Guild Wars 2

Where do you folks get those awesome pics Oo

The same place we get all of our pictures…..GOOGLE!!!!!

…seriously, type in something random like Raptor Cavalry and see what you get (which should totally also be a Ranger elite Skill!).

Substance E.4852:

Remember when we where going to get big things back in Nov 2012 and then we got underwater buffs and a year of dev blackout?

Not saying it’s impossible but they always seem to give us a nerf/buff/nerf sandwich and label it as an improvement.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

This^

And, let me remind everyone that Jon Peters (lead Anet dev) said a few months back, right here in this forum, that ranger pets are broken and cannot/will not be fixed.

I will repeat: PETS ARE BROKEN

Why anyone wants more of something broken and not working properly is beyond me.

The big changes I want to see is ranger pets deleted from the game and the associated damage output shifted to the ranger. This might make or weapons and utilities actually useful. Anything else is simply a waste of time.

bri.2359:

Substance E.4852:

Remember when we where going to get big things back in Nov 2012 and then we got underwater buffs and a year of dev blackout?

Not saying it’s impossible but they always seem to give us a nerf/buff/nerf sandwich and label it as an improvement.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

This^

And, let me remind everyone that Jon Peters (lead Anet dev) said a few months back, right here in this forum, that ranger pets are broken and cannot/will not be fixed.

I will repeat: PETS ARE BROKEN

Why anyone wants more of something broken and not working properly is beyond me.

The big changes I want to see is ranger pets deleted from the game and the associated damage output shifted to the ranger. This might make or weapons and utilities actually useful. Anything else is simply a waste of time.

Wow, You sound like you either didn’t read his post where he spoke about pets, or you blew it way too far out of proportion.

Here is the quote:
“Summoned creature AI is a different can of worms that we aren’t opening for the same reason. Pets that delay F2 use isn’t some wait script we put into their skills it has to do with core AI behavior shared by all pets and creatures and how they decide tasks. Rewriting that has the risks of breaking millions of unknown things so we have up until now band aided the solution. It is something that needs addressing but won’t be addressed until we can kitten how and when we will test it. "

So when taking this idea into account and then hearing the reason why the sword chain attack behaves the way it does, it doesn’t boost much confident in the balance team as it would seem that the Ranger profession hasn’t been fully integrated into the game yet.

Yeah… I don’t have any hope. The fact that they said they’re going to nerf zerker confirms they are nerfing it to make the other builds look better. Same reason they nerfed the shortbow to make the longbow look better. That is the lazy way to do it. The band aid approach that they have used on other things. Infact, the Devs from the livestream have squashed my hope that they would give us an option out of having a permenant pet because that would mean more than a band aid and it is painfully obvious by their actions that the band aid approach is the preferred method of handling anything in this game. As Jon Sharp said on a STOG it is all about shifting preception… which means it is easier to change peoples views of something than actually fixing anything. What makes me think this is really going down hill is that the Devs said that the zerker nerf is the first step in pve changes… and if that is the road they are going down it’s a one way street in the wrong direction.

So, yeah, “amazing” means something totally different to me than it does the Devs.

Really amazing thing for me would be fixing Ranger class so that it’s actually RANGE. Mdps is good for mdps classes.

Amazing things for ranger: We will now delete the ranger class.

JK

In any case, I hope they actually keep their promises this time and repair the darn pet AI.

I remember being pretty amazed that fixing a visual glitch on shortbow somehow nerfed its damage considerably.

Making the pet AI more responsive and functioning would be amazing, but thats more like a bug fix.

Amazing to me would be:

- a revamp of the trait lines (to add more synergy since with many changes some things no longer make sense – ie martial mastery in condition damage line),

- revamp traps (better mechanic than just being inferior necro marks),

- pet mechanic revamp (my idea – option for spirit pet – passive only pet that gives a passive buff),

or something involving a greater synergy with the pet that doesnt involve its AI (actually become pet for a duration, pet gets limited block ability on passive, mode for pet fights side by side and doesnt skip a beat with its attacks, that kind of thing).

Ranger only needs 2 things.
1)Ability to stow pet permanently and buff the ranger instead of the stupid lousy ai pet.
2)Some form of stability not on an elite with a long cooldown and not needing 30 trait points for a gm trait you don’t want. Then still have to use a utility to get that stability.

Here’s your amazing change:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-January-21-2014/first#post3527280

Surprise surprise, its nothing (either that or the canges got lost in copy paste).

They never said that the balance would be in THIS patch.
On this patch they only made bug fixes in the skills, among the next 3 patches we’ll have the balance one.

Those folks (like one above) who say Ranger is for Range. I don’t see it that way. I see it as in the term range to describe a large area (cattle range etc). It is someone who lives off the land and utilises it to his advantage. A survivalist, or outdoorsman.

I can’t see them ever giving us longer than 1500 range (which we can trait for), and the engineer, mesmer and several other classes can match that. There’s no point asking for more.

For me: sword NEEDS fixing so it allows us to dodge. Rooting is not the issue, it is a chain-of-command thing that will not allow us to make a dodge action whilst another process is in operation. Pets need a power and HP or toughness buff plus a stowability. Maybe if we were able to ‘assign’ a universal upgrade (mark, talisman etc) to them, it would make them more worthwhile.

