Guild Wars 2

urdriel.8496:

paleeshi.1924:

urdriel.8496:

Bambula.3649:

Wondrouswall.7169:

urdriel.8496:

PD:if your pet hit for 4-6k you MUST have a BM build and YOUR damage is laughable.

4-6k with a cat is easy to get with 0 in Beastmastery…

yeha 5 secs might on crit 30% more crit dmg, fortify bound and gg
0 points in bm

for wvw and pvp your right, power ranger builds are not so strong like other classes and the dmg is not so good

so, you are saying than your cat hit for 4-6k to lvl 80 bosses/mobs with 30%crit damage??pics pls.

Nature magic in a Damage build?

No, I think he meant the traits, 1 that gives might on crit and 2nd 30% more crit dmg to pets (Pet’s Prowess).

You need 15 points into Nature Magic to have Fortify Bond.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fortifying_Bond

Companion’s Might in Skirmisher…

Bambula.3649:

yeha 5 secs might on crit 30% more crit dmg, —→>fortify bound <<-——and gg
0 points in bm

for wvw and pvp your right, power ranger builds are not so strong like other classes and the dmg is not so good

Pls READ.

urdriel.8496:

4-6k with a cat is easy to get with 0 in Beastmastery…
so, you are saying than your cat hit for 4-6k to lvl 80 bosses/mobs with 30%crit damage??pics pls.

Nature magic in a Damage build?

Pve with a good team and then you’ll see it. Yes, Nature Magic in a damage build (20/25/0/25) because Fortifying Bond shares boons you get with your pet (no brainer – stack Might much?) and 5% damage increase for you and your pet when you have a boon. Add in good teams that also stack vulnerability and if you want, Sic ’Em. Again, not that hard to get a cat hitting for 4-6k with 0 in Beastmastery in Pve, even on bosses.

Wondrouswall.7169:

urdriel.8496:

4-6k with a cat is easy to get with 0 in Beastmastery…
so, you are saying than your cat hit for 4-6k to lvl 80 bosses/mobs with 30%crit damage??pics pls.

Nature magic in a Damage build?

Pve with a good team and then you’ll see it. Yes, Nature Magic in a damage build (20/25/0/25) because Fortifying Bond shares boons you get with your pet (no brainer – stack Might much?) and 5% damage increase for you and your pet when you have a boon. Add in good teams that also stack vulnerability and if you want, Sic ’Em. Again, not that hard to get a cat hitting for 4-6k with 0 in Beastmastery in Pve, even on bosses.

So, your cat hit for 4-6k due to your team or to your build?? i tried and you cant hit for 4-6k , you must have 25 stack of power+ 25 stack of weakness, and i really doubt that your pet hit for more than 4k.

A warrior/thief have more damage than you and your cat only with AA, a berserker ele have more damage and have more team support than ranger, and engi have more raw damage than ranger,a berserker mesmer have more damage than you with phantasm,kitten a berserker Guardian have more damage than ranger…. sry but, now, it is true that parties dont need rangers.

yoda: much to learn most people have ><

pet is perma at 25 stacks might and the vul can be get with one warri

ranger is nice for groups

Bambula.3649:

yoda: much to learn most people have ><

pet is perma at 25 stacks might and the vul can be get with one warri

ranger is nice for groups

sure….

Spotter, Frost Spirit, AoE revive for bad days, reflection, pull, buffing kitty, good damage – yea, I guess the ranger is pretty ok for a party. I prefer ranger + warrior over 2 warriors. It’s a huge damage increase.

Xyonon.3987:

Spotter, Frost Spirit, AoE revive for bad days, reflection, pull, buffing kitty, good damage – yea, I guess the ranger is pretty ok for a party. I prefer ranger + warrior over 2 warriors. It’s a huge damage increase.

2 warriors are better for party than 1 ranger + 1 warrior , in terms of damage.

And here we see a common “I just ignored passive damage in return of big fat numbers”.

Seriously, no they aren’t.

nope they are not

Xyonon.3987:

And here we see a common “I just ignored passive damage in return of big fat numbers”.

