, but will hardly kill him.
This in wvw, spvp is a diff story.

Well ive tryed all diffrent specs and youre best chance to beat a thief is a beastmaster build 0/0/30/10/30

But if the thief is even remotley good youre dead lol

soz hes right

Forzani.2584:

Chopps.5047:

And I quote:

“Quit giving bad information bro.
We can get out of entangle with abilities like Infiltrators Strike, Infiltrators Arrow, Shadow Step to name a few.
AoEs are only going to put them on cooldown, and your number “5” abilities which gives you your AoEs are easy to dodge out of, with minimal damage.
There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief, and if you think you can, I’ll bet you 1 gold per duel, and beat you multiple times until you run out of gold. I’ll even wager 2 gold, and let you bring a second Ranger, after I’ve beat you at least 20 times.
I’ve never seen worse information given on any forum, for any game ever.”

What do you guys make of this? Apparently, this was in response to me saying I rarely lose to cloak and dagger thieves in dubs.

Is this just hubris? Any rangers want to battle this person? He or she claims to reside in SoS.

Here’s the basic claim: “There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief”. That’s a challenge to all of us.

He has called you out. Why don’t you duel him ?

That’s absurd.

Decrypter.1785:

Well ive tryed all diffrent specs and youre best chance to beat a thief is a beastmaster build 0/0/30/10/30

But if the thief is even remotley good youre dead lol

soz hes right

It was never a right or wrong question. His challenge came out of nowhere and I really don’t know what to think of it. It was never an argument. Maybe ANET made wvw such that some classes are better at 1v1 than others? Honestly, I don’t know.

There’s not many good ways to duel in wvw unless you roam, which I typically don’t because normally I’m in a party trying to gain points rather than bolster my own ego looking for a 1v1 scenario.

All I said (and I still stand by this) was that I usually have success when encountering a thief on the battlefield. Whether that’s because many casuals play thief, I don’t know.

I have ~3300 achievement points and have played a lot. I have success against many classes. It’s possible that my own success as a ranger is just attributed to me being a better player at anticipating situations for interrupts or evasion so I have success against most average players? Maybe encountering a thief of my own skill level would result in a loss.

The motivation of this thread was to discuss ways a ranger can defeat a thief. I can’t make much out of your post because it doesn’t really say anything informative. When you make passing mention of the cookie cutter Xsorsus “Pain Inverter” build and say something about thieves being the best, I mean, you might be right, but it’s hard to take you seriously because there’s no substance to the bravado.

Chopps.5047:

Forzani.2584:

Chopps.5047:

And I quote:

“Quit giving bad information bro.
We can get out of entangle with abilities like Infiltrators Strike, Infiltrators Arrow, Shadow Step to name a few.
AoEs are only going to put them on cooldown, and your number “5” abilities which gives you your AoEs are easy to dodge out of, with minimal damage.
There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief, and if you think you can, I’ll bet you 1 gold per duel, and beat you multiple times until you run out of gold. I’ll even wager 2 gold, and let you bring a second Ranger, after I’ve beat you at least 20 times.
I’ve never seen worse information given on any forum, for any game ever.”

What do you guys make of this? Apparently, this was in response to me saying I rarely lose to cloak and dagger thieves in dubs.

Is this just hubris? Any rangers want to battle this person? He or she claims to reside in SoS.

Here’s the basic claim: “There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief”. That’s a challenge to all of us.

He has called you out. Why don’t you duel him ?

That’s absurd.

Absurd how ? I get tired of seeing Rangers come on here looking for advice only to get bombarded from a special few that say it is easy for Rangers to kill Thiefs. Apparently a thief saw those claims and called BS…which = calling the keyboard warriors out.

Forzani.2584:

Chopps.5047:

Forzani.2584:

Chopps.5047:

And I quote:

“Quit giving bad information bro.
We can get out of entangle with abilities like Infiltrators Strike, Infiltrators Arrow, Shadow Step to name a few.
AoEs are only going to put them on cooldown, and your number “5” abilities which gives you your AoEs are easy to dodge out of, with minimal damage.
There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief, and if you think you can, I’ll bet you 1 gold per duel, and beat you multiple times until you run out of gold. I’ll even wager 2 gold, and let you bring a second Ranger, after I’ve beat you at least 20 times.
I’ve never seen worse information given on any forum, for any game ever.”

What do you guys make of this? Apparently, this was in response to me saying I rarely lose to cloak and dagger thieves in dubs.