Other than that, I can’t see much wrong.

GuzziHero.2467:

Those folks (like one above) who say Ranger is for Range. I don’t see it that way. I see it as in the term range to describe a large area (cattle range etc). It is someone who lives off the land and utilises it to his advantage. A survivalist, or outdoorsman.

I can’t see them ever giving us longer than 1500 range (which we can trait for), and the engineer, mesmer and several other classes can match that. There’s no point asking for more.

I might have been too laconic in my post, please let me expand my point of view starting off with boring yet accurate quote:

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

Of course this does not mean that ranger is RDPS class only and you are right in saying that there’s more to them than obvious archetype.
However the current state of the game forces rangers to specialize in mdps tactics since range path is not viable at the moment. At the same time warriors and thiefs are doing great with their stick and string weapons – I’d like a class that should be first and foremost outstanding in range tactic to be able to dish out the same (if not noticeably more) amount of damage as, well, mdps classes.
Don’t you find it oddly ironic that you’d be better off playing long-range warrior or mid-range thief than any-range Ranger?

I’m not asking for extra range (Eagle Eye trait is good enough) nor for removing close combat traits and weapons. All I’m asking for is to fix long range dps and path for this supposedly famed for it class.

It’s not unreasonable, is it?

Or you know, instead of giving rangers two pets (seems silly to me), they can take the easy route and just do what every other freaking mmo does and give pets AoE resistance so they don’t die within seconds of a boss fight, becoming practically useless.

Seriously, if they just did this, half of Ranger problems would go away. Unfortunately, ranger pets use the same craptastic AI regular mobs use, so you can forget about them ever hitting that moving target. There are so many problems with pets, and if ANet’s “amazing changes” are just more trait/utility tweaks, they’ve yet again done diddly squat for the profession.

C’mon Anet. 90% resistance to AoE. How hard is it?

Amiron.1067:

Or you know, instead of giving rangers two pets (seems silly to me), they can take the easy route and just do what every other freaking mmo does and give pets AoE resistance so they don’t die within seconds of a boss fight, becoming practically useless.

Seriously, if they just did this, half of Ranger problems would go away. Unfortunately, ranger pets use the same craptastic AI regular mobs use, so you can forget about them ever hitting that moving target. There are so many problems with pets, and if ANet’s “amazing changes” are just more trait/utility tweaks, they’ve yet again done diddly squat for the profession.

C’mon Anet. 90% resistance to AoE. How hard is it?

Your right, that is half of the pet problems, the other half is the fact that our pets will not hit a moving target because it has to stop to do an animation before it attacks, so when the attack actually happens, the player you where attacking is not there anymore. This isn’t as much as a problem in PvE as it is in PvP and even worse in WvWvW. However, what are the chances of either of these two things being fixed? According to Anet’s description of the class, we are suppose to be a ranged pet class. It’s funny that a ‘designed’ pet ranged class has to resort to going into Melee combat in order to try and keep up with the DPS from other classes. It’s also funny how a Melee dps class, which was designed for melee dps such as warriors, can do more damage then ranger’s at range. They got the hole thing backwards.

Akisame.9508:

Amiron.1067:

Or you know, instead of giving rangers two pets (seems silly to me), they can take the easy route and just do what every other freaking mmo does and give pets AoE resistance so they don’t die within seconds of a boss fight, becoming practically useless.

Seriously, if they just did this, half of Ranger problems would go away. Unfortunately, ranger pets use the same craptastic AI regular mobs use, so you can forget about them ever hitting that moving target. There are so many problems with pets, and if ANet’s “amazing changes” are just more trait/utility tweaks, they’ve yet again done diddly squat for the profession.

C’mon Anet. 90% resistance to AoE. How hard is it?

Your right, that is half of the pet problems, the other half is the fact that our pets will not hit a moving target because it has to stop to do an animation before it attacks, so when the attack actually happens, the player you where attacking is not there anymore. This isn’t as much as a problem in PvE as it is in PvP and even worse in WvWvW. However, what are the chances of either of these two things being fixed? According to Anet’s description of the class, we are suppose to be a ranged pet class. It’s funny that a ‘designed’ pet ranged class has to resort to going into Melee combat in order to try and keep up with the DPS from other classes. It’s also funny how a Melee dps class, which was designed for melee dps such as warriors, can do more damage then ranger’s at range. They got the hole thing backwards.

It’s funny, is it not? It’s why my sylvari archer concept who wields Kudzu is a Warrior, not a Ranger. The damage is absurd on Warrior longbow.

And I agree. Pets need to be able to hit targets on the move, otherwise they’re still useless even if they can survive a nuclear blast.

Have any of you guys saying pets need a health and toughness buff for bosses even played PvE lately? Bears have kittening 50k HP, after that whole “pets have 75% more health” boosting thing and my fernhound I believe has like 34k or something ridiculous.

If your pet is dying it’s because YOU ARE IGNORING IT unless you’re using a bear with 30BM and 25pts in MB you can’t just hit F1 and forget about your pet.