Seriously, no they aren’t.

a damage CANT be passive, perhaps a buff.

and sry if you are playing a different Game but now, in GW2, PVE is a DPS Race.

urdriel.8496:

Xyonon.3987:

And here we see a common “I just ignored passive damage in return of big fat numbers”.

Seriously, no they aren’t.

a damage CANT be passive, perhaps a buff.

and sry if you are playing a different Game but now, in GW2, PVE is a DPS Race.

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I’ll make an easy example for you:

Team A:
3 randoms with a dps of 5’000, a warrior with a dps of 7’000 and a ranger with a a dps of 5’000. This team has a DpS of 27’000.

Team B:
3 randoms with a dps of 5’000, two warriors with a dps of 7’000. This team has a DpS of 29’000.

But the adventage of Team A is that they got a ranger, wich can create a frost spirit and spotter for about +10% damage. So his team now has a DpS of 29’700 due the Rangers PASSIVE DAMAGE.

My god … even if it’s just a silly example, how can you say “passive damage does not exist” … It’s what the game counts on: might, vlunerability, aoe % dmg and crit buffs in general, time warp, aegis and heals for not having to dodge or recover to deal more damage etc etc etc.

I beleve you are a main warrior yourself, aren’t you?

urdriel.8496:

So, your cat hit for 4-6k due to your team or to your build?? i tried and you cant hit for 4-6k , you must have 25 stack of power+ 25 stack of weakness, and i really doubt that your pet hit for more than 4k.

It’s a combination of the team composition, build, and utilities. 25 stacks of might and vulnerability on a target is easy with good groups and good compositions. Again, 4-6k cat hits are obtainable. Play with a good team and the numbers will present itself. You alone won’t be able to see those numbers in a sub-par group, the same way Warriors are not able to score high on 100b in a bad group that can’t stack buffs & debuffs to save their life.

Xyonon.3987:

urdriel.8496:

Xyonon.3987:

And here we see a common “I just ignored passive damage in return of big fat numbers”.

Seriously, no they aren’t.

a damage CANT be passive, perhaps a buff.

and sry if you are playing a different Game but now, in GW2, PVE is a DPS Race.

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I’ll make an easy example for you:

Team A:
3 randoms with a dps of 5’000, a warrior with a dps of 7’000 and a ranger with a a dps of 5’000. This team has a DpS of 27’000.

Team B:
3 randoms with a dps of 5’000, two warriors with a dps of 7’000. This team has a DpS of 29’000.

But the adventage of Team A is that they got a ranger, wich can create a frost spirit and spotter for about +10% damage. So his team now has a DpS of 29’700 due the Rangers PASSIVE DAMAGE.

My god … even if it’s just a silly example, how can you say “passive damage does not exist” … It’s what the game counts on: might, vlunerability, aoe % dmg and crit buffs in general, time warp, aegis and heals for not having to dodge or recover to deal more damage etc etc etc.

I beleve you are a main warrior yourself, aren’t you?

A DAMAGE CANT BE PASSIVE, youa re buffing them with damage.

And dude, you can cry high and loud but 2 warriors with axe and greatsword have more damage than 2 or 3 ranger with your “passive” buffs, tbh perhaps only with axe AA 2 warriors have more dps than 2 o 3 rangers….

And my main is ranger, but im not blind, i can see that ranger need more buffs, im lvl 50 fractals with ranger, i did all the content with ranger, i play spvp and WvW ranger, but i know that ranger class is UP.

Cutie, you are the one who’s crying, not me.

2 warriors deal more damage than 2 rangers, yes. And since you’ve made this comparison I know you don’t get what I was talking about -> passive damage…

Even if your main is a ranger and you have been at fotm 50 (I am too, it’s nothing to boast with) or pvp / wvw wich has nothing to do with pve damage setups … it just seems that you have played the ranger “wrong” or have been blindfolded by the invisible part you do. Ranger UP … no.

Read my post again and think about it once more, maybe you’ll get it sometime.

greez

Xyonon.3987:

Cutie, you are the one who’s crying, not me.