Is this just hubris? Any rangers want to battle this person? He or she claims to reside in SoS.

Here’s the basic claim: “There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief”. That’s a challenge to all of us.

He has called you out. Why don’t you duel him ?

That’s absurd.

Absurd how ? I get tired of seeing Rangers come on here looking for advice only to get bombarded from a special few that say it is easy for Rangers to kill Thiefs. Apparently a thief saw those claims and called BS…which = calling the keyboard warriors out.

That’s absurd.

looks like a simple solution. accept the duel, start fraps and post results here.

Forzani.2584:

Chopps.5047:

Forzani.2584:

Chopps.5047:

And I quote:

“Quit giving bad information bro.
We can get out of entangle with abilities like Infiltrators Strike, Infiltrators Arrow, Shadow Step to name a few.
AoEs are only going to put them on cooldown, and your number “5” abilities which gives you your AoEs are easy to dodge out of, with minimal damage.
There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief, and if you think you can, I’ll bet you 1 gold per duel, and beat you multiple times until you run out of gold. I’ll even wager 2 gold, and let you bring a second Ranger, after I’ve beat you at least 20 times.
I’ve never seen worse information given on any forum, for any game ever.”

What do you guys make of this? Apparently, this was in response to me saying I rarely lose to cloak and dagger thieves in dubs.

Is this just hubris? Any rangers want to battle this person? He or she claims to reside in SoS.

Here’s the basic claim: “There is no possible way you could kill a good Thief”. That’s a challenge to all of us.

He has called you out. Why don’t you duel him ?

That’s absurd.

Absurd how ? I get tired of seeing Rangers come on here looking for advice only to get bombarded from a special few that say it is easy for Rangers to kill Thiefs. Apparently a thief saw those claims and called BS…which = calling the keyboard warriors out.

Because then they would have to put up or shut up and they just don’t have time for that when they could be posting more about how their pet “stun locks” them.

Rhaps.8540:

jkctmc.8754:

I have 4 80s all fully geared, and I have never lost to a Ranger on any of my toons, including my Ranger. The closest fight with any Ranger was on my Ranger when we both downed each other at virtually the same time, and my pet did more damage and killed him, allowing me to walk away.

Same about the 80s, and of course I’ve lost to every class in the game at some point. It’s totally inevitable when playing pvp for any length of time. You’ve really never been killed by a Ranger? Never ever?

Either you haven’t pvped much or you are the bane of all Rangers everywhere; either way, bit of a statistical anomaly.

I’m on Anvil Rock, a server that has a lot of Rangers, or so those we have faces has said we do, in comparison to other servers.

We LOVE our Rangers on Anvil Rock.

That said, yes, I have never lost to another Ranger, and the only time I was ever downed, and my pet killed the other Ranger before his killed me was against Devona’s Rest. My other toons have never even been downed by a Ranger.

I only level in WvW since camp/karma runs give the best xp’s plus karma rewards good enough that once you hit 80, you can buy a full set of Exotic gear out of Orr.

I have only lost three fights against a Necromancer too, and that ironically was on my Thief. I destroy Necromancers pretty easily on my Ranger, and other toon. The class I deem the worst, the Engineer hardly ever shows its face outside of Zergs, so it is hard to tell if anything but a bomb spec could kill me (when I’m not really paying attention).

Right now the best Rangers, in a defense/condition build are the ones sporting the Asuran Racial ability Pain Inverter. Unfortunately it isn’t a class ability, so it leaves the other Rangers a little lacking.

Accept to duel him, then tell us how much gold you lost because if he is that confident he is likely very good and a very good thief will just mince a ranger.

jkctmc.8754:

I’m on Anvil Rock, a server that has a lot of Rangers, or so those we have faces has said we do, in comparison to other servers.

We LOVE our Rangers on Anvil Rock.

That said, yes, I have never lost to another Ranger, and the only time I was ever downed, and my pet killed the other Ranger before his killed me was against Devona’s Rest. My other toons have never even been downed by a Ranger.

I only level in WvW since camp/karma runs give the best xp’s plus karma rewards good enough that once you hit 80, you can buy a full set of Exotic gear out of Orr.

I have only lost three fights against a Necromancer too, and that ironically was on my Thief. I destroy Necromancers pretty easily on my Ranger, and other toon. The class I deem the worst, the Engineer hardly ever shows its face outside of Zergs, so it is hard to tell if anything but a bomb spec could kill me (when I’m not really paying attention).