You MUST call it back to get it out of aoes, or swap it/heal it if its health gets low, especially in PvP and WvW where their health is significantly smaller.

Durzlla.6295:

Have any of you guys saying pets need a health and toughness buff for bosses even played PvE lately? Bears have kittening 50k HP, after that whole “pets have 75% more health” boosting thing and my fernhound I believe has like 34k or something ridiculous.

If your pet is dying it’s because YOU ARE IGNORING IT unless you’re using a bear with 30BM and 25pts in MB you can’t just hit F1 and forget about your pet.

You MUST call it back to get it out of aoes, or swap it/heal it if its health gets low, especially in PvP and WvW where their health is significantly smaller.

And then your DPS decreases by 30% which puts you in a handicap compaired to all other professions. What other profession out there, especially in WvW, has to deal with a 30% handicap? Because that’s what happens when you pull your pet from battle or if your pet dies, has the same effect, your dealing 30% less damage. And now with the new gear out that 30% should be much higher of a handicap but we’ll keep at at 30% just for simplicity. Now answer my question, what other profession has to deal with a 30% dps handicap?

Please for the love of rangers anet let us permanently stow the pet. Change one of the trait lines like skirmishing into a all buffs for ranger only line.

Durzlla.6295:

You MUST call it back to get it out of aoes, or swap it/heal it if its health gets low, especially in PvP and WvW where their health is significantly smaller.

Which, like we talked about in the other thread, that is a viable way to use the pet if you’re at ranged like you like to play the Ranger, but that tactic is going to fall flat when in melee like how I like to play the Ranger… even when you #3 with the sword or lightning reflex then F3 as there’s just too much delay to use it.

thefantasticg.3984:

Durzlla.6295:

You MUST call it back to get it out of aoes, or swap it/heal it if its health gets low, especially in PvP and WvW where their health is significantly smaller.

Which, like we talked about in the other thread, that is a viable way to use the pet if you’re at ranged like you like to play the Ranger, but that tactic is going to fall flat when in melee like how I like to play the Ranger… even when you #3 with the sword or lightning reflex then F3 as there’s just too much delay to use it.

Totally valid if you’re Melee, most the people complaining about it though likely are trying to be the “stereotypical ranger” and use a bow and just can’t be bothered to hit F3.

They should make the pets “evade” when you hit F3 for a short period so you can at least have it dodge stuff better. I mean if it’s really too strong give them an “endurance bar” and if they would take a hit while you have them running back to you via F3 it drains a portion of it and they evade, then vigor would be useful for em and natural vigor could affect pet too shrugs.

Durzlla.6295:

They should make the pets “evade” when you hit F3 for a short period so you can at least have it dodge stuff better. I mean if it’s really too strong give them an “endurance bar” and if they would take a hit while you have them running back to you via F3 it drains a portion of it and they evade, then vigor would be useful for em and natural vigor could affect pet too shrugs.

I like this idea a lot.

Another thing to consider in regards to F3, is where they (Anet) positions the pet when we call them back. Perhaps they should be placed behind us, or at least a lot closer to us?

Durzlla.6295:

thefantasticg.3984:

Durzlla.6295:

You MUST call it back to get it out of aoes, or swap it/heal it if its health gets low, especially in PvP and WvW where their health is significantly smaller.

Which, like we talked about in the other thread, that is a viable way to use the pet if you’re at ranged like you like to play the Ranger, but that tactic is going to fall flat when in melee like how I like to play the Ranger… even when you #3 with the sword or lightning reflex then F3 as there’s just too much delay to use it.

Totally valid if you’re Melee, most the people complaining about it though likely are trying to be the “stereotypical ranger” and use a bow and just can’t be bothered to hit F3.

They should make the pets “evade” when you hit F3 for a short period so you can at least have it dodge stuff better. I mean if it’s really too strong give them an “endurance bar” and if they would take a hit while you have them running back to you via F3 it drains a portion of it and they evade, then vigor would be useful for em and natural vigor could affect pet too shrugs.

I would be happy if they just made the AI move the pet around traps and red circles unless there’s no other choice. I’m pretty careful with my pet and do call it back with F3. But most of my pet deaths are due to me hitting F3 and the pet walking right through a red circle or a trap.

The biggest facepalm pet death so far was at Tequatl. I was hit with one of those poison circles and busy getting myself out of it when the pet got hit by another poison circle. F3 and F4 are useless when you and the pet are both standing in a death circle. By some miracle I managed to get my character out and hit F4 to swap pets just before it died.

While I was busy congratulating myself for saving my pet, I forgot I had autoattack on. My character resumed firing her bow, and the fresh pet ran straight to Tequatl – right through the two poison circles I’d just escaped – and promptly died.

I want a semi-intelligent pet. Not a suicide bomber.

somehow I get the feeling that these “amazing things for rangers” will be like the “incredible new items in the gem store”.

tinfoil hat time…
I bet they introduce that “it’s just testing” monthly payment model with subscription perks before they do their balance and content patch so they can try to financially “lock in” as many (disappointed) players as they can from jumping ship this spring.