2 warriors deal more damage than 2 rangers, yes. And since you’ve made this comparison I know you don’t get what I was talking about -> passive damage…

Even if your main is a ranger and you have been at fotm 50 (I am too, it’s nothing to boast with) or pvp / wvw wich has nothing to do with pve damage setups … it just seems that you have played the ranger “wrong” or have been blindfolded by the invisible part you do. Ranger UP … no.

Read my post again and think about it once more, maybe you’ll get it sometime.

greez

xDD no, i cant get it because you are wrong, in term of PVE dps ranger is WORST than warrior with or without buff, if you cant see it ok, but it is a fact, but sure you are right and ALL PEOPLE IS STUPID FOR CHOOSE WARRIORS OVER RANGERS when they want to run dungeons.

It’s really hard to stay calm while talking to somone such short minded like you … I’ll say it a last time, in baby language, idc if you finally get it or not:

Warrior damage = bambam by weapon + bannerbuffs
Ranger damage = less bambam by weapon + spirit / spotter

Warrior damage > Ranger damage

Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Warrior = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners.
Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Ranger = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners + 1x spirit / spotter.

1x spirit / spotter > the differene of the warrior bambam and the ranger bambam.

Do – you – under – stand – now? O.O

ranger can do decent ranged dps compared to other classes ranged dps. The problem is that ranged dps is nowhere near melee dps in this game.

Xyonon.3987:

It’s really hard to stay calm while talking to somone such short minded like you … I’ll say it a last time, in baby language, idc if you finally get it or not:

Warrior damage = bambam by weapon + bannerbuffs
Ranger damage = less bambam by weapon + spirit / spotter

Warrior damage > Ranger damage

Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Warrior = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners.
Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Ranger = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners + 1x spirit / spotter.

1x spirit / spotter > the differene of the warrior bambam and the ranger bambam.

Do – you – under – stand – now? O.O

You know that Warriors SKill have better Coef than ranger skills no?? you can hit for 35k+ easy with a 100b , a ranger CANT hit for that amount.

GS and axe + (insert here any weapon) warrior is probably the best dps in the game, 2 Warrior can out dps 1 warrior + 1 ranger and perhaps 1 warrior + 2 rangers, sad, but true.

Chokolata.1870:

ranger can do decent ranged dps compared to other classes ranged dps. The problem is that ranged dps is nowhere near melee dps in this game.

<——THIS

it is hard to understand that ranger damage is bad??other classes have more damage to offer, so, in a dps run like GW2 you will chosee pure dps classes

Just gonna leave this here. This was without Sic ’Em and with a 30/25/0/15 build. I missed out on 45% worth of damage modifiers for my cat. QQ

urdriel.8496:

Xyonon.3987:

It’s really hard to stay calm while talking to somone such short minded like you … I’ll say it a last time, in baby language, idc if you finally get it or not:

Warrior damage = bambam by weapon + bannerbuffs
Ranger damage = less bambam by weapon + spirit / spotter

Warrior damage > Ranger damage

Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Warrior = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners.
Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Ranger = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners + 1x spirit / spotter.

1x spirit / spotter > the differene of the warrior bambam and the ranger bambam.

Do – you – under – stand – now? O.O

You know that Warriors SKill have better Coef than ranger skills no?? you can hit for 35k+ easy with a 100b , a ranger CANT hit for that amount.

GS and axe + (insert here any weapon) warrior is probably the best dps in the game, 2 Warrior can out dps 1 warrior + 1 ranger and perhaps 1 warrior + 2 rangers, sad, but true.

Chokolata.1870:

ranger can do decent ranged dps compared to other classes ranged dps. The problem is that ranged dps is nowhere near melee dps in this game.

<——THIS

it is hard to understand that ranger damage is bad??other classes have more damage to offer, so, in a dps run like GW2 you will chosee pure dps classes

1 – You clearly don’t even understand what DPS means. Saying things like “you can hit for 35k+ easy with a 100b , a ranger CANT hit for that amount.” or “2 Warrior can out dps 1 warrior + 1 ranger and perhaps 1 warrior + 2 rangers” proves that. The 100b skill has 3 1/2sec cast time, we can do that damage in half that time without quickness or party support.