Right now the best Rangers, in a defense/condition build are the ones sporting the Asuran Racial ability Pain Inverter. Unfortunately it isn’t a class ability, so it leaves the other Rangers a little lacking.

reading that just makes me wana roll an asuran ranger…
thats really unfair!
didnt know theres difference between the races for same profession

Thieves are used to dealing with DPS or trap rangers, who are easy prey. Then they meet a properly built beastmaster tank once in a while, and their illusions of grandeur crumble, while I stomp them effortlessly.

Tell the thief to come heart of the mists at desolation EU. I will duel him

Brett.4305:

Welcome to Thief Wars 2

i thought someone called it Guild Warriors 2 lol

In a duel you should be able to beat a thief fairly easily, as you can pick your skills accordingly. Thief is all about burst, absorb it and you should win. Depends on your build, but I’d slot unguent, protect me, traited sos, qz, entangle. Wolf and drakehound. He did call you out OP, you pretty much have to fight him now.

I just thought I’d way in as a player with a Ranger main and a (non-traditional) Thief that I usually take to WvW.

Any player can beat any player on any given Sunday. Things happen.

The largest strength of the Thief class is their ability to pick their fights:

“See that guy? I think I’ll kill him. Oh wait, he hurts and is super beefy! Pull out!”

Thieves disengage so easily. It’s what they do. If a fight doesn’t go their way, they leave. And do you know what they do then? They come back and try again while your stunbreakers and elites are on cooldown, and then you die.

Daemon.4295:

In a duel you should be able to beat a thief fairly easily, as you can pick your skills accordingly. Thief is all about burst, absorb it and you should win. Depends on your build, but I’d slot unguent, protect me, traited sos, qz, entangle. Wolf and drakehound. He did call you out OP, you pretty much have to fight him now.

You should get out more…not all thieves are about burst.

Different Thief Builds

-D/D burst (this is your typical burst thief build. This guy live on the fast lane. Kill fast and die fast.)
-D/D balance BS build (3K+Attack, 2500+ toughness, stealth in and out, regen, conditional removal in stealth, etc. This is what I run. An overall good build to counter most players.)
-D/D unicorn condition build (tons of evade. Good luck hitting this guy. 15+stack of bleed in short duration. Good stun breaker, regen, condition removal, toughness, healing power, etc).
-D/P infinite stealth build (ultimate troll build. If both players commit to the fight, this thief will come out with 100% health left. Good toughness, regen, condition removal, etc)
-P/P burst (this is kind of like the D/D burst build. Kill fast die fast.)
-P/D condition build (another troll build. Similar to D/D but focus on stealthing in and out and bleeding you to dealth. pretty hard to beat this build due to high toughness, regen, condition remove, 20K health, etc.)
-S/P burst (this build is built around daze and pistol whipping you to dealth)
-S/D balance (daze lock build. Most people cannot counter this due to limited stun breaker. This build allows you to have a stun breaker on the weapon set with it’s teleport)

I might be missing a few more builds but you get the point. The only builds listed above that a ranger have a chance of killing is burst D/D, P/P and S/P burst (this is assuming both player are equally skilled). The other builds will either eat the ranger alive or will be a tough fight for the ranger. Like I posted early in this thread, the ranger is fighting an uphill battle. This is at least just my opinion.

Vecuu.2018:

I just thought I’d way in as a player with a Ranger main and a (non-traditional) Thief that I usually take to WvW.

Any player can beat any player on any given Sunday. Things happen.

The largest strength of the Thief class is their ability to pick their fights:

“See that guy? I think I’ll kill him. Oh wait, he hurts and is super beefy! Pull out!”

Thieves disengage so easily. It’s what they do. If a fight doesn’t go their way, they leave. And do you know what they do then? They come back and try again while your stunbreakers and elites are on cooldown, and then you die.

This, this sooo very much.

I’m so tired of seeing people talk about how they kill thieves left and right when any thief that isn’t stroking out will disengage with stealth, heal and then destroy you while all your skills are on cool down or just simply run away. No good thief will stand and fight to the last health point when they can so easily avoid death.

Substance E.4852:

Vecuu.2018:

I just thought I’d way in as a player with a Ranger main and a (non-traditional) Thief that I usually take to WvW.

Any player can beat any player on any given Sunday. Things happen.

The largest strength of the Thief class is their ability to pick their fights:

“See that guy? I think I’ll kill him. Oh wait, he hurts and is super beefy! Pull out!”