2 – Also the highest dps build for a ranger doesn’t use spotter/frost spirit/warhorn, so if you have two rangers, there’s no need for both to use that build…

3 – If you’re dpsing with ranger using 20/25/0/25/0 you’re doing it wrong.

4 – There’s no dps meter ingame and any statement that ranger has no place in a dps race using the right builds is false, you can’t prove that without several videos with 5 skilled players using different classes.

Wondrouswall.7169:

Just gonna leave this here. This was without Sic ’Em and with a 30/25/0/15 build. I missed out on 45% worth of damage modifiers for my cat. QQ

between 4k-6k is 4k?? , and you need all your utilities ?? to hit for 4k 2-3 times each 45/60 sec? 14 k if we sum your damage(axe #5(4sec cast)) and the damage of your cat—>1eviscerate,1/4 100b and you have all your utilities in cd and you think we are in a good position

apocalypso.4895:

urdriel.8496:

Xyonon.3987:

It’s really hard to stay calm while talking to somone such short minded like you … I’ll say it a last time, in baby language, idc if you finally get it or not:

Warrior damage = bambam by weapon + bannerbuffs
Ranger damage = less bambam by weapon + spirit / spotter

Warrior damage > Ranger damage

Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Warrior = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners.
Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Ranger = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners + 1x spirit / spotter.

1x spirit / spotter > the differene of the warrior bambam and the ranger bambam.

Do – you – under – stand – now? O.O

You know that Warriors SKill have better Coef than ranger skills no?? you can hit for 35k+ easy with a 100b , a ranger CANT hit for that amount.

GS and axe + (insert here any weapon) warrior is probably the best dps in the game, 2 Warrior can out dps 1 warrior + 1 ranger and perhaps 1 warrior + 2 rangers, sad, but true.

Chokolata.1870:

ranger can do decent ranged dps compared to other classes ranged dps. The problem is that ranged dps is nowhere near melee dps in this game.

<——THIS

it is hard to understand that ranger damage is bad??other classes have more damage to offer, so, in a dps run like GW2 you will chosee pure dps classes

1 – You clearly don’t even understand what DPS means. Saying things like “you can hit for 35k+ easy with a 100b , a ranger CANT hit for that amount.” or “2 Warrior can out dps 1 warrior + 1 ranger and perhaps 1 warrior + 2 rangers” proves that. The 100b skill has 3 1/2sec cast time, we can do that damage in half that time without quickness or party support.

2 – Also the highest dps build for a ranger doesn’t use spotter/frost spirit/warhorn, so if you have two rangers, there’s no need for both to use that build…

3 – If you’re dpsing with ranger using 20/25/0/25/0 you’re doing it wrong.

4 – There’s no dps meter ingame and any statement that ranger has no place in a dps race using the right builds is false, you can’t prove that without several videos with 5 skilled players using different classes.

ofc, dps is a really hard to understand formula, damage/time.

30/30/0/10/0 with sword+horn.

what you cant understand is that the REAL dps of rangers are under the average, you need a loot of skills and a lot of traits only to have a medium burst in your damage compared to other classes that can outdps you only with 1 skill, it is sad, but you say “ranger is good ,we dont need nothing ,we are perfect as we are now”.

urdriel.8496:

between 4k-6k is 4k?? , and you need all your utilities ?? to hit for 4k 2-3 times each 45/60 sec? 14 k if we sum your damage(axe #5(4sec cast)) and the damage of your cat—>1eviscerate,1/4 100b and you have all your utilities in cd and you think we are in a good position

You’re missing out on some obvious things about that screenshot that addressed a few things. You asked for a pic since you didn’t believe cats can hit 4-6k without points invested into Beastmastery. Image shows otherwise and this was by myself, not in a group setting as I stated in previous posts.

Of course I use my utilities because they are there to be used. Why I even need to type that out to you is beyond me but apparently utilities are cute icons so clicking on them is bad. Shame on me! Also, note the cat hit the mark after Quickening Zephyr was used and Signet of the Hunt. You say you play a Ranger so I’ll let you figure out why I would use those with a 30/25 build to kill something faster. Can’t give you all the answers, otherwise things might blow up. Safety first!

Note that on those 2 videos linked, Arah mobs have low armor, was a good 100b nonetheless. The second video of warrior killing the Giant also burned all his utilities and here’s a link with a Ranger killing the same Vet Giant in 7 seconds. One last thing, check my previous post for where I said that I think Rangers are in a good place.

That vid must be hurting a warriors hearth pretty much right now

The thing is dps testing against that vet risen giant isn’t the best representation of what someone can get in a party setting. But since it’s readily available to use it’s not bad either. Go figure how this changes topics like it always does in the Ranger sub to bringing Warriors into the picture.

Edit: Nah. Warriors have nothing to be hurt about. If any class are in a good place right now it’s them. I also believe a warrior holds the 2nd fastest Lupi solo. Ranger Lupi solo on the other hand… Haha… Ugh, could almost cry thinking about practicing that fight with a sword.

IMO Yes, ranger can do “decent” ranged damage. The reality, it depends on what you’re doing. If you’re in pvp, targets don’t often stand at 900+ range and duel you, they usually get in your face and mess you up. In wvw, you can hit the backline and do some good dps, in pve you can have your pet agro while you hit from range which does melee dps from range with LB.

Ranger is reliable in PvP and WvW roaming.

As far as PvE, there is a place for the ranger in the current meta. A ranger is superior to a second warrior in a 5 man organized team because the class brings unique buffs, spotter and frost spirit.

if people talk about a cat doing 4-6k i understand that your cat hit for that amount ALWAYS, not 3 times each 60 seconds..

same for the video of the ther ranger, after killing the veteran he have normal damage, a waarrior have a high damage without using utilities .

People use warrior over all other classes because have the best burst and the best sustained damage + heavy armor+ high hp pool.

and , omg, 3 random +2 warriors and 3 random +1warrior +1ranger, it is clear than the 2 warrior party have more dps…..

Tozen.9814:

I have a level 80 Thief but have been trying to level up a Ranger lately. I’m level 56, but so far am finding that all of my ranged damage options are pretty lackluster. That’s when I compare it to the huge damage I can put out on my Thief with Dual Pistols, and I know that even that gets laughed at in regards to serious damage.

Axes and shortbow seem geared towards condition damage, which is still pretty mediocre. Longbow damage feels slightly weaker than using plain auto-attack on my thief pistol. =P

Does it get better? I’m running sword or GS pretty much all the time these days, but there are many difficult opponents to fight where ranged damage would be useful. Is stacking power, precision, and crit the way to go?

Yes, the damage gets better, but it depends on what you are trying to do. LB works nicely in dungeons if you stay about 6-8 ft behind melee. If you are looking for easyish content and want high numbers put everything into damage 30/30/10/0/0 and put on a zerker GS and LB. Big numbers for chopping stuff down fast.

Harder content requires more thought. Ranger works nicely in fractals 50 with LB and axe/Warhorn. You can use sword Warhorn for some of the squishier opponents. Think more celestial than zerker. Mix the two. I keep crit damage at 100/110 with LB and axe. Base precision at 50. With food sigil and horn/moa you can perma fury yourself and team. With banner warrior you will have 100% crit chance. Things die fast.

Chokolata.1870:

Ranger is reliable in PvP and WvW roaming.

As far as PvE, there is a place for the ranger in the current meta. A ranger is superior to a second warrior in a 5 man organized team because the class brings unique buffs, spotter and frost spirit.

Yeah, and you can almost perma fury your team with moa and Warhorn. Might roar helps team might get closer to 25 as well. Guardians mostly run knights for difficult dungeons, so a banner warrior and ranger can get their crit chance to 100%, while allowing them to take much of the aggro and tank a bit. Guardians benefit greatly from crit chance in current meta so the three make Alan excellent combination. Just stay close!

urdriel.8496:

Xyonon.3987:

Spotter, Frost Spirit, AoE revive for bad days, reflection, pull, buffing kitty, good damage – yea, I guess the ranger is pretty ok for a party. I prefer ranger + warrior over 2 warriors. It’s a huge damage increase.

2 warriors are better for party than 1 ranger + 1 warrior , in terms of damage.

Similar classes stack poorly. Give me two different anything over two of the same please. Except for high level fractals, there I like 2 guardians and No zerkanoobs.