Thieves disengage so easily. It’s what they do. If a fight doesn’t go their way, they leave. And do you know what they do then? They come back and try again while your stunbreakers and elites are on cooldown, and then you die.

This, this sooo very much.

I’m so tired of seeing people talk about how they kill thieves left and right when any thief that isn’t stroking out will disengage with stealth, heal and then destroy you while all your skills are on cool down or just simply run away. No good thief will stand and fight to the last health point when they can so easily avoid death.

why I count thief victories as forcing them to flee. I’ve only had one come back who wasn’t bringing along a full party of back up.

Not blaming them, it is their mechanic after all. But I’ll take holding the battle field at the end of the day as victory any day over a class who rarely has to stick it out to the last hp.

skupuz.6940:

Daemon.4295:

In a duel you should be able to beat a thief fairly easily, as you can pick your skills accordingly. Thief is all about burst, absorb it and you should win. Depends on your build, but I’d slot unguent, protect me, traited sos, qz, entangle. Wolf and drakehound. He did call you out OP, you pretty much have to fight him now.

You should get out more…not all thieves are about burst.

Different Thief Builds

-D/D burst (this is your typical burst thief build. This guy live on the fast lane. Kill fast and die fast.)
-D/D balance BS build (3K+Attack, 2500+ toughness, stealth in and out, regen, conditional removal in stealth, etc. This is what I run. An overall good build to counter most players.)
-D/D unicorn condition build (tons of evade. Good luck hitting this guy. 15+stack of bleed in short duration. Good stun breaker, regen, condition removal, toughness, healing power, etc).
-D/P infinite stealth build (ultimate troll build. If both players commit to the fight, this thief will come out with 100% health left. Good toughness, regen, condition removal, etc)
-P/P burst (this is kind of like the D/D burst build. Kill fast die fast.)
-P/D condition build (another troll build. Similar to D/D but focus on stealthing in and out and bleeding you to dealth. pretty hard to beat this build due to high toughness, regen, condition remove, 20K health, etc.)
-S/P burst (this build is built around daze and pistol whipping you to dealth)
-S/D balance (daze lock build. Most people cannot counter this due to limited stun breaker. This build allows you to have a stun breaker on the weapon set with it’s teleport)

I might be missing a few more builds but you get the point. The only builds listed above that a ranger have a chance of killing is burst D/D, P/P and S/P burst (this is assuming both player are equally skilled). The other builds will either eat the ranger alive or will be a tough fight for the ranger. Like I posted early in this thread, the ranger is fighting an uphill battle. This is at least just my opinion.

This is pretty spot on.

Silferas.3841:

Thieves are used to dealing with DPS or trap rangers, who are easy prey. Then they meet a properly built beastmaster tank once in a while, and their illusions of grandeur crumble, while I stomp them effortlessly.

Tell the thief to come heart of the mists at desolation EU. I will duel him

You do understand sPvP does not equal WvW, right? Thieves are at their strongest in WvW, so I doubt any Thief would duel anyone in sPvP, where the ruleset is dumbed down, with a multitude of nerfs.

jkctmc.8754:

Silferas.3841:

Thieves are used to dealing with DPS or trap rangers, who are easy prey. Then they meet a properly built beastmaster tank once in a while, and their illusions of grandeur crumble, while I stomp them effortlessly.

Tell the thief to come heart of the mists at desolation EU. I will duel him

You do understand sPvP does not equal WvW, right? Thieves are at their strongest in WvW, so I doubt any Thief would duel anyone in sPvP, where the ruleset is dumbed down, with a multitude of nerfs.

Aside from stats changing around, you also don’t get food in SPvP, which most thieves absolutely love for WvW.

Brah it’s spvp go battle him lol.
Trap/bunker and you’ll most likely win or continually force disengages.

Daemon.4295:

In a duel you should be able to beat a thief fairly easily, as you can pick your skills accordingly. Thief is all about burst, absorb it and you should win. Depends on your build, but I’d slot unguent, protect me, traited sos, qz, entangle. Wolf and drakehound. He did call you out OP, you pretty much have to fight him now.

What is this high school? Call me out? That’s the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life.

Chopps.5047:

Daemon.4295:

In a duel you should be able to beat a thief fairly easily, as you can pick your skills accordingly. Thief is all about burst, absorb it and you should win. Depends on your build, but I’d slot unguent, protect me, traited sos, qz, entangle. Wolf and drakehound. He did call you out OP, you pretty much have to fight him now.

What is this high school? Call me out? That’s the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life.