I can´t believe it. Some people still think that warrior dps is high xD.

100B…. do u know that Axe AA > 100B? GS is only “viable” for the evade and mightstacking via traits. If u´re fullbuffed (25 might) 30/25/0/10/5 pure Axe/Mace is max dps for warriors.

1 Warrior for banners, not more are needed in a organized group.

Back to our class.

Rangers are ok in PvE, sword + Cat does ~ warrior dps (if the cat is alive and attacking, both with same buffs).
And we have some unique buffs. Our problems are the sword (not useable vs all bosses because u have to stay at max melee range in some fights). And the dying pet. This means usually warrior dps is a bit higher then rangers.
OK, but we have our Buffs.

Range DPS is never better then or equal to meleedps in GW2.
Ele Staff can do 16,8k dps under perfect circumstances. Lighning hammer 16,2k if my numbers are correct. But in 99,9% of all situations the LH will do more dps (and support).

All other classes have no “decent dmg” ranged weapon. Grenades are ok, but melee engineer is better.

@Archon, u rly made my day.

Honestly the only ridiculous ranged damage in the game is staff ele. If I run full zerker ele in wvw (which isn’t that bad to survive with if your positioning is good, fire 4 staff OP) I can crit 15k+ meteor storms consistently and auto attack has crit as high as 8k for me (which has a pretty good aoe radius). With that being said staff ele is the only legitimate ranged dps spec in the game and anything else that is worth mentioning is melee. Scepter/x for ele is really only good with a lightning hammer build, which isnt exactly ideal for wvw.

With that being said while rangers might not have top notch dps with LB, it is an incredibly good weapon for pvp nonetheless. I usually run s/d lb while roaming (evade mode) or gs/lb in a zerg and I honestly feel more tanky than my warrior. It is not hard to put together a set with 3.2k+ power, 3k+ armor, ~40-50% crit and ~70% crit dmg 20k hp (no guard stacks). This is not bad at all for zerging and will give you good survivability along with decent damage.

LB isn’t for monster zomg damage omg I just killed an entire zerg solo. What it does have is good ranged pressure (1 at max range, 2 otherwise) and very good utility skills in 3, 4 and 5. I can’t count the number of downs I’ve gotten in a zerg by dodge rolling to a downed target, LB 3, stealth finish, gs 3 out, gs 4 to block ranged attacks. The biggest issue with rangers is 1. pet AI, and 2. pet survivability. Couple this with the fact that rangers are not easy to play and people say they suck.

At the end of the day play whatever you want. Would I love it if rangers got buffed? Hell yeah. Do I think they suck, absolutely not. I love playing my ranger in wvw as much as my ele, a lot. Happy hunting if you do choose ranger.

Archon.6480:

urdriel.8496:

Xyonon.3987:

Spotter, Frost Spirit, AoE revive for bad days, reflection, pull, buffing kitty, good damage – yea, I guess the ranger is pretty ok for a party. I prefer ranger + warrior over 2 warriors. It’s a huge damage increase.

2 warriors are better for party than 1 ranger + 1 warrior , in terms of damage.

Similar classes stack poorly. Give me two different anything over two of the same please. Except for high level fractals, there I like 2 guardians and No zerkanoobs.

zerkanoob?? the best gear to made high level fractals is berserker if they know how to play the class, you will die from 1-2-3 hits anyway with 3000 def or with 1500…

Thats why he doesn’t want zerker – noobs …

The three best ways of being useless in lvl 40+ fotm.

1. stay at range
2. play tanky
3. do no dps/support while staying ranged

Axe mainhand is just horribel in PvE, probably the worst weapon ingame. LB….only if u have to stay at 900+ range anyway. If your party is just doing melee/close ranged combat (Fireshaman for example) the shortbow is better.

Norjena.5172:

Range DPS is never better then or equal to meleedps in GW2.

- I should hope so! What if that dagger thief would do their burst but at range without risking anything? What if melee guys with their cleaving skills would just hit everything on top of keep walls while standing on bottom of it?

Range is a huge advantage. Warfare has been for ages about increasing range. Airplanes are powerful because they can reach far-away targets. So are intercontinental missiles. If one army can outrange the other that army is going to dominate battlefield.

Rangers have the longest range in the whole game at 1,500. If that range was 1,200 or something it would be quite mediocre profession indeed. Area of a circle with 1,500 radius is 56% bigger than area of circle with 1,200 radius. What does that mean? Rangers have a lot better effective dps than most professions because there’s more targets to attack. Go test thief shortbow. Sure it’s nice damage when you’re standing right next to enemies but if they’re far away you won’t see damage numbers but “out of range” messages instead. Kills are hard to get because enemies move out of your range. Once a ranger locks in target, that target is almost guaranteed to go down.

Zenith.6403:

Norjena.5172:

Range DPS is never better then or equal to meleedps in GW2.

- I should hope so! What if that dagger thief would do their burst but at range without risking anything? What if melee guys with their cleaving skills would just hit everything on top of keep walls while standing on bottom of it?

Range is a huge advantage. Warfare has been for ages about increasing range. Airplanes are powerful because they can reach far-away targets. So are intercontinental missiles. If one army can outrange the other that army is going to dominate battlefield.

Rangers have the longest range in the whole game at 1,500. If that range was 1,200 or something it would be quite mediocre profession indeed. Area of a circle with 1,500 radius is 56% bigger than area of circle with 1,200 radius. What does that mean? Rangers have a lot better effective dps than most professions because there’s more targets to attack. Go test thief shortbow. Sure it’s nice damage when you’re standing right next to enemies but if they’re far away you won’t see damage numbers but “out of range” messages instead. Kills are hard to get because enemies move out of your range. Once a ranger locks in target, that target is almost guaranteed to go down.

with your logic ,we are a paper plane with water bombs.

the difference between 1200 and 1500 is a roll…

thief can spam skills.

all clases have a long range gap closer.

Is your last phrase ironic??

urdriel.8496:

with your logic ,we are a paper plane with water bombs.

- How much do you think the difference in damage is between, say, greatsword warrior and longbow ranger? Warrior deals more damage, but how much more? I’m talking just autoattacks here.

why this class is called RANGER?
Until now what i have seen the only good dmg that “rangers” do is with melee weapons.

Then for the love of god, change the name of this class to hunters or small rangers, because until now LB and SB really sucks. The main weapons by definition on a ranger sucks big time.

tigru.6085:

why this class is called RANGER?
Until now what i have seen the only good dmg that “rangers” do is with melee weapons.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ranger
rang·er
n.
1. A wanderer; a rover.
2. A member of an armed troop employed in patrolling a specific region.
3. Ranger A member of a group of U.S. soldiers specially trained for making raids either on foot, in ground vehicles, or by airlift.
4.
a. A warden employed to maintain and protect a natural area, such as a forest or park.
b. Chiefly British The keeper of a royal forest or park.

Zenith.6403:

tigru.6085:

why this class is called RANGER?
Until now what i have seen the only good dmg that “rangers” do is with melee weapons.

rang·er
n.
1. A wanderer; a rover.
2. A member of an armed troop employed in patrolling a specific region.
3. Ranger A member of a group of U.S. soldiers specially trained for making raids either on foot, in ground vehicles, or by airlift.
4.
a. A warden employed to maintain and protect a natural area, such as a forest or park.
b. Chiefly British The keeper of a royal forest or park.

Perfect, then by definition we are a car or something like a door keeper. cool

Zenith.6403:

urdriel.8496:

with your logic ,we are a paper plane with water bombs.

- How much do you think the difference in damage is between, say, greatsword warrior and longbow ranger? Warrior deals more damage, but how much more? I’m talking just autoattacks here.

funny, just autoattacks?? you can hit 3k-4k with warrior greatsword if you have a berserker build , but if you use LB at melee distance……..

urdriel.8496:

Xyonon.3987:

It’s really hard to stay calm while talking to somone such short minded like you … I’ll say it a last time, in baby language, idc if you finally get it or not:

Warrior damage = bambam by weapon + bannerbuffs
Ranger damage = less bambam by weapon + spirit / spotter

Warrior damage > Ranger damage

Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Warrior = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners.
Party with 3 what-ever’s + Warrior + Ranger = 3x pengpeng + 2x bambam + 1x banners + 1x spirit / spotter.