So are you not going to duel him then? didn’t he say he would wager 2G per fight?
judging from your post history i would think this would be easy cash for you.

here are a few quotes from your posts

“Email or whisper me in game. Let’s duel in dubs and see who wins. My ranger vs whatever you want. Let’s see who the better player is because if ranger is as bad as you say, if you lose, it will be incredibly embarassing for you and your ego.”

“I stopped reading after laughing out loud at that sentence. I don’t think I’ve ever lost to a thief 1v1 on ANY build I’ve used…maybe once or twice to very skilled players.”

“Thief died even after jumping me while my cooldowns were popped. I rallied and saluted my fallen foe for almost beating me. Thieves almost never beat me so I was pretty impressed.”

so with this kind of track record and skill against thieves why not duel him and take his gold? i see you have nothing against duels as in the first quote you called a guy out yourself for a duel.

Reply and say “I don’t care what you have to say Mr Toolbox. Please get back to class and let the adults play”

Should about cover it

I think the problem is it seems lots of rangers like to run face first into zergs in WvW, I mean that to me isnt how it should be done, Im not even a lvl 80 Ranger and I have managed to kill almost a thousand people in between levelling.

I try to stick to the outskirts and target people eventually killing them, because if im caught in the zerg I will die pretty quick unless I play smart.

jkctmc.8754:

Silferas.3841:

Thieves are used to dealing with DPS or trap rangers, who are easy prey. Then they meet a properly built beastmaster tank once in a while, and their illusions of grandeur crumble, while I stomp them effortlessly.

Tell the thief to come heart of the mists at desolation EU. I will duel him

You do understand sPvP does not equal WvW, right? Thieves are at their strongest in WvW, so I doubt any Thief would duel anyone in sPvP, where the ruleset is dumbed down, with a multitude of nerfs.

Thieves might be stronger in WvW than in sPvP, but so am I. All the benefits they get from food and pve gear I get as well.

On the other hand a claim that WvW is more complicated than tournament pvp is naive to say it nicely. It is the ruleset imposed upon tournaments that makes it so much more demanding and competitive. Everything you get is restricted: gear/time/players, and you simply have to do with what you get, you need SKILL. Any player who can consistently win tournaments will absolutely dominate any fight in WvW, while players from WvW don’t amount to much in tournaments at all (speaking from experience). And if you are thinking about bringing up strategy and teamwork, don’t even bother.

Silferas.3841:

jkctmc.8754:

Silferas.3841:

Thieves are used to dealing with DPS or trap rangers, who are easy prey. Then they meet a properly built beastmaster tank once in a while, and their illusions of grandeur crumble, while I stomp them effortlessly.

Tell the thief to come heart of the mists at desolation EU. I will duel him

You do understand sPvP does not equal WvW, right? Thieves are at their strongest in WvW, so I doubt any Thief would duel anyone in sPvP, where the ruleset is dumbed down, with a multitude of nerfs.

Thieves might be stronger in WvW than in sPvP, but so am I. All the benefits they get from food and pve gear I get as well.

On the other hand a claim that WvW is more complicated than tournament pvp is naive to say it nicely. It is the ruleset imposed upon tournaments that makes it so much more demanding and competitive. Everything you get is restricted: gear/time/players, and you simply have to do with what you get, you need SKILL. Any player who can consistently win tournaments will absolutely dominate any fight in WvW, while players from WvW don’t amount to much in tournaments at all (speaking from experience). And if you are thinking about bringing up strategy and teamwork, don’t even bother.

Not true brother. The damage is far less in sPvP to the point that if you can handle the full damage in WvW, fighting under the increased damage of siege, you’re going to find the lessened damage of sPvP quite weak. On top of that sPvP is more about controlling small areas, for points, rather than fighting it out to match skills against another group in a head to head battle.

At least in real competitive games like League of Legends, you have much, much better fights.

Here’s what happens: 1. you don’tspot him, and he can instawin with steal/mug/one skill/cnd 20k + hp gone and it’s pretty much over or

2. you spot him, his first skill misses, u hit him with LB 3, hit qz and charr racial crit skill, entangle and lb2, which will track him even whilst stealthed as well as do great damage due to charr racial, when he drops his tent drop barrage on it and when it ends, downed thief.

3. He is a proper pistol condi thief and anything you do won’t matter, as if he is half as good as you, your dead.

Troll unguent might be ok underwater but not a good idea to use it in open wvw where you will find one big heal will save you much more often than a heal over time, especially with so much burst damage around.