1x spirit / spotter > the differene of the warrior bambam and the ranger bambam.

Do – you – under – stand – now? O.O

You know that Warriors SKill have better Coef than ranger skills no?? you can hit for 35k+ easy with a 100b , a ranger CANT hit for that amount.

GS and axe + (insert here any weapon) warrior is probably the best dps in the game, 2 Warrior can out dps 1 warrior + 1 ranger and perhaps 1 warrior + 2 rangers, sad, but true.

Chokolata.1870:

ranger can do decent ranged dps compared to other classes ranged dps. The problem is that ranged dps is nowhere near melee dps in this game.

<——THIS

it is hard to understand that ranger damage is bad??other classes have more damage to offer, so, in a dps run like GW2 you will chosee pure dps classes

Urdriel i do not know how you managed to screw up this bad with your ranger, but you are clearly doing not just something wrong, but everything wrong.
Disregarding pet DPS when comparing ranger to warrior, yes then warrior do more DPS. But in PvE, pets hit very reliably, thus you cannot do the comparison you do. Because you are obviously comparing warrior PvE damage with Ranger WvW performance. Two different modes, two different settings, and a whole world of difference in terms of pets.

Seriously man, you should know that rangers are among the top tier dungeon professions (god knows how, i dont do dungeons), they are top tier open world PvE, low/top tier WvW (depends if zerging or roaming), top tier sPvP and last but not least, the most underestimated profession in existence.

Even if you spent merely an hour playing with an build editor, you’d see that ranger damage itself is just below a warrior in most builds, factor in the pet and that DPS is often slightly higher then a warriors. however since warrior traitlines differ from ranger traitlines, warriors got more facetank ability in their “glass” builds, while rangers are thoroughly glassy all around.

Zenith.6403:

Are the people on this forums ****ing stupid or something?

no, but most of these people are just plainly denying that rangers are better then anyone at anything.

Take a player named Straegen, he stubbornly refuses to believe that rangers can have more then 350hp/s more passive regen then warriors. Yet i can prove it with math.

Urdriel here refuses to believe that spending a little time to learn how to play will grant you raw damage. Tell you want Urdriel, pick up my Beast Cannon build, its a PvE burst build, see how much damage you can do within 8 seconds at full speed sword + pet AA, and compare to a warrior with it’s best DPS setup. I think you may be in for a shock.

And there is a plethora of others too that still believe that rangers are rubbish regardless of evidence provided to them. I swear, some people are so dense that it simply is impossible to make them understand.
Then again, a lot of people still stubbornly refuses that the holocaust ever happened back during WWII, so yeah, go figure.

Zenith.6403:

tigru.6085:

why this class is called RANGER?
Until now what i have seen the only good dmg that “rangers” do is with melee weapons.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ranger
rang·er
n.
1. A wanderer; a rover.
2. A member of an armed troop employed in patrolling a specific region.
3. Ranger A member of a group of U.S. soldiers specially trained for making raids either on foot, in ground vehicles, or by airlift.
4.
a. A warden employed to maintain and protect a natural area, such as a forest or park.
b. Chiefly British The keeper of a royal forest or park.

Anet defines the gw2 ranger class as (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/):

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

I made sure Anet was advertising their rangers as range-ers before I rolled one.

kiwituatara.6053:

Anet defines the gw2 ranger class as (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/):

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

I made sure Anet was advertising their rangers as range-ers before I rolled one.

That statement is not entirely true. For that particular phrase to be true, LB or SB should be rangers main weapon, not swords or warhorn.

Prysin.8542:

Tell you want Urdriel, pick up my Beast Cannon build, its a PvE burst build, see how much damage you can do within 8 seconds at full speed sword + pet AA, and compare to a warrior with it’s best DPS setup. I think you may be in for a shock.

Can you link it, please? Don’t think it was posted in this thread.

kiwituatara.6053:

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

I made sure Anet was advertising their rangers as range-ers before I rolled one.

That’s called marketing, and everyone believes it like it was the bible itself